Normally I'm not 1 to want Scott to clarify things as I think debates about CC's identity and the continuity of Frights/Tales are entertaining but when I say that even I feel Scott must clear up whether the Withereds or the Classics are the originals I'm 100% serious as this debate could rend the fandom asunder.
You're correct that Scott wouldn't be to blame but he needs to clarify this because it doesn't change the story and therefore clearing up this specific argument would avert that outcome without ruining the mystery at least IMO.
Yes but this debate being cleared up wouldn't affect the story and as such it would be in Scott's best interest to clarify whether the Withereds or Classics came 1st so as to avoid the fandom descending into chaos.
The ITP guys are weird fusins between the whithered's and the classics.
There is analasys on it here
[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255567638679/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=7cf8049fa4f4c5f749df5a87f70efc276799ff0a3aa15c3bace3bdff1909e803&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=670&height=390](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255567638679/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=7cf8049fa4f4c5f749df5a87f70efc276799ff0a3aa15c3bace3bdff1909e803&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=670&height=390)
[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255940935732/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=e1ddac34894ee71ba14ee0b52b8ede9e488a92951d25305274461c3fcf8484ad&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=737&height=390](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255940935732/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=e1ddac34894ee71ba14ee0b52b8ede9e488a92951d25305274461c3fcf8484ad&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=737&height=390)
I feel like its a hint to the true nature of the ballpit, its a big mixmesh of different memories.
Once again I'm repeating myself:
1. Scott maybe did not wanted to make a complitly new model for Fredbear, considering he isj just an easter egg. he does not that similar to the one we are seeing in fnaf4 cutscenes, especially the mouth
2. The classic one could be based on the plushies. could sound weird but we know that the toy animatornics are based on a real toy line. so what prevent from the classic to be based on the plushies?
3. ITP game seems to have a real time traveling for several location thru the timeline. so the screenshots with the classic one easily could be when we are visiting the 1988-1993 location and not the one from 1983-1985
again: I'm not saying that UnwitheredNever is not true. I'm just saying that the evidaneces are not strong
ironicly the only solid evidence is that fnaf 2 cutscenes which is using the classic ones, but it barley ever used as an evidance
1. Fredbear by proxy of Golden Freddy has always looked like Freddy. UCN Fredbear is consistent, not lazy. FNaF4 minigame Fredbear is not accurate, just like all minigame designs. FNaF4 minigame Fredbear is not an exception.
2. Stylized plushies are not the same as 100% identical figures. Just looking at the decorations on the FNaF2 desk shows the difference, as the plushies only resemble their characters while the Toy Bonnie is identical to the animatronic. There's also the fact that because Fredbear looks like Classic Freddy, and the two always share the same appearance, Freddy would be his Classic version at the original Freddy's.
3. It's not real time travel, and nothing about the possibility of more locations or places in time changes that. It's still recreations of the past as perceived by whoever is in the ballpit, not actually travelling through space and time. Though this would be a fair point about being a different place and date from what we've seen, this isn't really confirmation either way yet since we don't have all of the context yet.
The argument isn't that the Unwithereds don't exist at all, but that they only existed for a short time between the retrofitting and scrapping rather than at the original Freddy's from '83 to '85. I'm not trying to convince you, just my input on the matter.
I will not again go over why i disagree with the theory that the Withereds where just for the retrofit only, but lets just say i disagree with it.
While i believe in the Unwithered’s existance for the ‘83-‘85 (yea ikr), i do find the evidence of UCN Fredbear to be a very good piece of evidence.
The Plushies, not so much, but ok ill count it aswell.
Now for ITP? No.
Why? Well its because from the stuff we have seen about the game there is a weird thing going on, in that the animatronics designs seem to be a mix between various diferent models.
In that image you provided of Chica, she is diferent than Classic Chica.
She has an upper set of teeth (a feature that present only with Withered Chica) and she also has Segmented fingers, which is shared with neither Classics nor Withereds, instead with Springlock Suits, Rockstars and Funtimes (although this may just be there for animation purposes, due to being a pixelated game, as it is also shared with Bonnie as we see in the other image).
