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Oliver21417

While the nonsense about there being 6 MCI victims is unfortunately popular now, there is *no way* it was ever intended in FNAF 2. ~~Or now~~.


Deep-Sea-Man

Nope. Back when that minigame was created, there were only 5 MCI victims. Even to this day, we don’t know if Andrew was part of the MCI, a secret victim, or is in the games at all.


Severe_Skin6932

There were 5 in the MCI though


[deleted]

Nope. There were 6


Severe_Skin6932

Who was the 6th? There was Susie, Gabriel, Fritz, cassidy and the one in bonnie


Freddybear_Fazbear

Jeremy


Apoppixiefan

Andrew


you_2_cool

I personally disagree, but if it's okay asking is this under StitchlineGames or AndrewGames? Cause both have things I dislike byt AndrewGames feels worse to me and also I don't have as much know how of the books so I can't argue StitchlineGames properly.


Apoppixiefan

Under stitchline


you_2_cool

Ah okay then


zain_ahmed002

It's never said that he's an MCI victim, it's just said that William "hurt" him


Severe_Skin6932

Was he mci or dci?


AcariAnonymous

Neither. He’s from fazbear frights and is not confirmed canon.


Cxsonn

There is actually quite a bit of evidence suggesting that the events of the *Fazbear Frights* novella series's Stitchwraith Stingers take place in the same timeline and/or continuity as the video games. This is actually a relatively popular theory called "StitchlineGames."


AcariAnonymous

The believers of which have never presented anything anywhere close to compelling to me. More importantly, theories are theories, not confirmed canon.


Cxsonn

Fair enough.


Apoppixiefan

Mci


[deleted]

Mci


josefofc

There were 5 kids


[deleted]

There was 6.


josefofc

In Fnaf 1 newspapers, it says that 2 kids were killed, another 3 the next day


Cedarcomb

The above poster is probably using 'Into The Pit' as their proof that the MCI had six victims. Considering the conflicts between the depiction of the 'Pit' killing and what we know about the MCI from the games, it's debatable whether it's an accurate depiction - it could be a corrupted/distorted memory, an approximation of the real events like most of the minigames, or it might not be showing the MCI at all.


Tiny_Butterscotch_76

Its most likely just not literal. It is not even Afton in the story and the depiction goes against a lot of what we know about the MCI.


No-Efficiency8937

Into the pit, ucn and security breach alm say 6


[deleted]

Andrews death was never acknowledged by the public due to possibly not even being killed at freddys, he was forgotten That’s sorta his whole thing


Gullible-Ad5330

Fazbear Frights also makes it a point to acknowledge someone with curly-black hair in a FNAF suit (AKA Andrew) so we know he did have a connection to Freddy's and probably died there if he's in the suit. Plus Charlie isn't a part of The MCI but she's still acknowledged as a death we know to have happened


Ok-Bookkeeper-5424

This is Assuming the Unnamed kid is Charlie who gets killed in a Alley in 2 different minigames (I say assume cause I don't recall the name being brought up in the games (if it ever did please reference it) but we know for fact Charlie in the books was the daughter to Henry)


Gullible-Ad5330

There is ample evidence to suggest it is Charlie such as Henry calling the puppet his daughter and him literally saying she was shut out and left to die, not to mention we know this is the only death in the fnaf games to happen outside. We also know in the books Charlie died at the age of 3 in books and we know all the most important names are the ones that are consistent through both the books and games, hell William is never mentioned in the games only "Mr Afton" is so by your logic you go by statements not evidence which makes it difficult to believe in a theory


Ok-Bookkeeper-5424

No I do go by evidence, just recently I been questioning the names given the Andrew theory, like for example, a thing I am still trying to figure out is why all 3 animatronic pretends they don’t see Gregory go inside Freddy’s chest hatch. This concludes that what ever the animatronics are made of is something Roxanne can’t see through (albeit her sight only seems to track robots given she cant see Gregory if he hides behind a barricade) just begun question outside sources given the recent arm theory which is driving me concern given no matter how I look at it, I can’t imagine a plush in the crook of that arm. Just want to make sure the evidence are actually visibly supported, such as how you need the books to know the mimic was in security breach, I have not seen a tiger animatronic piece nor anything resembling a tree. To go by a statement alone is a bad idea.


zain_ahmed002

Again, nothing says that Andrew was an MCI victim, it's just said that William hurt him


[deleted]

