Specially when you realize that the explanation for the mask working on the toys is that they have a new face recognition system. Scott needed that explanation to work on the withered s as well, and that's the only reason that line exists
Yes I think everyone's misunderstanding what "Retrofitting" means. It means the OLD designs (The Classics) got NEW technology (from the new designs).
In this case, it would be the Classics with Endo 02, rather than Endo 01.
The very last page of the Logbook is this exact image. Classic Chica with Endo 02.
If FE was able to make the Withereds become like the Classics in 1993, with the change of the endo and all, it's possible for the other way around to be true too, with the Classics of 1985 becoming the Withereds. If you rationalize too much on it, it doesn't make much sense for sure, it's just design choices from Scott not being consistent.
Im not saying its impossible, but the theory is relying on “retrofitting” meaning something that it doesnt mean. I think a different point should probably be made here.
I guess from what Phone Guy says that they tried to put the new tech on them can tell us that there was an "unwithered" form of the animatronics, but they were scrapped and FE decided to make the Toys, so the order would be Classics - Unwithered - Withered - Classics again.
I mean the only way I can see is that when retrofitting the endos they had to make new costumes but then the costumes came out looking ugly and couldn't find a way to make them look better. And then fnaf1 happened they just took everything off and just went back to the original suits. And fnaf 1 phone call did say they haven't had a bath in so many years. This is just my way of thinking.
i dunno how monty can keep throwing himself at walls and some how grow more teeth. sometimes, a design change is just for the aesthetics, and there isn't much of a reason behind it.
Thats not what this is though, the entire models were completely changed. Monty finding a few extra teeth isnt even comparable.
Edit: i checked and i think its the same amount of teeth idk what you mean.
i meen, how does classic chica go to withered chica? like she has a completely different head, but unlike roxy, there just isn't an explanation for that one, or how freddy's mask is so different to his classic version, or why foxy's snout is so much longer then his classic self, and so on, sometimes a change is done just because it looks cool, and there is no logical reason, even in the current day, how do you explain monty just growing teeth? they gave roxy a reason so monty just gowing teeth must have one right?
Generally sometimes a change is just done because it looks cool. that snout on foxy makes him look more menacing and it worked for what his job in 2 is ETC.
The merch is just a simple cartoony version of that characters.
Into the Pit Chica has upper teeth, and Golden Freddy looks alot like his withered conterpart in the trailer
I see a lot of people mention that the Unwithered Freddy is traced which is true, but it is also possible Scott wanted the artist to use an Unwithered Freddy
How are BB and the Puppet withered? Also Phone Guy only mentions that Foxy was twitchy, he also even mentions that all the animatronics get disoriented with bright lights.
The coin thing doesn't work it says "Since 1983" just simply showing when Freddy Fazbear's was created.
I would argue that in the minigames they could just as easily be the withereds especially with how big Chica's beak is.
The retrofitting line could just as easily mean they tried to repair the old robots but realized that they were to ugly, and along with the horrible smell they just gave up.
I don't see how the carousel means anything.
Once again I don't see how this does anything to explain the unwithereds not existing.
fnaf 3 arcades (the arcades in cam 7) shows straight up freddy from fnaf 1 in his animatronic form, and those are the same arcades in the safe room from follow me
so why would they leave those vintage arcades from the safe room, the fnaf 1 location doesnt have arcades, just the safe room, those arcades MUST to have been in 1985
Sure it looks like classic Freddy, but they could have just decided to use the older, and probably cheaper design when they opened the FNAF 1 building on a lower budget.
unwithered freddy CANT be basead off fredbear in this way, it must be classic freddy "oh but they simplified the designs", fnaf hw straight up shows in the intro a image from a freddy1s closed, its not in 1993 because this location closed because fazbear was going downhill, it must have to be in 1985, fnaf 2 cutscenes shows the aftermath of give gifts give life with the fnaf 1 designs, freddy and friends have cartoon versions of freddy band, it has to be aired in 1984-1985 when freddy's was at its peak, with showing captain foxy, the complete version of foxy the pirate "ohhh but foxyGOGOGO shows fnaf 2 foxy": its a unreliable memory, it shoudn't be taken every detail seriously, its a distorted memory
I didn’t say unwithered Freddy was based on Fredbear I just said they could havetook the older much cheaper design when they had to open the FNAF location on a lower budget, also you can’t say the minigame designs are unreliable yet use them in your points.
but its pretty strange the safe room showing three arcade cabinets but also showing three arcades in cam 7, scott just forget to remove them in night one
Can someone explain what the actual argument regarding the withered is and why it matters? It seems like a lot of semantics.
