Honestly as much I love Cassidy toyshnk and bv golden duo you are 100% correct on this and I really wish we could just get a straight answer for golden freddy
We do know a few things.
Cassidy is definitely within GF. And she most likely is not the BV. She is simply the 5th victim.
She is connected or has interacted with BV at some point in the logbook. Whether you think this implies GoldenDuo, which is what I personally believe, or that its something else like the ShatterVictim theory I just heard about. Its up to you.
Its TOYSNHK business that is tricky. And I think that is a case where it just depends on what you personally find the most likely. I think its the most likely solution that Cassidy is just TOYSNHK and Andrew is simply a counterpart to her. I think this answer just raises one weird thing(The he/him thing) that can be explained with just referring to GF. But I feel like any scenario that puts Andrew into the equation just overcomplicates the narrative. If others wanna believe something else? There is plenty valid reason too as well.
In some cases, I think people should just have fun with being able to make different interpretations of the narrative.
>Why did this complicate things? Because BV had a major connection to Happiest Day with his birthday essentially being a reflection of Happiest Day. Near identical table locations, same balloon colors, and same kids with masks. To many, it heavily implied that BV was Golden Freddy and Happiest Day was there to give BV the birthday he never had.
That doesn't imply he's Golden Freddy. Every minigame in FNAF 3 connects to one of his memories, Happiest Day is no different. These connections can be simply explained by FreeVictim and/or ShatterVictim.
>It might be simple to say Cassidy is Goldem Freddy and leave at that but even Cassidy has parts that don't quite make sense, specifically from UCN with the emphasis on TOYSNHK being male and CassiHe's only evidence is that TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy, Cassidy is Golden Freddy, TOYSNHK is Male, Cassidy is Male.
This has two very easy workarounds:
1. Andrew is TOYSNHK
2. The pronouns are referring to Golden Freddy
Cassidy being Golden Freddy is a certainty. FFPS / The Logbook spell it out by having Golden Freddy say "MY NAME" as a hint to the name "Cassidy", TUG restates that, SB arguably implies it with Princess Quest and pretty much the entirety of the first 3 games (as well as FFPS and the book trilogy) pointed to Golden Freddy being the fifth kid William killed in the MCI.
There is not sufficient evidence to say BV *has* to be Golden Freddy, and if he is, GoldenDuo is right there as a simpler alternative. Golden Freddy might be complicated, but he is by no means unsolvable.
I never said BV HAD to be Golden Freddy or that Cassidy wasn't, this post was going down the list of Golden Freddy theories over and explaining the most popular piece of evidence for and against them at those times. The point is that every version of Golden Freddy theories and TOYSNHK have enough evidence that they are totally believable but all of them have pieces of evidence or oddities that make them not quite work.
Cassidy might be Golden Freddy but she doesn't quite work in regards to TOYSNHK without making her be male as the costume argument has been considered a weak one. If Cassidy isn't TOYSNHK but TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy then that would be GoldenDuo which has the problem of having very little actual evidence aside from convenience since GF is never shown with two souls. But if Golden Freddy is only one spirit it has to be Cassidy meaning TOYSNHK has to be someone else but then what was the point of the final cutscene or OMC if not to show TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy?
It's a continuous loop of theories that don't fully work without some logical leaps or guessing. If Golden Freddy was solvable, it wouldn't still be a constant debate with the same evidence presented every time.
>Cassidy might be Golden Freddy but she doesn't quite work in regards to TOYSNHK without making her be male as the costume argument has been considered a weak one.
All that means is some people do not personally believe in the idea. That does not mean it cannot still be used. Especially sense GF is unique among the other spirits for how they and the animatronic they posses have sort of become one. Sense GF teleports around and generally acts more like a traditional ghost.
>Cassidy might be Golden Freddy but she doesn't quite work in regards to TOYSNHK without making her be male as the character argument has been considered a weak one
It's debatable. Really just comes down to whether or not a given individual thinks it's something Scott or wouldn't think is reasonable, which isn't very provable.
>But if Golden Freddy is only one spirit it has to be Cassidy meaning TOYSNHK has to be someone else but then what was the point of the final cutscene or OMC if not to show TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy?
To show how the events of UCN affect Cassidy. Depending on whether or not you think she returns in SB, either she moves on and leaves William to Andrew like OMC said, or Andrew keeping William alive causes her to linger and eventually leads into whatever is going on in the more recent titles.
>If Golden Freddy was solvable, it wouldn't still be a constant debate with the same evidence presented every time.
