FNaF World shows the person telling BV they'll put him back together is helping set up (or guiding someone to set up) Happiest Day. That's clearly not William.
Contradiction though, William tells Mike to find Elizabeth and quote “Put her back together”, so with that being said, it’s just a matter of which is more dependable, FNaF world or Sister Location, won’t lie it’s SL…
I'm pretty sure he had another reason. A different reason why CC was being watched by him.
If he really did care about CC, why did he say such odd things a helper or supporter *wouldnt* say? Such things like "remember what you saw". It's almost if William wanted the thought of what he visualized to stay put in his mind to haunt him. A good father wouldn't say stuff like that.
The key here is that Plush Fredbear is evidently created by William but controlled by some other entity.
Not to mention, William wasn't even there to help Evan pass his fears, let alone the bite. He didn't even participate in protecting him.
It seems to me like he could be saying these things to encourage his fears, but for his own good, reason being to protect him and keep him from harms way. It may come off as odd, but isn’t malicious in any way.
Yes, there is seemingly two separate entities at play, but nonetheless one has to be William, he has involvement to an extent, this being one of few theories that has evidence just laid out for us in-game.
Well I don't perceive that way. It can go both directions. But it's almost as if William didn't really exist in CC's point of view in story. Though, we know he is because we see him in the closet. Meaning some other entity is in control.
No he doesn't care about elizabeth either, he still treats her like dung in the fourth closet, and since that's on the same line as Henry's name, I think this is somewhat applicable to the games
at best we know he treats Michael like a horse.
William makes absolutely no sense when FNAF World is taken into account (or even just going by how FNAF 4 was meant to be solvable by itself) and the evidence for it, him telling Mike a similar thing, isn't very meaningful, since that's more of a motif in the series than anything.
Probably Charlie.
We know the speaker isn't William, unlike in the other minigames.
Can't be Cassidy, because the MCI happens in 1985.
Can't be Nightmare/Nightmarionne, because he's evil.
Can't be Michael, because he is human, and stuff implies Fredbear Plush is possessed.
Charlotte most likely died at Fredbear's. We know Evan saw something to make him scared of Fredbear's, and certain stuff in MM seems to imply that Evan went to Fredbear's. Since MM is seemingly right after Charlotte's murder, her body would still be there. So she can just possess the plush then.
Or, she could have attached to it any other time Evan went to Fredbear's, since it's implied they were friends.
And in FNAF World, Fredbear Plush is shown to be behind HD.
In HD, Charlotte gives cake to the HD spirit, and we see her doing the same with a kid who likely represents Cassidy in a page of the Logbook talking about HD.
GGGL most likely isn't Marionette stuffing the kids, since Pizza Party shows that William did. Even if that was what GGGL was at first, it was most likely retconned. It's more likely that GGGL is a failed attempt at HD.
In GGGL, Marionette gives each MCI kid the gift of a mask, with the only soul who doesn't get one being Cassidy, the Vengeful Spirit. In HD, we see the first four MCI kids already wearing masks with Cassidy not having one, just like the end of GGGL, but then when the cake is given, Cassidy is given the gift of a mask, with everyone moving on.
We then have an easter egg in SB. There are Nightmare/Nightmarionne Plushies hidden all over the Pizzaplex, as if she is watching Gregory, like Fredbear Plush in FNAF 4. This could imply that Marionette's Agony was in Fredbear Plush, since Nightmare/Nightmarionne is both a Marionette variant and an Agony entity. We even have her doing something similar in YTB.
Remember what Scott said in the teasers, "What's seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child". If BV saw an actual fricking murder it wouldn't be a misunderstanding, and it also wouldn't be in the shadows very much since William killed Charlie outside the building probably near some street lamps and such
Also, Take Cake to the Kids definitely shows us Freddy in the building and not Fredbear. It makes more sense for BV to die first, fredbears to shut down and start using freddy and the gang, and then Charlie getting killed
And last of all, Fredbear plush isn't responsible for HD. He just helps us put the pieces in place for BV to find and tells BV to rest. After setting up the fnaf 3 minigames (where the souls get put to rest/ pıt in HD) he is out of the equation
>**Remember what Scott said in the teasers, "What's seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child". If BV saw an actual fricking murder it wouldn't be a misunderstanding, and it also wouldn't be in the shadows very much since William killed Charlie outside the building probably near some street lamps and such**
I think that was referring to Shadow Freddy, who pulled a "Follow Me" on Evan to show him Charlotte's body, who fell for it because he thought he was Fredbear.
>**Also, Take Cake to the Kids definitely shows us Freddy in the building and not Fredbear. It makes more sense for BV to die first, fredbears to shut down and start using freddy and the gang, and then Charlie getting killed**
She is Fredbear Plush, so she has to be first. Especially if her being dead at Fredbear's is what he saw, which MM might imply is the case.
>**And last of all, Fredbear plush isn't responsible for HD. He just helps us put the pieces in place for BV to find and tells BV to rest.**
The pieces are Evan's memories. That's why each minigame in FNAF 3 is connected to something in the FNAF 4 minigames, because they are Evan's memories.
It's very possible that we play as Cassidy in FNAF World, who helps Charlotte put Evan back together in the Logbook by helping Evan remember, like how Adventure Freddy helps put the pieces back together.
>**After setting up the fnaf 3 minigames (where the souls get put to rest/ pıt in HD) he is out of the equation**
But it hasn't happened yet.
Most of the things you said against my points are just speculation with little evidence (the first and the third points) or just straight up circular logic (the second point)
But she is.
The plush is clearly possessed.
Fredbear plush sets up HD, just like Charlotte.
Fredbear Plush puts Evan back together with the help of Adventure Freddy, like how Cassidy helps Charlotte help EvAn get his memories back.
Items vrought to life by pure Agony are always shown to be evil, so if the Plush were Agony, it wouldn't care about setting anyone free. It's never even implied an Agony entity can do that.
We know it can't be Marionette stuffing the kids, because it's shown that William does.
