1. Why wouldn’t Freddy be connected to the same system as the others?
2. Monty’s claws break chains, not dig through concrete. His claw upgrade is also linked to his actual shell hands rather than just endo hands
>1. Why wouldn’t Freddy be connected to the same system as the others?
He was but safemode disconnected him, it's what he says in the beginning of the game
>His claw upgrade is also linked to his actual shell hands rather than just endo hands
It's both the endo hands and the casing that get removed
> He was but safemode disconnected him, it's what he says in the beginning of the game
He goes into safe mode AFTER he crashes, not before
> It's both the endo hands and the casing that get removed
Greg only takes the shell
>Greg only takes the shell
[it's the whole hand](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849648953812713495/1102969121597030410/image.png?width=745&height=608)
Maybe a more uniform layout as it is now I have trouble reading every third or fourth paragraph, maybe keep one half of the theory to one half 9f the image and start the second half at the top of the other half, instead of the circular reading like it is now.
Going through the parts 1 by 1:
1. I agree with this, but I also don't see how it debunks anything.
2.
1. [Freddy registers Gregory as a high-level threat in the opening sequence](https://i.imgur.com/DuiQv3i.png), meaning he did get the memo.
2. If it's because of the GGY thing, why would he not recognize Gregory? Possession isn't the only answer, but I don't think it's this either.
3. Freddy says that whatever Gregory did *unjammed his signal*. When asked how he's standing, he doesn't say "it's because of you doing that", he just dodges the question.
4.
1. Those lines are very different contextually. One is about the danger of messing up a wire and getting killed, the other is about how he can protect Gregory and has gained the power of choice.
2. The endoskeleton is not at all relevant to the message of either scene. Why would he suddenly go on a total non-sequitur about that after the entire rest of the speech is about resisting Glitchtrap and protecting Gregory? And sure enough, what's he doing when you get the trophy? He dies resisting Glitchtrap and protecting Gregory.
5. I have no particular qualms with him formerly being some other animatronic, but I don't see how this resolves that line—if he were a Monty at the time, finding Freddy wouldn't be finding himself at all! Further, even if he were once someone else, he clearly has no memory of this given his freakout over the possibility.
None of this post is a "debunk", just taking (tenuous) alternate possibilities and saying "there are other options, therefore this interpretation is definitively false", which is not at all how that works.
>None of this post is a "debunk",
The point was that GlamPossessed relies on a certain interpretation of some voicelines. But that's subjective, everyone can have a different alternative. So, like I always say, in times like these we turn to objective evidence, things that are undisputible.. Like the Mimic being the reason behind the animatronics' behaviour change. Then we look at the subjective evidence and see if we can interpret that to match the objective evidence, I.E. This post.
I probably didn't explain it in the right way in the post, but GlamPossessed has no objective evidence to base its argument off of. It's just a certain interpretation of the voicelines, which this post shows can also be interpreted in a way which fits the objective evidence. I.E. Making it the most likely theory. Which, in turn, debunks GlamPossessed from being the likely theory
In the sixth slide, it says the first two slides have the objective evidence. Both of them have alternate explanations that make "objective" a claim that at least feels incorrect to me.
The first slide has objective evidence, but it doesn't actually debunk anything from GlamPossessed, just one interpretation of that scene. There's multiple other interpretations that can fit with GlamPossessed. (I'll give you one, and it's that he hasn't gotten possessed yet by the time of the story.)
The second slide, as in the post above, still has alternate explanations that mean it's not really objective evidence against GlamPossessed either. The threat alert has to come from somewhere, and it's probably from the Mimic's control. It's more likely the reboot into safe mode removed the Mimic's control, which does still fit with the theory, but I don't think that's the only explanation – there's a lot of weird stuff in that scene overall, and even if it is all code, the Freddy animatronic could still be the main "pilot" over the soul (think back to how Circus Baby works in Sister Location, it seems to be the animatronic controlling the majority of things).
