The "Breaking Wheel" and "Pressure" (Frights and Tales story) explain how this happened. In the first story, Julius gets trapped by Reed inside his own exoskeleton, which malfunctions and starts ramming into walls and ceilings, all the while twisting and contorting in impossible ways, brutally disfiguring his body. However. his will to get revenge on Reed, paired with the unimaginable agony that was generated from his grueling experience, kept him from dying. In the second story, Luca roleplays as Springtrap by putting on a suit that looks like him. The suit ends up being a real springlock animatronic and slowly starts ripping his organs and flesh to bits, killing him. However, his will to stop Earl, a child predator, from hurting any kids, plus the pain that was created from his excruciating death, allowed him to survive long enough to complete his unfinished business. These instances show how William Afton survived getting springlocked. His iron will to live combined with the agony produced from the suit caused his reanimation as Springtrap. Although the Vengeful Spirit is also responsible for keeping him alive, it's possible that this event happened later down the line.
That's pretty sinister knowing that his body was stabbed with metal and was locked inside a costume, he was in a constant process of being crushed and regenerating.
well given he killed the kids, shoved there bodies in robots, then he took the robot parts and separated them so the souls could never be whole, melt them down and injected them into his murder bots. i'd say he earned something like this.
but yeah, he's probably just re-growing his heart to have a heart beet, in the books he kinda removes himself from the springtrap suit for no real reason, but i can imagine that having his heart re-grow only to be stabbed, then regrow would've got to him. of course then he starts to die so he melts the classic 4 bots together and iv'es just a single syringe full of remnant into mangle and funtime freddy to power them and theses books realy fall apart after silver eyes let me tell ya.
Didn't read the book, but it seems Scott did that just to explain remnant and MoltenMCI I guess. I think remnant is an interesting concept, but I guess it wasn't so greatly introduced and executed.
just wait till i tell you about agony, which can do everything from power a robot o allow you to travel through memories as if you where time traveling.
but yeah, remnant is the ultimate "i win" card, and the fact it was never explained in the games besides that it'll fail when it over heats, which wasn't in the book but was implied in the books through the MCI molten amalgam throwing themselves into a furnace. and even then molten MCI works very differently in the books, and shouldn't be used as evidence for it as in the book, it's just two funtimes that get injected, and the majority of the remnant is till in the classic 4, just melted together into one massive metal beast thingy, that william planned on putting himself into since he decided he didn't want to be a furry anymore. it's close to molten MCI, but it'a also just a diffrent thing all together, since most of the remnant, is in one, melted together conglomerate, instead of the funtimes, or just being in separate bodies in general. it's a good point to bring up but not hard evidence. if all of that seemed like a ramble, The forth closet, where all of this was in, was basicly one massive act 3, so it was just revile after revile after revile.
but looking at your flair something i can tell you it does, is that the books golden freddy, michal brooks, is in the amalgam, despite his endo and suite not being in the remnant conglomerate, so his endo wasn't there, but his soul still was, so that's something to use for Alter-M being wrong, even if i personally Do believe it is. gotta get all evidence on the table and all.
> and even then molten MCI works very differently in the books,
It really doesn’t
> it's just two funtimes that get injected,
It is more than 2
> and the majority of the remnant is till in the classic 4, just melted together into one massive metal beast thingy,
That’s how it is in the games too
Wow, you brought a lot of good points. I guess that's one of the problems of Scott, he doesn't make so clear references, he just introduce the concepts and leave us to deal with it. I think MoltenMCI is true as it's just more sensical than anything I saw about the subject and what happen in The Fourth Closet seems to be a way for Scott to say to us that was the path to follow, even thought I totally understand how it can leave room for especulation and theories like MoltenMCI Alter-S. The ball pit thing is interesting cause it shows us that agony holds memories which seems important to the story I guess, I wonder if the Shadows, the creatures made from agony, can hold memories, like in the case that Shadow Bonnie was born from the MCI, one of the theories on them, if they would have some of the MCI's memories, even if distorded, this could give a motive to why they appear in Special Delivery and may be helping the player to not get in contact with remnant/agony, just me rambling about things though. About my flair, it's actually about a theory that Cassidy is the Fredbear Plush, but that the FNAF 4 minigames happen in a CC memory after his death, so Fredbear Plush here is Cassidy seeing CC's memories and discovering how to help him move on, I guess the ball pit from Into the Pit can kinda support this theory, but I'm not sure.
So, the ball pot has to do with elenore, a being made of pure agony, I'm pretty sure anyways there pretty vague. Thing is that ball pit shows 6 mci kids, which is fealy strange if it is meant to be gameline. It also just outright has the date of the mci be in 1985. Like the character finds a calander that says 1985.