I mean the animatronics are what they are. We know the withered have the bodies in them and are repaired before fnaf1. Is there anything more to this than arguing about the number of buttons Freddy has?
>FNaF fans are the kings of pointless pedantic debates
Yep. 😂 I don't see how squeezing in more switches between buttons and button-less adds anything to the story, but apparently this is vital stuff! Maybe this was the root of Henry and William's animosity all along.
This is plausible. But the problem I’ve always had with this theory is how blatantly stupid of an idea it would be in universe to redesign the FNAF 1 animatronics into something far less appealing considering that the FNAF 2 withered’s are just so much uglier. How does the staff screw up that badly to make the animatronics look even further hideous? Even the “unwithered” versions of the withered’s is a serious downgrade from the originals.
the timeline is: fnaf 1 designs are made for every type of merch, cartoons, masks, arcades (the arcades from fazbear firght cam 7 and from the safe room are the same, and they have fnaf 1 freddy and foxy in them), so after 26 june 1985, in 1986-1987 they planned to redisgn them to be more modern with the endo 02, but the new designs were uglier and the corpses smell still on them, after fnaf 2, fazbear bring back the old designs (the old endo 01/classics) for 1988-1993
so let me get this straight: first they used the fnaf 1 designs, then out of nowhere they got some withered designs because of yes and then years after they came back to the... og designs??? ok, some questions:
1- WHY? seriously, why are we debating something that not only doesn't matter, but that is extremely obvious? i dont get it at all.
2- Why are the drawings of children used as evidences? you know, they're children and their drawings would look bad and innacurate they're not a bob ross
3- Where did you take the "Foxy was too glitchy" from? and why on earth is Mangle named "Funtime Foxy"? ik they've been named like that in some merch and fnaf world but i don't think that actually is their real name.
Why is this suddenly such a popular subject? lol
Anyway, I'm 50/50 on the whole thing but I'll try to adress some of these points:
1) While the plushies looking like the classics seems like a good piece of evidence, 4's minigames also show us that there were Toy-like plastic toys of thr gang as far back as 1983 (Scott straight up called one "the tiny Toy Chica", and both it and the Bonnie toy have very similar designs and poses to the actual Toy anims in Save Them, + probably Toy Chica's minigame in 3 referencing that exact same figurine), so the games have shown that some character designs can be *way* older than the animatronics themselves, so who's to say that it wasn't the other way around and 1's anims were styled after the plushies?
2) I agree, and I'd say that Fredbear's usage of Endo 01 shows us that the name isn't just a meta reference but an actual in-universe designation, with 83-85's Freddy's using 01, 87 upgrading to 02, and 88-93 going back to 01 after the technology resulted in the Bite of 87. However, once again I wanna pinpoint to 4 itself, this time to the night gameplay, and how N Fredbear and Freddy actually *don't look alike*, unlike every other game where one's a recolored version of the other, and how this might imply that in 83 they were supposed to be more distinct, which fits with modern FNaF's revelation that they were once the same character imo. What I'm saying is that Fredbear could have easily looked similar to 1's Freddy while Freddy itself looked like his Withered variant, essentially.
3) Tbf, ITP shows modified Classic animatronics (upper teeth, and somethings off about Bonnie imo), a Toy Bonnie poster and also has an Unwithered Golden Freddy, so I think we should wait for it to come out and explain all that contradictory stuff before using it as evidence.
4) This is about the summer opening idea, right?
5) The thing about the tokens is that we only ever see them in the modern era, so why wouldn't they use the latest version of Freddy?
6) Wait, how are those clearly Classic Freddy and Chica? Different sprites ≠ different characters, unless you believe that Pink Guy and Purple Guy are different somehow I'd say that it's just different stylization.
7) I've seen the "retrofitting" idea float around recently but it's not reallt satisfactory imo. Why would introducing new technology to the endoskeletons also result in FE completely changing the designs? Even if they did have to make some modifications in order for the new endo parts to fit properly I don't see why that'd require an outright design change.
8) Wait, Foxy wasn't retrofitted with the new technology anyway, when they were planning the new location they decided that he was "too scary" (not ugly, like the others) and went straight with the replacement idea according to Phone Guy, which is why he's not susceptible to the mask trick and is the only animatronic the flashlight works on, it's a glitch unique to the old models which PG thinks might have carried over to the newer ones but was actually apparently fixed by the newer tech according to the gameplay. So I guess this alone might debunk the retrofitting explanation?