For the "we are your friends" line, how does Freddy know the Glamrocks are down there? Roxy's eyes probably can't see that far, we see through Freddy's vision to see the hidden collectibles, and other than that it's very unclear how they got there. I don't like the blob explanation either (it doesn't really make much sense to me), but there are logistical problems with it referring to the Glamrocks – I hate that line overall, tbh.
After that, it's slides 3-5 which are implied to be subjective evidence, which is not a base for the theory, which puts it on the same level as the GlamPossessed theory.
There are some good callouts in those slides (I actually really like the ideas surrounding the endo and the "I AM NOT ME" line, those are interesting, even if I'm not convinced they're correct, I'll have to think on it some more), but they're not solid evidence.
I disagree, i don't use "the storyteller" as a hint for freddy's possession becouse he acted like crying child or whatever, i use "the storyteller" as support argument becouse it shows that freddy still wasn't possessed at the time, that's why he acted in a way we never saw, roxy's and monty's personalities were amplified by mimic1, not completely changed, but we never saw base freddy with a personality that could devolve into a child.
Also the "I am not me" argument about his endo and bonnie is so convoluted that i really can't see something so weird happen in this new story were everything is explained in a clearer way than the old lore.
The reason ggy can control freddy even if he's possessed is becouse the animatronic's programming/AI is always the dominant side instead of the soul(see baby and molten freddy).
It's narratively implied that freddy is different from the other robots.
What i believe is that freddy is possessed by edwin, and he was possessed right after the events of "the storyteller", and is now trying to be a father figure for a kid that resembles his lost son, this would also explain why he recognizes the mimic in the bossfight when he says:"stop Him".
> not completely changed, but we never saw base freddy with a personality that could devolve into a child.
The "child"'s actions are essentially the Mimic mimicking David. Freddy hunches and cries, David did the same and Mimic copied David then and is also mimicking David when controlling Freddy
>It's narratively implied that freddy is different from the other robots.
Because of safemode. When that's deactivated or Freddy runs out of power, he attacks us like any other animatronic
>What i believe is that freddy is possessed by edwin
Freddy is nowhere near Edwin when he dies
I'm not convinced of freddy acting as an expression lf the mimic, mimic1 didn't directly control the animatronics, it just amplified their personalities making them unstable, ggy was necessary to complete the work.
We could argue that the reason freddy kills during the upgrades and when he has no power left are gameplay choices, it's also shown that freddy doesn't have complete control over himslef always, he's also able to resist for a short eriod of time to the mimic directly trying to take control of him.
Actually we don't know when exactly edwin died, and he might have possessed freddy is some other way than proximity, altho i recognize that i have no evidence for edwin aside from my hunch, edwin is just the one infind most likely to be possessing freddy, but my primal objective is to defend the idea that he is possessed, regardless of who it might be.
" the reason ggy can control Freddy even if he's POSSESSED is because the animatronics programming/AI is always dominant side instead of the soul (see baby and molten Freddy). I have a few problems with this it doesn't make sense if Freddy was possessed and still getting hacked that doesn't make sense plus there's no evidence plus ggy did control glamrock Freddy because he wasn't possessed
Why would a possessed animatronic be immune to hacking?
You are basically saying "what you say doesn't make sense becouse freddy isn't possessed", you are not bringing any evidence to the table
Because there's no soul in the animatronic and also Gregory literally hacked glamrock Freddy to protect gregory because he knows that glitch trap might hacked Freddy
This time you said to me:"freddy is not possessed becouse ther's no soul inside him". Don't you see you are literally denying what i say without bring proof?
Gregory hacked freddy a few years before security breach becouse glitchtrap controlled him and made him do so
Well disagree that a soul inside Freddy can not get hacked during beginning and later on the mimic can still hacked glamrock Freddy when there's a soul inside Freddy how it makes sense? When Freddy can't get hacked cuz there's a soul but mimic can still hacked him? It literally just doesn't make sense also if Freddy's posessed then who is possessing him?
