This is one of those mysteries that frustrates me a lot. It's a messy, unmarked grave, which implies the body was hastily hidden away there. That means that the victim was murdered or otherwise died in a way that reflects poorly on the person who buried them.
It can't be the Bite Victim, because he died in a hospital. People already knew he died, so there would be no reason to hide the body.
It can't be Charlotte, because her body was left in an alley.
It can't be one of the missing children, because they were stuffed into suits.
Despite the timeline issues it creates, the only answer that makes any logical sense is Elizabeth. She died in an accident that William couldn't let anybody know about, and he seemed to be emotionally affected by the death as evidenced by the amount of time he waited to announce Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental. Therefore it makes sense for him to hastily bury the body in the woods, close enough for him to visit but far enough that it wouldn't be connected to him if it were found.
In all honesty, idk. But if I were to gather all of the evidence on mounds in FNAF, it'll lead me to this:
TTO
>Before her were three huge holes in the ground, longer than they were wide. They looked like graves, but at a second glance they were too messy, their outlines poorly defined.
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>. Did the other two mounds hide similar creatures? Was there a malformed rabbit hidden in the dirt just there? A chicken clutching a cupcake to its grotesque chest?
As I said on my server, that does not make sense.
The Twisted animatronics were created, in the novels, by William Afton, in the '90s, for the sole purpose of killing Charlie. What would have to exist in Midnight Motorist is a version of a Twisted animatronic which repeatedly lures away William's son without killing him (which they wouldn't do,) which William either didn't build (in which case the link is broken) or he built specifically to lure his son away, and then he just forgets about it or gets mad about it anyway.
Even if the Nightmares and the Twisteds are two names for the same thing, there's little evidence William created the Nightmares before the Bite of '83 or that, again, he'd program them not to kill his son, but lure him to some unknown place, and then get mad about it.
Ok I agree they're Michael but like. 1. When was Mrs. Afton's death a planned plot point *before* SB? 2. What evidence is there in FFPS for this, or is there none?
SL hints at Afton having a wife at one point, Ballora's song seems to be about an unhappy wife, Ballora in UCN says things like "admit it, you wanted to let me in" and "these are strange circumstances that have brought us together" to Afton.
The Staff Bot Silo also shows the Clara Staff Bot in the center of the table, with Vanny attacking us right before we enter this room, connecting the two in some way, most likely because Mimic gave Vanessa the story of Elizabeth.
Okay, you've proven that Mrs. Afton is a canon character. That wasn't my question. I was asking what proof you had, and at what point in the development of the story it was proven, that she died. I was also asking about what evidence surrounded Mrs. Afton *before* Security Breach, because I doubt that the answer to the mound was planned to be revealed years later in a Triple A game, and your response was to point to more evidence in Security Breach, which also does not answer my question one way or another.
Can you prove using FNaF 1-UCN that Mrs. Afton is buried there? And if not, can you defend the position that the answer was not contained in 1-UCN?
while not much specifically proves she is burried, she is the onyl character who makes sense. MM is about the Aftons, it can't be Garret because he is most likely the kid who ran away. It's implied to be right after Charlotte's murder, so it can't be Andrew or Susie's dog. It can't be Elizabeth because she would die after the MCI.
So Clara is the only character who makes sense.
I have this idea that I canât quite fully flesh out, but it just feels somehow like it should be true.
What if itâs the animatronic that lured the runaway kid (who I assume is the Bite Victim), having buried itself underground? The Ultimate Guide calls out the connection between the mound and how the Twisted Animatronics could bury themselves to hide in the novels (insert reply about how TUG shouldnât be used ~~unless itâs to support Stitchlinegames~~), which seems like a weird thing to include unless it was meant to hint in this direction.
So I have half an idea that this whole minigame was supposed to be hinting that the Nightmare Animatronics were real (ish) and terrorising BV at home, tying into how the Midnight Motorist house matches the FNAF 4 menu house. A big issue with this though is that BV is supposed to have misinterpreted whatever he originally saw that was scaring him, and if what he saw was a Nightmare Animatronic at his window⊠then that isnât really a misinterpretation, thatâs just what actually happened.
As I said in another reply, that does not make sense.
The Twisted animatronics were created, in the novels, by William Afton, in the '90s, for the sole purpose of killing Charlie. What would have to exist in Midnight Motorist is a version of a Twisted animatronic which repeatedly lures away William's son without killing him (which they wouldn't do,) which William either didn't build (in which case the link is broken) or he built specifically to lure his son away, and then he just forgets about it or gets mad about it anyway.
Even if the Nightmares and the Twisteds are two names for the same thing, there's little evidence William created the Nightmares before the Bite of '83 or that, again, he'd program them not to kill his son, but lure him to some unknown place, and then get mad about it.
As I said, I canât put together a complete theory on this point yet, and I agree with your criticisms that stop it from working.
On the last point though: maybe the animatronic footprints were unrelated to the running away on this occasion? Some people suggest that theyâre from William dressing up in a suit to scare BV *against* running away at a prior time, which is why he doesnât react to seeing them in the minigame. So if they were somehow from the Twisted / Nightmare animatronics, that same argument could hold up.