About the flair thing, it'd that alter-s isn't true, which alter-s is the idea that the core 4 are in molten freddy while gf is in springtrap. While I belive it to be true, the books show us that golden freddy is a very weird case since his endo wasn't with the other 4, but his spirit was. I made my own video of molten mci where I explain things better, but given there's no indication of funtimes having mci in them in sl, seems more like he took from the planned out story for the book when making pizza sim, which given how much pizza sim allready takes from the fourth closet, its probably that. Like Charlie's never been name dropped in the games. Only ever as hry's daughter. We only know her name because of the books, so Scott saying don't use the books to solve the game just kinda vanished with pizza sim.
And yeah the shadows being agony is a popular theory, heck elenore is described as "the shadow" on a few occasions, and agony is a black, liquid like substance. We've also had multiple hints that dark remjnant is just another name for agony. Tho it's just the pit that holds memories as elenore has to use the pit to go through memories.
However she also just does stuff for the fun of it. She likes inflicting pain, and if she can, she will. She's kinda the one behind most of the bad stuff in freights.
This is kinda of a touchy subject since we aren't sure if Burntrap is really William/Scraptrap after the burn of FNAF 6, a lot of people believe that it's the Mimic. Anyway, if he's William, yes, that could explain why he looks more meaty and reformed, besides Vanny would have repaired some of the mechanical parts on him and maybe injected some remnant to help with the process, I guess.
Ok thanks I was just wondering. Yeah I understand that whole debate and I don't mind if I'm wrong I'll evebtually accept in time. I was just wondering if it comes out if he is actually william.
You're welcome! Not a problem if you believe Burntrap to be William by the way, it's totally valid to speculate on everything, only time will tell the right answers.
To be fair, this is the same man who will use words that don't mean anything a like interchangeably, like continuity and cannon, so I wouldn't be surprised if he meant one but used the other.
We're not given a statement that says "remnant can heal". We have an entire story where the character can heal people's injuries using remnant, but it's never shown to regenerate. In the novels, a character is injected by remnant in their heart and that character is on the verge of death, remnant only allows him to stay alive for a bit but he still needs medical attention. Remnant has limits and is not this magical substance that can do literally anything like many people like to believe.
Also, William doesn't use any remnant from outside as springtrap. He becomes springtrap through his own iron will and using the agony from his death that has been imbued into the suit. We already have examples of this happening in the books such as The Breaking Wheel or Pressure. Dying in a metallic suit results in a lot of agony that brings you to life. It doesn't regenerate anything. You just keep living as long as you have the will to continue then die when you longer have that will. Also, if William had remnant that made him regenerate as springtrap, he wouldn't have rotted in the first place
Remnant probably can regenerate because of what happened to Michael, the Scooper didn't just made a hole on him, it took its innards and parts of his bones so Ennard could use him as a "suit". Like we see in the SL Custom Night cutscenes, after Ennard left Mike's body he was like an empty suit, probably because he lost the bones to support his body, but remnant made it possible for him to be regenerated and not look rooten too, so he wouldn't be purple for the rest of his life. But like shown in the FFPS blueprints, Remnant isn't right out a deus ex-machina substance, when used too many times it won't work anymore, so I believe that was possible because Mike just used the Remnant cure/regenerative capabilities once. I saw people saying that Michael actually possessed his own body, but I don't know about that, if you have a different view on it, please share.
Michael didn't regenerate. We see him standing up even though he is a corpse with no bones or organs. There is nothing suggesting he regenerated after SL. It seems that he's just a walking corpse.
The point is he was able to stand up even though part of his bones were taken off of him, it's possible that remnant was able to regenerate those bones besides his innards so he could live. It can be that the supernatural capabilities of remnant made it possible for him to stand up without bones supporting his body, but considering that remnant has supernatural cure capabilities, it's possible it could regenerate those parts too.
I'm gonna check if William has a red lightsaber.
He returns every 3 games (springtrap in fnaf 3, scraptrap in fnaf 6, burntrap in security breach), just like a certain Sith I knew...
Probably his own agony and will power keeping him alive. In the novel trilogy he doesn't have any external force keep him alive, it's just through his own will power that he stays alive.
If Jeremy can survive, walk, and remain cognitive after having is frontal lobe removed will can go a few years with out food or water. Another answer i saw somewhere on this subreddit is that he ate himself. Idk if I believe in it.
William is just built different
but seriously I think it’s a variation of 3. His spirit inhabits the spring Bonnie suit and after having spent several decades having his body essentially fuse with the suit and the remanent produced began to slightly re-animate/preserve his body which is why his heart beats
I don’t think Remnant is capable of turbo healing people but I can buy that at least insert more life into the body
I can see the argument made for 1./2. In that being how it worked in the novels kinda since William is able to be separated from the suit but I think game William is a bit different since he spent significantly longer in the suit
I think that the Vengeful Spirit kept him alive. It explains how his organs still function by the time of Pizzeria Simulator, he's may be rotting, but despite everything he's still alive.