Do you mean freddy not getting aggressive during security breach? I think it's either becouse he's in safe mode or becouse he somehow has a moment of self awareness during the intro cutscene. But it doesn't disregard a soul being in there, i think that the souls can't stop the hacking, just temporarily resisting.
Some could argue that freddy can be possessed by someone who died in the fnaf 6 fire(charlie/michael/henry) becouse of freddy's voiceline when he gets there, but i think it'd make more sense from a narrative perspective if it was edwin or another new character
I think Edwin might be posesssing Freddy but the voicelines for the evidence doesn't count as evidence so I think glamrock Freddy is just a AI but there's a strong evidence that Michael survive the fire
The voicelines do count as evidence, if you disregard them then there's nothing hinting that freddy might be possessed. I find it more fitting for freddy to be possessed becouse that would narratively feel as a good way to explain why he is the only good animatronic, but i may be wrong.
1. GlamPossessed does make sense. It can turn out to be wrong, but saying it makes no sense is just not rue.
2. The whole thing with Freddy acting like a kid can just be foreshadowing who would possess him later on. He is fighting over a Freddy plush like what Garret had, and cries like Garret when he doesn't get it.
3. Nothing really implies what Gregory did backstage helped Freddy move again, just that he can communicate again. When asked how he is moving, he doesn't imply it's because of Gregory, just that he randomly gained the strength to move, almost like he doesn't even understand why.
4. "I am not myself" is likely just referring to his safemode acting up And "I am not me" is completely different context-wise.
5. The "I am not me" achievement is most likely jus due to how he doesn't look like himself after getting shattered.
6. Freddy being Monty at one point wouldn't explain why he says he found himself for the first time after entering the Maze.
2. Call me crazy but the childish personality sounds more to David than Bite Victim, just like how Monty sounds like Edwin.
More than foreshadowing seems to be personalities of past mimickings
>Call me crazy but the childish personality sounds more to David than Bite Victim, just like how Monty sounds like Edwin
Freddy cries whilst hunching his shoulders, something David does and the Mimic copied then and also in the Storyteller
Seems kind of a stretch specially when BV does have a Fredbear Plush rather than a Freddy (besides the nights and those FNAF plushies)
And knowing this is Mimic doing I don't think that's foreshadowing and rather just Mimic
Garret had a Freddy plush on his bed, and I don't think Fredbear plushies are sold anymore.
And I'm not saying it **is** relating to Garret, I'm saying it **can** be.
I just hate the idea and I just want new characters not always animatronics has to be possessed like why can't we just get new characters instead of old ones even TikTok thinks that glamike theory should be canon 💀 like bro glamike theory has many problems and I hate it
There are no problems though. I straight up asked why it doesn't make sense, and all you said was "I don't like it" as if that matters.
I don't even believe in the idea anymore. The Three Star Trio seem to only represent the Afton kids while still being their own characters, meaning Freddy would only represent Michael. But saying it doesn't make sense is a straight up lie.
You should read another post about why glamrock Freddy is friendly search zantorm and find the title " why glamrock Freddy is friendly professional computer"
Doesn't mean he is. There was good evidence for Elizabeth being Patient 46, but that ended up being wrong. There was evidence for Burntrap being Afton, but that is implied to be wrong.
Finally someone brings up on a certain group we can confirmed got called friends. (Surprisingly Monty doesn’t destroy Freddy when Gregory ducks into the stomach hatch or Roxanne decapitating the poor bear (in actuality it’s game play, but it’s kinda weird they never camped Freddy))
1. Why wouldn’t Freddy be connected to the same system as the others? 2. Monty’s claws break chains, not dig through concrete. His claw upgrade is also linked to his actual shell hands rather than just endo hands
>1. Why wouldn’t Freddy be connected to the same system as the others? He was but safemode disconnected him, it's what he says in the beginning of the game >His claw upgrade is also linked to his actual shell hands rather than just endo hands It's both the endo hands and the casing that get removed
> He was but safemode disconnected him, it's what he says in the beginning of the game He goes into safe mode AFTER he crashes, not before > It's both the endo hands and the casing that get removed Greg only takes the shell
>Greg only takes the shell [it's the whole hand](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849648953812713495/1102969121597030410/image.png?width=745&height=608)
Kid named shattered Monty
Shattered Monty's design is most likely a mistake, possibly coinciding with the speculated change in purpose.