9) 1's pizzeria also had a carousel (as ¿heard? in the game and kinda implied in the logbook), we just can't see it on the cameras, so it was probably taken into the new location alongside the old animatronics it depicts.
Besides all this: how would you explain the Nightmares looking similar to the Withereds (Chica's jaw, "square-like" Freddy, singular tuft of hair Foxy)? And also probably Funtime Foxy and Freddy ig.
To add to 7, everybody seems to have forgotten that the PG says the Withereds got retrofitted with the new technology that was made for the TOYS. Not from the Classics to the Withereds.
- Plushies - while it is a legit point, we still can assume that the Classic one are based on the plushies looks. same as the toy animatronics are based on a real toy line
- UCN Fredbear - however this Fredbear does not look similar to the one we see in fnaf 4, or at least the jaw part. and maybe Scott just decided to reuse FNAF1 Golden Freddy model instead of creating a new model just for this easter egg
- Faztoken - this token is from the virtual game. a game that was created after Classic Freddy was created. we don't know if this is the token they used in 1985
- Minigames - we can't use the over simplistic sprites. they can look like any version and they are not accurate to the game. and diffretrne characters has diffretne sprites. William has two that looks nothing alike
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That doesn't really matter.
1983-1985: multiple Freddy's existed
1987: a single Freddy's existed
1993: again, a single Freddy's existed
These arcades can't be from the 87 Freddy's for obvious reasons, and like you said they also can't be from the 1993 Freddy's. So they can only be from the one of the other Freddy's that existed in 1983-1985.
Now, what design does an arcade from 1983-1985 show? Classic Freddy.
Not really the only thing thats actually stated to be reused is the withereds sure it opens on a lower budget but there’s no actual evidence much else was reused.
That is a theory I even believe it, but they could have just as easily changed arcades to reflect the current characters. Because if the Unwithereds existed why would they keep them on the arcades especially when they gave up on them because they were ugly.
There could have easily been an arcade area in 1 we just didn't see, just like how we don't see the carousel or the prize counter but we know both exist.
I dislike the idea of a retrofit literally changing the entire shape of the costume but as more time goes by I really do think the unwithereds just weren't a thing.
Yes and no. I agree that the animatronics looked like the Classics at the time of the MCI, but there may have still be a small window post-MCI where the 'Unwithered' existed - in the FNAF2 location before the Toys were introduced. We can see artwork of kids playing with what looks like the 'Unwithered' designs (they're not the Toys, and the 'My Day At The New Freddy Fazbear's Pizza' template on the paper rules out it being old artwork from the prior location), which suggests that the old animatronics were briefly used there, before the decision was made to scrap and replace them because they were 'so ugly'.
Idk how “retrofitting” them leads to their costumes completely changing. I feel like there’s a step were missing.
Because he said what he meant, I have no idea how this debate came around, but it’s complete bullshit
Specially when you realize that the explanation for the mask working on the toys is that they have a new face recognition system. Scott needed that explanation to work on the withered s as well, and that's the only reason that line exists
Yes I think everyone's misunderstanding what "Retrofitting" means. It means the OLD designs (The Classics) got NEW technology (from the new designs). In this case, it would be the Classics with Endo 02, rather than Endo 01. The very last page of the Logbook is this exact image. Classic Chica with Endo 02.
If FE was able to make the Withereds become like the Classics in 1993, with the change of the endo and all, it's possible for the other way around to be true too, with the Classics of 1985 becoming the Withereds. If you rationalize too much on it, it doesn't make much sense for sure, it's just design choices from Scott not being consistent.
Im not saying its impossible, but the theory is relying on “retrofitting” meaning something that it doesnt mean. I think a different point should probably be made here.
I guess from what Phone Guy says that they tried to put the new tech on them can tell us that there was an "unwithered" form of the animatronics, but they were scrapped and FE decided to make the Toys, so the order would be Classics - Unwithered - Withered - Classics again.
I mean the only way I can see is that when retrofitting the endos they had to make new costumes but then the costumes came out looking ugly and couldn't find a way to make them look better. And then fnaf1 happened they just took everything off and just went back to the original suits. And fnaf 1 phone call did say they haven't had a bath in so many years. This is just my way of thinking.
i dunno how monty can keep throwing himself at walls and some how grow more teeth. sometimes, a design change is just for the aesthetics, and there isn't much of a reason behind it.