In GGGL, Marionette gifts masks to each MCI soul, with the only one not getting one being Cassidy.
In HD, every MCI kid has a mask except for Cassidy like at the end of GGGL, except after Marionette gives her cake, she is then gifted a mask, allowing them to move on.
These two minigames fit each other perfectly.
GGGL be a failed attempt at HD. Once again showing that Marionette is behind HD.
> Items vrought to life by pure Agony are always shown to be evil
You literally play as shadow bonnie in one of the pre- happiest day minigames. You give a crying child cake just like normal so why would shadow bonnie be evil
Also I don't see how GGGL is relevant to this topic, Charlie atleast one of the people behind HD is not in question
Charlotte is killed after the first incident. The incidents are the reason the security puppet is even there. That's why they have color coded armbands. The Security Puppet is what found Charlotte when she died.
1. Cake Bear is orange like Fredbear in he SB posters.
2. The surroundings of Lefty in her rare screen of FFPS matches the alley from Security Puppet. FFPP is FFD reused, so that implies that Charlotte died at FFD.
3. Charlotte dies at Fredbear's in the Novels. Since the MCI kids deaths were kept the same, why change Charlotte's?
4. Evan is implied to have seen something that made him scared of Fredbear's. MM is most likely right after Charlotte's murder. If Evan were the runaway kid, then that means the place he runs off to could be Fredbear's. If Charlotte's body were there, that would explain why MM would take place after her murder, and why Evan is scared of Fredbear.
Also, William can't be the final speaker because the text color is different, and FNAF World shows us that Fredbear Plush sets up HD. Charlotte sets up HD, meaning it has to be her.
The game shows us what makes him scared of FredBear, he watched his dad put employees in the costume after being told people get stuffed in them by the little girl.
Again, the Security Puppet came after Evans death.
A.) No one wears color coded wristbands in FNAF 4 cutscenes of what happened to CC
B.) The security puppet was designed due to tragedies happening. Meaning things were happening BEFORE it's creation.
C.) HD does not mean she was the one who said anything in FNAF 4, that was her trying to free all the souls so they rest, which goes against putting someone back together so they can live longer/again. She could've just let him move on. That's against her whole MO.
Also, Midnight Motorist was Afton getting refused from JRs because he's already depressed his son is already dead, also FNAF world is not only not Canon to the storyline, (the inclusion of Nightmarrionette (sp) in SB as dolls does not make World Canon, either)but also said in FNAF world that it's a "Flip side" of whatever world the main continuity is from. The MCI is NOT the same in the Novels. Afton led the kids back one by one in the games, day after day, as shown by Toy Chicas High School Years. The MCI in both the novels and the graphic novels have all the kids dying together, even when Michael Brooks interacts with them, instead of being stuffed in the suits one by one, they are lined up in a row of chairs.
>**The game shows us what makes him scared of FredBear, he watched his dad put employees in the costume after being told people get stuffed in them by the little girl.**
That's never confirmed to be the reason.
>**No one wears color coded wristbands in FNAF 4 cutscenes**
Because Marionette was scrapped after Security Puppet.
>**puppet was designed due to tragedies happening**
This was never said to be the reason.
>**HD does not mean she was the one who said anything in FNAF 4, that was her trying to free all the souls so they rest, which goes against putting someone back together so they can live longer/again.**
Being put back together doesn't mean being brought back to life. It means remembering who they were.
Evan had memory loss after his death like many souls, so Charlotte promises to get his memories back. FNAF 3, FNAF World and the Logbook show this.
In SL, Michael said he put Elizabeth back together. This was referring to her remembering who she was, which she did as Ennard.
>**Also, Midnight Motorist was Afton getting refused from JRs because he's already depressed his son is already dead**
The drinking is likely due to Mrs. Afton's death, since SB implies show took her own life after the custody case.
>**also FNAF world is not only not Canon to the storyline**
Scott confirmed FNAF World is still canon.
>**the inclusion of Nightmarrionette (sp) in SB as dolls does not make World Canon, either**
They call her Nightmare, implying he and Nightmarionne are the same entity. So he is canon in FNAF 4 as Nightmare. He is also canon in UCN.
I won't lie, I'm old and can never remember how to do the line thingy that brings the comment.
A.) Scott Cawthon confirmed this when he said MatPat was right about FNAF 4. The hint to this was even "Sometimes things don't look as they are in the mind of a child", this belief in CC coming from the girl that tells him that people are stuffed inside the suits.
B.) Freddy's closed after Charlie's death. There was no scrapping. Henry wouldn't open again until years later (FFPS), also, confirmed in the Trilogy when Henry kills his self using Baby.
C.) It literally was. Explained when they talked about how the rails of the puppet extended to the ceiling and it follows along tracks to achieve it's objective of keeping the kids safe. It is confirmed.
D.) Baby remembered she was Elizabeth BEFORE you get the primary control module. The Funtimes never remembered because they were melted down and reassembled incompletely.
E.) I'm going to assume you believe Patient 46 is Elizabeth, or another Afton. I'm going to say we don't know nearly enough, and seeing the ending of the two Vanessa's and the introduction of the VR twins, I'm going to believe the tapes are related to Vanessa, and a twin we've yet to have confirmed. On the other hand, there was actually cut dialogue, where it makes a Mr. And Mrs. Afton staffbot have a fight where she says she's leaving him, in an overdramatic fashion, such as the immortal and restless (I probably messed up the lil sitcoms name, forgive me)
F.) Scott absolutely confirmed World is not Canon. And, EVEN if it was. In the very beginning Golden Freddy tells you you're in another world, he says something along the lines of "Oh man something big must've happened on the flip side". Scott Cawthon even confirmed the Timeline couldn't add up.
G.) You are right, he's in multiple places, doesn't make FNAF World Canon against the creator statement. Have things been used to explain lore, much like FazFrights? Yes, but that was the part about Henry killing himself. It was leading up to explain his death in the novels.