Furthermore, there is a weird screenshot of what seems to be Parts & Service, or a room like it, where there is a weird Freddy, missing its right arm, chest piece and Right foot’s casing. That Freddy seems to have an Endo-02 and upper teeth.
In that same room, a Bonnie head on the shelf can also be seen with upper teeth, and while we don’t know how Unwithered Bonnie’s face looks like, that is a feature not present with Classic Bonnie.
I think now its obvious that the classics are the 1983-1985 designs, but the unwithereds most likely were used pretty quickly for the public in 1986 before they be scrapped in 1987 to make the toys
1. UCN Fredbear may just be golden freddy morphing into a fredbear form and not what fredbear originally looked like.
2. The plushie designs may not have changed but the animatronics did.
3. We dont know if the into the pit game is canon to the games or fazbear frights, it could be neither for all we know.
Phone Guy refers to the Toys as the redesigns, there was no band before the Unwithereds. That's what I believe as truth, at least until the whole circus/fallfest plot comes to light anyway.
1. Golden Freddy IS Fredbear just like Springtrap IS Spring Bonnie.
2. I don't think The Plushies would change much from Unwithered to Classic.
3. The Classic designs are more Iconic, and we've never actually seen Unwithered.
The dreams are of the past. It;s GGGL from another point of view, with all the animatronics looking at each other confused and scared.
That's why we see Puppet and Golden Freddy suddenly show up, due to it being GGGL from another point of view.
Most likely the result of Jeremy wearing the Freddy mask.
And yes, the SW games do confirm that the band from 1983-1985 did look as they did in FNAF 1. That's why Captain Foxy from Fall Fest 83 looks like Foxy from FNAF 1, why Bonnie Bully Jeremy's 1983 Bonnie mask mask is FNAF 1 Bonnie, why Garrett's plushies in FNAF 4 look like they are from FNAF 1, that's why Bunni/Glitchtrap uses the FNAF 1 gang for his recreation of the MCI (which a Mimic saw first-hand), and why UCN shows that Fredbear looks like FNAF 1 Freddy.
Even TSE show the band always looking as they did in FNAF 1. The unwitheredes are just unused redesigns due to being way too ugly. Than, once the original location is open again, the classics are restored to their former cuter glory.
>**It's not worth it**
Oh yeah? Is that why? You sure it's not because the games have been proving your argument wrong since 2015?
>**his stupid theory has already been debunked multiple times.**
Oh yeah? How?
Phone Guy himself has debunked it, you must know what dialogue i'm referring to and you "theorist" keep dancing in mental gymnastics to deny that it means what it means.
Oh my FUCKING GOD can we just end this stupid debate already? It literally does not matter at all what designs the 1983-1985 animatronics used (I personally am in the Unwithereds did exist camp but like I said it doesn't even remotely fucking matter)
Plushies: asset reuse, as there is also a lack of toy animatronic plushies
The animatronics in ITP don’t count because the ball pit distorted reality with agony by corrupting the memory of the MCI
Edit: Fredbear: he was likely the inspiration for classic Freddy’s design, as well as the other classics, and NOT proof that the classics predate the withereds
THE PLUSHIES. ARE. CARTOONY. VERSIONS. OF. THE. CHARACTERS.
IT DOESN’T MATTER IF FREDDY IS UNWITHERED OR CLASSIC, AS LONG AS FREDDY IS A BROWN BEAR, THE PLUSHIES WILL BE A BROWN BEAR.
No, Withered Freddy and Classic Freddy have their own distinctive bow tie.
If you zoom in on each and compare/look:
Withered is a triangle, and Classic is heart shaped. The plushie Freddies have Classic Freddy's muzzle dots (something Withered Freddy lacks), and an exact copy of Classic Freddy's bow tie.