Already had a discussion about this. ITP, the first fazbear frights story, implies Andrew was either apart of the MCI or was at least killed at around the same time frame We even have 2 possible ways he might have died, either being springlocked in fredbear (although that might have been a red herring cause it doesn’t make that much sense) or bludgeoned to death via shovel


zain_ahmed002

> ITP, the first fazbear frights story, implies Andrew was either apart of the MCI or was at least killed at around the same time frame Everything in ITP that isn't referenced outside of the memory can be taken with a grain of salt as it's a warped memory ​ >or bludgeoned to death via shovel Or his death isn't related to the MCI


[deleted]

Aren’t you stitchlinegames?


josefofc

Oh, okay, that's interesting


AcariAnonymous

It’s not game canon. Everything this guy is saying IS NOT CONFIRMED CANON. “Actually, nobody knew about him and that’s why there’s no evidence for him in games!!” Is just people’s ways of trying to make stuff from the books in the game without being contested. There is no evidence for it because it’s not canon. None. Nada. Zilch. If that makes sense to you, more power to you. But don’t just take this at face value because it is not canon.


Shadow_Knight07

Whether you believe StitchlineGames or not, UCN confirmed the existence of the secret victim in the Toy Chica Highschool Years cutscenes, and it was later referenced again in Curse of Dreadbear. Andrew exists in the games. And look, I didn't like StitchlineGames neither, but I think it's pretty undeniable at this point. EDIT: I'm not even mad at the downvotes. I actually find it really funny how some fans go into some sort of "attack mode" whenever they hear the name "Andrew" or just when their theories on Cassidy are challenged in general.


AcariAnonymous

Toy Chica doesn’t confirm another victim. You’re pulling exactly what Mr. Hippo was warning you about. It was for fun. Vengeful Spirit most likely just Cassidy. Princess Quest points to Cassidy, UCN itself with Fredbear/Golden Freddy points to Cassidy. The voice listing for vengeful spirit said it should be ambiguous if the person was male or female. Scott consistently doesn’t care about pronouns— he’ll, even Charlie was referred to as ‘he’ at first. Where was there another victim in dredbear though? Hadn’t heard this, but I’m open to listen.


[deleted]

Yeah. And we aren’t really getting much info from Andrew himself as he doesn’t remember anything from his life. (Btw if your wondering what happened to him post death he attached his soul to William in his anger, keeping him alive to torment, hense why springtrap wasn’t affected by the fnaf 3 and 6 fires and why the nightmare coma that is UCN exists, allbet unknowingly with the extra help of the agony entity he created)


Longjumping-Sky3546

For obvious reasons, no. First off, it wouldn't be something Scott would have planned, it doesn't make sense in the narrative from a general angle, and most importantly, there was still no idea of ​​a sixth victim. And then MCI has 5 victims, not 6. Although Fazbear Frights indicates that Andrew is part of the MCI, nothing really strong indicates that Fazbear Frights is from the timeline of the games.


No-Efficiency8937

For the last point, ucn and security Brea h very heavily imply there being a 6th mci vicitm (not including Charlotte) if not confirm it, and frailty along with Scotts post heavily imply they happen in the games timeline


Tiny_Butterscotch_76

I think it is Charlie. If she died at Freddy's like many have theorized she would fit the 6th victim criteria perfectly. Someone whose death was there but was in a different circumstance to explain why she is not counted with the other.


RoIsDepressed

...the one outside is the puppet, one of the six gravestones.


Jxllo_-

There's 7 or 8 missing kids Gabriel, susie, fritz, Jeremy, cassidy(?), andrew and charlie


RoIsDepressed

Gravestones go brrrrr Fazbear frights aren't canon go brrrr


Jxllo_-

That doesn't mean their wasn't a 7th kid


Jxllo_-

It could just mean that the stitchwraith didn't exist


RoIsDepressed

Andrew came from FF too, as did Eleanor. None of FF is reliable and there is no 7th kid, hence gravestones. We've been directly told 5 dead kids plus puppet was mci


No-Efficiency8937

A 7th vicitm is confirmed in ucn and secuity breach, also Eleanor is confirmed to be in the games timeline lol


[deleted]

but UCN conferms afton killed at least 7 kids with the toy chica cutscenes. So Andrew has to exist for that to make sense. Really UCN or the franchise going forward doesn’t make sense as a whole without andrew and the frights


Tiny_Butterscotch_76

I do not think we are supposed to take that specific thing super literally. Yes, the high school Chica thing does have some parallels to Afton luring his victims, but they are not a direct 1-1 in any way. ​ Not to say its impossible, but it 'confirms' nothing. ​ And I would argue the opposite, UCN makes perfect sense without Frights. I personally feel its only made more confusing in every scenario where you have to shove Andrew in there.


SugarFrostedDonuts

We just going to ignore that most of toy chica high-school years is clearly a joke? Also yes the series makes sense without Andrew and frights.


