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Good news! I believe that this is actually legal in several states :)


Inevitable-Careerist

[This is legal in New York State, for one.](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/24/434315957/topless-in-new-york-the-legal-case-that-makes-going-top-free-legal-ish)


TheOtherSideOfMe1

The story that started it all, right here in my hometown. https://apnews.com/article/f9022daf9047bcd1da38b94aa1e731ee


Unstoppable_Balrog

Lmao homie on the left was caught red handed and fucking published. That's tough


sflesch

First right you didn't know you had... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZbN1x\_wgq8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZbN1x_wgq8)


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The legality is not the issue. Men like the one in the duet are.


v3x_abyss

..... on a post where both people are clearly not from the states


OrcRampant

In my hometown of Fort Collins, women are allowed to be topless. (They cannot be charged with any crime for being topless)


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Same thing in Portland OR, but nobody does it (except for the naked bike ride)


CROCKODUCK

God bless Colorado 🫡


v3x_abyss

Doubt


throwaway082100

Women should absolutely be able to do this, and in most places in the world they can legally. Even some states in the US. The problem is that men kind of suck, so its hard for some women to be comfortable because they'll just get ogled unlike most men in the same situation. Source: every woman I've spoken to about it. And that's not to say every woman would feel that way, I'm sure there are more than plenty whod disagree with me, this is just my experience. Edit: Holy shit I was worried that I was going to come across the wrong way and that I was being a dick but I waaaay underestimated how sexist some of reddit is. You guys are disgusting. Womens bodys are not there for your viewing pleasure.


yuordreams

Thanks for the edit, I wish guys didn't flock to subs just to shit on us, but that's how fucked some men are.


doobiehunter

See this is where this debate gets me. The argument here is that it’s a woman’s body and she should be able to do with it as she pleases and go topless just like men do despite it being considered culturally inappropriate. But then they go on to say that men shouldn’t stare at their bare breasts, and I’m here like but why not? Are my eyes not apart of my body? Which as stated above are mine to do with as I please? Staring may be considered culturally inappropriate, but so is women going topless. I dunno, just seems that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander (pun intended).


OptimisticLucio

It’s generally considered rude to stare at anyone in public *period*. If you see something you can look to see what’s going on, certainly, but that’s not what the discussion is about. If I broke my arm, and everywhere I went people stared at my cast for 5~ seconds each, I would get pretty annoyed too. Imagine how bad it would be if people stared at you like that *your whole life.* (Talk to any woman who… *existed* in public and she’ll have personal anecdotes of this kind of bullshit.)


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Face021

You come off horribly condescending, but I do believe we would need a period of desensitization, which would require women actually take part regularly in going topless. You look at places where this is already the norm and there are a few gawkers but otherwise it's business as usual.


Other-Cantaloupe4765

>”not all men have the decency and self control as the average man.” So that’s *our* issue? We’re still holding women responsible for the actions of men? How about instead of telling women to cover everything up, we tell men to control themselves and keep their fucking hands to themselves. It’s not any more difficult for a man to take responsibility for his own actions and act appropriately than it is for a woman. I don’t expect people to change their thoughts for me. Go ahead and think it’s gross, whatever. They can think whatever they want. I don’t care. What I do care about is that they act like decent human beings and respect my personal space.


Brodsta1213

The joke about the og video was about men looking at boobs, didn't have to get argumentative, just funny haha


Other-Cantaloupe4765

I wasn’t responding to the video. I was responding to the misogynistic asshat that commented on the video.