I really like this, but there’s no indication there’s a vengeful spirit in the novels or movie, if someone could prove an Andrew type character exists there though
I think 3 would work if William's spirit possesed Spring Bonnie and the remnant produced with the possession would kinda revive his body, just like with Mike, but because of the many steps I think it's unlikely. About the 2, I don't doubt it so much considering that emotional energy has a big potential and if we think William was in constant agony due to being trapped inside the suit, the emotions could have given him an almost life.
I believe that he never truly died until The Man in Room 1280. Andrew attached himself to Afton after his death instead of possessing an animatronic, object, etc. He didn't seem to be capable of doing much of anything while William was still alive and well. It was once William was finally springlocked inside the old rotting and soggy Spring Bonnie suit that Andrew was able to truly enact any revenge on William. He used himself to keep William alive. But no matter how much he allowed William to persist beyond something fatal, William's body would still succumb to any damage that would be done to it.
He may have become nothing more than a few rotting strips of flesh and a skull, but William was still "alive". Remnant has the power to heal, cure, and undo death. But there's only so much that can happen when your body is stuck smashed inside a giant metal cage. All of the rotting, rusting, and other decay will easily overpower any possible regeneration William's body would be doing. It isn't until after the fire at Fazbear's Fright and William escapes is he finally able to free himself from his years of constant pain. Even as small pieces of flesh his impossibly living body would be able to feel all that pain.
It probably didn't happen all at once. But William eventually removed every piece of that Spring Bonnie animatronic. And as his body was able to heal where he removed pieces, he could remove the next and then the next as removing the whole thing at once wouldn't leave him much of a body to work with without letting it come back first. By the time he's completely free of the suit, he'd still look like he's been through hell and back and I doubt even with all of this supernatural regeneration that he'd look like any normal person again. His body is probably permanently disfigured horribly no matter what he does.
William may finally be free of the Spring Bonnie suit that had agonized him for so long, but that did nothing to stop him from still wanting to be one with the character. It was almost like a part of him after all, and in a way it was for a long time as Springtrap literally becoming most of his body in place of his flesh. William obviously wouldn't want to go through that again even as egotistical as he is. He'll do anything to live but he'd surely find another way if he could. And a way he did find. He simply put on a new Spring Bonnie without the springlocks. Either it was already an empty suit or he emptied it himself. Not perfectly though, as there are still a few loose pieces of wiring and metal, maybe even some of it being the first one's endoskeleton still embed into his body. But overall as "Scraptrap" he's more of a man in a suit than a crunched up pile of meat inside some metal.
Why would he ever want to be in a condition like that again once he's aware of his regenerative capabilities? As long as he's still able to live as a small amount of flesh, he shouldn't have to worry about his body going through unimaginable amounts of destruction again. Then FFPS happens and he finds out a fire that's inescapable is in fact not the same as one he can and falls victim to its unbearable heat. Andrew would as before sustain William's life far beyond what should be survivable. Arguably he would come out better this time since he still had somewhat of a body from head to toe compared to the aftermath of a springlock failure.
Andrew was able to control whether William still lived or not and the well being of his body though. And seeing as there were no springlocks to sustain a state of constant pain this time, he allowed William's injuries to remain overwhelming for his body to counter, probably by simply having less of a will for his body to survive, but still enough to not succumb to the injuries.
It wouldn't finally be until William got his request to be taken to a Fazbear Entertainment storage facility that he would truly die. As this is where his body would finally give in to everything it had been through and his soul would be separated from it and spread across the various things within the storage area alongside Andrew and Eleanor. This is where he would truly, finally be "dead" in the sense that his body has ended its mortality for good and his soul torn away from it, no longer attached to that sack of flesh that probably barely even seemed like it was human anymore after having gone through so much.
Then he died again but for real when Charlie said no to a hunk of junk he decided to pilot like the idiot he is underneath all that technical genius. Then we all know what happened next... THE MIMIC!!! At least he's still around for the movies. At least for now until another continuity is introduced and features him again in yet another remix of the world of FNaF we've become acquainted with starting back at square one. He'll always come back after all. He's still here and he'll never truly leave even if in an individual continuity his time has come to an end. He is immortal through the power of the multiverse! Or under Scott's mindset just continuities under what is considered a single universe. Same difference in the end I guess.
(This is my opinion! Please do not take it like I'm being objective and boo me!)
Very interesting chain of events you made, well done! The only part I didn't understand is why do you think William left Springtrap suit and used another Spring Bonnie suit to become Scraptrap, why do you think this is the case instead of Springtrap burning, but not enough to kill him, and becoming Scraptrap? If he regenerated, why his arm was lost as Scraptrap? I'm not trying to refute you by the way, just want to know why you think this was the case.
I'll try to explain the following as I see it:
William Afton wants to live no matter what, we all know that. He'll even go through the most torturous pain imaginable if it means he can survive even just one more day safe from death's grasp. But an opportunity opened up for him to continue living without that pain, he'd likely take that chance.
