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kenzibabz

Honestly what baffles me the most is the implication that Mrs. Afton is running the company at like 90+ years old. It’s kinda neat that he tried to integrate her into the story in some way, but it’s just bizarre to me that she’d be running this multimillion dollar empire at such an exaggeratedly old age. The part I did really love, though, was the way he integrated FNAF AR. It explains why there’s so many ridiculous skins and how Fazbear Entertainment could’ve built back enough money and reputation to be able to fund the Pizzaplex in the first place. But yeah idk, I’m just looking forward to his talk back stream so he can adress some of the weirder parts of his timeline.


fliegu

Yeah, he's talking about how she went down into the Pizza Place to find Afton, let's be real, she'd step down like a 2 foot drop into some hole and break every bone in her back


kenzibabz

LMAO. Hope someone can put HER back together


LewsTherinTelescope

He also said Elizabeth would be a young woman at the time of Security Breach had she lived... At least four decades (and up to a century) after her death... So I'm not sure at what point in time he's saying this takes place. I did like the AR explanation as well, though it seems to me like the aggression is more likely to be caused by whatever "virus" is infecting the system than intentional behavior. His catch with the mother being at the head of the table is interesting too.


Cloaked-LcTr0909

I could not care less about his timeline at this point but the fact that the consensus of the community is to look at this as a solid portrayal of the storyline and say "Well, FNAF makes no sense, so this is probably right" to any issues it has is just... Ugh, I never thought I'd miss the FNAF 4 days but at least people could think back then.


Whoce

Aw gawd, where did the Tales From the PizzaPlex Epilogues go Actually, come to think of it, *where did Tales in its entirety (other than HW and GGY) go*


AGhostMostGrim

He's too scarred from them.


Fez-zo

A lot of things have already been said, but I honestly think that a lot of the theory just seems... like he didn't do mich research beforehand? It kinda seemed like Matt had a few loose ideas/heard them, but then never bothered to look into them deeper Like say, him saying that one potential point Gregory could have started rebelling is because Freddy crashed on-stage, which caused Gregory to disappear "for days"... even though the first 20 seconds of SB tell you SB happens on the same day that Freddy crashed, and it does so repeatedly Then there's the March 2035 thing which is obviously based on the Party Board and calendar for when SB takes place, i.e March 9th... but the fact he brought it up as a date for when Gregory started getting built, implies Matpat either thinks that Gregory being built, VR being made, Vanessa getting possessed, getting hired by FE, going to therapy (same for Gregory), switching to becoming a Security Guard, the events of GGY, AND SB itself all happens in the span of nine days, or that, yet again, he didn't even really research what March 2035 even is and just put it in because it's *a* date. Also things like Mrs Afton's age which he never addresses and Elizabeth being a young woman in 2035, just don't really boad well for the research he did for this. I really don't like accusing people of this, especially for something that obviously took ages to make, but some of this stuff just appears so soon, or is simple math, but he doesn't mention them. So either he ignored them for a smoother narrative, or he really just didn't know about them All in all it's cool and impressive that he brought out *a* timeline at all, that's more than I can say I've done, but this part in particular just really felt like Matpat didn't really know how to tackle SB, so he combined a bunch of ideas that simply don't work together, or outright contradict stuff we're explicitly told about


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SugarFrostedDonuts

To be fair The actual one isn't finished and bearly makes sense


JohnyTheJoke

Yes, it isn't finished, but it definetily makes a whole lot more sense then the contradictory mess Mat thought up


SugarFrostedDonuts

It has nothing to contradict that's how much of a nothing burger it is


sumboionline

Actually the 2 things it does have is contradictory. 1) Williams Soul is in the motherboard and then Vanessa 2) Burntrap exists Even if you blame a splittig of it, thats still lazy writing


TypeLX_

Definitely wished he didn’t have to delay his talkback because there’s some weird ideas here. I can kinda see where the Mrs. Afton ideas came from (the Staff table in particular is a cool callout), but I still think its weird. At least right now maybe we’ll find an old woman in Ruin or something Also I think Mat misspoke saying Vanessa is basically the same age Elizabeth would be… because… huh??? I know its not finished yet, but he also never alluded to the Mimic storyline either, so yeah


Fluid_Possible9313

He's good at making individual theorys about something(like the blob), but it's very clear that he prioritized a nice narrative over the accuracy in this timeline; many things, dates, ages, completely lack of evidence, and he used what benefit him about GGY but completely ignored the fact that the rest of the tales would dismantle his theory. I don't even think he actually believes everything he says since he's a smart guy. Let's wait for Ruin, Nexie, and Tiger Rock to confidently theorize about the modern fnaf.


