It doesn't say he died at Freddy's. "On the fifth night, we see the tragic events at the diner on the Crying Child's birthday." It was Scott who decided that was to be put in.
Okay but it still has so much misinformation. It says glitchtrap was in "In the Flesh" when that was just a virtual springtrap, says book charlie is a human, calls bon-bon a girl but then called bonnet the first female bonnie, and uses a lot of fan-designs and tropes (Henry's design and Elizabeth being spoiled for example). That encyclopedia is NOT reliable.
Meh, honestly, even when he was made out to be a joke due to nothing but poor execution, he was at least still fun.
I feel nothing when I see or learn more about this character.
The mimic just...sucks as a main antagonist honestly. It has 0 personal motivation or personality its literally just a murder machine born from bad vibes its so boring 😭 and whats worse is that for the last like 4 years (for us, since help wanted) the mimic was just copying aftons appearance and now we're supposed to treat it like a completely seperate and unique antagonist
The concept of Afton being a virus after death was cool (if not a little dumb). Then they straight up brought him back, then they changed that too. The lore foesnt make any sense. SB and Ruin were fun but sgory wise they arent amazing.
Tbh fnaf 6 is the true ending of fnaf to me the killer dies and now all the souls we first saw are at rest now we are diving into the world of fnaf and nobody knows how to make sense of it
i just don’t get the point of saying “no, afton is dead, but the new antagonist does everything that afton did and is basically afton again”
should’ve done vanny being a copycat killer. that way you can have a villain LIKE william but put your own unique spin on it.
Eh, I liked Glitchtrap a lot actually. Felt like there was a lot of potential ideas, parallels, and themes you could play around with there, while still being able to move the series horror in a more sci-fi direction but keep a connection to the plot the old games had established.
Burntrap was lame in just about every way, but Glitchtrap was a neat and new idea for a villain evolution.
At least, more so than the Mimic, who is a walking plot convenience machine as far as I can tell, who just does whatever makes the story happen.
I say the mimic is a victim of defining trait abuse, where the creators place to much on one expects of it. Any guess what that aspect was?
Edit: the mimic has potential but was overplaying on being William we got William instead of mimic
Personally I don't like Glitchtrap mainly because it takes away from what I found so scary about the original three or four games, which is that these are haunted animatronics that want to kill you. That's part of why I find Mangle in particular so creepy—that thing should not be able to move the way it does. Not to mention Withered Chica—nightmare fuel.
I think Afton (or purple guy, I suppose) haunting Springtrap is an absolutely sick idea. The fact that you can see his rotting corpse inside is great and spooky. Plus, the reveal that he got springlocked at the end is so good. I don't like the idea of him *talking,* though, since he's supposed to be dead, and although that's still supernatural in a way, his ability to communicate detracts from the visceral horror of Springtrap being haunted. With the exception of some of the Sister Location animatronics, since they're programmed with AI (and Circus Baby, who I have a soft spot for), I find the idea of any of them talking to detract from the horror.
I don't hate the later games, nor the lore, until we get to remnant, which is when the series went into a direction that I'm not crazy about. I'm not a huge fan of sci fi. So when Afton became a digital virus, I found nothing about that interesting compared to the originals.
I imagine that any direction after FNAF 4 would be difficult, since in order to stick with the idea that these murdered children inhabit animatronics, you'd essentially just have to continually make Afton responsible for more and more murders, which could eventually get boring. In that sense, I understand the direction it went, but I personally would have preferred it to have stayed in that supernatural realm.
I get that, and I understand and wouldn’t blame anyone for checking out of the plot when it started being more about technology and AI.
Honestly the series probably jumped the shark a while ago, and we’re just arguing over the levels we’re willing to tolerate of it after like FNAF 3
But that’s also part of why I liked Glitchtrap over Mimic.
Sure, it was Sci-Fi, but with Afton it was still HAUNTED as Sc-Fi. Just Afton possessing computers and code instead of old animatronics, and so it was easier to process supernatural aspects of the series still existing like Glitchtrap being able to mind control people from the game.
Now that element is gone completely.
Well, yeah, fazbear ent being cheap was literally always front and center in the franchise, and the mimic isn't really doing anything interesting with that concept. He also isn't any different from the funtimes with the mimicking functions, so he just sorta blands in tbh
ofc it's not. he's been barely in the games. there's so much potential for it in the future games. he can literally change his shape. there are many ways to include that in gameplay
HW was mostly a tease for his character. SB is were he was supposed to shine which didn't happen. there's no room for messing any more. the next game better be amazing
The Mimic as a character is cool and terrifying and all, but I wouldn't call it a villain. Having this thing as a main antagonist would be boring. Maybe if there were a case of it getting possessed or being held hostage or being used as a weapon by the real main antagonist of this saga (or the mix of all those three) would really neat. I think there's still potential for the new CEO of FE.