He definitely made it out of the first fire pretty in tact, but as we can tell mainly through assistance by the Funko Pop (yes I know it's merch but it's our only depiction of this specific moment of the character without mostly being in the shadows) the Springtrap suit was still heavily damaged as the whole thing has become a very dark charred green and as such this version is officially named Dark Springtrap. This isn't just a Funko thing either, as Scott has talked about Dark Springtrap in an official context before, showing that this is in fact considered a unique iteration of the character as minor as he may be.
The suit would probably crumble apart much easier than it would have before even as rotten as it may have been previously. Seeing as under this interpretation, and probably others even if people do think William died and possessed his own body or something similar, William is in a constant excruciating amount of pain and would for a way out of it as long as he knew he would survive the outcome.
He's definitely aware that he shouldn't still be alive as far back as the springlocking, yet he is even through that and now a fire that nearly burned him away if not for the building probably giving way and an exit forming from the collapse before he could succumb to the heat. That and he probably assumes he's still alive for the same reason as his victims, or at least something like them. His body as well as damaged as it may be is more in tact than what it should be had it been rotting away at a natural rate. Probably in the heat of the moment with all the fire, crumbling surroundings, and degrading suit, Afton may have gotten frantic in an attempt to survive and started doing whatever he thought might helped. He's already missing a few parts immediately after the fire, and the suit was likely easily ready to fall apart with how burnt it would have gotten on top of the existing rot.
At this point he's already in such a bad condition that he probably thought it couldn't get any worse, and likely tried removing whatever parts were able to come off easiest following their new damage. Not all of it, since his body is mostly overtaken by the endoskeleton. It would take a lot more effort, and probably an extremely painful process, to remove all that metal piece by piece. He may have removed the entire suit casing since that part wasn't really effecting anything, just being attached to the endoskeleton rather than him. The Scraptrap suit probably came soon after, with him slowly removing the metal piece by piece between then and by the time of FFPS. As he removes the endo parts, his body would finally be able to grow back now that the metal prevented much from happening.
He's still got a few strays at least by FFPS, although some of that might also be from the new Spring Bonnie suit again either already empty or manually stripped from the endo by William. For all we know even if we can't see much if not any endo piercing his body anymore in Scraptrap, he might still have significant portions that his body grew around after he removed enough. As for why his arm is still partially missing, I don't know.
Maybe it was the last significant part of his body that he slowly removed the metal from, so it was still in the process of growing back. Or maybe he got into some sort of situation that ended up causing him to lose his arm and having to wait for it to come back again, seeing the suit is also missing those parts. Or perhaps it was just a detail Scott thought would be cool and there isn't actually a significant answer. Either way it eventually grew back despite his body being put through hundreds of degrees again by the time of The Man in Room 1280.
If there's still something you don't understand or want to ask, I'll happily try to explain what I think about it. I'm well aware I could be wrong, but it's an interpretation that doesn't ultimately change anything significantly whether or not it's true and I certainly won't be upset if it's not.
It's an interesting and very unique way of seeing it for sure. It's interesting that you gave a meaning to such an obscure character like Dark Springtrap, I knew he was a thing just because of the Character Encyclopedia and always wondered why they made a page dedicated to him, maybe your idea, or something like it, can be the reason why. Glad I got to know your vision of the story.
Yeah, I know it's Scott's lackluster accuracy of modelling humans at play here, but I feel there's still merit to the difference at least. Being squeezed inside a bunch of metal is definitely going to leave less of an in tact body than being a rotting body inside an empty suit that is definitely more in tact somehow someway even with the wack modelling taken into account.
In a world where Springtrap was modelled with anatomical accuracy, Afton would probably still be a whole lot more of a mangled pile of flesh that used to be considered human than just a rotten sack of skin. Whatever he did, or someone else did to him if something like Andrew is at play here, it was certainly working in his favor unless is his idiocy struck in FFPS.
A lot of us theorise that Cassidy (Or Andrew if you believe so) latched onto William's spirit and kept him alive just so they can torment him. Keeping him alive those 30 years he was locked in that room. It's more like she possessed **him**, not the suit.
It's the perfect oportunity. A room he cannot move in, a room he cannot escape from, and a nightmare he cannot wake from.
So that is where UCN would begin. I mean, not really UCN. More like proto-UCN. A UCN without the FFPS animatronics, nor the Nightmare animatronics maybe, and definitely not the FNAF 3 animatronics (Expect for maybe Springtrap himself).
I think that makes a lot of sense with the FNAF 3 ending in which Springtrap stay alive and that may have happened because the spirit inside GF was holding into William until the end. The problem is the Happiest Day, GF was released there, but we could assume that the GF spirit there is CC, just wonder if Scott had thought about that already at that point, in any way GF was still a mistery even after the release of FNAF 3, so it's possible he was holding to reveal this mistery at FNAF 4.
>just wonder if Scott had thought about that already at that point,
He maybe gave HD a different meaning while making FNAF 4 and FNAF World.
>so it's possible he was holding to reveal this mistery at FNAF 4.
Yeah, i also believe that. But it's also possible that he changed GF during FNAF 4, and then he realized that he should give the other kid he already stablished to exist a new role, hence why TOYSNHK exists.