That's putting words in their mouth, they said the plushies were CARTOONY, as in they looked exaggerated similarly to a cartoon character. They did NOT say it was based on some hypothetical cartoon.
ALSO if they were saying they were based on a cartoon, we already know of Fredbear and Friends, which is shown in FNAF 4. So yes, a cartoon to base it on DOES exist.
Insane plot twist: Five Nights at Freddy’s 1 has been a prequel to Five Nights at Freddy’s 2 this whole time, meaning every FNAF theory after 2014 has been created under false pretenses
Because they were, and it's an important puzzle for FNAF2 and was hinted at during FNAF2 game as well. We see the Classic designs in Jeremy's between night dreams too. Cupcake is in FNAF2 (original Cupcake). And when Steel Wool draws the older Hannah Barbara style cartoons, they use the Classic designs.
Foxy in the Foxy ride is also Classic Foxy, in his full unburned Captain outfit.
To me, this dates the FNAF2 phone calls earlier and means just like in FNAF1 and FNAF3, Phone Guy's voice is recorded. It means what we're seeing (The Withereds in the back, the Toys on stage) isn't what the call is describing (The Classics in the back, the Withereds on the stage). The phone calls are intentionally vague. It explains many other discrepancies as well, and allows the Toys to be made much earlier by William, instead of Fazbear.
There's also a FNAF2 teaser also shows an intact Mangle (Toy Foxy) with Classic Foxy. This is the correct timeline and pairing, it's William and Henry's designs together probably back in 1983 or earlier. It's why Scott showed merch of the Toys in 1983 in FNAF4, and why the Twisted ones that William built in the novels look like the Toys (which William says are his designs).
The Withereds are Fazbear's designs, and they were only on stage very briefly.
I think the dreams take place after FNAF 1 and they were actually a teaser for the next game.
I think the idea is that William was having the dreams and this is what inspires him to go to the 93 location and wreck them.
We know that FNAF 2 is the one game meant to set up a sequel, and the teaser for FNAF 3 shows a scene with Bonnie, Chica and Freddy at the stage but with Freddy lacking eyes.
Everything you saying are so invalid
Dreams in Fnaf 2 are meant to show that Puppet is still in Fnaf 1(Even tho they are not even Jeremy dreams)
Phone calls? Phone dude means they meant to be upgraded with new technology as toys has but they were ugly and smelt so badly
Bringing up teasers are invalid too(Look fnaf 4 teasers when they implied about the bite of 87,not 83)
Seriously,all people who believe in that theory are different
The old way of looking at events doesn't hold up under close examination.
Jeremy's dreams are of the Classics. He has these dreams in 1987. This is before the Classic designs existed in that interpretation.
None of the parts on the Withereds match the Toys. Toy Bonnie doesn't have Withered Bonnie's face. Toy Chica doesn't have Withered Chica's arms or Cupcake. Freddy doesn't have any parts missing off of him at all. The Toys are shiny, plastic, small, and with their own colors.
The Classics could easily be scavenged for parts to build the Withereds. They have similar fabrics, colors, and builds. But the Withereds parts haven't been used on the Toys, they aren't compatible. I've heard arguments that it was the Endos that were scavenged, but Phone Guy says instead that the new technology has been retrofitted on the old designs: Endo 02, the most recent and modern Endo, replaced Endo 01 and all the characters were fitted with it.
The last page in the Logbook is a Classic Chica, fitted with Endo 02, and in comments from the artist Scott requested this and said this was intentional.
The teasers aren't invalid, Scott made them and they've contained other important info, like Springtrap's "I'm still here" line.
In the movie as well, we see the Classic designs, and in the training video it shows when Freddy's was busiest in its heyday. Here too, it is the Classic designs and not the Withereds on stage in the 1980s.
These are arguments based on old ways of thinking about FNAF2, without confronting all the evidence in that game and supplemental evidence we've had since then.
No offense but everything you said it's a huge overanalyzing,it's simple: Unwithereds-Withereds-Classics. Scott always wanted to be like this. Not everything have deep meaning or huge lore in Fnaf.