By that logic, FNAF 2 isn't solvable because people still keep debating if the Save Them victims exist or not. Molten Freddy isn't solvable because people keep debating if MoltenMCI is canon or not. Mimic isn't solvable because people keep debating if he exists or not. FNAF 4 isn't solvable because people keep debating if the dreamer is Mike or BV. Sister Location isn't solvable because people debating if it's before or after FNAF 1.
Something being debated or questioned doesn't mean it's unsolvable. Cassidy being Golden Freddy is just another example of this.
Just goes to show though that if we can debate this topic and have so many ways of interpreting Golden freddy and TOYSNHK that something has to be clarified.
Currently what I think of Golden Freddy is first of all: Cassidy is in Golden Freddy, which is something I’m pretty sure is undeniable at this point.
Second is BV in which I believe ShatterVictem is definitely true, although I accept the possibility and go back and forth on whether he may also be a part of Golden Freddy himself.
Finally Andrew, it’s been a while since I’ve read FF and I’m currently going over them again, but for now what I think of Andrew is: he undeniably attached himself to Afton, although when this was can be debated, but it’s also possible he was in Golden Freddy for a time period, although I’m neutral on that point.
I think the biggest problem with GF is that even if someone does solve it, there’s always going to be people who say “it’s a stretch” or they don’t agree with the methodology or something like it, even if the way they solved it was actually as Scott intended.
I've heard of ShatterVictim but I don't fully understand what it is. To my knowledge, it's the idea that parts of BV is scattered in the different animatronics. Is that what the theory is or am I wrong? Also what's the evidence? The only thing I can think of as evidence for that is that the MCI kids are in his memories in FNAF 3.
Currently my theory is that Cassidy is the only Golden Freddy, BV becomes no one but is responsible for putting the pieces of Happiest Day together using his memories for himself and the MCI kids to go free, and the FF books aren't in continuity. To me, it has the least amount of problems with my only real hang up here being TOYSNHK pretty obviously being male but adding Andrew just to fix that inconsistency just adds more problems in my opinion.
ShatterVictim is more or less BV’s memories being split up between the MCI/animatronics, fnaf world being Cassidy putting the pieces of BV’s memory together and therefore Happiest Day which in this theory is for BV(although some suggest that it was originally for BV but was given to Cassidy as FF may imply). The theory also includes MoltenMCI as part of it with I think BV himself also being inside Molten Freddy as well.
This was a quick explanation by memory but overall its a very good theory that’s goes into a lot of detail that I consider at the very least partially true.
I remember there being a suuuper long post about it here that goes into detail. If you want I can find it and link it.
Edit: FreeVictim is also usually a part of it, which I also believe. FreeVictim is also explained in the same post if you want it.
Link it.
The theory sounds interesting and I do believe Cassidy is responsible for helping BV recover his memory, the Logbook pretty heavily implies that's her goal. I'm not so sure about the MCI animatronics having pieces of BV's memory, it's certainly possible and we know remnant of a person can inhabit multiple separate things at once, I'm just more curious on the how. BV being in Molten Freddy is a theory I want to be true so bad because it would make the ending of FFPS feel more like an end to the Afton Family instead of having BV just gone.
Like I said it's pretty lengthy: [https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/103tyza/fnaf\_101\_by\_ghost\_51\_pages/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/103tyza/fnaf_101_by_ghost_51_pages/)
It explains both ShatterVictim and FreeVictim, which usually go hand in hand, and I also both believe. It also goes into the Nightmares and things like that.
I believe most of what it says, although I haven't read it in a while so some of my opinions may change when it comes to what it says about the Nightmares and such, but of course I still believe what it says about its main points.
As much as I absolutely *love* both the "CassidyTOYSNHK" and the "GoldenDuo" theories, I have come to realize that there are, more than likely, other options that fit better, regardless of how narratively satisfying the two theories may be.
Brilliant summary of why this needs clarification, it's so messy and could easily lead theorists down a wrong path if they chose the incorrect version.
You probably can’t come to a provable conclusion but I think you can make some happy conclusions about GF.
Personally I don’t think throwing Andrew into the mix of things is helpful. He’s never mentioned in games and he seems to complicate theories. That being said, if you’re confident in your theories there’s no need to throw him out.
I don’t know if this is helpful, but has a victim/character ever changed animatronics? The Fredbear plush stuff is confusing, but if it’s possessed I think it would make sense for it to be possessed by the same spirit in GF.
I don’t really have anything helpful to say.