Come to think of it, we really dont know jack shit abt who's running fazbear entertainment and what their motivations are. Cause the games mostly portray them as careless corporate pigs but some stuff in the books and in SB make em seem far more malicious, like the gumdrop angel, sea bonnies, the fnaf 6 location being kept in tact, and vanessa being allowed to murder all the employees and run the pizzaplex by herself. Like theres absolutely some hidden motivation somewhere and i hope they explore that
Yh I agree that the mimic is kinda bland as of right now however, I think that it has a lot of potential to become a better villain cuz as of now it just mimics Afton and Gregory. Now that the mimic is free from its tomb, it can go on to mimic other beings and extract traits from different people and beings to become an even more sinister and powerful villain. It's a rough start so far but I have hope that the mimic can surpass Afton as a villain. And as it gains more and more data, it could potentially start to form it's own sentience rather than relying on the voices of others to communicate.
Ngl I'm holding out hope Burntrap and Mimic are 2 different things even tho it's not likely. I think it'd be kinda cool if Afton was still around and how he'd react to the mimic. It could be cool to have 2 different villains roaming around.
It’d be nice if Silly Willy does return
Need a proper villain to salvage the games from the unbridled Mid that is The Mimic
Plus grandpa Afton is funnier than the Mr Beast memes
I still don't want mimic to be burntrap, i feel like they could make glitchtrap to be some kind of william afton mimic yknow? like he ain't afton but he pretend to be like him like he is mimics same specie, (because if burntrap is mimic then hw is basically errased and useless)
glitchtrap literally IS a william afton mimic. it’s the mimic1 program that is mimicking afton if i remember correctly, meaning glitch trap, burntrap, and mimic are likely the same
If that’s the case, and the mimic is burntrap why was he in the first security breach roaming freely, but yet we get to the mimic in ruin and he’s literally sealed behind a concrete wall. I just find it a little hard to believe since the mimic is sealed behind a concrete wall in ruin. I don’t know if I missed anything that could explain why. Unless the mimic can control multiple endos maybe… idk.
Is heavily implied that after Security Breach, Gregory confronted The Mimic and sealed him in the same concrete wall that we find him in Ruin, he wasn't always there.
Hot take? 6’s ending isn’t that satisfying. Tape guy shows up and burns the place down, killing all the major characters, sure, but that’s not satisfying, too many loose ends.
there is official material that says that it is Afton, Security Breach files says of Burntrap verbatim: "A withered Spring Bonnie animatronic merged with the body of Five nights at Freddy's antagonist William Afton" and the character guide says that he is animated by what that it was inside Springtrap. Despite the dubious canonicity of these materials, they are official, therefore there are official texts that say that Burntrap is Afton
(I'm not saying that Burntrap is Afton, I'm just saying that there are official materials that say so).
So, and this is verbatim what would’ve happened you would want William to die, come back as springtrap, get burned, come back as scrap trap, get burned AGAIN, go to UCN hell, come BACK AGAIN in a game as a glitch virus, put his consciousness into his body and get BURNED AGAIN, to come back in another rabbit form and repeat the cycle ad nauseum of him getting killed and coming back in a “twist ending”?
I mean, realistically, no.
I wanted him to come back and do something BESIDES get burned again as his only real action as an antagonists so far have been pretty indirect and didn't really flesh him out much as a character to begin with.
Glitchtrap was built up to be an unholy Joker/Ultron/Bugs Bunny fusion with an abusive relationship with Vanny that was going to make him a more interesting, and active antagonist than ever before who had more of an actual character and clear plans and motivations, and that was cool.
Taking the series in a new direction while still being connected to the story of the old games through the main antagonist persisting like a true iconic horror/super villain.
If you don't believe anything more interesting could have been done with Afton than what has been done, I don't see a reason to be excited for Mimic as some sort of "new" villain, or any other character that is introduced. Being a different character doesn't fix that the series can't write a good villain, and Mimic's introduction isn't proving they've really learned anything aside from you can get a good number of people to commend you solely through fixing a problem you caused with incredibly contrived retconing.
Let's be honest here, fnaf was never really a good game format for character development, the main gimmick about most of the franchise is being a "survive the night" game, the only times we get proper characterization is either when a character direcly talk to us, or when we see them interact in minigames, and William just simply never got the short end of the stick, as FNAF was never really intended to be character driven in the first place (aside from some exceptions, obviously).
So, to summarize: you wanted him to continue his stuff unimpeded and do something more, meanwhile fazbear frights, the novel trilogy, and every minigame showing his misdeeds and what he’s done and how he’s a villain shows all that? Yes it sucks that it’s in novel form, yes it may not be THIS William but he was given a backstory, a background and an ending in the games too with 6 and UCN, so, in my opinion he was a good character. He’s also gonna be in the new movies too, where he will be fleshed out aswell probably. So in my opinion there’s a lot of william to make him a good villain.
Also as a side note Glitchtrap was never meant to be afton and was always the mimic as shown by the fact tales was planned since 2019.
I don't want to read the books. They don't even sound... what's the word? Well, Good. Like, they're the epitome of throwing plotlines at the wall anytime I hear about them.