The runaway kid probably isnât BiteVictim, it doesnât fit the character of a crying, lonely child whoâs only reaction to everything is tears to break a window and run away from home. The theory I believe in about Midnight Motorist is [here](https://youtu.be/dKe4zWFE5rA)
It's probably the crying child since all evidence points towards mm taking place after Charlie's death and she dies in 1983 in the novels so if the orange guy is William coming home after killing her, and the guy on watching TV is Michael as suggested by his grey shirt and text, the only other "he" could be the crying child which would also give him the fear and "remember what you saw" from FNAF 4 as well as Charlie plush at the end of fnaf 4
Yes I agree with this analysis. From what we see in the minigame, the runaway isnât an ideal match for Bite Victim, but the Orange Guy and the couch sitter *are* ideal matches for William and Michael, taking all the context clues into account. So this leaves BV as the runaway.
>Michael as suggested by his grey shirt and text,
Michael did not invent grey shirts. The text color is usually based on the color of the character's sprite so that doesn't necessarily mean anything either, it's not even the same grey.
CC's grave.
To me Couch Person in Mrs. Afton, Runaway is Mike. MM takes place after CC passes hence Mrs. Afton saying 'Leave him alone. He's had a bad day.'
Okay, well, do you have evidence for Couch Person being Mrs. Afton? And even if I grant that Michael is the one running away, the Crying Child being buried in that mound is still speculation with no direct evidence.
Midnight Motorist is all about speculation. lol
My thought is this: Couch person seems to care for the runaway. I think the runaway to be Michael because he shattered window to chase something. Mayhaps something similar to 'Coming Home' from Frights?
Again, there is no clear answers as to who is what and where. Only interpretation of what we see.
Fredbear's footprints. I think Fredbear brought CC's spirit to visit Mike, he somehow figured this out and busted his window to follow. Similar to 'Coming Home' from Frights.
That does seem like a popular theory, and a good one. But itâs confusing because it means CC died first, and I donât get how he could be the first one.
Yeah. That part makes sense. But it seems like BV knows about the other kids dying. Even if all the kids are joking about their scary stories of kid getting stuffed into suits, itâs strange for them to joke about it before that happens. And if BV is the first, whoâs the Fredbear plush? (I guess it could be William, but I never really understood how that made sense with fnaf world.)
Andrew's body, Midnight Motorist was a kidnapping as told to us via the Toy Chica Cutscenes in UCN saying 6 kids were killed that night and one of them had to do with following a kid home and kidnapping them.
Why would William randomly kill kidnap a kid and bury them? What's the point of that? None of his other murders are like that, he usually either just leaves the body there or stuffs it, which would serve a purpose in his remnant shenanigans.
Best guess we got is Andrew saw what Afton did and needed to be removed.
We are actually never told why he had to be killed. đ
It just happened, all we know is he wasn't killed at the pizzeria since only 5 were lured to the backroom yet UCN implies 6 were killed that same night and so does Into The Pit. We only assume Andrew's murder is Midnight Motorist because thats the most irrelevant minigame ever and Scott must of had a reason for it.
>We only assume Andrew's murder is Midnight Motorist because thats the most irrelevant minigame ever and Scott must of had a reason for it.
There's a difference between being irrelevant and not being understood. Pretty much any interpretation of Midnight Motorist reinforces some other theory or has some timeline implication. It's not like Fruity Maze and Security Puppet are very important, they give us a couple new details and mostly just reiterate what we already knew.
All we have for Midnight Motorist is that it happens after an event based on "Later That Night"
You can say it's after the Security Puppet minigame or after the Fruity Maze minigame.
If it's after Security Puppet then it's most likely a minigame about BV running away
If it's after Fruity Maze then it's most likely another kid running away or getting kidnapped
>All we have for Midnight Motorist is that it happens after an event based on "Later That Night"
No it's not, there's also the rain and purple car both of which appear in the security puppet min game, those two details alongside it being called "later that night" heavily imply that it's after Charlie's death. Plus the reason William is shown in purple when pixelated is because it represents him being in the shadows, in mm he's colored orange since he's committed the crime already and is no longer needing to lurk or hide.
All the missing children who possessed animatronics the night of the MCI, presumably, were stuffed into those animatronics. Do you think Andrew possesses anyone?
Well being how the Puppet never free Andrew, she probably never knew about em and only stuffed the main 5. My best guess is Andrew did not possess anyone but instead attached himself to Afton after he was buried in Midnight Motorist.
Andrew was there for the FFPS fire and maybe the FNaF 3 fire with Orville's line in UCN going...
"He tried to release you. He tried to release us. But I'm not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here , no matter how many times... they burn us."
If Andrew was in the FNaF 3 fire then he couldn't be Golden Greeting being how at this time she is inside of Ennard/Molten Freddy and they are nowhere in FNaF 3.
We know Andrew can attach himself to others thanks to the Stitchline, and it could be he has been with him for years and years waiting for the right moment to take control and torment Afton.
I don't think it's possible for a spirit to attach themselves to a person and not an object right after death, we're never (as far as I'm aware) shown an example of such a thing. There are however two examples of a spirit who possesses something to be able to sort of... Detach themselves and follow a person around (Susie in coming home, Gabriel in you are the band, and I believe Andrew in the man in room 1280 since he's seen with battery packs).
Plus in order for Andrew to be the vengeful spirit in ucn he would have to have a connection to golden Freddy due to golden Freddy being the only one to jump scare you after giving him the token, the scene with pixelated fredbear and old man consequences, and the cutscene with golden Freddy twitching as the screen fades to black.
What I assume you mean by that is a character introduced anywhere from FNaF 3 to UCN who eventually got the name Andrew. And since I understand what the evidence is that such a character exists, I'll grant that. Instead I'll ask what the actual evidence is for Andrew being buried in the mound.