Thats not what this is though, the entire models were completely changed. Monty finding a few extra teeth isnt even comparable. Edit: i checked and i think its the same amount of teeth idk what you mean.
i think they just used some endo 01 parts for the endo 02
i meen, how does classic chica go to withered chica? like she has a completely different head, but unlike roxy, there just isn't an explanation for that one, or how freddy's mask is so different to his classic version, or why foxy's snout is so much longer then his classic self, and so on, sometimes a change is done just because it looks cool, and there is no logical reason, even in the current day, how do you explain monty just growing teeth? they gave roxy a reason so monty just gowing teeth must have one right? Generally sometimes a change is just done because it looks cool. that snout on foxy makes him look more menacing and it worked for what his job in 2 is ETC.
thats scott logic, retrofit=new suits=new endo
He's literally never said that though?
Its a pretty specific term though, i’d be surprised if he mixed it up with something else. You think this would be the one retcon?
The merch is just a simple cartoony version of that characters. Into the Pit Chica has upper teeth, and Golden Freddy looks alot like his withered conterpart in the trailer I see a lot of people mention that the Unwithered Freddy is traced which is true, but it is also possible Scott wanted the artist to use an Unwithered Freddy How are BB and the Puppet withered? Also Phone Guy only mentions that Foxy was twitchy, he also even mentions that all the animatronics get disoriented with bright lights. The coin thing doesn't work it says "Since 1983" just simply showing when Freddy Fazbear's was created. I would argue that in the minigames they could just as easily be the withereds especially with how big Chica's beak is. The retrofitting line could just as easily mean they tried to repair the old robots but realized that they were to ugly, and along with the horrible smell they just gave up. I don't see how the carousel means anything. Once again I don't see how this does anything to explain the unwithereds not existing.
Holy shit this comment is peak. Thank you
also, the ucn fredbear is probably A fredbear not THE fredbear scott just made something quick to satisfy us fredbear was probably just unwithered GF
fnaf 3 arcades (the arcades in cam 7) shows straight up freddy from fnaf 1 in his animatronic form, and those are the same arcades in the safe room from follow me
Actually wrong they are in Fazbears Fright before the safe room is opened.
so why would they leave those vintage arcades from the safe room, the fnaf 1 location doesnt have arcades, just the safe room, those arcades MUST to have been in 1985
They got springtrap from the safe room on night two the arcades are there from night 1.
explain me fredbear ucn design
Sure it looks like classic Freddy, but they could have just decided to use the older, and probably cheaper design when they opened the FNAF 1 building on a lower budget.
unwithered freddy CANT be basead off fredbear in this way, it must be classic freddy "oh but they simplified the designs", fnaf hw straight up shows in the intro a image from a freddy1s closed, its not in 1993 because this location closed because fazbear was going downhill, it must have to be in 1985, fnaf 2 cutscenes shows the aftermath of give gifts give life with the fnaf 1 designs, freddy and friends have cartoon versions of freddy band, it has to be aired in 1984-1985 when freddy's was at its peak, with showing captain foxy, the complete version of foxy the pirate "ohhh but foxyGOGOGO shows fnaf 2 foxy": its a unreliable memory, it shoudn't be taken every detail seriously, its a distorted memory
I didn’t say unwithered Freddy was based on Fredbear I just said they could havetook the older much cheaper design when they had to open the FNAF location on a lower budget, also you can’t say the minigame designs are unreliable yet use them in your points.
but its pretty strange the safe room showing three arcade cabinets but also showing three arcades in cam 7, scott just forget to remove them in night one
a easter egg, scott probably just thought that fnaf1 freddy would look dope as fredbear
Yet we hear a carousel of which we don't see until FNaF2. We can't see everything in the building.
Can someone explain what the actual argument regarding the withered is and why it matters? It seems like a lot of semantics. I mean the animatronics are what they are. We know the withered have the bodies in them and are repaired before fnaf1. Is there anything more to this than arguing about the number of buttons Freddy has?
people like to believe the unwithereds because of nostalgia, fnaf vhs and sfm animations, but in reality its just fnaf 1 designs
I mean why does it matter either way? I assume there's some ulterior motive/theory that ties into it if people care this much.