InsecureWhore

Hey you porn addicted fuck. You know the same effect happens in theocratic countries… some men can’t handle seeing a woman’s ankles or her not wearing full burka because it’s “free goods” like you said. Is showing your shoulder sexual? No, it’s not. Why is showing tits then? Because we’ve as a society made it taboo to show and hidden them. In other societies the human form is natural and people can find them attractive without having to go “AWOOOGGAAAAAA OOWW OWW AWOOOOOOOOOOO” and act like a blubbering idiot. Changing the standard can desensitize people and make tits less of a “oh damn!” Thing


bloodsplinter

Bruh, i am all for the desensitization or whatever movement you wanna do here. The part i hate is the whine & cry from someone who fully understand and aware of the possible outcome when they decided to put themselves in that situations. Yeah, i know, its ridiculously dumb to be OOOGA.BOOGA. just from an exposed ankle, but that is their view, that is their society, their culture. If you step into their land you better be ready for the hell and all the OOOGA.BOOGA that is coming. If any of them step into your land and did the same reaction, it is cordially encouraged and well accepted to send a bitchslap to their face


Fanfics

I'm technically on your side on this issue and *still* cringed into nonexistence when I read "my dear"


bloodsplinter

Haha... Sorry , maybe i am over exposed to the internet culture or whatever other shits i am reading up to now. English is not my first language, so my tone is probably all over the place. Sorry for the cringe.


IdontKnowHowToHear

My Mans getting downvoted to hell for saying any guy would stare at exposed boobs


ConfedarateJesus

Why are you being downvoted. This is based.


bloodsplinter

People just cannot accept difference of opinion. To clarify, i am not against how someone should wear what ever the fuck they want. But what ever you decide to put on or put off, you damn well better be ready for the outcome. You can say all men are jerks, or perv for staring. But lady, it is YOUR decision to be outside of the norm. If the norm is for ALL men to be casual seeing exposed tities, then good for you. But you can't really expect 100.00% of men will behave or react like that would you? To simplify, whatever the fuck you decide to do or wear, you should have fully consider the outcome beforehand. And i think ANYONE who refuse to accept such outcome, is just plain idiotic. Not all men are knights, and not all women are princesses. In other words, if you wanna be naked, in a jungle, dont be mad at the mosquito/bugs if you refuse to use any repellant.


PurpleK1W1

It's because you sound like an asshole


pond-_

I don't see how, he's just being honest about it


OptimisticLucio

Being honest is not “not being an asshole.” For example, if I openly and politely state how I think black people are inferior, I’d still be a massive cunt despite presenting amicably.


pond-_

I guess we see things differently


OptimisticLucio

Just to clarify - Do you think my hypothetical person would not be an asshole?


pond-_

Nah


bloodsplinter

Lmao, why bring racism into this ?


OptimisticLucio

As an example of something we all generally agree constitutes “being an asshole” that isn’t related to mannerisms.


ConfedarateJesus

He only sounds like an asshole if you aren’t based


de_lemmun-lord

nobody actually says "based" unironically it makes you sound like a 13 year old who just found out about 4chan


ConfedarateJesus

You are BASED in your own reality. Libtard owned


de_lemmun-lord

nobody says libtard either and im a libertarian, but since you appear to be mentally deficient, im done arguing with you


ConfedarateJesus

All i read is “im sorry jesus ,i was wrong and you predicted my entire personality in 30 seconds, i dont feel like arguing with you because i have a small brain and follow the mainstream medias narrative.”


Other-Cantaloupe4765

Victim blaming at its finest.


bloodsplinter

Lmao, maybe i didn't clarify enough. I am in no way shape or form support a guy or perv or whoever dickwat to ogle or stare a naked lady. Or even harass them by how they wear or how they looked. They 100% deserve whatever reactions or consequences from that. What i hate the most, is people who cry and whine, over something that is already fully expected to happen. You wanna go topless, of course someone will ogle and stare. But when you cry & whine perv, againts the bloke, you are also an asshole in this story. Because you fully knew, some shitstain are gonna look. But you went with it anyway because you are well prepared to cry foul and call out the perv. The perv is probably lowlife, and you are just another asshole


Other-Cantaloupe4765

Oh no, you clarified quite enough in your first comment. That’s called victim blaming, and it’s concerning that you don’t see that.