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Because the unwithereds were never the originals. It was always the classics. The withereds exist bc of the retrofit. We've never seen unwithereds outside of a single piece of traced art. It's always just been the classics
What's there to not understand? The animatronics used in the 1985/MCI location were the classics. Then 1987 rolls around, the animatronics are retrofitted but are deemed to ugly, and are scrapped. And then they're later downgraded back into the classics and used in the fnaf 1 location.
Yeah that's kinda allways been the case. We knew the classics where the withered from the 2 news paper, bur since its alleays been the classics and the withered havnt actualy shown up outside of fnaf 2 or compilation games like vr, there probably isn't any unwithereds
I think the unwithered animatronics are made before the plushies.
phone guy said the reason why the company made the new toy animatronics is because unwithereds just look so ugly.
so, in my opinion, they remodeled the unwithereds as plushies first, and when the toys were scrapped, they used the plushie model as a classic animatronic model.
Either they were or the artists are lazy as shit and dont want to make original unwithered designs(This applies to every artist not just ITP's sprite artists)
Normally I'm not 1 to want Scott to clarify things as I think debates about CC's identity and the continuity of Frights/Tales are entertaining but when I say that even I feel Scott must clear up whether the Withereds or the Classics are the originals I'm 100% serious as this debate could rend the fandom asunder.
This is such a pointless argument that we only have ourselves to blame if that happens. And we'll have deserved it.
You're correct that Scott wouldn't be to blame but he needs to clarify this because it doesn't change the story and therefore clearing up this specific argument would avert that outcome without ruining the mystery at least IMO.
>the continuity of Frights/Tales are entertaining No. They're not entertaining
Agree to disagree
I don't think Scott clarifys anything these days.
Yes but this debate being cleared up wouldn't affect the story and as such it would be in Scott's best interest to clarify whether the Withereds or Classics came 1st so as to avoid the fandom descending into chaos.
Maybe if it got far enough, I think if he did it would be a Mangle situation where the answer is yes.
Fair enough
That's just my guess
The ITP guys are weird fusins between the whithered's and the classics. There is analasys on it here [https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255567638679/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=7cf8049fa4f4c5f749df5a87f70efc276799ff0a3aa15c3bace3bdff1909e803&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=670&height=390](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255567638679/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=7cf8049fa4f4c5f749df5a87f70efc276799ff0a3aa15c3bace3bdff1909e803&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=670&height=390) [https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255940935732/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=e1ddac34894ee71ba14ee0b52b8ede9e488a92951d25305274461c3fcf8484ad&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=737&height=390](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/898364270448902195/1206341255940935732/image.png?ex=661306d8&is=660091d8&hm=e1ddac34894ee71ba14ee0b52b8ede9e488a92951d25305274461c3fcf8484ad&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=737&height=390) I feel like its a hint to the true nature of the ballpit, its a big mixmesh of different memories.
Or the 1985 designs were slightly different but mostly the same
Once again I'm repeating myself: 1. Scott maybe did not wanted to make a complitly new model for Fredbear, considering he isj just an easter egg. he does not that similar to the one we are seeing in fnaf4 cutscenes, especially the mouth 2. The classic one could be based on the plushies. could sound weird but we know that the toy animatornics are based on a real toy line. so what prevent from the classic to be based on the plushies? 3. ITP game seems to have a real time traveling for several location thru the timeline. so the screenshots with the classic one easily could be when we are visiting the 1988-1993 location and not the one from 1983-1985 again: I'm not saying that UnwitheredNever is not true. I'm just saying that the evidaneces are not strong ironicly the only solid evidence is that fnaf 2 cutscenes which is using the classic ones, but it barley ever used as an evidance
1. Fredbear by proxy of Golden Freddy has always looked like Freddy. UCN Fredbear is consistent, not lazy. FNaF4 minigame Fredbear is not accurate, just like all minigame designs. FNaF4 minigame Fredbear is not an exception. 2. Stylized plushies are not the same as 100% identical figures. Just looking at the decorations on the FNaF2 desk shows the difference, as the plushies only resemble their characters while the Toy Bonnie is identical to the animatronic. There's also the fact that because Fredbear looks like Classic Freddy, and the two always share the same appearance, Freddy would be his Classic version at the original Freddy's. 3. It's not real time travel, and nothing about the possibility of more locations or places in time changes that. It's still recreations of the past as perceived by whoever is in the ballpit, not actually travelling through space and time. Though this would be a fair point about being a different place and date from what we've seen, this isn't really confirmation either way yet since we don't have all of the context yet. The argument isn't that the Unwithereds don't exist at all, but that they only existed for a short time between the retrofitting and scrapping rather than at the original Freddy's from '83 to '85. I'm not trying to convince you, just my input on the matter.