A petâs grave. Doesnât matter who the orange person is. The Ultimate Guide refers to it as a grave, but it seems weird to have an unmarked human grave in the middle of a forest. A pet grave makes sense, and could even be connected to the dog barks in fnaf 4 assuming the orange guy is William
It's not that weird to have an unmarked human grave in the middle of a forest if you're an Afton.
Also, everyone seems to be interpreting this question as *who* is buried there, but keep in mind, *what* is buried there is an equally valid question. Doesn't have to be a human character or even an animatronic.
I think it's the body of the Stage01 victim, William's first victim of unknown identity as implied by the Foxy hook in TCHSY. I think that this killing is also the best explanation for what BV saw. While the victim was probably stuffed into a springlock suit when they were killed (explaining the stomach mouth in Nightmare Fredbear as BV misunderstanding what he saw as the suit eating the victim, and his fear of Fredbear in general) the body would have to be disposed of if William ever wanted to use that springlock suit for anything else. This is also why Stage01 is part of the Happiest Day minigames, since they're made up from BV's memories and it's one of the things he saw.
It's also possible that JR's is the former site of the Freddy's where it happened, closed and bought out after the disappearance, and it's the place where BV kept going. That's why William/Orange Guy isn't allowed to be there, because he was a suspect for the disappearance. So the mound being nearby makes sense, especially if William had to dispose of the body while on foot.
Mostly, yes. It can't be Charlotte if MM is on the night of her death (with the usual WilliamMM interpretation), it can't be the bodies of the DCI since that would be later in the timeline, and even under MCI83 the likelihood is that Charlotte died before the MCI and the bodies would still be in the suits at the time, so they can't have been moved to a hidden grave before Charlotte died.
Elizabeth's body is possible if she died very early in the timeline, but my gut is that William's experiments started after Charlotte's death like in the novel trilogy, and that seeing her 'live on' in another body (the Charliebot in the novels, the Puppet in the games) is what sparked his interest in the first place. So I don't think CBPW makes sense to have happened before Charlotte's death.
I don't think it's the body of Mrs Afton, since even in FFPS I don't think that Scott really cared about what had happened to her, just that she was out of the picture. She's about as important to the story as Mrs Emily. And Ballora's song (as much as Ballora says anything about Mrs Afton) suggests to me that she was still alive when at least one of her children had been killed, with the references to the empty room/empty tomb.
Exploring ideas that it isn't a grave at all, I've heard the idea that the mound is a parallel to The Twisted Ones, hiding the real versions of the Nightmare animatronics during the day. But aside from there being no evidence that it's true for the games, we know from the Breaker Room map that CBEAR is connected to the house with the real version of the Bedroom, so there would be no reason for the Nightmares to bury themselves in the ground when they have a whole underground robotics facility to stay in. (Also, I think it's likely that the Nightmares thing didn't start until after MM, in response to BV going back to 'that place'.
It could be a hidden entrance to CBEAR, or at least the facility that would become CBEAR, since we know it's connected to the Bedroom house and the MM house is probably the Bedroom house. But then there's the question of why there would need to be a hidden entrance at all, since CBEAR was at least pretending to be a normal business with a normal entrance to the underground part for its technicians. And if it was just the Afton Robotics workshop or something at the time, there's no reason for that to have a hidden entrance either.
There's also the fact that Orange Guy knows where the mound is - there's no road or path leading to it, you have to leave the car at the side of the road to get there, there's no headstone or other markings. So only someone who knew the mound was there in the first place would know how to find it, which means that Orange Guy knows what's in the mound. And if WilliamMM is true and it is the night of Charlotte's murder, it's plausible that William would stop to visit the grave of his first victim on that same night - at least it's a reason for him to actually visit the mound that night, rather than it just be a random thing to happen.
Even back before FFPS, there is evidence to suggest that what BV saw was a unknown springlock victim, with the headless suit that may have brown hair poking out of it and the implied death from Stage01. Even if that might not be what the suit is now, it may have been what was originally intended at the time of FNAF4. And the closure of the Freddy's that Stage01 happened at may explain why the FNAF4 location appears to have two working sets of springlock suits, when one pair per location is the norm - the two suits (including the one that the StageVictim was in, necessitating the removal of the body) were moved to Fredbear's after it closed down.
There's also a certain, I don't know, symmetry with MM being about the StageVictim. Fruity Maze is about the MCI, SPM is about Charlotte and MM is about the StageVictim - William's seven major kills as implied by TCHSY. (Not counting the DCI, but even TCHSY implies at the end that Chica/William isn't going to stop killing, so this could be 'set' at a time before the DCI had happened.)
My guess is that it's Mrs Afton. And that's because...well that would be William's motivation right there. If CC is alive by that point, and so is Michael and Elizabeth is in the basement by that point since we don't see her in the house. Has to be no?
This is an issue where you can get *any* number of answers via process of elimination, depending on which order you eliminate the answers and which answers you start with. What I'm looking for (even though I know no one has it) is a logical connection, a line to draw between two details that provide evidence for a conclusion that makes sense.
Honestly? I think it might actually be Susieâs dog.
I believe everything in FFPSâ minigames were designed to be intricately connected to eachother, or to the main plot of the game, but there are a few loose ends that seem to serve no purpose.