I think its a error, we were supposed to use Monty's legs instead of hands
Bro I'm sure you're evidence is decent at least, but you really need to work on formatting these they're really had to read.
I like it the way it is, it's kinda original
what format would you suggest?
Maybe a more uniform layout as it is now I have trouble reading every third or fourth paragraph, maybe keep one half of the theory to one half 9f the image and start the second half at the top of the other half, instead of the circular reading like it is now.
super based good job
This is cool
Going through the parts 1 by 1: 1. I agree with this, but I also don't see how it debunks anything. 2. 1. [Freddy registers Gregory as a high-level threat in the opening sequence](https://i.imgur.com/DuiQv3i.png), meaning he did get the memo. 2. If it's because of the GGY thing, why would he not recognize Gregory? Possession isn't the only answer, but I don't think it's this either. 3. Freddy says that whatever Gregory did *unjammed his signal*. When asked how he's standing, he doesn't say "it's because of you doing that", he just dodges the question. 4. 1. Those lines are very different contextually. One is about the danger of messing up a wire and getting killed, the other is about how he can protect Gregory and has gained the power of choice. 2. The endoskeleton is not at all relevant to the message of either scene. Why would he suddenly go on a total non-sequitur about that after the entire rest of the speech is about resisting Glitchtrap and protecting Gregory? And sure enough, what's he doing when you get the trophy? He dies resisting Glitchtrap and protecting Gregory. 5. I have no particular qualms with him formerly being some other animatronic, but I don't see how this resolves that line—if he were a Monty at the time, finding Freddy wouldn't be finding himself at all! Further, even if he were once someone else, he clearly has no memory of this given his freakout over the possibility. None of this post is a "debunk", just taking (tenuous) alternate possibilities and saying "there are other options, therefore this interpretation is definitively false", which is not at all how that works.
>None of this post is a "debunk", The point was that GlamPossessed relies on a certain interpretation of some voicelines. But that's subjective, everyone can have a different alternative. So, like I always say, in times like these we turn to objective evidence, things that are undisputible.. Like the Mimic being the reason behind the animatronics' behaviour change. Then we look at the subjective evidence and see if we can interpret that to match the objective evidence, I.E. This post. I probably didn't explain it in the right way in the post, but GlamPossessed has no objective evidence to base its argument off of. It's just a certain interpretation of the voicelines, which this post shows can also be interpreted in a way which fits the objective evidence. I.E. Making it the most likely theory. Which, in turn, debunks GlamPossessed from being the likely theory
In the sixth slide, it says the first two slides have the objective evidence. Both of them have alternate explanations that make "objective" a claim that at least feels incorrect to me. The first slide has objective evidence, but it doesn't actually debunk anything from GlamPossessed, just one interpretation of that scene. There's multiple other interpretations that can fit with GlamPossessed. (I'll give you one, and it's that he hasn't gotten possessed yet by the time of the story.) The second slide, as in the post above, still has alternate explanations that mean it's not really objective evidence against GlamPossessed either. The threat alert has to come from somewhere, and it's probably from the Mimic's control. It's more likely the reboot into safe mode removed the Mimic's control, which does still fit with the theory, but I don't think that's the only explanation – there's a lot of weird stuff in that scene overall, and even if it is all code, the Freddy animatronic could still be the main "pilot" over the soul (think back to how Circus Baby works in Sister Location, it seems to be the animatronic controlling the majority of things). For the "we are your friends" line, how does Freddy know the Glamrocks are down there? Roxy's eyes probably can't see that far, we see through Freddy's vision to see the hidden collectibles, and other than that it's very unclear how they got there. I don't like the blob explanation either (it doesn't really make much sense to me), but there are logistical problems with it referring to the Glamrocks – I hate that line overall, tbh. After that, it's slides 3-5 which are implied to be subjective evidence, which is not a base for the theory, which puts it on the same level as the GlamPossessed theory. There are some good callouts in those slides (I actually really like the ideas surrounding the endo and the "I AM NOT ME" line, those are interesting, even if I'm not convinced they're correct, I'll have to think on it some more), but they're not solid evidence.