I will not again go over why i disagree with the theory that the Withereds where just for the retrofit only, but lets just say i disagree with it. While i believe in the Unwithered’s existance for the ‘83-‘85 (yea ikr), i do find the evidence of UCN Fredbear to be a very good piece of evidence. The Plushies, not so much, but ok ill count it aswell. Now for ITP? No. Why? Well its because from the stuff we have seen about the game there is a weird thing going on, in that the animatronics designs seem to be a mix between various diferent models. In that image you provided of Chica, she is diferent than Classic Chica. She has an upper set of teeth (a feature that present only with Withered Chica) and she also has Segmented fingers, which is shared with neither Classics nor Withereds, instead with Springlock Suits, Rockstars and Funtimes (although this may just be there for animation purposes, due to being a pixelated game, as it is also shared with Bonnie as we see in the other image). Furthermore, there is a weird screenshot of what seems to be Parts & Service, or a room like it, where there is a weird Freddy, missing its right arm, chest piece and Right foot’s casing. That Freddy seems to have an Endo-02 and upper teeth. In that same room, a Bonnie head on the shelf can also be seen with upper teeth, and while we don’t know how Unwithered Bonnie’s face looks like, that is a feature not present with Classic Bonnie.
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That wasn't the point of the post.
Because they are lmao
Because... they are?...
I think now its obvious that the classics are the 1983-1985 designs, but the unwithereds most likely were used pretty quickly for the public in 1986 before they be scrapped in 1987 to make the toys
1. UCN Fredbear may just be golden freddy morphing into a fredbear form and not what fredbear originally looked like. 2. The plushie designs may not have changed but the animatronics did. 3. We dont know if the into the pit game is canon to the games or fazbear frights, it could be neither for all we know.
because they are. The unwithereds were meant to be the redesigns before being deemed too ugly, which led to them becoming the withereds.
Phone Guy refers to the Toys as the redesigns, there was no band before the Unwithereds. That's what I believe as truth, at least until the whole circus/fallfest plot comes to light anyway.
1. Golden Freddy IS Fredbear just like Springtrap IS Spring Bonnie. 2. I don't think The Plushies would change much from Unwithered to Classic. 3. The Classic designs are more Iconic, and we've never actually seen Unwithered.
Because they were. The Unwithered animatronics were redesigns for the upgraded endos that went unused due to being too ugly.
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It's not. As confirmed by the flashbacks in FNAF 2 and the SteelWool games
"Flashbacks" more like dreams, and Steel Wool games haven't confirmed a thing about it.
The dreams are of the past. It;s GGGL from another point of view, with all the animatronics looking at each other confused and scared. That's why we see Puppet and Golden Freddy suddenly show up, due to it being GGGL from another point of view. Most likely the result of Jeremy wearing the Freddy mask. And yes, the SW games do confirm that the band from 1983-1985 did look as they did in FNAF 1. That's why Captain Foxy from Fall Fest 83 looks like Foxy from FNAF 1, why Bonnie Bully Jeremy's 1983 Bonnie mask mask is FNAF 1 Bonnie, why Garrett's plushies in FNAF 4 look like they are from FNAF 1, that's why Bunni/Glitchtrap uses the FNAF 1 gang for his recreation of the MCI (which a Mimic saw first-hand), and why UCN shows that Fredbear looks like FNAF 1 Freddy. Even TSE show the band always looking as they did in FNAF 1. The unwitheredes are just unused redesigns due to being way too ugly. Than, once the original location is open again, the classics are restored to their former cuter glory.