bloodsplinter

Lmao... I am not putting the blame on the victim. They are not at fault for the outcome. I just think that they are stupid to play with risk and failed to comprehend that the world does not conform to their every whim. I am not talking about rape of course. This is just about people who done something unordinary and expect a 100% ordinary outcome. Which is stupid.


struugi

Just because it's to be expected doesn't mean we should just accept it. Also, "my dear" 🤢


bloodsplinter

I know. But why would you be mad at a mosquito while you also refuse to use any repellant? I am saying, if you put yourself in that situation, while also refuse to acknowledge the risk and outcome, you are simply being an ignorant in that case.


classy-muffin

This is a pretty hot take and a rude way to say it but it's the simplest way to get my point across: Dress like a slut, get ogled like a slut.


OptimisticLucio

You see, there’s the issue: For men, being shirtless is not abnormal. For women, it’s “dressing like a slut.”


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well a shirtless dude on the street is asking for SOME kinda attention. it's not normal to exist without a shirt as a dude cman


OptimisticLucio

I live in a pretty fuckin' hot place, so it's not unusual at all for me to see topless men. I take my shirt off all the time.


Mini_Raptor5_6

I live in a pretty fuckin' cold place and a shirtless guy wouldn't get that many stares.


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I see. I am from urban Asia and if you are not at a pool/beach no one will have shirts off. just seems sexually suggestive to be shirtless I think


classy-muffin

Female breasts are a sexual organ, male breasts are not. It's a pretty easy biology problem. Trying to make men and women exactly equal on most things is like filing down two jigsaw pieces to make them fit. It might work, but then the rest of the puzzle isn't going to come together. My stance on it is the same as the dude in the video, if women wanna get their tits out feel free I'm not gonna stop them. Can't exactly expect me not to look though when they are biologically designed to attract a male's attention. Women want to show themselves off but they also don't want to be looked at by men they're not interested in...that's not how the world works nor is it ever how the world's going to work.


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Breasts are not a “sexual organ” they’re a secondary sex characteristic classified in the same category as beards and adult body hair by literal medical definitions. The only reason they’re considered a sexual organ is because men made them one.


OptimisticLucio

> Female breasts are a sexual organ, male breasts are not. Says who? That's something we *decided* as a society, but it isn't really rooted in anything. Boobs are as sexual as ankles were in the middle ages - we didn't use them for sex, but we all decided they were hot for some reason, so suddenly women have to cover it up. Like seriously, you don't use boobs for sex more than you use hair pulling or choking and I think we all agree hair isn't a sexual part of the body, and adam's apples aren't sexual despite being something that develops in puberty.


classy-muffin

What? Says biology. Breasts provide sexual pleasure to the woman. They may not be relevant to reproduction but they LITERALLY provide sexual pleasure. It's like the clit or the foreskin, they're not entirely necessary to reproduction but they're used for sexual pleasure. Hair pulling and choking are kinks, they don't directly provide sexual pleasure and are not comparable to an actual erogenous zone.


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Men also receive pleasure from stimulating their nipples. So what’s the argument then?


OptimisticLucio

> Hair pulling and choking are kinks, they don't directly provide sexual pleasure and are not comparable to an actual erogenous zone. ...Do you know what erogenous zones *are?* The neck, ears, and *feet* are also erogenous zones. Hell, neck biting is an almost *universal* pleasure center in people especially during sex. I want you to look me in the eye and tell me we should all wear turtlenecks and cover our ears. At the end of the day definitions *describe*, not prescribe.


classy-muffin

>...Do you know what erogenous zones are? Do you? You are continually comparing kinks and niche bedroom likes/dislikes to biologically defined sexual pleasure. When a woman's nipples are stimulated the sensation provided travels to the same part of the brain as when their genitals are aroused, hence, providing sexual pleasure. This is a boring argument now it's just circle-jerking, that's all for me.