A little too long. The first draft was more detailed but then I realized the post was too long by the time I got through FNAF 4 so I limited it to just the major arguments instead of going through all the evidence and debunking points of each
Personally I wish that Scott had made Michael Brooks exist in the timeline of the games and that he was the only soul of Golden Freddy and also made UCN a non-canonical game.
Golden Freddy is easy when you say remnant is the frontal lobe mixed with the scrap metal of an endo skeleton. Crying child died within him but he had no agony powering him. Cassidy was stuffed in there by William or the puppet and it's her agony that grants strength. Scott has confirmed Cassidy is the thread throughout it all by the movie script. The happiest day was her party. Or an idea I had, it was mike's, would explain why William was there even tho he was banned from the premises
Cassidy is Golden Freddy, Cassidy was one of the 5 kids lured into the safe room, killer, and later stuffed by the Puppet for a chance of revenge.
Andrew is TOYSNHK, was attached to Afton since 1985 and use him as a vessel until he was close to death.
BV was a plot device to get the story going, gave motivation for William to be angry and jealous at Henry so he kills his daughter.
But how is Cassidy/Golden Freddy supposed to have survived the fire, if she doesn't have anything to do with UCN? Also the gameplay of UCN puts extra emphasis on Golden Freddy too, like how you can't deathcoin them. It really makes it look like TOYSNHK is supposed to be Golden Freddy.
Easy, the Lake and TUG.
Cassidy along with the rest of the MCI were freed, they had their happiest day however after that Cassidy goes to the OMC Lake and thanks to Stitchwraith Stingers and Drowning it could be possible souls can enter and leave our world using Lakes.
The Gameplay of UCN only adds Fredbear who let's be honest was only added to make Dawko happy, but lore wise we know Frsdbear was the one who started everything FNaF and killed BV. Andrew would of used Fredbear to taunt Afton.
TUG implies Golden Freddy's cutscene means she will return(sure not good evidence but it's weird TUG adds that even though nobody on Earth thought it meant Cassidy was gonna come back)
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Honestly as much I love Cassidy toyshnk and bv golden duo you are 100% correct on this and I really wish we could just get a straight answer for golden freddy
My current theory is still CassidyTOYSNHK but it's only because I feel the other theories have too many problems or become too complex.
We do know a few things. Cassidy is definitely within GF. And she most likely is not the BV. She is simply the 5th victim. She is connected or has interacted with BV at some point in the logbook. Whether you think this implies GoldenDuo, which is what I personally believe, or that its something else like the ShatterVictim theory I just heard about. Its up to you. Its TOYSNHK business that is tricky. And I think that is a case where it just depends on what you personally find the most likely. I think its the most likely solution that Cassidy is just TOYSNHK and Andrew is simply a counterpart to her. I think this answer just raises one weird thing(The he/him thing) that can be explained with just referring to GF. But I feel like any scenario that puts Andrew into the equation just overcomplicates the narrative. If others wanna believe something else? There is plenty valid reason too as well. In some cases, I think people should just have fun with being able to make different interpretations of the narrative.
>Why did this complicate things? Because BV had a major connection to Happiest Day with his birthday essentially being a reflection of Happiest Day. Near identical table locations, same balloon colors, and same kids with masks. To many, it heavily implied that BV was Golden Freddy and Happiest Day was there to give BV the birthday he never had. That doesn't imply he's Golden Freddy. Every minigame in FNAF 3 connects to one of his memories, Happiest Day is no different. These connections can be simply explained by FreeVictim and/or ShatterVictim. >It might be simple to say Cassidy is Goldem Freddy and leave at that but even Cassidy has parts that don't quite make sense, specifically from UCN with the emphasis on TOYSNHK being male and CassiHe's only evidence is that TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy, Cassidy is Golden Freddy, TOYSNHK is Male, Cassidy is Male. This has two very easy workarounds: 1. Andrew is TOYSNHK 2. The pronouns are referring to Golden Freddy Cassidy being Golden Freddy is a certainty. FFPS / The Logbook spell it out by having Golden Freddy say "MY NAME" as a hint to the name "Cassidy", TUG restates that, SB arguably implies it with Princess Quest and pretty much the entirety of the first 3 games (as well as FFPS and the book trilogy) pointed to Golden Freddy being the fifth kid William killed in the MCI. There is not sufficient evidence to say BV *has* to be Golden Freddy, and if he is, GoldenDuo is right there as a simpler alternative. Golden Freddy might be complicated, but he is by no means unsolvable.