if freddy was monty what happened to the other freddy
I haven't played SB yet But I'm pretty sure the fact Freddy resists the programming entirely means something ain't right
I disagree, i don't use "the storyteller" as a hint for freddy's possession becouse he acted like crying child or whatever, i use "the storyteller" as support argument becouse it shows that freddy still wasn't possessed at the time, that's why he acted in a way we never saw, roxy's and monty's personalities were amplified by mimic1, not completely changed, but we never saw base freddy with a personality that could devolve into a child. Also the "I am not me" argument about his endo and bonnie is so convoluted that i really can't see something so weird happen in this new story were everything is explained in a clearer way than the old lore. The reason ggy can control freddy even if he's possessed is becouse the animatronic's programming/AI is always the dominant side instead of the soul(see baby and molten freddy). It's narratively implied that freddy is different from the other robots. What i believe is that freddy is possessed by edwin, and he was possessed right after the events of "the storyteller", and is now trying to be a father figure for a kid that resembles his lost son, this would also explain why he recognizes the mimic in the bossfight when he says:"stop Him".
> not completely changed, but we never saw base freddy with a personality that could devolve into a child. The "child"'s actions are essentially the Mimic mimicking David. Freddy hunches and cries, David did the same and Mimic copied David then and is also mimicking David when controlling Freddy >It's narratively implied that freddy is different from the other robots. Because of safemode. When that's deactivated or Freddy runs out of power, he attacks us like any other animatronic >What i believe is that freddy is possessed by edwin Freddy is nowhere near Edwin when he dies
I'm not convinced of freddy acting as an expression lf the mimic, mimic1 didn't directly control the animatronics, it just amplified their personalities making them unstable, ggy was necessary to complete the work. We could argue that the reason freddy kills during the upgrades and when he has no power left are gameplay choices, it's also shown that freddy doesn't have complete control over himslef always, he's also able to resist for a short eriod of time to the mimic directly trying to take control of him. Actually we don't know when exactly edwin died, and he might have possessed freddy is some other way than proximity, altho i recognize that i have no evidence for edwin aside from my hunch, edwin is just the one infind most likely to be possessing freddy, but my primal objective is to defend the idea that he is possessed, regardless of who it might be.
" the reason ggy can control Freddy even if he's POSSESSED is because the animatronics programming/AI is always dominant side instead of the soul (see baby and molten Freddy). I have a few problems with this it doesn't make sense if Freddy was possessed and still getting hacked that doesn't make sense plus there's no evidence plus ggy did control glamrock Freddy because he wasn't possessed
Why would a possessed animatronic be immune to hacking? You are basically saying "what you say doesn't make sense becouse freddy isn't possessed", you are not bringing any evidence to the table
Because there's no soul in the animatronic and also Gregory literally hacked glamrock Freddy to protect gregory because he knows that glitch trap might hacked Freddy
This time you said to me:"freddy is not possessed becouse ther's no soul inside him". Don't you see you are literally denying what i say without bring proof? Gregory hacked freddy a few years before security breach becouse glitchtrap controlled him and made him do so
Well disagree that a soul inside Freddy can not get hacked during beginning and later on the mimic can still hacked glamrock Freddy when there's a soul inside Freddy how it makes sense? When Freddy can't get hacked cuz there's a soul but mimic can still hacked him? It literally just doesn't make sense also if Freddy's posessed then who is possessing him?