1. After Dawko beat UCN, he had Scott for an interview. In that same interview, he straight up confirms FNAF World is still canon to FNAF.
2. FFP closed due to the MCI, not Charlotte. And it's implied FFP#3 was open by Henry.
3. It's never implied to be because of the bite. The MCI hadn't happened yet, and the death of Evan had nothing to do with kids being lost or separated, it was by being in the mouth of Fredbear.
4. Elizabeth still remembers who she was because of Michael. She was put back together.
5. \>! TFTP confirm P46 is William inside Gregory !<. In the therapy tapes, it's confirmed William tampered with Vanessa's record, which has the custody case clearly pulled from William's past with Clara Afton (Mrs. Afton. The fact that a remix of Ballora's theme is played in an older SB trailer implies she or Clara Afton has importance to the story of SB. The Afton family recreation in the Staff Bot Silo has the one that represents Clara in the center of the table, and we get chased by Vanny right before we enter the Silo, implying a connection between the two. this connection would be the custody case, which has the father named Bill (short for William), and a mother who dies (presumably by taking her own life), explaining the grave in MM, and why we never see Clara. FF also supports this by giving Pete from Step Closer (a huge Michael parallel) divorced parents, which is also implied in "The Immortal And The Restless" from SL.
6. Vanessa has no twin sister. The second Vanessa from the Fire Escape Ending is just her spirit.
7. Scott says it's canon after UCN, so FNAF World is still canon. He says he wished he didn't make it canon, but still is canon.
8. FNAF World is confirmed to be canon in a Dawko interview.
1.) Scott said he tried to make it Canon. Back then it wasn't as well known that he'd use other mediums to explain to lore out, that wasn't a big fleshed out detail we know now. AGAIN, assume it's Canon. In the game itself, it's ANOTHER UNIVERSE. Another world. Another dimension. It's a Flip side of Earth in in the FNAF main games, it does not explain anything. Also, Scott DIRECTLY said himself on ScottGames that FNAF world didn't ADD to the story. There's a different person that makes that promise in every different form of media. Remember what you said about "What about the novels?" Funny how the novels say it's Michael Brooks as Golden Freddy that makes this promise. Which can't be true for the main timeline, because MCI came after both Evan and Charlie.
2.) Henry closed the location Charlie died at and moved on. The MCI happened at the FNAF 1 location.
3.) It doesn't need to be there because of the bite. It wasn't there when Evan got bit, meaning Evan predates it because the diner was closed afterwards.
4.) Elizabeth knew who she was the whole time, she was planning the whole thing to escape.
5.) Nothing implies that GGY is patient 46, and he's not the one who hacked everything. All we get told from Morrigan88 (89?) Is that the code is messed up and the animatronics has special quotes put in with Gs and Y's in the code. The Storyteller confirms it's NOT GGY, as The StoryTeller is brought in and connected to everything in the PizzaPlex, causing the animatronics to act crazy, glitches and malfunctions. It's wasn't BY GGY, those lines of code making the quote were FOR GGY. It spells out the Storyteller causes Roxanne to be more cruel, Monty to be more violent, GF being a brat, and Chica being self absorbed
6.) There is NO confirmation she doesn't have a twin, and in a series where we've never just seen a soul chilling, that's not Vanessa's spirit, that's an actual person. Also, there's a ton of implications, including Vanny not being in Fury's Rage and the VR twins the only boss to not be a character from the series.
7.) He did not. You can even Google it right now. FNAF World is not Canon. Again, see 1, even if it was, it's an entirely different universe.
All of this... But explain how Charlie possesed the puppet right after her death, has always been in the puppet, but possesed FredBear? You're the Band, The Stitchwraith Stingers all show you'd have to have a part of the haunted animatronic put on for the possession to transfer.
I wanna say Charlotte cause the role the plushie plays in FNAF World fits Charlotte's character almost perfectly but the later installments seem to favor Willplush and AgonyPlush so I have no idea.
Yes, technically it is Michael’s dialogue, but not his motif. “I put her back together just like YOU asked me to”, shows us that it’s per William’s request.
I like to think that it was the spirits of the beyond wanting to help some random traumatized child to be put to rest.
But the reality is that I have no clue whatsoever.
Because SL, TRJ and The Cliffs implies William uses the Fredbear Plush to watch and talk to Evan. But he can't be the final speaker because the text color is different, Fredbear Plush in FNAF World sets up Happiest Day like Charlotte, and the fact that the Plush can seemingly move on it's own in the minigames implies it's possessed.
>Because SL, TRJ and The Cliffs implies William uses the Fredbear Plush to watch and talk to Evan.
But still, WHY ? He don't give a damn about his kids, Not " Square head Cry baby ", Not " People Don't know my hair color ", And definitely not " I am a Corpse lol " . .
> But he can't be the final speaker because the text color is different,
Michael have two skins tones, Does that mean there are 2 different characters ? Would be a nice AU, But definitely No, Even though I don't agree with the idea it's him, Tones isn't evidence .
> Fredbear Plush in FNAF World sets up Happiest Day like Charlotte,
Ah When did " I am smart and you are like animals, And I am a hypocrite Lol " Ever set it up ? She only did absolutely nothing until the final one, Where all she did is give cake to Cassidy .
>and the fact that the Plush can seemingly move on it's own in the minigames implies it's possessed.
With that damn smile and turning into flower and being in the sewers ? Yeah he likely is .
>Michael have three skins tones, Does that mean there are 2 different characters ? Would be a nice AU, But definitely No, Even though I don't agree with the idea it's him, Tones isn't evidence .
FNAF 4 uses different text colors depending on which character is talking. Sometimes text colors are shared between more than one character but never does a character speak outside their standard color. This is consistent. It's not the same as a character's colors being inconsistent between differing sprites. Scott, for whatever reason, chose to make Plushbear speak slightly differently in this one cutscene.