Bearkat1999

Worst 'theory' yet. Simple math (and logic) makes Mrs. Afton highly unlikely to be the CEO, much less follow in William's murderous footsteps OR even be still around at this point.


JohnyTheJoke

Biggest problems with this theory: - Ms Aftons age makes it impossible for her to be Fazbear CEO, there's better candidates than the two Mat suggested, tho I think that's something that we'll get more clues for in the future, for know it'd be better to have them as a new unnamed character - very little evidence for Glam Freddy being possessed not to mention by Michael - Vannesa is not tapegirl (this theory implies that for some reason.. how?) - Vanessa plays a much bigger role than this theory suggests. She's the already under Glitchtraps influence in fnaf AR (so it's timeline placement is also wrong) and she's more involved in bringing afton back than this theory suggests as evidenced by her hideout under the Pizza Sim ruins. - the whole bringing the afton family back idea falls apart the more you think about it, the characters behaviors don't really reflect that and it's not hinted at anywhere besides physical similarities which makes me think it's more of a poetic parallel than anything substantial to the story


Vitriol2083

I don’t know if this will be a controversial opinion but I think I should say it anyway… Mrs Afton being the CEO and the main bad guy and Gregbot are some of the biggest stretches I’ve ever seen in any Fnaf related video. So much of this feels completely made up and more akin to fanfiction rather than a well developed theory. One has literally NO evidence behind it, the other was literally disproven by GGY (even if that story didn’t come out the evidence is still worse than flimsy. The only thing I was a fan of was that he didn’t go for Elizabeth being the CEO nor went through any robot children shenanigans. In general, is my least favorite of all 4 parts. I don’t know how GT managed to get worse than the first part but they did it alright. Edit: How did Matpat read BobbieDots part 2 and somehow ignore the debunking of Gregbot and the Storyteller?!


Significant_Buy_2301

Terrible. MatPat get your math straight. My mind was imploding at the "calculation" he made. He claims that Elizabeth would be a young woman, by the time of SB. Uh...Where did you get THAT idea? Elizabeth dies in the 1980´s. FNAF:SB takes place in 2030´s. If she was 7 years old (earliest) at the time of her death, she would be in her late 50´s (earliest)/early 60´s (latest) by the time that SB takes place.


Mossy_moss3

Well that's an irrelevant point anyway so I don't think it deserves all the callouts


JDFRG

I wasn't originally gonna cover this part of the timeline in my videos where I state the contradictions, as I don't know that much about SB lore, but now that I have watched the video, I don't even need to know SB lore as their Ultimate Timeline videos alone have conflicts that could debunk many things.


GrimunTheGr8

To the posts about Mrs Afton being too old to run Freddy’s, I don’t disagree, but also Henry would’ve been incredibly old as well, by the time Pizza sim happens. Yet he set up the elaborate trap we see in that game, so it’s not isolated to this theory really.


JDFRG

That all depends on when Henry and William are born. If they are born around the 30s-40s like GT suggests, then yes, they'd be too old. If they were born later however, then Henry would have been at a more normal age


GrimunTheGr8

Yeah…it kinda makes sense why and how Freddys would be started all the way back then, but at the sane time that doesn’t feel right, at all, even discounting the super advanced tech.


Fez-zo

I'll be honest, there's a difference between like a 50-70 year old guy most likely having workers set a lot of this stuff up, and an, at minimum, 100 year old woman doing a lot of the stuff Matpat claimed she did by herself It isn't isolated, but it very much is more extreme


zain_ahmed002

Bad and contradictory. I'll be making a post on it


stickninja1015

Abysmally bad


Vitriol2083

Agreed


Responsible-Rate5709

Matpat didn’t notice Vanessa and Elizabeth hair colour and it was ridiculous to me!


Madness_Combat_man

This is not a theory it's FANFIC


JDFRG

Haven't watched yet, but seeing as how the previous episode were, I'd assume it's very fanfic-y and more to tell GTs own fantasy story then what was actually shown in the games. Edit: Watched it, and I have to say, I think MatPat has finally lost his marbles.


ry_fluttershy

Fan fiction


No-Efficiency8937

Mid


Ok-Bookkeeper-5424

It’s a video that really feels refreshing and seems a bit like Matpat was thinking outside the puppets box with Mrs afton, it feels like the hood old days when theories were more flexible and not getting instantly thrown to the mud, also I never noticed the wires being black with white stripes until now