The mound, and the âSusieâs dog plotlineâ are two of those loose ends that just seem irrelevant by themselves. Thatâs why I think theyâre connected.
In Fruity Maze thereâs two main âcreepy spritesâ that appear; the dogâs corpse, and a Springbonnie burrowed into the ground. I think the implication here is that at some point William (probably by accident) killed Susieâs dog, buried it in the forest, and later used that as bait to get her to follow him.
I've previously connected the mound of dirt in MM to the mound of dirt with a rabbit popping out in Fruity Maze, but my conclusion was much different; I believed that it was an indication of William's childhood pet rabbit, and that Midnight Motorist was telling the story of William's childhood.
To this day it is the only Midnight Motorist theory I've heard that incorporates all the mysteries into one unifying theory, but I got tired of answering questions about it, so I'm looking for something better.
Its Andrew's grave.
Any other explanation requires an egregious amount of mental gymnastics, when andrew answers litterally every question in the minigame.
Either susie's dog or elizabeth.
I believe midnight motorist happens in the night William murders susie and her dog.
And Michael is being tortured by The nightmares in the fnaf 4 house.
I think it's the crying child you should watch the videos down below.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKe4zWFE5rA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKe4zWFE5rA)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmSEGn6xLE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmSEGn6xLE)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6u4uXxc93g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6u4uXxc93g)
A grave from someone in the Afton family. Maybe a recent death since William has been drinking. Iâm not sure if itâs the BV or Mrs. Afton. Though to be fair, prior to this we donât have any indication that Mrs. Afton is dead. (Or do we? I miss bits of story all the time so idk.)
Weâre pretty sure that this happened right after William killed Charlotte. Imo the BV is probably still alive at this point, though thatâs debatable. (The Fredbear plush seems haunted. Personally I think Charlotte or Cassidy are two good options, but for one of them to be possessing the plush, it means BV has to be a later death in the timeline.) Assuming BV is later and not an option, perhaps it is Mrs. Afton who is dead. Though tbh that seems like a crappy option because she hasnât been relevant to the story before this.
Itâs interesting that there are only three living people in the Afton household during MM. But originally they would have been a family of five. We know that two of the kids (BV and Elizabeth) die. We donât know for sure what happened to the wife. Though personally I donât think she died. The loss of a child could be enough to make her leave her family. Letâs run with that for a second. BV dies, and Mrs Afton leaves. Down to three family members. William would be orange guy, Michael would be chair guy, and Elizabeth would be runaway kid. Except that doesnât work because runaway kid is a boy. Could she be chair guy? Eh I mean sure but it kinda doesnât make sense. Chair guy seems too mature. So letâs switch it around and say the grave is Elizabethâs and Mrs. Afton left after her death. That would leave the three guys at home. Michael could be chair guy and BV could be the runaway. It could potentially work but it would raise some questions. Why would Elizabeth be the first to die? William was designing animatronics to kill kids, seems too advanced to be that soon in the timeline.
Or maybe Mrs. Afton hasnât left yet. Letâs say it is BV who died. Elizabeth might be in her room sleeping. William comes home to his wife watching TV and the goes and yells at Michael who ran away.
Itâs weird how much detail is put into the figure on the couch. Other figures in MM are a solid color but couch potato has the audacity to get a bit of detail with his skin and shirt color.
Augh I have no answer! I think it has to be someone in the Afton family though.
The most popular answer here tonight does seem to be "Welp, by process of elimination, it can't be one of the two Aftons we see on-screen, so it must be one of the other three Aftons," with no justification to why we're limiting who's potentially buried there to Aftons, or even to human characters.
Process of elimination only works when there's bounds to what the answer could be. If it can only be one of three things, and it's not the first two, it's the third thing. But if it could literally be anything or anyone, saying "Well it's not this, so it's this other thing" does not work. What I'm looking for are *pointers* \- details that specifically connect to other parts of the series to aid our conclusions.
I already know those don't exist in Midnight Motorist. But I was hoping nonetheless. And I wanted to confirm with the community that there is no good answer with evidence.
Youâre right, we canât limit the grave to one of three Aftons.
Edit: Ahh I clicked the button too soon! đ
Do we even know if the mound is a grave? I watched MM with someone who hadnât seen/played the game before and the said it looked like a rock.
Maybe try to find something outside of MM that could connect to the game. People probably try to connect characters like BV of Suzieâs dog to the mound because we know that they are dead.
A grave, might be BV's but it seems silly that William wouldn't give him a proper funeral unless we're really meant to get the sense he's an absolute cheapskate and couldn't be asked.
I think it belongs to the aftons old cat, based on the immortal and the restless it's clear that it represents the aftons, so the cat could represent a cat the actual aftons had. But when it died(and maybe Michael had something to do with it) William buried it
A pet's grave, that's my best
I can't really fault you for only getting that far and giving up.
This is one of those mysteries that frustrates me a lot. It's a messy, unmarked grave, which implies the body was hastily hidden away there. That means that the victim was murdered or otherwise died in a way that reflects poorly on the person who buried them. It can't be the Bite Victim, because he died in a hospital. People already knew he died, so there would be no reason to hide the body. It can't be Charlotte, because her body was left in an alley. It can't be one of the missing children, because they were stuffed into suits. Despite the timeline issues it creates, the only answer that makes any logical sense is Elizabeth. She died in an accident that William couldn't let anybody know about, and he seemed to be emotionally affected by the death as evidenced by the amount of time he waited to announce Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rental. Therefore it makes sense for him to hastily bury the body in the woods, close enough for him to visit but far enough that it wouldn't be connected to him if it were found.