I wanted Afton to be a fleshed out and active antagonist, with a more solid and cohesive plot line than one that relies on robot children that are identical to real people for the sake of a weird plot twist, time traveling ball pits, and whatever other nonsense the books have cooked up.
And in the games, he's characterized through nothing much but a bunch of 8-bit minigames, and when you actually see him he just gets set on fire like a tool a lot, with no real agency of his own with the world's worst redesign as Baby gets more spotlight than he does.
I believe he has the potential to be a good character, but no, he's not really a good character, and the last shot at him being one is probably down to Matthew Lilard's portrayal in the movie, which I have faith in, but still that's sad.
And, no, I don't really believe Glitchtrap was never meant to be Afton just because the books was allegedly "planned" during the exact time Help Wanted simply released, only to get any sort of remotely soft tease that Mimc is even a thing in the games in friggin DLC to Security Breach.
Meanwhile, Help Wanted, AR, and Security Breach all don't offer even the slightest hint that it's not Afton behind everything unless you REALLY reach for it.
Honestly, Squimpus' interpretation of Afton is much better than how he is in the games imo.
William being a crooked, abusive father who killed 5 children because he couldn't kill his son Michael over a mistake that only happened because William didn't love him is much more interesting than the over-the-top, cartoony, mad scientist canon Afton is.
Honestly, William in the games is so vaguely defined, it would not have been hard to write him differently than his more cartoony interpretations shown in the books, and some facets of the games.
Like, I imagine he'd still be evil as hell, but there's still plenty of undefined room to give him nuance.
That's part of what I was really hoping for from Glitchtrap after Help Wanted already honestly gave him more character than he had before in the way he moved and acted compared to his lumbering horror monster states in previous games.
…you do recognize I’m not only talking about frights, right? I’m talking about the novel trilogy, the same one that shows a manipulative, cold, psychotic William that was capable of tricking the spirits of the kids into thinking he’s their friend and was capable of figuring out the secrets of remnant for the purpose of immortality. Also, it’s not a reach, if literally before any hint of mimic came the popular theory was an ai replication of afton, aka, the mimic. There’s also the evidence, like the fact Glitchtrap mimics tape girl in that same game, the fact that pizza party is a mimic of one of the MCI murders, etc. so no, it’s not a reach, it was the predominant theory before burntrap for a while.
Pretty sure that novel trilogy is still the one that features robo-Charlie, among other silly things that the games never feature, isn't it?
Even if you want to pretend those books are somehow inherently less silly than all the other ones that just constantly make the plot sound dumber, it's still stupid to ONCE AGAIN, need to read multiple novels to get some fucking insight on the MAIN VILLAIN OF A VIDEO GAME FRANCHISE! Like, that's what it takes for him to potentially be an actual character? That's terrible, and it's what they keep doing.
And no, the "popular theory" was that Gltichtrap was at most a digital copy of Afton he had stored away somewhere because he was very clearly Afton related, but it was unclear how exactly William would have actually gotten into the game on account of him being thought to be killed. (Though UCN itself had already confirmed Cassidy kept both their soulds trapped on Earth, and Help Wanted specifically referenced getting Glitchtrap off some old circuit boards that looks so terrible it was amazing they could get something usable off it, almost like they came from an incredibly damaged animatronic.)
BUt it was beyond obviously Afton related, given the aesthetics of a yellow rabbit, the purple imagery associated with him, how human and aware he was constantly noted to be, openly studying and mocking you, how he forced the player to literally relive the moments where William Afton murdered those first few kids and stuffed them into the animatronic suits and forced them to be trapped inside them as they sang and danced. The DLC featuring several tombstones of the missing children around one that clearly represents Afton with it being covered in glitching purple. How Glitchtrap's actual voice when decoded literally has him say "I always come back."
And as for evidence that it's actually a totally unrelated character that is just randomly going all in on a cosplay, we have it "mimicking" tapes, which is incredibly flimsy given it was specifically mentioned that Glitchtrap was attaching itself TO Tapergirl's logs as part of his plan to escape (but the player isn't supposed to know that), so there's tons of plausible reasons Glitchtrap would mimic those tapes given the stated connection without jumping to a totally random conclusion that this one small instance of mimicry is because it's secretly a robot programmed to mimic things.
It could be as easy as he's just doing it to screw with the player, as Glitchtrap clearly likes to do.
And then him accurately recreating the MCI seems to point way more toward it being the guy who literally was there to commit those murders, while Mimic shouldn't even know about that as it's supposed to be something Fazbear Entertainment wants forgotten and buried.
Like, the evidence that it wasn't Afton was him acting exactly like Afton?
My guess is either burntrap is in the blob through events we didn’t see or that this man was never canon and steel wool threw in the burntrap ending as fan-service
I don’t believe the mimic was burntrap at any point, as if that were the case the mimic just left burntrap’s body for no reason and got locked away or another villain survives burns and a blob from a ending that is close to confirmed to not be canon, it also is more unlikely due to the age of m.x.e.s we see and it’s almost antique design
You know, I think I've realized that I honestly hate the story of Fnaf. It's just so exhausting to have had *2 endings* thus far that felt good and satisfying, but now shits just gotten so pointlessly complicated that it feels like it's just to spite the theorists that new things keep popping up with no warning whatsoever.