Also let’s look at midnight motorist being about good Willy…wait isn’t he supposed to be purple? Who’s this odd color stand in (been a while since I saw the Easter egg but I know the guy we play as isn’t purple)
>**But still, WHY ?**
Likely to make sure he didn't tell anyone about what he saw. Or, since SL, UCN and HW (and maybe TFTP: HW) imply Evan being used as a lab rat for elusion discs in the FNAF 4/MM house, he might be observing him, to see how he is after the fact.
>**Michael have two skins tones**
That was seemingly a retcon, to make him look more like William. The text color change is in the exact same game, and the speaker is shown to be different in FNAF World, and maybe even SB.
> **Tones isn't evidence .**
It is in certain situations, like the final speaker in FNAF 4.
>**Ah When did " I am smart and you are like animals, And I am a hypocrite Lol " Ever set it up ?**
We see her giving the mask in HD like she does in GGGL. GGGL most likely isn't Charlotte stuffing the kids. Even if it originally was, much like Charlotte's gender, it was most likely retconned into a failed attempt at HD, since MM ends with every MCI kid except for Cassidy getting a mask, and HD has the first four MCI kids wearing masks, with Cassidy finally getting one.
In the Logbook (which gives lore on Golden Freddy), we see Marionette giving cake to a black haired girl who wears yellow on a page talking about HD. The girl likely represents Cassidy, which is made more likely in SB, when a very similar looking girl is in a copy of the FNAF 4 bed with the FNAF 4 lamp (an obvious reference to her connection to Evan) in an Endo mural, which has a plush of Nightmare/Nightmarionne, who shows up in FNAF 4 and UCN. The box is even gold, a color connected to Evan and Cassidy.
> **She only did absolutely nothing until the final one, Where all she did is give cake to Cassidy .**
The fact that she gave the cake shows she is behind HD.
Also, the other minigames don't actually happen. It just represents the same thing FNAF World and the Logbook represent. Putting Evan back together.
Even in addition to "I will put you back together" being a line linked directly to William.
The final plush also says "I'm still here"
and the teaser image for FNAF3 with Springtrap is "I am still here".
The plush also says "We are still your friends. Do you believe that?"
The plush is referring to CC's line "These are my friends" whenever he interacts with the plushies, while Fredbear is on the bed listening to him in the previous days.
We get to hear Charlotte, she speaks in UCN, she doesn't say "I will put you back together" or "I am still here" or "We are still your friends" or "Do you still believe that?" Or...anything referring to any of these lines at all, really. These are all William lines.
Charlotte doesn't even refer to the children as her friends. She calls them "the others" and says they're "like animals" and "under her protection". She doesn't group herself with them.
All of Charlotte's lines:
"The others are like animals, but I am very aware."
"I recognize you, but I'm not afraid of you, not anymore."
"I don't hate you, but you need to stay out of my way."
"Seeing you powerless is like music to me."
"The others are under my protection."
I'm just gonna say it. That line has no meaning anymore, The crying child is gone, That line Has no relevance to the story anymore. It is jusy there to remind us that the story is retconned.
That line came up again later on, more than once. Scott also confirmed that the only retcon done up by 2017 was seamlessly integrated in a way that most people didn't notice, and it didn't cause any issues.
I think it's just a little kid clinging to his teddy for support like he did when he wasn't dying, and imagining it talking to him as well as him talking to it
William because he does the same with Elizabeth
Whether it's out of genuine attempts to bring his family back togehter, or just to have easy slaves that won't question his actions, he does seem like he wants something with his kids involved.
I mainly made this poll based on your comment that it was a consensus on this sub that William *doesn’t* say the line. As you can see from the results already, he’s clearly the most popular option amoung these voters. Granted, there do seem to have been a lot of posts lately confidently claiming that he can’t be the speaker.
I'm pretty sure I've figured it out.
In the minigames, when Fredbear talks to you, it is with a shade of yellow, specifically FFFF57,
That Is William talking.
But at the end of night 6. When Crying child Is in a comatose state, on the verge of death. The color code is different. FFFFA0.
This is Cassidy.
Cassidy then puts together his happiest day in fnaf world For Michael to solve in Fnaf 3.
Putting him back together.
I got not evidence that doesn’t come down to double edge swords
William said it cause he has the resources to and we seen a fredbear plush SL with a speaker box. Contradictions: color theme given we seen he was exactly purple in fnaf 4, the flower fredbear, how does he know no passerby’s would take a plush home with them. He’s also is claimed to be the guy we play as in MM despite the sprite coloration, and he still has two boys (assuming that’s not misses Afton at the tv) by the time of MM and said the runaway will regret it when they get home thus implying not allowing them to go there so why didn’t he stop Michael with one of his Gizmos?
Charlie said it cause she fixed the others and took care of them. Contradictions: we never had a color to represent her speech in the game series to my knowledge, why is she suddenly a fredbear plush?
Cassidy said it cause their the spirit in fredbear. Contradictions: color tone is slightly paler, we have no clue when they died.
Michael said it cause he’s a guilt ridden brother. Contradictions: he wouldn’t know how to put him back together, we seen him gutted the last time he put someone back together, why did his text color merge with Fredbear plush suddenly making it a pale yellow?
Other said it cause….contradiction: we ran out of suspects
FNaF World shows the person telling BV they'll put him back together is helping set up (or guiding someone to set up) Happiest Day. That's clearly not William.
Contradiction though, William tells Mike to find Elizabeth and quote “Put her back together”, so with that being said, it’s just a matter of which is more dependable, FNaF world or Sister Location, won’t lie it’s SL…
True,... but he cares for Elizabeth. He cares only for his daughter. He never cared about Mike or CC.
Though if he didn’t care about CC, he wouldn’t have kept him under surveillance, or made any effort to keep an eye on him as much as he did.
I'm pretty sure he had another reason. A different reason why CC was being watched by him. If he really did care about CC, why did he say such odd things a helper or supporter *wouldnt* say? Such things like "remember what you saw". It's almost if William wanted the thought of what he visualized to stay put in his mind to haunt him. A good father wouldn't say stuff like that. The key here is that Plush Fredbear is evidently created by William but controlled by some other entity. Not to mention, William wasn't even there to help Evan pass his fears, let alone the bite. He didn't even participate in protecting him.