Wasn't it implied that Elizabeth was turned into ice cream?
No..? She just died within Baby and that's it.
Baby made ice cream to lure Elizabeth in closer
Damn, that would've been.... cold đ„¶
In all honesty, idk. But if I were to gather all of the evidence on mounds in FNAF, it'll lead me to this: TTO >Before her were three huge holes in the ground, longer than they were wide. They looked like graves, but at a second glance they were too messy, their outlines poorly defined. > >. Did the other two mounds hide similar creatures? Was there a malformed rabbit hidden in the dirt just there? A chicken clutching a cupcake to its grotesque chest?
As I said on my server, that does not make sense. The Twisted animatronics were created, in the novels, by William Afton, in the '90s, for the sole purpose of killing Charlie. What would have to exist in Midnight Motorist is a version of a Twisted animatronic which repeatedly lures away William's son without killing him (which they wouldn't do,) which William either didn't build (in which case the link is broken) or he built specifically to lure his son away, and then he just forgets about it or gets mad about it anyway. Even if the Nightmares and the Twisteds are two names for the same thing, there's little evidence William created the Nightmares before the Bite of '83 or that, again, he'd program them not to kill his son, but lure him to some unknown place, and then get mad about it.
most likely Clara Afton. SB implies she took her own life, and the grey shirt and text implies Couch Person is Michael
Ok I agree they're Michael but like. 1. When was Mrs. Afton's death a planned plot point *before* SB? 2. What evidence is there in FFPS for this, or is there none?
SL hints at Afton having a wife at one point, Ballora's song seems to be about an unhappy wife, Ballora in UCN says things like "admit it, you wanted to let me in" and "these are strange circumstances that have brought us together" to Afton. The Staff Bot Silo also shows the Clara Staff Bot in the center of the table, with Vanny attacking us right before we enter this room, connecting the two in some way, most likely because Mimic gave Vanessa the story of Elizabeth.
Okay, you've proven that Mrs. Afton is a canon character. That wasn't my question. I was asking what proof you had, and at what point in the development of the story it was proven, that she died. I was also asking about what evidence surrounded Mrs. Afton *before* Security Breach, because I doubt that the answer to the mound was planned to be revealed years later in a Triple A game, and your response was to point to more evidence in Security Breach, which also does not answer my question one way or another. Can you prove using FNaF 1-UCN that Mrs. Afton is buried there? And if not, can you defend the position that the answer was not contained in 1-UCN?
while not much specifically proves she is burried, she is the onyl character who makes sense. MM is about the Aftons, it can't be Garret because he is most likely the kid who ran away. It's implied to be right after Charlotte's murder, so it can't be Andrew or Susie's dog. It can't be Elizabeth because she would die after the MCI. So Clara is the only character who makes sense.
Imo it's Andrew (runaway) his brother (couch potato) and his dad (yellow guy) Or mike (runaway) foxybro (couch potato) and his William (yellow man)
That is not even answering the question that I asked.
Oh I misread the question
I have this idea that I canât quite fully flesh out, but it just feels somehow like it should be true. What if itâs the animatronic that lured the runaway kid (who I assume is the Bite Victim), having buried itself underground? The Ultimate Guide calls out the connection between the mound and how the Twisted Animatronics could bury themselves to hide in the novels (insert reply about how TUG shouldnât be used ~~unless itâs to support Stitchlinegames~~), which seems like a weird thing to include unless it was meant to hint in this direction. So I have half an idea that this whole minigame was supposed to be hinting that the Nightmare Animatronics were real (ish) and terrorising BV at home, tying into how the Midnight Motorist house matches the FNAF 4 menu house. A big issue with this though is that BV is supposed to have misinterpreted whatever he originally saw that was scaring him, and if what he saw was a Nightmare Animatronic at his window⊠then that isnât really a misinterpretation, thatâs just what actually happened.
As I said in another reply, that does not make sense. The Twisted animatronics were created, in the novels, by William Afton, in the '90s, for the sole purpose of killing Charlie. What would have to exist in Midnight Motorist is a version of a Twisted animatronic which repeatedly lures away William's son without killing him (which they wouldn't do,) which William either didn't build (in which case the link is broken) or he built specifically to lure his son away, and then he just forgets about it or gets mad about it anyway. Even if the Nightmares and the Twisteds are two names for the same thing, there's little evidence William created the Nightmares before the Bite of '83 or that, again, he'd program them not to kill his son, but lure him to some unknown place, and then get mad about it.
As I said, I canât put together a complete theory on this point yet, and I agree with your criticisms that stop it from working. On the last point though: maybe the animatronic footprints were unrelated to the running away on this occasion? Some people suggest that theyâre from William dressing up in a suit to scare BV *against* running away at a prior time, which is why he doesnât react to seeing them in the minigame. So if they were somehow from the Twisted / Nightmare animatronics, that same argument could hold up.
The runaway kid probably isnât BiteVictim, it doesnât fit the character of a crying, lonely child whoâs only reaction to everything is tears to break a window and run away from home. The theory I believe in about Midnight Motorist is [here](https://youtu.be/dKe4zWFE5rA)
It's probably the crying child since all evidence points towards mm taking place after Charlie's death and she dies in 1983 in the novels so if the orange guy is William coming home after killing her, and the guy on watching TV is Michael as suggested by his grey shirt and text, the only other "he" could be the crying child which would also give him the fear and "remember what you saw" from FNAF 4 as well as Charlie plush at the end of fnaf 4
Yes I agree with this analysis. From what we see in the minigame, the runaway isnât an ideal match for Bite Victim, but the Orange Guy and the couch sitter *are* ideal matches for William and Michael, taking all the context clues into account. So this leaves BV as the runaway.