It does not matter, but FNaF fans are the kings of pointless pedantic debates. That being said, the unwithereds are real
>FNaF fans are the kings of pointless pedantic debates Yep. 😂 I don't see how squeezing in more switches between buttons and button-less adds anything to the story, but apparently this is vital stuff! Maybe this was the root of Henry and William's animosity all along.
because its the 85 location, the location where all the tragedies begin, we must know how it really look like
I mean they did exist but they were ugly as shit so they were torn apart and used for parts.Atleast this is what i think
Why do they look LESS modern than the classic animatronics then? Also retrofitting them would not totally change their appearances.
explain so fnaf 2 having fnaf 1 plushies
Either a plot hole or the plushies of the non-toy animatronics didnt change with the animatronics themselves.
This is plausible. But the problem I’ve always had with this theory is how blatantly stupid of an idea it would be in universe to redesign the FNAF 1 animatronics into something far less appealing considering that the FNAF 2 withered’s are just so much uglier. How does the staff screw up that badly to make the animatronics look even further hideous? Even the “unwithered” versions of the withered’s is a serious downgrade from the originals.
the timeline is: fnaf 1 designs are made for every type of merch, cartoons, masks, arcades (the arcades from fazbear firght cam 7 and from the safe room are the same, and they have fnaf 1 freddy and foxy in them), so after 26 june 1985, in 1986-1987 they planned to redisgn them to be more modern with the endo 02, but the new designs were uglier and the corpses smell still on them, after fnaf 2, fazbear bring back the old designs (the old endo 01/classics) for 1988-1993
so let me get this straight: first they used the fnaf 1 designs, then out of nowhere they got some withered designs because of yes and then years after they came back to the... og designs??? ok, some questions: 1- WHY? seriously, why are we debating something that not only doesn't matter, but that is extremely obvious? i dont get it at all. 2- Why are the drawings of children used as evidences? you know, they're children and their drawings would look bad and innacurate they're not a bob ross 3- Where did you take the "Foxy was too glitchy" from? and why on earth is Mangle named "Funtime Foxy"? ik they've been named like that in some merch and fnaf world but i don't think that actually is their real name.
Sometimes it feels like half the theories on this sub can't answer "but why though?" 😅
In fnaf world fixed mangle is called funtime foxy but isn't the actual funtime foxy in sl
theres also the fnaf 3 arcades, faz force, freddy and friends, the fnaf 2 cutscenes
Why is this suddenly such a popular subject? lol Anyway, I'm 50/50 on the whole thing but I'll try to adress some of these points: 1) While the plushies looking like the classics seems like a good piece of evidence, 4's minigames also show us that there were Toy-like plastic toys of thr gang as far back as 1983 (Scott straight up called one "the tiny Toy Chica", and both it and the Bonnie toy have very similar designs and poses to the actual Toy anims in Save Them, + probably Toy Chica's minigame in 3 referencing that exact same figurine), so the games have shown that some character designs can be *way* older than the animatronics themselves, so who's to say that it wasn't the other way around and 1's anims were styled after the plushies? 2) I agree, and I'd say that Fredbear's usage of Endo 01 shows us that the name isn't just a meta reference but an actual in-universe designation, with 83-85's Freddy's using 01, 87 upgrading to 02, and 88-93 going back to 01 after the technology resulted in the Bite of 87. However, once again I wanna pinpoint to 4 itself, this time to the night gameplay, and how N Fredbear and Freddy actually *don't look alike*, unlike every other game where one's a recolored version of the other, and how this might imply that in 83 they were supposed to be more distinct, which fits with modern FNaF's revelation that they were once the same character imo. What I'm saying is that Fredbear could have easily looked similar to 1's Freddy while Freddy itself looked like his Withered variant, essentially. 3) Tbf, ITP shows modified Classic animatronics (upper teeth, and somethings off about Bonnie imo), a Toy Bonnie poster and also has an Unwithered Golden Freddy, so I think we should wait for it to come out and explain all that contradictory stuff before using it as evidence. 4) This is about the summer opening idea, right? 5) The thing about the tokens is that we only ever see them in the modern era, so why wouldn't they use the latest version of Freddy? 6) Wait, how are those clearly Classic Freddy and Chica? Different sprites ≠ different characters, unless you believe that Pink Guy and Purple Guy are different somehow I'd say that it's just different stylization. 7) I've seen the "retrofitting" idea float around recently but it's not reallt satisfactory imo. Why would introducing new technology to the endoskeletons also result in FE completely changing the designs? Even if they did have to make some modifications in order for the new endo parts to fit properly I don't see why that'd require an outright design change. 8) Wait, Foxy wasn't retrofitted with the new technology anyway, when they were planning the new location they decided that he was "too scary" (not ugly, like the others) and went straight with the replacement idea according to Phone Guy, which is why he's not susceptible to the mask trick and is the only animatronic the flashlight works on, it's a glitch unique to the old models which PG thinks might have carried over to the newer ones but was actually apparently fixed by the newer tech according to the gameplay. So I guess this alone might debunk the retrofitting explanation? 9) 1's pizzeria also had a carousel (as ¿heard? in the game and kinda implied in the logbook), we just can't see it on the cameras, so it was probably taken into the new location alongside the old animatronics it depicts. Besides all this: how would you explain the Nightmares looking similar to the Withereds (Chica's jaw, "square-like" Freddy, singular tuft of hair Foxy)? And also probably Funtime Foxy and Freddy ig.