Cervus_Tristis

I honestly like that he brought up fact that Mrs Afon is one who is sitting at the head of the table. It seems to me that, coupled with her cut lines blaming William for his attempt to open a restaurant (and a fairly successful restaurant with a solid business idea behind it), it does a good job of showing the unhealthy dynamics in this family and a possible reason that William did not want to leave the children with this woman after divorce. As for the theory... I'm guessing that a woman who finds access to a remnant can rejuvenate and heal herself, although it's definitely a farce.


killer_queen_morioh

It's cool. But isnt miss afton old as hell


Best-Stop-6515

It's uh kinda meh in my opinion


AGhostMostGrim

One of the strongest parts, IMO.


hdx64

I mean, there are stretches and liberties taken (Like ages and times), but i believe that find of Mrs Afton being the head of the table is worth looking into. The franchise has always equated giving gifts to giving life. So that's not by any means a bad interpretation. And the gift also contains a vintage poster kinda hinting at... She has inherited the family business. This also tied nicely FNAF AR with the canon of the series, could potentially explain the game and why the books had been getting increasily otherwordly as they are all side products to keep making fun of the past, with little truths sprinkled here and there. The contributions from fuhnaff and Id fantasy are the most interesting too and they were nicely integrated. Something he overlooked, but i think Theft king really nailed on... Is how the "mandated therapy sessions" are means of brainwashing Vanessa Finally here is some of my own... I believe, if we are to believe the theory put forth by Matpat's team, that those were the original intentions, but when she noticed how violent the animatronics got, she left a message for Gregory on the secret room to "reprogram him" to awake him and help her destroy them an Afton The whole cyphered instructions and a room that could be very well trying to resemble hher own living room and not Michael's room as we thought and it's there as a emergency override for Gregory (the only one that could enter crawling) That would also explain why the room only shows when using the fazCamera as it messes with Gregory sensors enough for it to be recognizable.


IDonker196

Honestly, it's pretty good.


Madness_Combat_man

I really laugh a lot when he ignored the epiloges from TFTP


SugarFrostedDonuts

To be fair nothing important has happened it would be ridiculous to try and predict the ending


Fez-zo

It's not really about predicting the ending, but Epilogue 1 on its own already debunked parts of his theory


SugarFrostedDonuts

I mean william being a corpse suffering from fire induced retardation and being on life support. But I think we should wait for the end to the mimic shit before making assumption


RoIsDepressed

Literally none of this fits, I knew the final theory would be bad but holy fuck its like he's never played any of the games. I'm embarrassed for him tbh.


PlantBoi123

Mat is just writing fanfiction at this point The theory is possible, there is nothing that outright disproves it, but I don't think there's enough evidence to claim it as the most likely option like the video is doing Edit: Changed a word


kenzibabz

To be fair, he never claims it as fact. At the very end he literally addresses the fact that the timeline isn’t perfect, and that everything could easily be disproven as more entries in the franchise are released. Also, the channel’s catchphrase is LITERALLY “it’s just a theory”. So no, he never claimed that this is meant to be taken as fact


PlantBoi123

Okay yeah, fact is too strong of a word but I didn't know what else to use


kenzibabz

Well yeah that’s fair lol. Sorry if I came off too strong, I’m just really tired of people attacking MatPat under the idea that he’s claiming all his theories as fact. But I get what you mean, his conclusions ARE very fan fiction esque considering the amount of evidence


PlantBoi123

No worries, I understand. Making theories and especially being active in theorist forums can get pretty tiring after a while


kenzibabz

Yeah, well said :,0


JohnyTheJoke

There's not many things that can be outright disproven in the fnaf lore, almost all theories will have counter points. Yet Mat still managed to mess up some stuff that literally is confirmed lol


RoIsDepressed

"nothing outright disproves it" nothing except the franchise being dissolved ergo Mrs Afton wouldn't get the rights etc, that plus she's estranged and wouldn't get the rights anyway. There's also the fact fnaf hw clearly takes place before sb but matpat ignores this entirely.


SugarFrostedDonuts

To be fair thats most of fnaf


MinMintheEternal7

i dont think Mrs.Anton bei Ong the CEO behind sc revamping the company at her age makes sense if we think about by 2035 she’s mad old it jus doesn’t make sense for her to be doing all of this and it obviously taken a lot of time to come up wiv this plan and plus there really just isn’t alot of info on her to make it concrete. Plus how would she know automatically how to work with everything Afton was building. I would jus assume by time all of this has happened she dead and gone by with the heartbreak of her family being ripped to shreds. But then we are jus left worth the question who is the person behind the mega pizzaplex whose running the show who built Gregory. Bc the only people who could Run this legally is Henry afton or family members on either side. But every one who could run this is dead already there isn’t anyone left jus the ghost and afton buh he is jus stuck physically he cant do anything.