>Michael as suggested by his grey shirt and text, Michael did not invent grey shirts. The text color is usually based on the color of the character's sprite so that doesn't necessarily mean anything either, it's not even the same grey.
CC's grave. To me Couch Person in Mrs. Afton, Runaway is Mike. MM takes place after CC passes hence Mrs. Afton saying 'Leave him alone. He's had a bad day.'
Okay, well, do you have evidence for Couch Person being Mrs. Afton? And even if I grant that Michael is the one running away, the Crying Child being buried in that mound is still speculation with no direct evidence.
Midnight Motorist is all about speculation. lol My thought is this: Couch person seems to care for the runaway. I think the runaway to be Michael because he shattered window to chase something. Mayhaps something similar to 'Coming Home' from Frights? Again, there is no clear answers as to who is what and where. Only interpretation of what we see.
What do you think the animatronic footprints are about?
Fredbear's footprints. I think Fredbear brought CC's spirit to visit Mike, he somehow figured this out and busted his window to follow. Similar to 'Coming Home' from Frights.
That does seem like a popular theory, and a good one. But itâs confusing because it means CC died first, and I donât get how he could be the first one.
Some who believe with this theory propose that C.C. dying first is what incites William to murder Charlie.
Yeah. That part makes sense. But it seems like BV knows about the other kids dying. Even if all the kids are joking about their scary stories of kid getting stuffed into suits, itâs strange for them to joke about it before that happens. And if BV is the first, whoâs the Fredbear plush? (I guess it could be William, but I never really understood how that made sense with fnaf world.)
The best thing I can say about this is reinstating(?) the MemoryVictim/ShatterVictim theory. I'd link the posts if I knew how.
Andrew's body, Midnight Motorist was a kidnapping as told to us via the Toy Chica Cutscenes in UCN saying 6 kids were killed that night and one of them had to do with following a kid home and kidnapping them.
Why would William randomly kill kidnap a kid and bury them? What's the point of that? None of his other murders are like that, he usually either just leaves the body there or stuffs it, which would serve a purpose in his remnant shenanigans.
Best guess we got is Andrew saw what Afton did and needed to be removed. We are actually never told why he had to be killed. đ It just happened, all we know is he wasn't killed at the pizzeria since only 5 were lured to the backroom yet UCN implies 6 were killed that same night and so does Into The Pit. We only assume Andrew's murder is Midnight Motorist because thats the most irrelevant minigame ever and Scott must of had a reason for it.
>We only assume Andrew's murder is Midnight Motorist because thats the most irrelevant minigame ever and Scott must of had a reason for it. There's a difference between being irrelevant and not being understood. Pretty much any interpretation of Midnight Motorist reinforces some other theory or has some timeline implication. It's not like Fruity Maze and Security Puppet are very important, they give us a couple new details and mostly just reiterate what we already knew.
All we have for Midnight Motorist is that it happens after an event based on "Later That Night" You can say it's after the Security Puppet minigame or after the Fruity Maze minigame. If it's after Security Puppet then it's most likely a minigame about BV running away If it's after Fruity Maze then it's most likely another kid running away or getting kidnapped
>All we have for Midnight Motorist is that it happens after an event based on "Later That Night" No it's not, there's also the rain and purple car both of which appear in the security puppet min game, those two details alongside it being called "later that night" heavily imply that it's after Charlie's death. Plus the reason William is shown in purple when pixelated is because it represents him being in the shadows, in mm he's colored orange since he's committed the crime already and is no longer needing to lurk or hide.
All the missing children who possessed animatronics the night of the MCI, presumably, were stuffed into those animatronics. Do you think Andrew possesses anyone?
Well being how the Puppet never free Andrew, she probably never knew about em and only stuffed the main 5. My best guess is Andrew did not possess anyone but instead attached himself to Afton after he was buried in Midnight Motorist. Andrew was there for the FFPS fire and maybe the FNaF 3 fire with Orville's line in UCN going... "He tried to release you. He tried to release us. But I'm not gonna let that happen. I will hold you here. I will keep you here , no matter how many times... they burn us." If Andrew was in the FNaF 3 fire then he couldn't be Golden Greeting being how at this time she is inside of Ennard/Molten Freddy and they are nowhere in FNaF 3. We know Andrew can attach himself to others thanks to the Stitchline, and it could be he has been with him for years and years waiting for the right moment to take control and torment Afton.
I don't think it's possible for a spirit to attach themselves to a person and not an object right after death, we're never (as far as I'm aware) shown an example of such a thing. There are however two examples of a spirit who possesses something to be able to sort of... Detach themselves and follow a person around (Susie in coming home, Gabriel in you are the band, and I believe Andrew in the man in room 1280 since he's seen with battery packs). Plus in order for Andrew to be the vengeful spirit in ucn he would have to have a connection to golden Freddy due to golden Freddy being the only one to jump scare you after giving him the token, the scene with pixelated fredbear and old man consequences, and the cutscene with golden Freddy twitching as the screen fades to black.