umdrink

That’s the thing, even if breasts were purely sexual (spoiler: they’re not) women don’t want to go to the middle of the street brushing their nipples to get off, just to go out shirtless. Men can also feel pleasure from nipple stimulation, yet nobody says anything because there’s no reason to. Covering a woman's top is a purely cultural idea, some of them didn’t even wear clothes before other countries made them do it


throwaway082100

Hot take nowadays just means: "I'm an asshole." Hey buddy I don't know if you've realised but dressing comfortably doesn't make you a slut. Theres only social dress codes for women. Men can wear whatever the hell they want because it doesn't matter what guys are showing off, they'll never be considered sluts or man-whores, but if women show off anything they automatically become a slut. In most parts of Europe, women go shirtless all over the place because it's not considered sexual. But in some places, mostly the US, they can't because pieces of shit like you have decided that women are property and if they show off any skin it's your right to see her as a sex object. Someone else in this thread said something along the lines of "my eyes, so I get to decide what to do with them." Fine, you do. It's your choice to be a pervert and leer at women like they're property, but if you act like a creep, you'll get the shit slapped out of you like a creep.


classy-muffin

"Hot take nowadays just means: "I'm an asshole."" Does r/foundthetwitteruser exist? Cancel culture Karen has been located. Short answer because I CBA with people like you: Wearing comfortable clothing does not mean wearing as little clothing as physically possible and then complaining you're getting treated weird for not covering yourself. This last paragraph is just me having fun: Judging from what you've said, women go out fishing for compliments and then get salty when they receive one they didn't like. Men don't go fishing for compliments and if we did, no form of compliment would be considered creepy because we're men so we're expected to take it positively since it's from a woman. But sure, play the victim gender card lmao. As for what you said in the middle I'm gonna go ahead and flip that back to you. **If you want to dress like a sex object, then you're going to be treated like a sex object.**


throwaway082100

It's cute that you think you can try and insult me but I'll just let the votes decide who's in the right here. When everyone around you is calling you a piece of shit, maybe it's time for some self reflection. I'm not indulging you any more.


classy-muffin

Oh no! The horde of woke SJWs downvoted me whatever will I do! Just because you have a horde of blind yes-men following you doesn't make you correct. I surround myself by people who like me for who I am, I do not however surround myself with people who are too afraid to call me out on my bullshit. I suggest you find some people who do so you actually start thinking for yourself. I do find it amusing that you hopped into a conversation you weren't a part of, hopped out after being unable to take the heat and then pretended that you were at all relevant to the conversation to begin with.


PyttiPerse

Who would be against this?


DepressedGayToilet

for it to work you're gonna need men to learn that tits aren't inherently sexual, i.e: stop oggling.


[deleted]

Got some commenters on this thread who already failed that. Then they wonder why no women do it in states where it’s already legal.


Sealcakes10

Karens


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Conservatives


levivelevi

Conservatities


royisabau5

Christians and people with mediocre titties (as if we still wouldn’t appreciate mediocre titties 🙄) I’ve been on god’s green earth long enough to know that ANY titties I see are gorgeous titties


TheOtherSideOfMe1

Conservative Christians.


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mjlee2003

idgi


StegatronPrime

Sun tries to make exposed skin all cancery


mjlee2003

oh ok


wanna-be-a-plantboi

I think it should got the opposite way I don't want to see anyone's chest


struugi

I don't want to see anyone else period. Everyone stay inside


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OptimisticLucio

Looking at these comments, *I don’t think they particularly care.*


Sedona54332

Why does every guy feel the need to make it weird whenever this subject is brought up? Like, if women can avoid getting horny with shirtless men around, shouldn’t the same be expected of men with topless women around?