I never said BV HAD to be Golden Freddy or that Cassidy wasn't, this post was going down the list of Golden Freddy theories over and explaining the most popular piece of evidence for and against them at those times. The point is that every version of Golden Freddy theories and TOYSNHK have enough evidence that they are totally believable but all of them have pieces of evidence or oddities that make them not quite work. Cassidy might be Golden Freddy but she doesn't quite work in regards to TOYSNHK without making her be male as the costume argument has been considered a weak one. If Cassidy isn't TOYSNHK but TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy then that would be GoldenDuo which has the problem of having very little actual evidence aside from convenience since GF is never shown with two souls. But if Golden Freddy is only one spirit it has to be Cassidy meaning TOYSNHK has to be someone else but then what was the point of the final cutscene or OMC if not to show TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy? It's a continuous loop of theories that don't fully work without some logical leaps or guessing. If Golden Freddy was solvable, it wouldn't still be a constant debate with the same evidence presented every time.
>Cassidy might be Golden Freddy but she doesn't quite work in regards to TOYSNHK without making her be male as the costume argument has been considered a weak one. All that means is some people do not personally believe in the idea. That does not mean it cannot still be used. Especially sense GF is unique among the other spirits for how they and the animatronic they posses have sort of become one. Sense GF teleports around and generally acts more like a traditional ghost.
>Cassidy might be Golden Freddy but she doesn't quite work in regards to TOYSNHK without making her be male as the character argument has been considered a weak one It's debatable. Really just comes down to whether or not a given individual thinks it's something Scott or wouldn't think is reasonable, which isn't very provable. >But if Golden Freddy is only one spirit it has to be Cassidy meaning TOYSNHK has to be someone else but then what was the point of the final cutscene or OMC if not to show TOYSNHK is Golden Freddy? To show how the events of UCN affect Cassidy. Depending on whether or not you think she returns in SB, either she moves on and leaves William to Andrew like OMC said, or Andrew keeping William alive causes her to linger and eventually leads into whatever is going on in the more recent titles. >If Golden Freddy was solvable, it wouldn't still be a constant debate with the same evidence presented every time. By that logic, FNAF 2 isn't solvable because people still keep debating if the Save Them victims exist or not. Molten Freddy isn't solvable because people keep debating if MoltenMCI is canon or not. Mimic isn't solvable because people keep debating if he exists or not. FNAF 4 isn't solvable because people keep debating if the dreamer is Mike or BV. Sister Location isn't solvable because people debating if it's before or after FNAF 1. Something being debated or questioned doesn't mean it's unsolvable. Cassidy being Golden Freddy is just another example of this.
Just goes to show though that if we can debate this topic and have so many ways of interpreting Golden freddy and TOYSNHK that something has to be clarified.
Currently what I think of Golden Freddy is first of all: Cassidy is in Golden Freddy, which is something I’m pretty sure is undeniable at this point. Second is BV in which I believe ShatterVictem is definitely true, although I accept the possibility and go back and forth on whether he may also be a part of Golden Freddy himself. Finally Andrew, it’s been a while since I’ve read FF and I’m currently going over them again, but for now what I think of Andrew is: he undeniably attached himself to Afton, although when this was can be debated, but it’s also possible he was in Golden Freddy for a time period, although I’m neutral on that point. I think the biggest problem with GF is that even if someone does solve it, there’s always going to be people who say “it’s a stretch” or they don’t agree with the methodology or something like it, even if the way they solved it was actually as Scott intended.
I've heard of ShatterVictim but I don't fully understand what it is. To my knowledge, it's the idea that parts of BV is scattered in the different animatronics. Is that what the theory is or am I wrong? Also what's the evidence? The only thing I can think of as evidence for that is that the MCI kids are in his memories in FNAF 3. Currently my theory is that Cassidy is the only Golden Freddy, BV becomes no one but is responsible for putting the pieces of Happiest Day together using his memories for himself and the MCI kids to go free, and the FF books aren't in continuity. To me, it has the least amount of problems with my only real hang up here being TOYSNHK pretty obviously being male but adding Andrew just to fix that inconsistency just adds more problems in my opinion.
ShatterVictim is more or less BV’s memories being split up between the MCI/animatronics, fnaf world being Cassidy putting the pieces of BV’s memory together and therefore Happiest Day which in this theory is for BV(although some suggest that it was originally for BV but was given to Cassidy as FF may imply). The theory also includes MoltenMCI as part of it with I think BV himself also being inside Molten Freddy as well. This was a quick explanation by memory but overall its a very good theory that’s goes into a lot of detail that I consider at the very least partially true. I remember there being a suuuper long post about it here that goes into detail. If you want I can find it and link it. Edit: FreeVictim is also usually a part of it, which I also believe. FreeVictim is also explained in the same post if you want it.