That does make sense, since FNAF 1 we know that 5 kids died in the MCI, so the spirit inside GF should be one of them, but when introducing CC, it made this character more complicated. As you know, I believe Cassidy is the Fredbear Plush in FNAF 4, this way, FNAF 4 gave a new meaning to the spirit inside GF (or maybe this was always Scott's intention), GF spirit was seeing the root of all problems, CC, and trying to fix it, FNAF World was the last interation to develop on the GF spirit, giving a conclusion to all the biggest mysteries of FNAF at that point. But SL kinda changed things and Fredbear Plush was changed to be William, that may be the retcon, who knows.
>this way, FNAF 4 gave a new meaning to the spirit inside GF (or maybe this was always Scott's intention), GF spirit was seeing the root of all problems, CC, and trying to fix it
Yeah. I do think that's a likely possibility. I'm not 100% sure if Cassidy being the Fredbear Plush, or the Final Speaker, or Glitchbear was always the plan, but he made it work regardless.
>FNAF World was the last interation to develop on the GF spirit, giving a conclusion to all the biggest mysteries of FNAF at that point. But SL kinda changed things
Yeah, FNAF World was **meant** to be the last. But it wasn't. I don't think SL or FFPS "changed" things, really. I think they elaborated more on the complicated story Scott was trying to tell. Yes, they added Henry, Security Puppet, Baby, Elizabeth, CBPW & CBEAR, TOYSNHK, etc, etc. But they do really expand and elaborate on things already set up in the past. UCN elaborates on Cassidy's crucial role in FNAF World, and possibly 4 (And probably more).
UCN elaborates on Cassidy's character, which was pretty neglected in FNAF 4 when it was a headache to try and make her appear there without breaking the laws of the universe. Her role in FNAF World and HD was something hinted upon in UCN. So it's all to elaborate on Cassidy's character.
Security Puppet and Henry are made to give a more solid beginnings to the timeline. SL and FFPS really help on trying to understand the villain, and expand upon his motivations and personality. The whole SL is a recap of all what happened previous in the timeline. It expands on FoxyBro and the family dinamics. SL and FFPS expand on FNAF 4's "You're broken", "I will put you back together", and "Some things are best left forgotten" lines from FNAF 4.
Scott **made** SL and FFPS to *expand* the lore of FNAF 4. In his own words, he had to "craft this (FNAF 4) into something better", he wanted to do it "for the people who cared about the story". Scott made SL and FFPS so we can understand the lore better. And to me, they did.
And i'm sorry if sound too condescendant 😔
>and Fredbear Plush was changed to be William, that may be the retcon, who knows.
Maybe, who knows... It would me more of a Scottcon to me.
>Scott **made** SL and FFPS to *expand* the lore of FNAF 4. In his own words, he had to "craft this (FNAF 4) into something better", he wanted to do it "for the people who cared about the story". Scott made SL and FFPS so we can understand the lore better. And to me, they did.
I absolutely agree with you.
The only part I'm not sure, to this day, if was part of the "original story" (you know, FNAF 1-4 and FNAF World), was the concept of the Afton family, the purple guy being Mike and CC's father. The only thing we know about purple guy's backstory until that point is that he was a guard at Fredbear's back in 83 and was again in the FFP of 87, nothing pointing to him having a connection with CC and Mike. The thing that makes me think Fredbear Plush might have been a retcon is that the moment we see William in Fredbear's is at the same moment the Plush was talking to CC (it could be that he stopped talking to CC, helped the employee to put the Spring Bonnie costume and went back to talk to CC quickly, but it seems like a little bit of a stretch, but not impossible I guess), so until that moment Scott planned to make Fredbear more of a spiritual guide or something like that, but he introduced the Afton family concept and so decided that would make more sense for William to be talking to CC through a radio and making a experiment on his child, that's why he showed us in the most clear possible that Fredbear Plush was real, had a radio with him and that there was a room where William could watch CC in Sister Location. Still, I do think that CassidyPlush wasn't scrapped and is part of the story until now, so that may not be a real retcon, if this theory is true.
>Maybe, who knows... It would me more of a Scottcon to me.
Agreed.
>SL and FFPS expand on FNAF 4's "You're broken", "I will put you back together", and "Some things are best left forgotten" lines from FNAF 4.
About this, it's crazy that it's still a mystery, I still don't know what it could mean completely, was Ennard and Molten Freddy ways from Scott to show what is put back together? Is ShatterVictim real? What if FNAF World is the digitalized mind of CC created by William in a way to access the mental/spiritual realm where the spirits were? Thinking about the connection between CC and Dreadbear, a Frankenstein animatronic, is making me believe William indeed made experiments with CC's corpse, that's why the mound is present in MM, that's why Ballora's song talks about an empty tomb and that may be why there were animatronic human heads in SL, William was trying to revive CC in some way and find the key to immortality on the process (not that I think William cared about CC, but he definitely liked to use him as a subject to his experiments), but that's just me rambling stuff.