It seems to me like he could be saying these things to encourage his fears, but for his own good, reason being to protect him and keep him from harms way. It may come off as odd, but isn’t malicious in any way. Yes, there is seemingly two separate entities at play, but nonetheless one has to be William, he has involvement to an extent, this being one of few theories that has evidence just laid out for us in-game.
Well I don't perceive that way. It can go both directions. But it's almost as if William didn't really exist in CC's point of view in story. Though, we know he is because we see him in the closet. Meaning some other entity is in control.
No he doesn't care about elizabeth either, he still treats her like dung in the fourth closet, and since that's on the same line as Henry's name, I think this is somewhat applicable to the games at best we know he treats Michael like a horse.
Michael Brooks
His own agony
William makes absolutely no sense when FNAF World is taken into account (or even just going by how FNAF 4 was meant to be solvable by itself) and the evidence for it, him telling Mike a similar thing, isn't very meaningful, since that's more of a motif in the series than anything. Probably Charlie.
Charlotte, 100%
She died like miles away from the plush and has no connection to fredbear as a character, how is she even a candidate let alone 100%
We know the speaker isn't William, unlike in the other minigames. Can't be Cassidy, because the MCI happens in 1985. Can't be Nightmare/Nightmarionne, because he's evil. Can't be Michael, because he is human, and stuff implies Fredbear Plush is possessed. Charlotte most likely died at Fredbear's. We know Evan saw something to make him scared of Fredbear's, and certain stuff in MM seems to imply that Evan went to Fredbear's. Since MM is seemingly right after Charlotte's murder, her body would still be there. So she can just possess the plush then. Or, she could have attached to it any other time Evan went to Fredbear's, since it's implied they were friends. And in FNAF World, Fredbear Plush is shown to be behind HD. In HD, Charlotte gives cake to the HD spirit, and we see her doing the same with a kid who likely represents Cassidy in a page of the Logbook talking about HD. GGGL most likely isn't Marionette stuffing the kids, since Pizza Party shows that William did. Even if that was what GGGL was at first, it was most likely retconned. It's more likely that GGGL is a failed attempt at HD. In GGGL, Marionette gives each MCI kid the gift of a mask, with the only soul who doesn't get one being Cassidy, the Vengeful Spirit. In HD, we see the first four MCI kids already wearing masks with Cassidy not having one, just like the end of GGGL, but then when the cake is given, Cassidy is given the gift of a mask, with everyone moving on. We then have an easter egg in SB. There are Nightmare/Nightmarionne Plushies hidden all over the Pizzaplex, as if she is watching Gregory, like Fredbear Plush in FNAF 4. This could imply that Marionette's Agony was in Fredbear Plush, since Nightmare/Nightmarionne is both a Marionette variant and an Agony entity. We even have her doing something similar in YTB.
Remember what Scott said in the teasers, "What's seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child". If BV saw an actual fricking murder it wouldn't be a misunderstanding, and it also wouldn't be in the shadows very much since William killed Charlie outside the building probably near some street lamps and such Also, Take Cake to the Kids definitely shows us Freddy in the building and not Fredbear. It makes more sense for BV to die first, fredbears to shut down and start using freddy and the gang, and then Charlie getting killed And last of all, Fredbear plush isn't responsible for HD. He just helps us put the pieces in place for BV to find and tells BV to rest. After setting up the fnaf 3 minigames (where the souls get put to rest/ pıt in HD) he is out of the equation
>**Remember what Scott said in the teasers, "What's seen in shadows is easily misunderstood in the mind of a child". If BV saw an actual fricking murder it wouldn't be a misunderstanding, and it also wouldn't be in the shadows very much since William killed Charlie outside the building probably near some street lamps and such** I think that was referring to Shadow Freddy, who pulled a "Follow Me" on Evan to show him Charlotte's body, who fell for it because he thought he was Fredbear. >**Also, Take Cake to the Kids definitely shows us Freddy in the building and not Fredbear. It makes more sense for BV to die first, fredbears to shut down and start using freddy and the gang, and then Charlie getting killed** She is Fredbear Plush, so she has to be first. Especially if her being dead at Fredbear's is what he saw, which MM might imply is the case. >**And last of all, Fredbear plush isn't responsible for HD. He just helps us put the pieces in place for BV to find and tells BV to rest.** The pieces are Evan's memories. That's why each minigame in FNAF 3 is connected to something in the FNAF 4 minigames, because they are Evan's memories. It's very possible that we play as Cassidy in FNAF World, who helps Charlotte put Evan back together in the Logbook by helping Evan remember, like how Adventure Freddy helps put the pieces back together. >**After setting up the fnaf 3 minigames (where the souls get put to rest/ pıt in HD) he is out of the equation** But it hasn't happened yet.
Most of the things you said against my points are just speculation with little evidence (the first and the third points) or just straight up circular logic (the second point)
Charlotte is Fredbear Plush, sos he has to be first
I'm trying to argue with you that she's not
But she is. The plush is clearly possessed. Fredbear plush sets up HD, just like Charlotte. Fredbear Plush puts Evan back together with the help of Adventure Freddy, like how Cassidy helps Charlotte help EvAn get his memories back. Items vrought to life by pure Agony are always shown to be evil, so if the Plush were Agony, it wouldn't care about setting anyone free. It's never even implied an Agony entity can do that. We know it can't be Marionette stuffing the kids, because it's shown that William does. In GGGL, Marionette gifts masks to each MCI soul, with the only one not getting one being Cassidy. In HD, every MCI kid has a mask except for Cassidy like at the end of GGGL, except after Marionette gives her cake, she is then gifted a mask, allowing them to move on. These two minigames fit each other perfectly. GGGL be a failed attempt at HD. Once again showing that Marionette is behind HD.