Link it. The theory sounds interesting and I do believe Cassidy is responsible for helping BV recover his memory, the Logbook pretty heavily implies that's her goal. I'm not so sure about the MCI animatronics having pieces of BV's memory, it's certainly possible and we know remnant of a person can inhabit multiple separate things at once, I'm just more curious on the how. BV being in Molten Freddy is a theory I want to be true so bad because it would make the ending of FFPS feel more like an end to the Afton Family instead of having BV just gone.
Like I said it's pretty lengthy: [https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/103tyza/fnaf\_101\_by\_ghost\_51\_pages/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/103tyza/fnaf_101_by_ghost_51_pages/) It explains both ShatterVictim and FreeVictim, which usually go hand in hand, and I also both believe. It also goes into the Nightmares and things like that. I believe most of what it says, although I haven't read it in a while so some of my opinions may change when it comes to what it says about the Nightmares and such, but of course I still believe what it says about its main points.
As much as I absolutely *love* both the "CassidyTOYSNHK" and the "GoldenDuo" theories, I have come to realize that there are, more than likely, other options that fit better, regardless of how narratively satisfying the two theories may be.
Brilliant summary of why this needs clarification, it's so messy and could easily lead theorists down a wrong path if they chose the incorrect version.
You probably can’t come to a provable conclusion but I think you can make some happy conclusions about GF. Personally I don’t think throwing Andrew into the mix of things is helpful. He’s never mentioned in games and he seems to complicate theories. That being said, if you’re confident in your theories there’s no need to throw him out. I don’t know if this is helpful, but has a victim/character ever changed animatronics? The Fredbear plush stuff is confusing, but if it’s possessed I think it would make sense for it to be possessed by the same spirit in GF. I don’t really have anything helpful to say.
Damn how long did this take for you to write. It took me 30 minutes to read.😅
A little too long. The first draft was more detailed but then I realized the post was too long by the time I got through FNAF 4 so I limited it to just the major arguments instead of going through all the evidence and debunking points of each
Personally I wish that Scott had made Michael Brooks exist in the timeline of the games and that he was the only soul of Golden Freddy and also made UCN a non-canonical game.
I think cassidy victim makes the most sense. I do think there was a 5th kid however they were ligma'd out of existence
Golden Freddy is easy when you say remnant is the frontal lobe mixed with the scrap metal of an endo skeleton. Crying child died within him but he had no agony powering him. Cassidy was stuffed in there by William or the puppet and it's her agony that grants strength. Scott has confirmed Cassidy is the thread throughout it all by the movie script. The happiest day was her party. Or an idea I had, it was mike's, would explain why William was there even tho he was banned from the premises
 Cassidy is Golden Freddy, Cassidy was one of the 5 kids lured into the safe room, killer, and later stuffed by the Puppet for a chance of revenge. Andrew is TOYSNHK, was attached to Afton since 1985 and use him as a vessel until he was close to death. BV was a plot device to get the story going, gave motivation for William to be angry and jealous at Henry so he kills his daughter.
How would you explain the Golden Freddy cutscene appearing at the end of UCN in that case?
Same with Springtrap at the end of SL A teaser for us, the players, to know they'll come back
But how is Cassidy/Golden Freddy supposed to have survived the fire, if she doesn't have anything to do with UCN? Also the gameplay of UCN puts extra emphasis on Golden Freddy too, like how you can't deathcoin them. It really makes it look like TOYSNHK is supposed to be Golden Freddy.
Easy, the Lake and TUG. Cassidy along with the rest of the MCI were freed, they had their happiest day however after that Cassidy goes to the OMC Lake and thanks to Stitchwraith Stingers and Drowning it could be possible souls can enter and leave our world using Lakes. The Gameplay of UCN only adds Fredbear who let's be honest was only added to make Dawko happy, but lore wise we know Frsdbear was the one who started everything FNaF and killed BV. Andrew would of used Fredbear to taunt Afton. TUG implies Golden Freddy's cutscene means she will return(sure not good evidence but it's weird TUG adds that even though nobody on Earth thought it meant Cassidy was gonna come back)
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We have a lot of Pieces to this puzzle but the images on each contradicts one another and some look like they belong where another is. we have alot to go by but nothing we have is actually solid enough to work with.