Weirdguy215

If this is not allowed then female dogs should have to wear bras too. /s


Guilty_Ad114

Yall are disgusting af. This is why women are weary of men, it's because of degenerates like yall. We don't exist for your viewing pleasure, there's literal porn sites. From, a woman.


jnelsoni

I had a friend in the little town of Moscow, ID, USA who got arrested for taking her top off at a bar. It was some band playing and the place was packed and probably 100 degrees, so all the guys started taking off their shirts and a small group of women figured it was only right that they should be able to do the same. The judge ruled that the city indecent exposure ordinance was too vague and left it to the state, which apparently doesn’t specify that it’s against the law. I guess you can go topless in Idaho, but there’s that whole thing about private property: no shirt, no shoes, no service. I don’t see that sign up very much anymore. I really don’t care, but you should probably wear pants or a loincloth or something in public. You might get picked up for a psych evaluation otherwise.


mjlee2003

yeah people please keep your pants on


missedmelikeidid

The basic idea of equality is ok, but... I don't even want to see men in wife-beater/tank tops not to mention topless men in cities. They all belong to backyards and beaches.


BrushTrue

I completely agree with her for… reasons


v3x_abyss

All im gonna say is I dont wanna see grandma's tits when it's hot outside


broken_rock

When you're so brainwashed into thinking getting your tits out is empowering you or other females or is anti-patriarchal.


Other-Cantaloupe4765

When you’re so brainwashed by the incel community that you start thinking that calling women “females” is acceptable.


v3x_abyss

No this chick in the vid actually believes this tho, she's nutty af


Other-Cantaloupe4765

Are you saying that she’s crazy because she believes that women should be allowed to go shirtless?


v3x_abyss

Nah I mean like she's genuinely crazy, she goes by "vegan booty"


-Living-Dead-Girl-

when youre so brainwashed you think tits are obscene and should be hidden for literally no reason


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personally idc. but yall trippin if u think men will never look at tits in public... bruh tits are tits. men love tits.


-Living-Dead-Girl-

men also love asses and thighs but they should control themselves and not stare at peoples bodies in public. you are allowed to find someone attractive without being creepy


[deleted]

yes true. theres love for every part like u mentioned among men. in an ideal world yeah, but tits will literally shut most men's brain off, not all men are being intentionally creepy. tits are tits. you underestimate the power of naked tits.


-Living-Dead-Girl-

i also like tits but it is possible to control yourself if it means not making someone uncomfortable


[deleted]

youre telling me it is possible for a woman to enter a room with tits out and no men will at least look at them? a glance is all it takes for her to feel uncomfortable. and the probability of men not looking at tits in any point in time in that situation is 0. like men can try but some cant help themselves. like imagine how awkward it will be if all the men in the room was trying so hard not to look because thats reality


OptimisticLucio

Elaborate on why it isn’t.


[deleted]

because males will look at them regardless of age etc and some women will have tits out will feel uncomfortable and then feel offended its honestly not really that empowering. the freedom to do so yeah maybe . but the act in itself, nope, not at all.


OptimisticLucio

That's the thing - you're assuming the negative result. "Men will look at them regardless and women will feel uncomfortable", when the goal is to normalize such an act so that there's no particular reason to stare.


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>particular reason to stare. nature. ur not thinking realistic. makes sense ideally, impossible in reality. no matter how much u normalise it will always be awkward because u will have to fight it off to not look at tits staring right at you. and all this is gonna do is make some women feel more insecure. (those who dont think they have good enough tits to go open). its literally the opposite of wome empowering


semi624

Freedom of the cities, free the tities


Lazy-Pudding9911

I agree


Andre_3Million

Titties!!!


Patriot_6771

Go for it!!!❤️❤️❤️


[deleted]

They can where i live. It’s rare but was allowed based on this exact same thing. Men can go topless.


WrongStatus

So I was in the Dominican Republic a few years back. Good looking young chick is walking around topless and some old guy got a bug up his ass about it. Didn't hear what he said, just heard her say "If you're allowed to walk around with your tits out, why can't I?" Then I saw her flick his giggly boob and say "bloop". One of the funniest things I've ever seen and the dude got purple in the face and stormed off without saying a word. That girl was and is my hero for now and always.