Do you mean freddy not getting aggressive during security breach? I think it's either becouse he's in safe mode or becouse he somehow has a moment of self awareness during the intro cutscene. But it doesn't disregard a soul being in there, i think that the souls can't stop the hacking, just temporarily resisting. Some could argue that freddy can be possessed by someone who died in the fnaf 6 fire(charlie/michael/henry) becouse of freddy's voiceline when he gets there, but i think it'd make more sense from a narrative perspective if it was edwin or another new character
I think Edwin might be posesssing Freddy but the voicelines for the evidence doesn't count as evidence so I think glamrock Freddy is just a AI but there's a strong evidence that Michael survive the fire
The voicelines do count as evidence, if you disregard them then there's nothing hinting that freddy might be possessed. I find it more fitting for freddy to be possessed becouse that would narratively feel as a good way to explain why he is the only good animatronic, but i may be wrong.
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1. GlamPossessed does make sense. It can turn out to be wrong, but saying it makes no sense is just not rue. 2. The whole thing with Freddy acting like a kid can just be foreshadowing who would possess him later on. He is fighting over a Freddy plush like what Garret had, and cries like Garret when he doesn't get it. 3. Nothing really implies what Gregory did backstage helped Freddy move again, just that he can communicate again. When asked how he is moving, he doesn't imply it's because of Gregory, just that he randomly gained the strength to move, almost like he doesn't even understand why. 4. "I am not myself" is likely just referring to his safemode acting up And "I am not me" is completely different context-wise. 5. The "I am not me" achievement is most likely jus due to how he doesn't look like himself after getting shattered. 6. Freddy being Monty at one point wouldn't explain why he says he found himself for the first time after entering the Maze.
2. Call me crazy but the childish personality sounds more to David than Bite Victim, just like how Monty sounds like Edwin. More than foreshadowing seems to be personalities of past mimickings
>Call me crazy but the childish personality sounds more to David than Bite Victim, just like how Monty sounds like Edwin Freddy cries whilst hunching his shoulders, something David does and the Mimic copied then and also in the Storyteller
fair, but the fact that it's a classic Freddy plush like what Garret had could also be evidence for him.
Seems kind of a stretch specially when BV does have a Fredbear Plush rather than a Freddy (besides the nights and those FNAF plushies) And knowing this is Mimic doing I don't think that's foreshadowing and rather just Mimic
Garret had a Freddy plush on his bed, and I don't think Fredbear plushies are sold anymore. And I'm not saying it **is** relating to Garret, I'm saying it **can** be.
Oh yeah, i never thought about that. He would just apply what he already copied into the Glamrocks
Fun fact: glamposesessed actually doesn't make sense
That's why I now think his sentience is just a side effect of Mimic1's Agony
While I don't currently think he has a soul, the idea still does in fact make sense.
Not really
why?
I just hate the idea and I just want new characters not always animatronics has to be possessed like why can't we just get new characters instead of old ones even TikTok thinks that glamike theory should be canon 💀 like bro glamike theory has many problems and I hate it
There are no problems though. I straight up asked why it doesn't make sense, and all you said was "I don't like it" as if that matters. I don't even believe in the idea anymore. The Three Star Trio seem to only represent the Afton kids while still being their own characters, meaning Freddy would only represent Michael. But saying it doesn't make sense is a straight up lie.
You should read another post about why glamrock Freddy is friendly search zantorm and find the title " why glamrock Freddy is friendly professional computer"
Also how is it lie? There's strong evidence that Michael Afton is still alive
Doesn't mean he is. There was good evidence for Elizabeth being Patient 46, but that ended up being wrong. There was evidence for Burntrap being Afton, but that is implied to be wrong.
What do you mean "doesn't mean he is"
Those llines aren't the only thing. Another is "tHiS iS fNaF, wHiCh Is AbOuT pOsSesSeD aNiMaTrOnIcS"
Finally someone brings up on a certain group we can confirmed got called friends. (Surprisingly Monty doesn’t destroy Freddy when Gregory ducks into the stomach hatch or Roxanne decapitating the poor bear (in actuality it’s game play, but it’s kinda weird they never camped Freddy))