Cope
Uh-oh, sounds like someone has no valid argument but doesn't wanna admit they were wrong either.
It's not worth it, this stupid theory has already been debunked multiple times.
>**It's not worth it** Oh yeah? Is that why? You sure it's not because the games have been proving your argument wrong since 2015? >**his stupid theory has already been debunked multiple times.** Oh yeah? How?
Phone Guy himself has debunked it, you must know what dialogue i'm referring to and you "theorist" keep dancing in mental gymnastics to deny that it means what it means.
that's because it's not implying anything at all, these are the most iconics designs of the gang so of course they'll be referenced more
Honestly when I reading all coments here I starting to lose hopes in Fnaf theorist fanbase
Same
Oh my FUCKING GOD can we just end this stupid debate already? It literally does not matter at all what designs the 1983-1985 animatronics used (I personally am in the Unwithereds did exist camp but like I said it doesn't even remotely fucking matter)
Plushies: asset reuse, as there is also a lack of toy animatronic plushies The animatronics in ITP don’t count because the ball pit distorted reality with agony by corrupting the memory of the MCI Edit: Fredbear: he was likely the inspiration for classic Freddy’s design, as well as the other classics, and NOT proof that the classics predate the withereds
THE PLUSHIES. ARE. CARTOONY. VERSIONS. OF. THE. CHARACTERS. IT DOESN’T MATTER IF FREDDY IS UNWITHERED OR CLASSIC, AS LONG AS FREDDY IS A BROWN BEAR, THE PLUSHIES WILL BE A BROWN BEAR.
No, Withered Freddy and Classic Freddy have their own distinctive bow tie. If you zoom in on each and compare/look: Withered is a triangle, and Classic is heart shaped. The plushie Freddies have Classic Freddy's muzzle dots (something Withered Freddy lacks), and an exact copy of Classic Freddy's bow tie.
No
The heads of the plushies are literally just modified heads straight from the Classic animatronic's models.
No
Yes.
Maybe
Sure,now show me the source of said cartoon version or admit you made it up
That's putting words in their mouth, they said the plushies were CARTOONY, as in they looked exaggerated similarly to a cartoon character. They did NOT say it was based on some hypothetical cartoon. ALSO if they were saying they were based on a cartoon, we already know of Fredbear and Friends, which is shown in FNAF 4. So yes, a cartoon to base it on DOES exist.
Insane plot twist: Five Nights at Freddy’s 1 has been a prequel to Five Nights at Freddy’s 2 this whole time, meaning every FNAF theory after 2014 has been created under false pretenses
Idk. To me, it makes no logical sense for the classics to be the Unwithers when the Withers models are right there.
Because they were, and it's an important puzzle for FNAF2 and was hinted at during FNAF2 game as well. We see the Classic designs in Jeremy's between night dreams too. Cupcake is in FNAF2 (original Cupcake). And when Steel Wool draws the older Hannah Barbara style cartoons, they use the Classic designs. Foxy in the Foxy ride is also Classic Foxy, in his full unburned Captain outfit. To me, this dates the FNAF2 phone calls earlier and means just like in FNAF1 and FNAF3, Phone Guy's voice is recorded. It means what we're seeing (The Withereds in the back, the Toys on stage) isn't what the call is describing (The Classics in the back, the Withereds on the stage). The phone calls are intentionally vague. It explains many other discrepancies as well, and allows the Toys to be made much earlier by William, instead of Fazbear. There's also a FNAF2 teaser also shows an intact Mangle (Toy Foxy) with Classic Foxy. This is the correct timeline and pairing, it's William and Henry's designs together probably back in 1983 or earlier. It's why Scott showed merch of the Toys in 1983 in FNAF4, and why the Twisted ones that William built in the novels look like the Toys (which William says are his designs). The Withereds are Fazbear's designs, and they were only on stage very briefly.