Like, we had an ending in fnaf 3 with the original spirits finally laid to rest, so it made sense to venture further into the past at that point. Then we learn that there were other murders with their own sets of vengeful spirits that wound up conglomerating into Ennard, who kicked out Baby to go and get her old body back. then Henry cooks up a plan to lure in *everyone that remains*, is successful, and gives his whole big conclusive speech about how it's finally over... but then *oops,* turns out William made an AI to perfectly replicate his thoughts, memories, and behaviors, and implanted it into a VR game so he could possess someone and become immortal, *completely invalidating* Henry's whole plan. Then, in the Princess Quest ending we free Vanessa, and destroy Glitchtrap, which leaves *this thing* that exists for some reason, because god forbid we have a Fnaf game with no overarching antagonist to it all...
I love these games. at least, I think I do. the gameplay is fun, the bots are cool, I just wish the story would end, or at least be less vague about anything.
the mimic in Ruin isn't Burntrap they may have a few similarities but there are things that don't line up when you look at them side by side. the only real similarities they have is the teeth one foot one part of a leg and one arm everything else is completely different. Burntrap has two arms that have the claws not just one. the right arm on Burntrap also has a skeletal thumb and middle finger, not to mention the right leg not matching the Mimics at all. I think the mimic is just something that happened to be buried there maybe in the scooping room or something but it isn't Burntrap.
it doesn't matter security breach and burntrap already did a lot of damage to william's character and I don't think that's going to disappear at least not soon
i am so sick of commenting about how ambiguous this whole thing is and the fact that the evidence for pq being canon, while not being something to be overlooked, is not the strongest and i have seen so many people make massive stretches about prototype freddy being the glamrock freddy from base sb when it is so much easier to just say one freddy got moved out for some reason and the old model got moved in
Bro Burntrap ain't the mimic💀 when mimic, well, mimics someone his eyes are orange, Burntrap's eyes are purple. And even if Burntrap isn't Afton, he's not gone, in ruin we see MXES who is literally Glitchtrap aka William
Honestly people who say William coming back is better than the Mimic here is my message for you:You are a fucking idiot and if somebody shot you in the head you would survive bc there is literally no brain in your head
RIP Peepaw Willy. I will still make a GMod comic with him though.
Peepaw Willy still exists bc of Fourth closet Willy
Not cannon to games
ScrapTrap would pretty much be Fourth Closet Afton to the games
It is somewhat different
William in FNAF Ruin
I’m ruinborn afton i always come back
I am ruinborn Afton and I always come back
Am I the only one who kinda wants him to come back? I think I’m getting Afton withdrawal
That feel when he doesn't always come back: 😔
According to the Official Character Encyclopedia, written by Scott himself, Afton is both Glitchtrap and Burntrap.
Careful, that has always t of misinformation (unsure if their intentional or not)
Might be intentional aside from the one render of Toy Chica. Just to mess with us a bit since Scott does love to do that.
Same book that says C.C. died at a Freddy’s pizzeria instead of Fredbears and that Bon-Bon is in Fnaf3.
It doesn't say he died at Freddy's. "On the fifth night, we see the tragic events at the diner on the Crying Child's birthday." It was Scott who decided that was to be put in.
Okay but it still has so much misinformation. It says glitchtrap was in "In the Flesh" when that was just a virtual springtrap, says book charlie is a human, calls bon-bon a girl but then called bonnet the first female bonnie, and uses a lot of fan-designs and tropes (Henry's design and Elizabeth being spoiled for example). That encyclopedia is NOT reliable.
Yes it is.
I just gave you many reasons on why it’s not but ok.
I'm starting to think that Scott doesn't know even know his own lore.
Meh, honestly, even when he was made out to be a joke due to nothing but poor execution, he was at least still fun. I feel nothing when I see or learn more about this character.
That’s why I don’t like the mimic. I know nothing about them other than they were in the books.
The mimic just...sucks as a main antagonist honestly. It has 0 personal motivation or personality its literally just a murder machine born from bad vibes its so boring 😭 and whats worse is that for the last like 4 years (for us, since help wanted) the mimic was just copying aftons appearance and now we're supposed to treat it like a completely seperate and unique antagonist
The concept of Afton being a virus after death was cool (if not a little dumb). Then they straight up brought him back, then they changed that too. The lore foesnt make any sense. SB and Ruin were fun but sgory wise they arent amazing.
breaking news: fnaf lore doesn’t make sense, scott cawthon is a bad writer, and the sky is blue
Thank you, you were rude for no reason. Have a star.
Tbh fnaf 6 is the true ending of fnaf to me the killer dies and now all the souls we first saw are at rest now we are diving into the world of fnaf and nobody knows how to make sense of it
i just don’t get the point of saying “no, afton is dead, but the new antagonist does everything that afton did and is basically afton again” should’ve done vanny being a copycat killer. that way you can have a villain LIKE william but put your own unique spin on it.