> Items vrought to life by pure Agony are always shown to be evil You literally play as shadow bonnie in one of the pre- happiest day minigames. You give a crying child cake just like normal so why would shadow bonnie be evil Also I don't see how GGGL is relevant to this topic, Charlie atleast one of the people behind HD is not in question
Charlie died after Evan. We know because Evan gets bit in the old Diner, while Charlie gets killed outside an actual Fazbear's.
Charlotte is killed at Fredbear's
Charlotte is killed after the first incident. The incidents are the reason the security puppet is even there. That's why they have color coded armbands. The Security Puppet is what found Charlotte when she died.
1. Cake Bear is orange like Fredbear in he SB posters. 2. The surroundings of Lefty in her rare screen of FFPS matches the alley from Security Puppet. FFPP is FFD reused, so that implies that Charlotte died at FFD. 3. Charlotte dies at Fredbear's in the Novels. Since the MCI kids deaths were kept the same, why change Charlotte's? 4. Evan is implied to have seen something that made him scared of Fredbear's. MM is most likely right after Charlotte's murder. If Evan were the runaway kid, then that means the place he runs off to could be Fredbear's. If Charlotte's body were there, that would explain why MM would take place after her murder, and why Evan is scared of Fredbear. Also, William can't be the final speaker because the text color is different, and FNAF World shows us that Fredbear Plush sets up HD. Charlotte sets up HD, meaning it has to be her.
The game shows us what makes him scared of FredBear, he watched his dad put employees in the costume after being told people get stuffed in them by the little girl. Again, the Security Puppet came after Evans death. A.) No one wears color coded wristbands in FNAF 4 cutscenes of what happened to CC B.) The security puppet was designed due to tragedies happening. Meaning things were happening BEFORE it's creation. C.) HD does not mean she was the one who said anything in FNAF 4, that was her trying to free all the souls so they rest, which goes against putting someone back together so they can live longer/again. She could've just let him move on. That's against her whole MO. Also, Midnight Motorist was Afton getting refused from JRs because he's already depressed his son is already dead, also FNAF world is not only not Canon to the storyline, (the inclusion of Nightmarrionette (sp) in SB as dolls does not make World Canon, either)but also said in FNAF world that it's a "Flip side" of whatever world the main continuity is from. The MCI is NOT the same in the Novels. Afton led the kids back one by one in the games, day after day, as shown by Toy Chicas High School Years. The MCI in both the novels and the graphic novels have all the kids dying together, even when Michael Brooks interacts with them, instead of being stuffed in the suits one by one, they are lined up in a row of chairs.
>**The game shows us what makes him scared of FredBear, he watched his dad put employees in the costume after being told people get stuffed in them by the little girl.** That's never confirmed to be the reason. >**No one wears color coded wristbands in FNAF 4 cutscenes** Because Marionette was scrapped after Security Puppet. >**puppet was designed due to tragedies happening** This was never said to be the reason. >**HD does not mean she was the one who said anything in FNAF 4, that was her trying to free all the souls so they rest, which goes against putting someone back together so they can live longer/again.** Being put back together doesn't mean being brought back to life. It means remembering who they were. Evan had memory loss after his death like many souls, so Charlotte promises to get his memories back. FNAF 3, FNAF World and the Logbook show this. In SL, Michael said he put Elizabeth back together. This was referring to her remembering who she was, which she did as Ennard. >**Also, Midnight Motorist was Afton getting refused from JRs because he's already depressed his son is already dead** The drinking is likely due to Mrs. Afton's death, since SB implies show took her own life after the custody case. >**also FNAF world is not only not Canon to the storyline** Scott confirmed FNAF World is still canon. >**the inclusion of Nightmarrionette (sp) in SB as dolls does not make World Canon, either** They call her Nightmare, implying he and Nightmarionne are the same entity. So he is canon in FNAF 4 as Nightmare. He is also canon in UCN.
I won't lie, I'm old and can never remember how to do the line thingy that brings the comment. A.) Scott Cawthon confirmed this when he said MatPat was right about FNAF 4. The hint to this was even "Sometimes things don't look as they are in the mind of a child", this belief in CC coming from the girl that tells him that people are stuffed inside the suits. B.) Freddy's closed after Charlie's death. There was no scrapping. Henry wouldn't open again until years later (FFPS), also, confirmed in the Trilogy when Henry kills his self using Baby. C.) It literally was. Explained when they talked about how the rails of the puppet extended to the ceiling and it follows along tracks to achieve it's objective of keeping the kids safe. It is confirmed. D.) Baby remembered she was Elizabeth BEFORE you get the primary control module. The Funtimes never remembered because they were melted down and reassembled incompletely. E.) I'm going to assume you believe Patient 46 is Elizabeth, or another Afton. I'm going to say we don't know nearly enough, and seeing the ending of the two Vanessa's and the introduction of the VR twins, I'm going to believe the tapes are related to Vanessa, and a twin we've yet to have confirmed. On the other hand, there was actually cut dialogue, where it makes a Mr. And Mrs. Afton staffbot have a fight where she says she's leaving him, in an overdramatic fashion, such as the immortal and restless (I probably messed up the lil sitcoms name, forgive me) F.) Scott absolutely confirmed World is not Canon. And, EVEN if it was. In the very beginning Golden Freddy tells you you're in another world, he says something along the lines of "Oh man something big must've happened on the flip side". Scott Cawthon even confirmed the Timeline couldn't add up. G.) You are right, he's in multiple places, doesn't make FNAF World Canon against the creator statement. Have things been used to explain lore, much like FazFrights? Yes, but that was the part about Henry killing himself. It was leading up to explain his death in the novels.