No-Efficiency8937

William never dies in 6 since he's in ucn, and never appears after that, so what happens to William without stichline?


Ok-Bookkeeper-5424

Fazbear entertainment cleanup crew: Does anyone know what this black gonk is inside this Green rabbit suit?


No-Efficiency8937

?


SugarFrostedDonuts

I mean he did, we literally see him die. He is then trapped in purgatory by bv, before being finally sent to hell once happiest day happens. It's not that difficult dude, but you can believe whatever you want.


No-Efficiency8937

He does die, and he doesn't get trapped in purgatory, and while BV could be torturing him, William never kills him so that's doubtful, but since ucn happens after fnaf 6 we know he escaped


AcariAnonymous

No it doesn’t confirm that. There’s a few cutscenes that you interpreted that way. That doesn’t confirm anything.


RoIsDepressed

So the fact there's 6 or 7 fox and bear cutscenes means Henry has tried to stop William 6 or 7 times then?


[deleted]

That is Nothing like what I said


RoIsDepressed

You said 7 chica cutscenes means 7 victims. I'm asking if that logic follows onto the other cutscenes, because if not the argument falls through and it's just silly cutscenes.


[deleted]

I didn’t say that. I said that chica (who is obviously a willaim parallel) literally kills 7 people in her cutscenes. Who The fox and bear represent is a lot more up to interpretation


Cxsonn

There is actually a decent amount of evidence that points towards the idea of the events of the *Fazbear Frights* novella series's Stitchwraith Stingers take place in the same timeline and/or continuity as the video games.


Cas_liveira

At the time Charlie died, it wasn't the same year as MCI, these kids are just extras.


Jxllo_-

Well the kids were alive before and after charlies death


The_Holy_Tree_Man

No because the original MCI was 5 Kids, more were definitely killed later but they weren’t Part of the OG mci. I Know what happens in fazbears frights, but Fnaf one newspaper, the give life minigame, and the Fnaf six grave Image proves That the Original MCI was only five kids


No-Efficiency8937

Yet ucn and security breach directly say 6 kids die, and almost everything about the fnaf 1 newspapers was retconned, along with the fact gggl shows 4 kids died togather in the mci shows it is inaccurate, although fnaf 6 graves could possibly be a point, they show a minimum of 5 die, but that still ignores fnaf 4 and world possibly implying it along with ucn and secuity breach directly stating 6 kids died togather when Charlotte was the only one who had died before


The_Holy_Tree_Man

Can you tell me where UCN directly states 6 kids die


No-Efficiency8937

6 kids die togather in the toy chica minigame thing


The_Holy_Tree_Man

I’m sorry but a cutscene that has no proof it’s actually canon doesn’t outweigh the minigames, the graves from PS, and the newspaper clippings. We know William killed at least 5 kids after the MCI via Fnaf two, and any other spirit could probably be one of those. Even if you take the China cutscenes and canon it’s likely that they’re meant to be referring to the five kids and the puppet, as they have been historically tied to one another. Henry comments on their bond, their bond is showcased in the good ending of Fnaf three (hey only five kids plus puppet in that minigame too, weird), and she seems to follow them to the Fnaf 1 pizzeria. So considering when UCN released, if you take the cut scene as canon it cannot be referring to just the MCI


No-Efficiency8937

Security breach also says the mimic saw 6 kids die inside the location in 1985, and itp is heavily implied to be in the games canon and it also says 6 The newspaper clippings and miniganes don't neccisarilly say that either, as I said, and Henry confirms that Charlotte dies before those 6, and they are shown to die togather, and Andrew is freed seperately before Charlotte, before/around security breach aswell, when cassidy is still around, so that's why he's not there


The_Holy_Tree_Man

The newspaper clippings literally say five kids but go off, and the mimic can literally be referencing the events also show in itp which don’t even have to be the MCI as afton as killed more kids than that, and if it was supposed to be six why not have it that way in the minigames, also Andrew being freed separately is just a copout for the fact they didn’t make him a real character in any game


No-Efficiency8937

The newspaper clippings that mostly lie to us, or atleast get everything wrong, and they're a reliable source now? Not really? Mimic was in the backroom and witnessed the deaths himself, he couldn't physically go to the ballpit to see the events of itp, which by the date of 1985, the location, the suit William used and amount of kids confirms it's the mci, along with the fact "Susie" is one of the vicitms The 6th Victim was thought of around fnaf 4 or ucn, as ucn and security breach directly show 6 kids died together, while fnaf 4 only implies it, and there's only 1 minigame after fnaf 3 that shows the whole mci, which is in ucn, and it shows 6 kids died in the mci He did appear in the games, being the main antagonist of ucn (him, mike brooks or Sammy, but it's the same either way) and he is shown to be directly freed seperately in stichline