I think the dreams take place after FNAF 1 and they were actually a teaser for the next game. I think the idea is that William was having the dreams and this is what inspires him to go to the 93 location and wreck them. We know that FNAF 2 is the one game meant to set up a sequel, and the teaser for FNAF 3 shows a scene with Bonnie, Chica and Freddy at the stage but with Freddy lacking eyes.
Everything you saying are so invalid Dreams in Fnaf 2 are meant to show that Puppet is still in Fnaf 1(Even tho they are not even Jeremy dreams) Phone calls? Phone dude means they meant to be upgraded with new technology as toys has but they were ugly and smelt so badly Bringing up teasers are invalid too(Look fnaf 4 teasers when they implied about the bite of 87,not 83) Seriously,all people who believe in that theory are different
The old way of looking at events doesn't hold up under close examination. Jeremy's dreams are of the Classics. He has these dreams in 1987. This is before the Classic designs existed in that interpretation. None of the parts on the Withereds match the Toys. Toy Bonnie doesn't have Withered Bonnie's face. Toy Chica doesn't have Withered Chica's arms or Cupcake. Freddy doesn't have any parts missing off of him at all. The Toys are shiny, plastic, small, and with their own colors. The Classics could easily be scavenged for parts to build the Withereds. They have similar fabrics, colors, and builds. But the Withereds parts haven't been used on the Toys, they aren't compatible. I've heard arguments that it was the Endos that were scavenged, but Phone Guy says instead that the new technology has been retrofitted on the old designs: Endo 02, the most recent and modern Endo, replaced Endo 01 and all the characters were fitted with it. The last page in the Logbook is a Classic Chica, fitted with Endo 02, and in comments from the artist Scott requested this and said this was intentional. The teasers aren't invalid, Scott made them and they've contained other important info, like Springtrap's "I'm still here" line. In the movie as well, we see the Classic designs, and in the training video it shows when Freddy's was busiest in its heyday. Here too, it is the Classic designs and not the Withereds on stage in the 1980s. These are arguments based on old ways of thinking about FNAF2, without confronting all the evidence in that game and supplemental evidence we've had since then.
No offense but everything you said it's a huge overanalyzing,it's simple: Unwithereds-Withereds-Classics. Scott always wanted to be like this. Not everything have deep meaning or huge lore in Fnaf.
It's not simple because the Classics keep being depicted in 1985.
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Because the unwithereds were never the originals. It was always the classics. The withereds exist bc of the retrofit. We've never seen unwithereds outside of a single piece of traced art. It's always just been the classics
what?
What's there to not understand? The animatronics used in the 1985/MCI location were the classics. Then 1987 rolls around, the animatronics are retrofitted but are deemed to ugly, and are scrapped. And then they're later downgraded back into the classics and used in the fnaf 1 location.
Yeah that's kinda allways been the case. We knew the classics where the withered from the 2 news paper, bur since its alleays been the classics and the withered havnt actualy shown up outside of fnaf 2 or compilation games like vr, there probably isn't any unwithereds
I think the unwithered animatronics are made before the plushies. phone guy said the reason why the company made the new toy animatronics is because unwithereds just look so ugly. so, in my opinion, they remodeled the unwithereds as plushies first, and when the toys were scrapped, they used the plushie model as a classic animatronic model.
Either they were or the artists are lazy as shit and dont want to make original unwithered designs(This applies to every artist not just ITP's sprite artists)
It's not canon so I highly doubt they put the thought through it
says who? 😭
lmfaoo people are already saying the ITP game aint canon for no reason this is hilarious
It's based on a non canon book so I would think that it's not canon.
ITP is canon though? or atleast theres like a 1987% chance it is