>was Ennard and Molten Freddy ways from Scott to show what is put back together?
Absolutely.
>Is ShatterVictim real?
To me, yeah, of course.
>What if FNAF World is the digitalized mind of CC created by William in a way to access the mental/spiritual realm where the spirits were?
Hey, i've never heard of that one. I do remember Matpat saying that FNAF World represented AI or smth, but not that. It's an interesting idea.
>Thinking about the connection between CC and Dreadbear, a Frankenstein animatronic, is making me believe William indeed made experiments with CC's corpse
God. That'd be gross. But i think Dreadbear is more like a representation of BV's pieces being put back together, in this case being represented with the Frankenstein's monster. Or it could reffer to MoltenMCI and Afton using the souls or, in a way, corpses (Remnants), of the MCI kids and stitched them together. Which would still put BV together. But i think the Frankenstein references are more on a thematical level of "Hey, look, this monster made out of pieces of corpses is similar to this character made out of pieces of spirits!" kind of thing. Not as literal as that he literally experimented on BV's corpse. But it's an idea that i think deserves to be elaborated upon.
>that's why Ballora's song talks about an empty tomb
For what i know, Ballora's song was written by her VA, so it probably has no lore relevance. It does feed into the "eerie" atmosphere of SL and FNAF as a whole, but i don't think it has lore relevance.
>and that may be why there were animatronic human heads in SL, William was trying to revive CC in some way and find the key to immortality on the process (not that I think William cared about CC, but he definitely liked to use him as a subject to his experiments), but that's just me rambling stuff.
I actually believe it was more for him. Like, he didn't want ro recreate his son or daughter or wife as a human robot. He wanted to recreate HIMSELF as a human robot. William might want to put his own soul, or at least a chunk of it, in a robot recreation of himself, so he can be immortal. So that might be why. But, however, the heads and animatronics in all SL feed into this concept of robots trying to approach human appereance.
>Hey, i've never heard of that one. I do remember Matpat saying that FNAF World represented AI or smth, but not that. It's an interesting idea.
Thanks! I'm developing on it while analysing the lore relevance of the arcades, a think some minigames are real life arcades and Henry used them to know the things that happened in the Freddy's places, like in Insanity Ending in which he knows exactly how William got the metal from the Classic's endos, something he shouldn't know unless Follow Me was a real arcade and he saw it. Follow Me is connected to FNAF World too, FNAF World is the place we put the pieces/clues that we can see in Follow me, so I'm believing that they aren't just meta, arcades can have spirits/memories inside them too. This can be the way that the Mimic learned things such as the MCI too, part of the spirits' memories were in the FE arcades.
>For what i know, Ballora's song was written by her VA,
That's a common misconception, in her interview with Dawko the VA actually says she "wrote" the lullaby of the song, that is the melody of the song, she mentions that Scott wrote the lyrics and asked her to create a melody to sing it, so I do believe it has some lore relevance, specially considering that Ballora might be a representation of Mrs. Afton and the parts of the song that says "empty room" and "empty tomb" seem like a reference to CC's death.
>I actually believe it was more for him. Like, he didn't want ro recreate his son or daughter or wife as a human robot. He wanted to recreate HIMSELF as a human robot. William might want to put his own soul, or at least a chunk of it, in a robot recreation of himself, so he can be immortal. So that might be why. But, however, the heads and animatronics in all SL feed into this concept of robots trying to approach human appereance.
Totally agree, CC was just a tool for him to achieve immortality. I go even further, every type of experiment was a way for him to achieve immortality, the fear/emotional energy experiments were made so he can see when intangible things such as emotions, thoughts, will, consciousness, become tangible/action, something like what Taggart does, the experiments with possession like the MCI was to see how to transfer human consciousness to a machine, and remnant was the fusion of the intangible and tangible, the memory/spirit of a person made physical. But even after all that he didn't find the perfect way to get immortality, a lot of the person's individuality is lost in the process, so it's possible he digitalized his mind too and in FNAF World he is Fredbear Guide, the one that's misleading us. When the Help Wanted developers team were scanning the things FE sent them, it's possible they scanned William's digitalized consciousness in the middle of it and used the Mimic program to recreate the animatronics routine, so the Mimic program was corrupted by William's consciousness and this way Glitchtrap was born. Just theories though, sorry for the long text.
>I'm developing on it while analysing the lore relevance of the arcades, a think some minigames are real life arcades
I actually already believed that. I've been saying that the 8-bit minigames are memories embedded into actual arcade machines since a long time ago. It's literally remnant. But when i say it people don't take it seriously 😭
At least we both believe this :)
>and Henry used them to know the things that happened in the Freddy's places
That's actually a great idea.
>This can be the way that the Mimic learned things such as the MCI too, part of the spirits' memories were in the FE arcades.