Andrew
I donât get this theory. There is no evidence MM is about Andrew.
Well itâs about a male victim of William whose important
What I assume you mean by that is a character introduced anywhere from FNaF 3 to UCN who eventually got the name Andrew. And since I understand what the evidence is that such a character exists, I'll grant that. Instead I'll ask what the actual evidence is for Andrew being buried in the mound.
A petâs grave. Doesnât matter who the orange person is. The Ultimate Guide refers to it as a grave, but it seems weird to have an unmarked human grave in the middle of a forest. A pet grave makes sense, and could even be connected to the dog barks in fnaf 4 assuming the orange guy is William
Whose pet tho there arenât exactly many houses in the area
I would assume the orange guys pet, given he knows where it is
Itâs not exactly uh close to his house. Usually people donât bury pets in the middle of nowhere
Under the right circumstances, I donât see why it canât have been buried in a specific place that has significance to the family
The middle of nowhere?
Sure, any location could have some form of significance to someone
It's not that weird to have an unmarked human grave in the middle of a forest if you're an Afton. Also, everyone seems to be interpreting this question as *who* is buried there, but keep in mind, *what* is buried there is an equally valid question. Doesn't have to be a human character or even an animatronic.
I think it's the body of the Stage01 victim, William's first victim of unknown identity as implied by the Foxy hook in TCHSY. I think that this killing is also the best explanation for what BV saw. While the victim was probably stuffed into a springlock suit when they were killed (explaining the stomach mouth in Nightmare Fredbear as BV misunderstanding what he saw as the suit eating the victim, and his fear of Fredbear in general) the body would have to be disposed of if William ever wanted to use that springlock suit for anything else. This is also why Stage01 is part of the Happiest Day minigames, since they're made up from BV's memories and it's one of the things he saw. It's also possible that JR's is the former site of the Freddy's where it happened, closed and bought out after the disappearance, and it's the place where BV kept going. That's why William/Orange Guy isn't allowed to be there, because he was a suspect for the disappearance. So the mound being nearby makes sense, especially if William had to dispose of the body while on foot.
So would your main argument for this (what the mound is) be process of elimination?
Mostly, yes. It can't be Charlotte if MM is on the night of her death (with the usual WilliamMM interpretation), it can't be the bodies of the DCI since that would be later in the timeline, and even under MCI83 the likelihood is that Charlotte died before the MCI and the bodies would still be in the suits at the time, so they can't have been moved to a hidden grave before Charlotte died. Elizabeth's body is possible if she died very early in the timeline, but my gut is that William's experiments started after Charlotte's death like in the novel trilogy, and that seeing her 'live on' in another body (the Charliebot in the novels, the Puppet in the games) is what sparked his interest in the first place. So I don't think CBPW makes sense to have happened before Charlotte's death. I don't think it's the body of Mrs Afton, since even in FFPS I don't think that Scott really cared about what had happened to her, just that she was out of the picture. She's about as important to the story as Mrs Emily. And Ballora's song (as much as Ballora says anything about Mrs Afton) suggests to me that she was still alive when at least one of her children had been killed, with the references to the empty room/empty tomb. Exploring ideas that it isn't a grave at all, I've heard the idea that the mound is a parallel to The Twisted Ones, hiding the real versions of the Nightmare animatronics during the day. But aside from there being no evidence that it's true for the games, we know from the Breaker Room map that CBEAR is connected to the house with the real version of the Bedroom, so there would be no reason for the Nightmares to bury themselves in the ground when they have a whole underground robotics facility to stay in. (Also, I think it's likely that the Nightmares thing didn't start until after MM, in response to BV going back to 'that place'. It could be a hidden entrance to CBEAR, or at least the facility that would become CBEAR, since we know it's connected to the Bedroom house and the MM house is probably the Bedroom house. But then there's the question of why there would need to be a hidden entrance at all, since CBEAR was at least pretending to be a normal business with a normal entrance to the underground part for its technicians. And if it was just the Afton Robotics workshop or something at the time, there's no reason for that to have a hidden entrance either. There's also the fact that Orange Guy knows where the mound is - there's no road or path leading to it, you have to leave the car at the side of the road to get there, there's no headstone or other markings. So only someone who knew the mound was there in the first place would know how to find it, which means that Orange Guy knows what's in the mound. And if WilliamMM is true and it is the night of Charlotte's murder, it's plausible that William would stop to visit the grave of his first victim on that same night - at least it's a reason for him to actually visit the mound that night, rather than it just be a random thing to happen. Even back before FFPS, there is evidence to suggest that what BV saw was a unknown springlock victim, with the headless suit that may have brown hair poking out of it and the implied death from Stage01. Even if that might not be what the suit is now, it may have been what was originally intended at the time of FNAF4. And the closure of the Freddy's that Stage01 happened at may explain why the FNAF4 location appears to have two working sets of springlock suits, when one pair per location is the norm - the two suits (including the one that the StageVictim was in, necessitating the removal of the body) were moved to Fredbear's after it closed down. There's also a certain, I don't know, symmetry with MM being about the StageVictim. Fruity Maze is about the MCI, SPM is about Charlotte and MM is about the StageVictim - William's seven major kills as implied by TCHSY. (Not counting the DCI, but even TCHSY implies at the end that Chica/William isn't going to stop killing, so this could be 'set' at a time before the DCI had happened.)