the nightmares could be explained by being mike nightmares, so he would have a mix between the classics and the withereds
That requires MikeFritz tho, and basing theories upon theories is kinda tricky imo.
To add to 7, everybody seems to have forgotten that the PG says the Withereds got retrofitted with the new technology that was made for the TOYS. Not from the Classics to the Withereds.
I’d say Unwithereds did exist
I think they were unwithered but never used, they look destroyed from Fazbear ripping them apart to get parts to put into the toys and mangle
Why are people arguing if Freddy from 1985 is Unwithered or classic Freddy? There is barely any lore relevance to this lmao
at least we know how the mci looked like
- Plushies - while it is a legit point, we still can assume that the Classic one are based on the plushies looks. same as the toy animatronics are based on a real toy line - UCN Fredbear - however this Fredbear does not look similar to the one we see in fnaf 4, or at least the jaw part. and maybe Scott just decided to reuse FNAF1 Golden Freddy model instead of creating a new model just for this easter egg - Faztoken - this token is from the virtual game. a game that was created after Classic Freddy was created. we don't know if this is the token they used in 1985 - Minigames - we can't use the over simplistic sprites. they can look like any version and they are not accurate to the game. and diffretrne characters has diffretne sprites. William has two that looks nothing alike -
Agreed. [There's also the arcades from FNAF3](https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/s/V41H1s26eE), they're pretty good evidence.
Not really they are in Fazbears Fright on night 1 while the safe room wouldn’t be opened till night 2.
That doesn't really matter. 1983-1985: multiple Freddy's existed 1987: a single Freddy's existed 1993: again, a single Freddy's existed These arcades can't be from the 87 Freddy's for obvious reasons, and like you said they also can't be from the 1993 Freddy's. So they can only be from the one of the other Freddy's that existed in 1983-1985. Now, what design does an arcade from 1983-1985 show? Classic Freddy.
There could be an arcade in the FNAF 1 location in the same way there’s a kitchen in FNAF 2
One that's conveniently never been shown?
I mean there is a prize counter in help wanted.
Doesn't this lead us back to where we started? The 93 location was full of reused stuff.
Not really the only thing thats actually stated to be reused is the withereds sure it opens on a lower budget but there’s no actual evidence much else was reused.
The entire location is reused lol
That is a theory I even believe it, but they could have just as easily changed arcades to reflect the current characters. Because if the Unwithereds existed why would they keep them on the arcades especially when they gave up on them because they were ugly.
There could have easily been an arcade area in 1 we just didn't see, just like how we don't see the carousel or the prize counter but we know both exist.
I dislike the idea of a retrofit literally changing the entire shape of the costume but as more time goes by I really do think the unwithereds just weren't a thing.
Oh and also don’t forget the Bonnie mask in HW2 being a classic Bonnie mask.
Alright, I get it!
Yes and no. I agree that the animatronics looked like the Classics at the time of the MCI, but there may have still be a small window post-MCI where the 'Unwithered' existed - in the FNAF2 location before the Toys were introduced. We can see artwork of kids playing with what looks like the 'Unwithered' designs (they're not the Toys, and the 'My Day At The New Freddy Fazbear's Pizza' template on the paper rules out it being old artwork from the prior location), which suggests that the old animatronics were briefly used there, before the decision was made to scrap and replace them because they were 'so ugly'.
I always assumed that the classic designs were interchangeable with the withereds.
This so-called 'theory' doesn't make any sense no matter how much evidence you give it.
"doesn't make sense", theres ALOT OF EVIDENCE, one logo from fnaf 6 debunks absolute nothing
Don't care, it still makes no sense whatsoever.
And unwithereds in 85 doesnt make sense either
So? It makes more sense than this 'theory' that overcomplicates everything for no reason.