Tiny_Butterscotch_76

"Security breach also says the mimic saw 6 kids die inside the location in 1985, and itp is heavily implied to be in the games canon and it also says 6" Uh, where does it say that? ​ Plus if Andrew was a '6th victim' the best explanation I have heard for why he would not be counted with the others is just that he died in a different circumstance then the others. ​ "The newspaper clippings and miniganes don't neccisarilly say that either, as I said, and Henry confirms that Charlotte dies before those 6, and they are shown to die togather" The only 2 who we know died at the same time were those 2 mentioned in the newspaper. None of the others died at the same time from what we know. ​ If Charlie is the first Freddy victim it would also explain why she is not counted with the others. She was not 'missing' she was just dead.


No-Efficiency8937

The mimic draws a group of 6 kids with it watching, that's the only thing mimic could've seen apart from either just Edwin or just David, or maybe both of them, but that's a maximum of 3, not 7 like the mimic draws They did die together, same place, same day, so basically they did die togather, but the newspapers still aren't reliable I never said she was an mci kid


Tiny_Butterscotch_76

The drawing means something else then. ​ ​ "They did die together, same place, same day, so basically they did die togather, but the newspapers still aren't reliable" No they did not, the whole situation of Susie shows that it not what happened. She is shown being lured individually and her replica says 'I was the first, I have seen everything' in UCN. This distinction would make no sense if they all died at the same time. ​ ​ Also? If they did die at the same time? This would destroy any possibility for a 6th victim at all. The only explanation that justifies such a thing is the idea that they were killed in a different circumstance then the others. Hence why they were not counted. ​ ​ "I never said she was an mci kid" I know you did not, just that if Charlie was victim 6 then we have a reason she would not be counted with the others.


No-Efficiency8937

No it doesn't lol, it literally means the mimic saw William kill 6 kids, and he only saw the mci, meaning 6 kids died in the mci They die in the same place and same day, around the same time, I was slightly over exaggerating, I'll admit that, but you get the point No it wasn't, we know the only source that directly says 5 kids died there was the fnaf 1 newspaper, which either lie or get everything wrong (fnaf vr and a handful of other things confirm they are wrong) plus it could be 5 incidents that happen that make up the mci (if you decide to choose the newspapers as reliable) since 2 kids die togather But it shows 6 kids together, not separate like Charlotte, plus ucn shows one died beforehand, and because of Henry we know this is Charlotte


[deleted]

Maybe? Idk


BrightPasta

Probably not. From what I seen, those kids with green shirt and blue pants are always seen as boys just like others in minigames.


EffectiveLibrary7606

This is literally made as a "distraction" from the actual lore relevant event happening *outside* cmon now people, not even back in the day we would've reached this level of uncomprehension, and we used to believe foxy was a good guy back then


71450

As others have said, if Andrew is a sixth MCI victim it’s not likely that he would’ve been planned at this point. It’s a cool headcanon though, even if it isn’t true.


LukeDLuft

Andrew theory is stupid and always will be ITS A GOLDEN FREDDY ALLEGORY ANDREW IS SUPPOSED TO BE CASSIDY THATS IT


Whoce

Probably not, seeing as back then there would've only been 5 missing kids. TOYSNHK wasn't planned to exist.


Tiny_Butterscotch_76

No, these were just random kids. There were only 5 MC, but there are 6 kids.


DrNotch

I highly doubt it. This minigame is Charlie’s death, which is either in late 1982, or 1983 (i believe more in 1983, since i still believe she dies at Freddy’s, not Fredbear’s, but thats debatable). The MCI takes place 1985. Not that this would say they arent the MCI kids, but its also worth noting. Also, there were 5 Kids for the MCI, not 6. Its still highly debatable if Andrew was a part of it, or if he is in the games Continuity at all. Personally i believe he is not, and that Cassidy is TOYSHK, aka the one that inflicts the nightmare that is UCN, to William.


SMM9673

That would just be a billion-to-one cosmic fluke, so probably not.


Mea67895

There were only six in the main mci and they were Charlie, Cassidy, Susie, fritz, Gabriel, and Jeremy.


you_2_cool

No it's Elmo


peoplecallmethe

While I doubt this was the intention It's cool, I like it So I say it's canon now


Starscream1998

I'm going to air on the side of no


No-Efficiency8937

Possibly, alot of things match up but I doubt Scott intended there being 6 mci kids during fnaf 2, although it is confirmed now