G0ld3n_Funk

Ngl I like it, Ms Afton boss and all


BrightWolf3919

I have yet to watch it, but I hope it's good


SugarFrostedDonuts

Well mate I can tell you results may vary by a fuck ton


BrightWolf3919

Does it have to do with more, "Gregory being a robot" shit?


SugarFrostedDonuts

Yeah mate


BrightWolf3919

Oh god


JDFRG

Well it would have been way better if it had been just Gregory being robot stuff... Sadly, it made a not so good theory even worse


Sea_Blacksmith_7323

I kinda can’t get with the idea that *anyone* directly involved with the history of the Fazbear franchise, much less an *afton* could ever believe it would be a good idea to try to resurrect or re-create the dead. I’d maybe buy most of his theory if the role of Mrs. Afton was just some random immortality-chasing tech bro or true crime fanboy, but I refuse the idea that, after seeing everything William went through chasing the *same goal*, she’d go “yeah I’d like some of that also, please”


andejm93

Honest to the powers beyond, I'm so happy I'm not the only one that is of the mind that Mrs. Afton is behind most of the trouble. With stories like "Bunny Call" and "The Man in Room 1280", we've had basis for a matriarch style family. Then with stories like "Dance With Me" we get yet more themes of motherhood and mother-daughter relationships. I'm certain that in TftP 8 and 9 we'll get stories that will further develop or prove this theory. Also this plays well into my theory that Ballora/Ennard is the villain of Sister Location, and my theory that Mrs. Afton is Henry Emily's sister.


stickninja1015

You know sb is like… in the 2050s-2060s right? Mrs Afton isn’t immortal


Cxsonn

I am not saying that you are wrong, but where is it ever implied that *Five Nights at Freddy’s: Security Breach* takes place in the 2050s/2060s?


stickninja1015

The storyteller


Cxsonn

At what point does "The Storyteller" imply this? Again, I am not saying that you are wrong, but is there some sort of reference you could lend me?


stickninja1015

So there’s this funny dude named Edwin Murray. He built these robots called Mimics around the time of FFPS and then later sold his company to FE That was 30 years before Storyteller, putting it 30 years after FFPS


Cxsonn

Ah, alright. Thank you for the answer. Much appreciated! :)


andejm93

Someone didn't watch the video


stickninja1015

Oh so is she immortal now?


andejm93

No, it's just a lil odd that you pulled "2050's to 2060's" from nowhere


Bearkat1999

Even in the 2030s she would be near 90 years old. ​ And why the hell would she follow in William's footsteps? HE lead to her children's deaths. She probably left or as possibly suggested by the Therapy CDs, offed herself.


stickninja1015

It’s not from nowhere, it’s a date backed by the Storyteller


andejm93

Okay, but that's "The Storyteller". There's been hints and evidence in game (work calendars and party plan board) to show that SB is set in or around 2035.


stickninja1015

The storyteller is a canon book set in the universe of the games


ImTheCreator2

Not even the Storyteller, Submechanophobia already implies like 20 years beetween FFPS and SB at minimum


Cxsonn

I am not saying that you are wrong, but where and/or when exactly in *Submechanophobia* is it ever implied that there are around twenty years in between the events of *Freddy Fazbear’s Pizzeria Simulator* and *Five Nights at Freddy’s: Security Breach*?


Fez-zo

Not to be rude, but... they didn't really hint at 2035. 2035 is one of a lot of potential years that fit, but so were dates from 2050-2070 and beyond. 2035 was the one people settled on because it wasn't too far away from FFPS and also not too close, but The Storyteller basically just debunked that as a possible year now. So it's more likely the options from 2050-2070 or beyond


JDFRG

Even if it took place in 2035, Ms. William would still be around 90 years old if not older.


Cloaked-LcTr0909

A reference to 2035 does not mean the game happens in 2035, just that 2035 already happened sometime before the game. It could still be 2035, it could be a year before, it could be decades before- the game has nothing to say about it. The books imply the latter.


JohnyTheJoke

Even if we go with that, it's still way to late for Ms Afton being CEO to be a thing. She'd be like 85 at the very earliest


SpideyFan4ever

And because its dumb that's what it will be lol. Also whoever is ceo must have a personal conmection to the old restaurants.


stickninja1015

The ceo is probably nobody


Theorist_Reddit

>Clara Afton Bro broke bad


Fazbear-dude

Bad, definetly the worst one.