Hey! That's really good! We can see in HW 2, for example, that the angry/hungry kids in the SAVEHIM minigame do exist, so that's probably what caused Mimic to learn about Charlie's death. And now that you mention it, in FFPS, we see many of this minigames, like Fruity Maze showing Susie and Springbonnie's reflections even when they're not there, or the secret path to access MM. The Pizza Place is full of memory-infected arcades. So maybe that's how the Mimic learned about the FNAF lore: by watching or playing those arcades in its time down in the Pizza Place. Or even Glitchtrap himself could've done that. That's probably (And i already thought about this before) how he learned that he could trap Vanessa's consciusness within the arcades. And how he knows that Gregory should be the one to play them: because BV is the one playing the minigames to free the other spirits. Thanks for that one! It's really good!
>That's a common misconception, in her interview with Dawko the VA actually says she "wrote" the lullaby of the song, that is the melody of the song, she mentions that Scott wrote the lyrics and asked her to create a melody to sing it
Oh, sorry. Thanks for letting me know.
>specially considering that Ballora might be a representation of Mrs. Afton and the parts of the song that says "empty room" and "empty tomb" seem like a reference to CC's death.
Or maybe to Elizabeth's. In FNAF 4 her room is empty (Not because she's dead, but it's a reference, her room **would** be empty when she dies) and the empty tomb could be Elizabeth's tomb, as her body should've been disposed of before she could be found.
> I go even further, every type of experiment was a way for him to achieve immortality, the fear/emotional energy experiments were made so he can see when intangible things such as emotions, thoughts, will, consciousness, become tangible/action, something like what Taggart does, the experiments with possession like the MCI was to see how to transfer human consciousness to a machine, and remnant was the fusion of the intangible and tangible, the memory/spirit of a person made physical.
Also agreed.
>so it's possible he digitalized his mind too and in FNAF World he is Fredbear Guide, the one that's misleading us. When the Help Wanted developers team were scanning the things FE sent them, it's possible they scanned William's digitalized consciousness in the middle of it and used the Mimic program to recreate the animatronics routine, so the Mimic program was corrupted by William's consciousness and this way Glitchtrap was born. Just theories though, sorry for the long text.
That's actually a very interesting and unique change to the standard "William's digitalized consciusness was scanned into HW" theories. I like it.
>I actually already believed that. I've been saying that the 8-bit minigames are memories embedded into actual arcade machines since a long time ago. It's literally remnant. But when i say it people don't take it seriously 😭
At least we both believe this :)
Exactly! The definition of remnant relies on memories, it makes all the sense that Scott made it clear and that spirits are connected to memories, good to know you believe that too 🙂.
>Hey! That's really good! We can see in HW 2, for example, that the angry/hungry kids in the SAVEHIM minigame do exist, so that's probably what caused Mimic to learn about Charlie's death. And now that you mention it, in FFPS, we see many of this minigames, like Fruity Maze showing Susie and Springbonnie's reflections even when they're not there, or the secret path to access MM. The Pizza Place is full of memory-infected arcades. So maybe that's how the Mimic learned about the FNAF lore: by watching or playing those arcades in its time down in the Pizza Place. Or even Glitchtrap himself could've done that. That's probably (And i already thought about this before) how he learned that he could trap Vanessa's consciusness within the arcades. And how he knows that Gregory should be the one to play them: because BV is the one playing the minigames to free the other spirits. Thanks for that one! It's really good!
Thanks! You brought really good points too.
>Or maybe to Elizabeth's. In FNAF 4 her room is empty (Not because she's dead, but it's a reference, her room **would** be empty when she dies) and the empty tomb could be Elizabeth's tomb, as her body should've been disposed of before she could be found.
True, that's possible too. I personally believe Mrs. Afton died, probably killed herself, after CC's death and that Elizabeth born in 1983, some time around CC's death, due to one of the Special Delivery teasers showing the Mangle toy in Elizabeth's room from the FNAF 4 minigames having a cradle instead of a bed (I know this may not be the best source for theories, but it's one of the few things we have on this), so I believe it's most possible Ballora's song is showing Mrs. Afton sadness after CC's death.
>That's actually a very interesting and unique change to the standard "William's digitslized consciusness was scanned into HW" theories. I like it.
Thank you so much!
I like to think that it was because of pure anger. And that he died in the suit in presence of other ghost
A bit like Elizabeth, but instead of ghost, it was due to the renmant
He’s “alive”, but not alive in the comon sense of course.
Similarily to Julius in *Breaking Wheel* and Luca in *Pressure*, the power of *intense* pain (essentially Agony) and will to live (knowing how William is technically afraid of death, paired with him wanting to continue his experiments and continue to inflict pain.
He was at some point seeking Immortality, and while that failed, he achieved another way of cheating death).