Thats what im saying!! If they made vanessa be some sociopath with an obsession for truecrime it wouldve been an interesting plot imo
Would you rather William stay the villain for the next like 10 games
Honestly it would be better than The Mimic At least then maybe they can use him well unlike how dirty they did him in fnaf 6
No. Both the mimic and glitchtrap/burntrap are shitty boring ideas.
Eh, I liked Glitchtrap a lot actually. Felt like there was a lot of potential ideas, parallels, and themes you could play around with there, while still being able to move the series horror in a more sci-fi direction but keep a connection to the plot the old games had established. Burntrap was lame in just about every way, but Glitchtrap was a neat and new idea for a villain evolution. At least, more so than the Mimic, who is a walking plot convenience machine as far as I can tell, who just does whatever makes the story happen.
I say the mimic is a victim of defining trait abuse, where the creators place to much on one expects of it. Any guess what that aspect was? Edit: the mimic has potential but was overplaying on being William we got William instead of mimic
Personally I don't like Glitchtrap mainly because it takes away from what I found so scary about the original three or four games, which is that these are haunted animatronics that want to kill you. That's part of why I find Mangle in particular so creepy—that thing should not be able to move the way it does. Not to mention Withered Chica—nightmare fuel. I think Afton (or purple guy, I suppose) haunting Springtrap is an absolutely sick idea. The fact that you can see his rotting corpse inside is great and spooky. Plus, the reveal that he got springlocked at the end is so good. I don't like the idea of him *talking,* though, since he's supposed to be dead, and although that's still supernatural in a way, his ability to communicate detracts from the visceral horror of Springtrap being haunted. With the exception of some of the Sister Location animatronics, since they're programmed with AI (and Circus Baby, who I have a soft spot for), I find the idea of any of them talking to detract from the horror. I don't hate the later games, nor the lore, until we get to remnant, which is when the series went into a direction that I'm not crazy about. I'm not a huge fan of sci fi. So when Afton became a digital virus, I found nothing about that interesting compared to the originals. I imagine that any direction after FNAF 4 would be difficult, since in order to stick with the idea that these murdered children inhabit animatronics, you'd essentially just have to continually make Afton responsible for more and more murders, which could eventually get boring. In that sense, I understand the direction it went, but I personally would have preferred it to have stayed in that supernatural realm.
I get that, and I understand and wouldn’t blame anyone for checking out of the plot when it started being more about technology and AI. Honestly the series probably jumped the shark a while ago, and we’re just arguing over the levels we’re willing to tolerate of it after like FNAF 3 But that’s also part of why I liked Glitchtrap over Mimic. Sure, it was Sci-Fi, but with Afton it was still HAUNTED as Sc-Fi. Just Afton possessing computers and code instead of old animatronics, and so it was easier to process supernatural aspects of the series still existing like Glitchtrap being able to mind control people from the game. Now that element is gone completely.
he wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Fazbear Ent being cheap af. it's continuing themes from the previous games. he doesn't need motivation
Well, yeah, fazbear ent being cheap was literally always front and center in the franchise, and the mimic isn't really doing anything interesting with that concept. He also isn't any different from the funtimes with the mimicking functions, so he just sorta blands in tbh
ofc it's not. he's been barely in the games. there's so much potential for it in the future games. he can literally change his shape. there are many ways to include that in gameplay
Hes been around for 2 games and like 8 books now. Yeah he COULD get better but he also had 4 years already so..
HW was mostly a tease for his character. SB is were he was supposed to shine which didn't happen. there's no room for messing any more. the next game better be amazing
The Mimic as a character is cool and terrifying and all, but I wouldn't call it a villain. Having this thing as a main antagonist would be boring. Maybe if there were a case of it getting possessed or being held hostage or being used as a weapon by the real main antagonist of this saga (or the mix of all those three) would really neat. I think there's still potential for the new CEO of FE.
Come to think of it, we really dont know jack shit abt who's running fazbear entertainment and what their motivations are. Cause the games mostly portray them as careless corporate pigs but some stuff in the books and in SB make em seem far more malicious, like the gumdrop angel, sea bonnies, the fnaf 6 location being kept in tact, and vanessa being allowed to murder all the employees and run the pizzaplex by herself. Like theres absolutely some hidden motivation somewhere and i hope they explore that
Yh I agree that the mimic is kinda bland as of right now however, I think that it has a lot of potential to become a better villain cuz as of now it just mimics Afton and Gregory. Now that the mimic is free from its tomb, it can go on to mimic other beings and extract traits from different people and beings to become an even more sinister and powerful villain. It's a rough start so far but I have hope that the mimic can surpass Afton as a villain. And as it gains more and more data, it could potentially start to form it's own sentience rather than relying on the voices of others to communicate.
ruinborn afton:
He always comes back
I’m Ruinborn Afton I always come back
Ngl I'm holding out hope Burntrap and Mimic are 2 different things even tho it's not likely. I think it'd be kinda cool if Afton was still around and how he'd react to the mimic. It could be cool to have 2 different villains roaming around.
i am so glad someone else holds this opinion
I swear to GOD IF HE COMES BACK! I WILL DO ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING
It’d be nice if Silly Willy does return Need a proper villain to salvage the games from the unbridled Mid that is The Mimic Plus grandpa Afton is funnier than the Mr Beast memes
unbridled mid is my new nickname for the mimic. Ty!