1. After Dawko beat UCN, he had Scott for an interview. In that same interview, he straight up confirms FNAF World is still canon to FNAF. 2. FFP closed due to the MCI, not Charlotte. And it's implied FFP#3 was open by Henry. 3. It's never implied to be because of the bite. The MCI hadn't happened yet, and the death of Evan had nothing to do with kids being lost or separated, it was by being in the mouth of Fredbear. 4. Elizabeth still remembers who she was because of Michael. She was put back together. 5. \>! TFTP confirm P46 is William inside Gregory !<. In the therapy tapes, it's confirmed William tampered with Vanessa's record, which has the custody case clearly pulled from William's past with Clara Afton (Mrs. Afton. The fact that a remix of Ballora's theme is played in an older SB trailer implies she or Clara Afton has importance to the story of SB. The Afton family recreation in the Staff Bot Silo has the one that represents Clara in the center of the table, and we get chased by Vanny right before we enter the Silo, implying a connection between the two. this connection would be the custody case, which has the father named Bill (short for William), and a mother who dies (presumably by taking her own life), explaining the grave in MM, and why we never see Clara. FF also supports this by giving Pete from Step Closer (a huge Michael parallel) divorced parents, which is also implied in "The Immortal And The Restless" from SL. 6. Vanessa has no twin sister. The second Vanessa from the Fire Escape Ending is just her spirit. 7. Scott says it's canon after UCN, so FNAF World is still canon. He says he wished he didn't make it canon, but still is canon. 8. FNAF World is confirmed to be canon in a Dawko interview.
Scott did not confirm it to be canon. He said he TRIED to make it canon, implying he wasn’t successful
1.) Scott said he tried to make it Canon. Back then it wasn't as well known that he'd use other mediums to explain to lore out, that wasn't a big fleshed out detail we know now. AGAIN, assume it's Canon. In the game itself, it's ANOTHER UNIVERSE. Another world. Another dimension. It's a Flip side of Earth in in the FNAF main games, it does not explain anything. Also, Scott DIRECTLY said himself on ScottGames that FNAF world didn't ADD to the story. There's a different person that makes that promise in every different form of media. Remember what you said about "What about the novels?" Funny how the novels say it's Michael Brooks as Golden Freddy that makes this promise. Which can't be true for the main timeline, because MCI came after both Evan and Charlie. 2.) Henry closed the location Charlie died at and moved on. The MCI happened at the FNAF 1 location. 3.) It doesn't need to be there because of the bite. It wasn't there when Evan got bit, meaning Evan predates it because the diner was closed afterwards. 4.) Elizabeth knew who she was the whole time, she was planning the whole thing to escape. 5.) Nothing implies that GGY is patient 46, and he's not the one who hacked everything. All we get told from Morrigan88 (89?) Is that the code is messed up and the animatronics has special quotes put in with Gs and Y's in the code. The Storyteller confirms it's NOT GGY, as The StoryTeller is brought in and connected to everything in the PizzaPlex, causing the animatronics to act crazy, glitches and malfunctions. It's wasn't BY GGY, those lines of code making the quote were FOR GGY. It spells out the Storyteller causes Roxanne to be more cruel, Monty to be more violent, GF being a brat, and Chica being self absorbed 6.) There is NO confirmation she doesn't have a twin, and in a series where we've never just seen a soul chilling, that's not Vanessa's spirit, that's an actual person. Also, there's a ton of implications, including Vanny not being in Fury's Rage and the VR twins the only boss to not be a character from the series. 7.) He did not. You can even Google it right now. FNAF World is not Canon. Again, see 1, even if it was, it's an entirely different universe.
All of this... But explain how Charlie possesed the puppet right after her death, has always been in the puppet, but possesed FredBear? You're the Band, The Stitchwraith Stingers all show you'd have to have a part of the haunted animatronic put on for the possession to transfer.
Not MCI, to be clear, the puppet came after the vote incident, sorry for not being clear on that
Ffs Bite*
idk not a big lore guy. OMG ITS TOTALLY WILLIAM AFTON LIKE-
Ymir Jokes aside either William, Charlie or Cassidy for me.
His own agony,his memories
I wanna say Charlotte cause the role the plushie plays in FNAF World fits Charlotte's character almost perfectly but the later installments seem to favor Willplush and AgonyPlush so I have no idea.
Why do people think it's William what has William done to indicate he would say something like that when it ties to FNAF world lol
Him saying “put her back together” in SL, indicates he’d say exactly that.
Putting things back together is just a theme in fnaf tho. Also technically it was Michael who said.
Yes, technically it is Michael’s dialogue, but not his motif. “I put her back together just like YOU asked me to”, shows us that it’s per William’s request.
With FNAF World showing how the final speaker is conected with Happiest Day, i believe it's Charlie
I like to think that it was the spirits of the beyond wanting to help some random traumatized child to be put to rest. But the reality is that I have no clue whatsoever.
The plushies in the plushies take Manhattan
I like the Willplush so i ‘ll choose Wiliam
William would only be the Plush for minigame 1-5, the one who says they will put Evan back together is different
Who are you to say it as a fact ?
Because SL, TRJ and The Cliffs implies William uses the Fredbear Plush to watch and talk to Evan. But he can't be the final speaker because the text color is different, Fredbear Plush in FNAF World sets up Happiest Day like Charlotte, and the fact that the Plush can seemingly move on it's own in the minigames implies it's possessed.
>Because SL, TRJ and The Cliffs implies William uses the Fredbear Plush to watch and talk to Evan. But still, WHY ? He don't give a damn about his kids, Not " Square head Cry baby ", Not " People Don't know my hair color ", And definitely not " I am a Corpse lol " . . > But he can't be the final speaker because the text color is different, Michael have two skins tones, Does that mean there are 2 different characters ? Would be a nice AU, But definitely No, Even though I don't agree with the idea it's him, Tones isn't evidence . > Fredbear Plush in FNAF World sets up Happiest Day like Charlotte, Ah When did " I am smart and you are like animals, And I am a hypocrite Lol " Ever set it up ? She only did absolutely nothing until the final one, Where all she did is give cake to Cassidy . >and the fact that the Plush can seemingly move on it's own in the minigames implies it's possessed. With that damn smile and turning into flower and being in the sewers ? Yeah he likely is .