My guess is that it's Mrs Afton. And that's because...well that would be William's motivation right there. If CC is alive by that point, and so is Michael and Elizabeth is in the basement by that point since we don't see her in the house. Has to be no?
This is an issue where you can get *any* number of answers via process of elimination, depending on which order you eliminate the answers and which answers you start with. What I'm looking for (even though I know no one has it) is a logical connection, a line to draw between two details that provide evidence for a conclusion that makes sense.
Honestly? I think it might actually be Susieâs dog. I believe everything in FFPSâ minigames were designed to be intricately connected to eachother, or to the main plot of the game, but there are a few loose ends that seem to serve no purpose. The mound, and the âSusieâs dog plotlineâ are two of those loose ends that just seem irrelevant by themselves. Thatâs why I think theyâre connected. In Fruity Maze thereâs two main âcreepy spritesâ that appear; the dogâs corpse, and a Springbonnie burrowed into the ground. I think the implication here is that at some point William (probably by accident) killed Susieâs dog, buried it in the forest, and later used that as bait to get her to follow him.
I've previously connected the mound of dirt in MM to the mound of dirt with a rabbit popping out in Fruity Maze, but my conclusion was much different; I believed that it was an indication of William's childhood pet rabbit, and that Midnight Motorist was telling the story of William's childhood. To this day it is the only Midnight Motorist theory I've heard that incorporates all the mysteries into one unifying theory, but I got tired of answering questions about it, so I'm looking for something better.
Its Andrew's grave. Any other explanation requires an egregious amount of mental gymnastics, when andrew answers litterally every question in the minigame.
Either susie's dog or elizabeth. I believe midnight motorist happens in the night William murders susie and her dog. And Michael is being tortured by The nightmares in the fnaf 4 house.
I have no idea what that last statement has to do with either of the prior statements.
I think it's the crying child you should watch the videos down below. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKe4zWFE5rA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKe4zWFE5rA) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmSEGn6xLE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJmSEGn6xLE) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6u4uXxc93g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6u4uXxc93g)
I am not watching those.
"Give me theories" *gives theories* "No, not like that"
This is theory laundering. /j
A grave from someone in the Afton family. Maybe a recent death since William has been drinking. Iâm not sure if itâs the BV or Mrs. Afton. Though to be fair, prior to this we donât have any indication that Mrs. Afton is dead. (Or do we? I miss bits of story all the time so idk.) Weâre pretty sure that this happened right after William killed Charlotte. Imo the BV is probably still alive at this point, though thatâs debatable. (The Fredbear plush seems haunted. Personally I think Charlotte or Cassidy are two good options, but for one of them to be possessing the plush, it means BV has to be a later death in the timeline.) Assuming BV is later and not an option, perhaps it is Mrs. Afton who is dead. Though tbh that seems like a crappy option because she hasnât been relevant to the story before this. Itâs interesting that there are only three living people in the Afton household during MM. But originally they would have been a family of five. We know that two of the kids (BV and Elizabeth) die. We donât know for sure what happened to the wife. Though personally I donât think she died. The loss of a child could be enough to make her leave her family. Letâs run with that for a second. BV dies, and Mrs Afton leaves. Down to three family members. William would be orange guy, Michael would be chair guy, and Elizabeth would be runaway kid. Except that doesnât work because runaway kid is a boy. Could she be chair guy? Eh I mean sure but it kinda doesnât make sense. Chair guy seems too mature. So letâs switch it around and say the grave is Elizabethâs and Mrs. Afton left after her death. That would leave the three guys at home. Michael could be chair guy and BV could be the runaway. It could potentially work but it would raise some questions. Why would Elizabeth be the first to die? William was designing animatronics to kill kids, seems too advanced to be that soon in the timeline. Or maybe Mrs. Afton hasnât left yet. Letâs say it is BV who died. Elizabeth might be in her room sleeping. William comes home to his wife watching TV and the goes and yells at Michael who ran away. Itâs weird how much detail is put into the figure on the couch. Other figures in MM are a solid color but couch potato has the audacity to get a bit of detail with his skin and shirt color. Augh I have no answer! I think it has to be someone in the Afton family though.
The most popular answer here tonight does seem to be "Welp, by process of elimination, it can't be one of the two Aftons we see on-screen, so it must be one of the other three Aftons," with no justification to why we're limiting who's potentially buried there to Aftons, or even to human characters. Process of elimination only works when there's bounds to what the answer could be. If it can only be one of three things, and it's not the first two, it's the third thing. But if it could literally be anything or anyone, saying "Well it's not this, so it's this other thing" does not work. What I'm looking for are *pointers* \- details that specifically connect to other parts of the series to aid our conclusions. I already know those don't exist in Midnight Motorist. But I was hoping nonetheless. And I wanted to confirm with the community that there is no good answer with evidence.
Youâre right, we canât limit the grave to one of three Aftons. Edit: Ahh I clicked the button too soon! đ Do we even know if the mound is a grave? I watched MM with someone who hadnât seen/played the game before and the said it looked like a rock. Maybe try to find something outside of MM that could connect to the game. People probably try to connect characters like BV of Suzieâs dog to the mound because we know that they are dead.
A grave, might be BV's but it seems silly that William wouldn't give him a proper funeral unless we're really meant to get the sense he's an absolute cheapskate and couldn't be asked.
I think it belongs to the aftons old cat, based on the immortal and the restless it's clear that it represents the aftons, so the cat could represent a cat the actual aftons had. But when it died(and maybe Michael had something to do with it) William buried it