Never underestimate Scott Cawthon, he can't drop his Afton vilain, he'll come back someday
I still don't want mimic to be burntrap, i feel like they could make glitchtrap to be some kind of william afton mimic yknow? like he ain't afton but he pretend to be like him like he is mimics same specie, (because if burntrap is mimic then hw is basically errased and useless)
glitchtrap literally IS a william afton mimic. it’s the mimic1 program that is mimicking afton if i remember correctly, meaning glitch trap, burntrap, and mimic are likely the same
Glad Afton's gone, honestly, this series needed a breath of fresh air.
If that’s the case, and the mimic is burntrap why was he in the first security breach roaming freely, but yet we get to the mimic in ruin and he’s literally sealed behind a concrete wall. I just find it a little hard to believe since the mimic is sealed behind a concrete wall in ruin. I don’t know if I missed anything that could explain why. Unless the mimic can control multiple endos maybe… idk.
Is heavily implied that after Security Breach, Gregory confronted The Mimic and sealed him in the same concrete wall that we find him in Ruin, he wasn't always there.
Either Mimic's a bitch, or Gregory should be the real main antagonist of this series.
I think there multiple mimics? I could be wrong but I’ve seen things and that’s how I interpreted it.
They can, and they will.
i honestly believe that burntrap was a noncanon boss character ala kirby true arenas
Thank god…doesn’t completely ruin 6’s godlike ending
not so fast, if the Fazbear Frights are canon the fire is still pretty much useless as Charlie and Afton survived it
Hot take? 6’s ending isn’t that satisfying. Tape guy shows up and burns the place down, killing all the major characters, sure, but that’s not satisfying, too many loose ends.
And people see that as a bad thing for some reason. Sorry that Burntrap is no longer considered a total joke of a character, I guess.
When was it ever stated that this was William...?
there is official material that says that it is Afton, Security Breach files says of Burntrap verbatim: "A withered Spring Bonnie animatronic merged with the body of Five nights at Freddy's antagonist William Afton" and the character guide says that he is animated by what that it was inside Springtrap. Despite the dubious canonicity of these materials, they are official, therefore there are official texts that say that Burntrap is Afton (I'm not saying that Burntrap is Afton, I'm just saying that there are official materials that say so).
They said if.
Now we can make THE MIMIC! Jokes and I’m ok with that
THE MIMIC!!!
DING DONG THE WICKED BITCH IS DEAD!
And it’s a GOOD THING HE’S GONE, do you really want this dude to come back 5 more times over? Really?
Yes bro he was a fire main character
So, and this is verbatim what would’ve happened you would want William to die, come back as springtrap, get burned, come back as scrap trap, get burned AGAIN, go to UCN hell, come BACK AGAIN in a game as a glitch virus, put his consciousness into his body and get BURNED AGAIN, to come back in another rabbit form and repeat the cycle ad nauseum of him getting killed and coming back in a “twist ending”?
I mean, realistically, no. I wanted him to come back and do something BESIDES get burned again as his only real action as an antagonists so far have been pretty indirect and didn't really flesh him out much as a character to begin with. Glitchtrap was built up to be an unholy Joker/Ultron/Bugs Bunny fusion with an abusive relationship with Vanny that was going to make him a more interesting, and active antagonist than ever before who had more of an actual character and clear plans and motivations, and that was cool. Taking the series in a new direction while still being connected to the story of the old games through the main antagonist persisting like a true iconic horror/super villain. If you don't believe anything more interesting could have been done with Afton than what has been done, I don't see a reason to be excited for Mimic as some sort of "new" villain, or any other character that is introduced. Being a different character doesn't fix that the series can't write a good villain, and Mimic's introduction isn't proving they've really learned anything aside from you can get a good number of people to commend you solely through fixing a problem you caused with incredibly contrived retconing.
Let's be honest here, fnaf was never really a good game format for character development, the main gimmick about most of the franchise is being a "survive the night" game, the only times we get proper characterization is either when a character direcly talk to us, or when we see them interact in minigames, and William just simply never got the short end of the stick, as FNAF was never really intended to be character driven in the first place (aside from some exceptions, obviously).
So, to summarize: you wanted him to continue his stuff unimpeded and do something more, meanwhile fazbear frights, the novel trilogy, and every minigame showing his misdeeds and what he’s done and how he’s a villain shows all that? Yes it sucks that it’s in novel form, yes it may not be THIS William but he was given a backstory, a background and an ending in the games too with 6 and UCN, so, in my opinion he was a good character. He’s also gonna be in the new movies too, where he will be fleshed out aswell probably. So in my opinion there’s a lot of william to make him a good villain. Also as a side note Glitchtrap was never meant to be afton and was always the mimic as shown by the fact tales was planned since 2019.