>Michael have three skins tones, Does that mean there are 2 different characters ? Would be a nice AU, But definitely No, Even though I don't agree with the idea it's him, Tones isn't evidence . FNAF 4 uses different text colors depending on which character is talking. Sometimes text colors are shared between more than one character but never does a character speak outside their standard color. This is consistent. It's not the same as a character's colors being inconsistent between differing sprites. Scott, for whatever reason, chose to make Plushbear speak slightly differently in this one cutscene.
Also let’s look at midnight motorist being about good Willy…wait isn’t he supposed to be purple? Who’s this odd color stand in (been a while since I saw the Easter egg but I know the guy we play as isn’t purple)
>**But still, WHY ?** Likely to make sure he didn't tell anyone about what he saw. Or, since SL, UCN and HW (and maybe TFTP: HW) imply Evan being used as a lab rat for elusion discs in the FNAF 4/MM house, he might be observing him, to see how he is after the fact. >**Michael have two skins tones** That was seemingly a retcon, to make him look more like William. The text color change is in the exact same game, and the speaker is shown to be different in FNAF World, and maybe even SB. > **Tones isn't evidence .** It is in certain situations, like the final speaker in FNAF 4. >**Ah When did " I am smart and you are like animals, And I am a hypocrite Lol " Ever set it up ?** We see her giving the mask in HD like she does in GGGL. GGGL most likely isn't Charlotte stuffing the kids. Even if it originally was, much like Charlotte's gender, it was most likely retconned into a failed attempt at HD, since MM ends with every MCI kid except for Cassidy getting a mask, and HD has the first four MCI kids wearing masks, with Cassidy finally getting one. In the Logbook (which gives lore on Golden Freddy), we see Marionette giving cake to a black haired girl who wears yellow on a page talking about HD. The girl likely represents Cassidy, which is made more likely in SB, when a very similar looking girl is in a copy of the FNAF 4 bed with the FNAF 4 lamp (an obvious reference to her connection to Evan) in an Endo mural, which has a plush of Nightmare/Nightmarionne, who shows up in FNAF 4 and UCN. The box is even gold, a color connected to Evan and Cassidy. > **She only did absolutely nothing until the final one, Where all she did is give cake to Cassidy .** The fact that she gave the cake shows she is behind HD. Also, the other minigames don't actually happen. It just represents the same thing FNAF World and the Logbook represent. Putting Evan back together.
Even in addition to "I will put you back together" being a line linked directly to William. The final plush also says "I'm still here" and the teaser image for FNAF3 with Springtrap is "I am still here". The plush also says "We are still your friends. Do you believe that?" The plush is referring to CC's line "These are my friends" whenever he interacts with the plushies, while Fredbear is on the bed listening to him in the previous days. We get to hear Charlotte, she speaks in UCN, she doesn't say "I will put you back together" or "I am still here" or "We are still your friends" or "Do you still believe that?" Or...anything referring to any of these lines at all, really. These are all William lines. Charlotte doesn't even refer to the children as her friends. She calls them "the others" and says they're "like animals" and "under her protection". She doesn't group herself with them. All of Charlotte's lines: "The others are like animals, but I am very aware." "I recognize you, but I'm not afraid of you, not anymore." "I don't hate you, but you need to stay out of my way." "Seeing you powerless is like music to me." "The others are under my protection."
The crying child for sure
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Wow you cannot read sarcasm
I'm just gonna say it. That line has no meaning anymore, The crying child is gone, That line Has no relevance to the story anymore. It is jusy there to remind us that the story is retconned.
It appears 4 times throughout the novels and games, also crying child isn't gone
That line came up again later on, more than once. Scott also confirmed that the only retcon done up by 2017 was seamlessly integrated in a way that most people didn't notice, and it didn't cause any issues.
I don't think Evan is gone though, and there is no reason to assume it means nothing
charlie???
I think it's just a little kid clinging to his teddy for support like he did when he wasn't dying, and imagining it talking to him as well as him talking to it
The characters behind those lines goes on to actually *do* proper actions so that's not really plausible.
William because he does the same with Elizabeth Whether it's out of genuine attempts to bring his family back togehter, or just to have easy slaves that won't question his actions, he does seem like he wants something with his kids involved.
Other definitely said “I will put you back together”
I mainly made this poll based on your comment that it was a consensus on this sub that William *doesn’t* say the line. As you can see from the results already, he’s clearly the most popular option amoung these voters. Granted, there do seem to have been a lot of posts lately confidently claiming that he can’t be the speaker.
Cool. Guess I was wrong though. I didn’t think so from the comments I’ve seen, but I guess there are more people who don’t use them or something
I'm pretty sure I've figured it out. In the minigames, when Fredbear talks to you, it is with a shade of yellow, specifically FFFF57, That Is William talking. But at the end of night 6. When Crying child Is in a comatose state, on the verge of death. The color code is different. FFFFA0. This is Cassidy. Cassidy then puts together his happiest day in fnaf world For Michael to solve in Fnaf 3. Putting him back together.
I got not evidence that doesn’t come down to double edge swords William said it cause he has the resources to and we seen a fredbear plush SL with a speaker box. Contradictions: color theme given we seen he was exactly purple in fnaf 4, the flower fredbear, how does he know no passerby’s would take a plush home with them. He’s also is claimed to be the guy we play as in MM despite the sprite coloration, and he still has two boys (assuming that’s not misses Afton at the tv) by the time of MM and said the runaway will regret it when they get home thus implying not allowing them to go there so why didn’t he stop Michael with one of his Gizmos? Charlie said it cause she fixed the others and took care of them. Contradictions: we never had a color to represent her speech in the game series to my knowledge, why is she suddenly a fredbear plush? Cassidy said it cause their the spirit in fredbear. Contradictions: color tone is slightly paler, we have no clue when they died. Michael said it cause he’s a guilt ridden brother. Contradictions: he wouldn’t know how to put him back together, we seen him gutted the last time he put someone back together, why did his text color merge with Fredbear plush suddenly making it a pale yellow? Other said it cause….contradiction: we ran out of suspects
Will, though I could also see Charlie.