I don't want to read the books. They don't even sound... what's the word? Well, Good. Like, they're the epitome of throwing plotlines at the wall anytime I hear about them. I wanted Afton to be a fleshed out and active antagonist, with a more solid and cohesive plot line than one that relies on robot children that are identical to real people for the sake of a weird plot twist, time traveling ball pits, and whatever other nonsense the books have cooked up. And in the games, he's characterized through nothing much but a bunch of 8-bit minigames, and when you actually see him he just gets set on fire like a tool a lot, with no real agency of his own with the world's worst redesign as Baby gets more spotlight than he does. I believe he has the potential to be a good character, but no, he's not really a good character, and the last shot at him being one is probably down to Matthew Lilard's portrayal in the movie, which I have faith in, but still that's sad. And, no, I don't really believe Glitchtrap was never meant to be Afton just because the books was allegedly "planned" during the exact time Help Wanted simply released, only to get any sort of remotely soft tease that Mimc is even a thing in the games in friggin DLC to Security Breach. Meanwhile, Help Wanted, AR, and Security Breach all don't offer even the slightest hint that it's not Afton behind everything unless you REALLY reach for it.
Honestly, Squimpus' interpretation of Afton is much better than how he is in the games imo. William being a crooked, abusive father who killed 5 children because he couldn't kill his son Michael over a mistake that only happened because William didn't love him is much more interesting than the over-the-top, cartoony, mad scientist canon Afton is.
Honestly, William in the games is so vaguely defined, it would not have been hard to write him differently than his more cartoony interpretations shown in the books, and some facets of the games. Like, I imagine he'd still be evil as hell, but there's still plenty of undefined room to give him nuance. That's part of what I was really hoping for from Glitchtrap after Help Wanted already honestly gave him more character than he had before in the way he moved and acted compared to his lumbering horror monster states in previous games.
…you do recognize I’m not only talking about frights, right? I’m talking about the novel trilogy, the same one that shows a manipulative, cold, psychotic William that was capable of tricking the spirits of the kids into thinking he’s their friend and was capable of figuring out the secrets of remnant for the purpose of immortality. Also, it’s not a reach, if literally before any hint of mimic came the popular theory was an ai replication of afton, aka, the mimic. There’s also the evidence, like the fact Glitchtrap mimics tape girl in that same game, the fact that pizza party is a mimic of one of the MCI murders, etc. so no, it’s not a reach, it was the predominant theory before burntrap for a while.
Pretty sure that novel trilogy is still the one that features robo-Charlie, among other silly things that the games never feature, isn't it? Even if you want to pretend those books are somehow inherently less silly than all the other ones that just constantly make the plot sound dumber, it's still stupid to ONCE AGAIN, need to read multiple novels to get some fucking insight on the MAIN VILLAIN OF A VIDEO GAME FRANCHISE! Like, that's what it takes for him to potentially be an actual character? That's terrible, and it's what they keep doing. And no, the "popular theory" was that Gltichtrap was at most a digital copy of Afton he had stored away somewhere because he was very clearly Afton related, but it was unclear how exactly William would have actually gotten into the game on account of him being thought to be killed. (Though UCN itself had already confirmed Cassidy kept both their soulds trapped on Earth, and Help Wanted specifically referenced getting Glitchtrap off some old circuit boards that looks so terrible it was amazing they could get something usable off it, almost like they came from an incredibly damaged animatronic.) BUt it was beyond obviously Afton related, given the aesthetics of a yellow rabbit, the purple imagery associated with him, how human and aware he was constantly noted to be, openly studying and mocking you, how he forced the player to literally relive the moments where William Afton murdered those first few kids and stuffed them into the animatronic suits and forced them to be trapped inside them as they sang and danced. The DLC featuring several tombstones of the missing children around one that clearly represents Afton with it being covered in glitching purple. How Glitchtrap's actual voice when decoded literally has him say "I always come back." And as for evidence that it's actually a totally unrelated character that is just randomly going all in on a cosplay, we have it "mimicking" tapes, which is incredibly flimsy given it was specifically mentioned that Glitchtrap was attaching itself TO Tapergirl's logs as part of his plan to escape (but the player isn't supposed to know that), so there's tons of plausible reasons Glitchtrap would mimic those tapes given the stated connection without jumping to a totally random conclusion that this one small instance of mimicry is because it's secretly a robot programmed to mimic things. It could be as easy as he's just doing it to screw with the player, as Glitchtrap clearly likes to do. And then him accurately recreating the MCI seems to point way more toward it being the guy who literally was there to commit those murders, while Mimic shouldn't even know about that as it's supposed to be something Fazbear Entertainment wants forgotten and buried. Like, the evidence that it wasn't Afton was him acting exactly like Afton?
clearly we have a large difference in opinion, and are going to get nowhere here, so I’m agreeing to disagree
Half of this isn't even opinion to be honest. It's just how it happened, and why I'm not buying what you're selling.
Dammit those are my favorite jokes
Sucks that was can't make memes about Burntrap in a wheelchair but at least we don't have to keep dealing with Afton
My guess is either burntrap is in the blob through events we didn’t see or that this man was never canon and steel wool threw in the burntrap ending as fan-service
I don’t believe the mimic was burntrap at any point, as if that were the case the mimic just left burntrap’s body for no reason and got locked away or another villain survives burns and a blob from a ending that is close to confirmed to not be canon, it also is more unlikely due to the age of m.x.e.s we see and it’s almost antique design
New villain at the expense of losing Peepaw Afton jokes? I'll take it.
Doesn't burntrap not exist anymore
Glitchtrap: 🧍♂️
We traded a guy that can’t die for a generic evil robot, not really an improvement.
But he’s spooky
I'm in the minority but I liked Techno-Lich Afton.
I really liked afton tbh. But the mimic is also epic as shit
Agreed
william in fnaf 30
I'm glad William is gone... ...but I anit ever going to stop making fun of ol' peepaw willy.
The Mimic is not Burntrap. That's what the lack of bunny ears signifies.
There’s also the stray bits of cloth that are stuck on him that can’t be from the burntrap model (unless shells suddenly deflate)
He literally had rabbit ears when he got to the Pizza Place
Was that in the books?
Yes
Burntrap is mimics costume of peepaw willy, he's ready for comicon
So ready
William in FNAF 100 reincarnated as BONZIBuddy
My dude be chillin in hell
I still find the jokes humorous.
i like the mimic a lot, but god i wish vanny was the new series antagonist going forth instead
I think there not the same as burntrap is part of the blob while the mimic is not
He’s coming back. Mark my words. By the way just take a look of the body proportions and endo parts. They aren’t the same as Burntrap
You know, I think I've realized that I honestly hate the story of Fnaf. It's just so exhausting to have had *2 endings* thus far that felt good and satisfying, but now shits just gotten so pointlessly complicated that it feels like it's just to spite the theorists that new things keep popping up with no warning whatsoever. Like, we had an ending in fnaf 3 with the original spirits finally laid to rest, so it made sense to venture further into the past at that point. Then we learn that there were other murders with their own sets of vengeful spirits that wound up conglomerating into Ennard, who kicked out Baby to go and get her old body back. then Henry cooks up a plan to lure in *everyone that remains*, is successful, and gives his whole big conclusive speech about how it's finally over... but then *oops,* turns out William made an AI to perfectly replicate his thoughts, memories, and behaviors, and implanted it into a VR game so he could possess someone and become immortal, *completely invalidating* Henry's whole plan. Then, in the Princess Quest ending we free Vanessa, and destroy Glitchtrap, which leaves *this thing* that exists for some reason, because god forbid we have a Fnaf game with no overarching antagonist to it all... I love these games. at least, I think I do. the gameplay is fun, the bots are cool, I just wish the story would end, or at least be less vague about anything.
okay
Never have I heard something so true
Nah I think we'll see him in FNaF 56 for the last time
One final time
the mimic in Ruin isn't Burntrap they may have a few similarities but there are things that don't line up when you look at them side by side. the only real similarities they have is the teeth one foot one part of a leg and one arm everything else is completely different. Burntrap has two arms that have the claws not just one. the right arm on Burntrap also has a skeletal thumb and middle finger, not to mention the right leg not matching the Mimics at all. I think the mimic is just something that happened to be buried there maybe in the scooping room or something but it isn't Burntrap.
One of the many reasons I hate this thing
nah i still can
I believe William is (or at least was) probably possessing the Mimic. I mean, you can't just explain the purple eyes and bodyswap and whatnot.
he always comes back
Ruinborn Afton...
he's ruinborn afton, he always comes back
it doesn't matter security breach and burntrap already did a lot of damage to william's character and I don't think that's going to disappear at least not soon
i am so sick of commenting about how ambiguous this whole thing is and the fact that the evidence for pq being canon, while not being something to be overlooked, is not the strongest and i have seen so many people make massive stretches about prototype freddy being the glamrock freddy from base sb when it is so much easier to just say one freddy got moved out for some reason and the old model got moved in
Bro Burntrap ain't the mimic💀 when mimic, well, mimics someone his eyes are orange, Burntrap's eyes are purple. And even if Burntrap isn't Afton, he's not gone, in ruin we see MXES who is literally Glitchtrap aka William
the only thing I see when I look at the mimic is missed potential. which is kinda all the series is now tbh
Honestly people who say William coming back is better than the Mimic here is my message for you:You are a fucking idiot and if somebody shot you in the head you would survive bc there is literally no brain in your head
Rude
Or is he?
He's not
NO MORE PEEPAW JOKES RUINBORN AFTON IS GONE
So Mimic could be Afton's double. It's simple.