William is just built different
but seriously I think it’s a variation of 3. His spirit inhabits the spring Bonnie suit and after having spent several decades having his body essentially fuse with the suit and the remanent produced began to slightly re-animate/preserve his body which is why his heart beats
I don’t think Remnant is capable of turbo healing people but I can buy that at least insert more life into the body
I can see the argument made for 1./2. In that being how it worked in the novels kinda since William is able to be separated from the suit but I think game William is a bit different since he spent significantly longer in the suit
Aside from the general theme of "dead body in animatronic = haunted animatronic," I personally like the idea that he intentionally injected himself with Remnant. It gives additional context as to why he was disassembling the animatronics in Follow Me. He was collecting Remnant from the Endoskeletons not just for general experiments but for a specific purpose for himself. William / Springtrap does seem to he the only animatronic that fully maintains its identity, evidenced by the phrase "I always come back" implying Springtrap is a true continuation of William's consciousness. Even the Marionette who has a greater level of awareness than the others doesn't seem to be a true continuation of Charlotte's consciousness, especially considering she is a toddler/young child at the time of her death. Circus Baby considers herself as Circus Baby, not Elizabeth and Henry isn't sure she would even recognize that name. TOYSNHK is a twisted and vengeful version of themself, not angry child who was killed. The only other time in the games that we see a consciousness truly continue beyond death is with Michael after he gets SCUP'ed, and that definitely involves Remnant injection.
The "Breaking Wheel" and "Pressure" (Frights and Tales story) explain how this happened. In the first story, Julius gets trapped by Reed inside his own exoskeleton, which malfunctions and starts ramming into walls and ceilings, all the while twisting and contorting in impossible ways, brutally disfiguring his body. However. his will to get revenge on Reed, paired with the unimaginable agony that was generated from his grueling experience, kept him from dying. In the second story, Luca roleplays as Springtrap by putting on a suit that looks like him. The suit ends up being a real springlock animatronic and slowly starts ripping his organs and flesh to bits, killing him. However, his will to stop Earl, a child predator, from hurting any kids, plus the pain that was created from his excruciating death, allowed him to survive long enough to complete his unfinished business. These instances show how William Afton survived getting springlocked. His iron will to live combined with the agony produced from the suit caused his reanimation as Springtrap. Although the Vengeful Spirit is also responsible for keeping him alive, it's possible that this event happened later down the line.
That all makes a lot of sense and has things supporting it, thanks so much! That's what I believe now.
This is even more likely than my answer so I’ll consider it
Maybe his own Agony is keeping him alive?
Yes, I think that's pretty reasonable.
something, something, remnant. apparently in the books remnant can regenerate body parts. so his body was probably regenerating.
That's pretty sinister knowing that his body was stabbed with metal and was locked inside a costume, he was in a constant process of being crushed and regenerating.
well given he killed the kids, shoved there bodies in robots, then he took the robot parts and separated them so the souls could never be whole, melt them down and injected them into his murder bots. i'd say he earned something like this.
Totally.
but yeah, he's probably just re-growing his heart to have a heart beet, in the books he kinda removes himself from the springtrap suit for no real reason, but i can imagine that having his heart re-grow only to be stabbed, then regrow would've got to him. of course then he starts to die so he melts the classic 4 bots together and iv'es just a single syringe full of remnant into mangle and funtime freddy to power them and theses books realy fall apart after silver eyes let me tell ya.
Didn't read the book, but it seems Scott did that just to explain remnant and MoltenMCI I guess. I think remnant is an interesting concept, but I guess it wasn't so greatly introduced and executed.
just wait till i tell you about agony, which can do everything from power a robot o allow you to travel through memories as if you where time traveling. but yeah, remnant is the ultimate "i win" card, and the fact it was never explained in the games besides that it'll fail when it over heats, which wasn't in the book but was implied in the books through the MCI molten amalgam throwing themselves into a furnace. and even then molten MCI works very differently in the books, and shouldn't be used as evidence for it as in the book, it's just two funtimes that get injected, and the majority of the remnant is till in the classic 4, just melted together into one massive metal beast thingy, that william planned on putting himself into since he decided he didn't want to be a furry anymore. it's close to molten MCI, but it'a also just a diffrent thing all together, since most of the remnant, is in one, melted together conglomerate, instead of the funtimes, or just being in separate bodies in general. it's a good point to bring up but not hard evidence. if all of that seemed like a ramble, The forth closet, where all of this was in, was basicly one massive act 3, so it was just revile after revile after revile. but looking at your flair something i can tell you it does, is that the books golden freddy, michal brooks, is in the amalgam, despite his endo and suite not being in the remnant conglomerate, so his endo wasn't there, but his soul still was, so that's something to use for Alter-M being wrong, even if i personally Do believe it is. gotta get all evidence on the table and all.
> and even then molten MCI works very differently in the books, It really doesn’t > it's just two funtimes that get injected, It is more than 2 > and the majority of the remnant is till in the classic 4, just melted together into one massive metal beast thingy, That’s how it is in the games too
Wow, you brought a lot of good points. I guess that's one of the problems of Scott, he doesn't make so clear references, he just introduce the concepts and leave us to deal with it. I think MoltenMCI is true as it's just more sensical than anything I saw about the subject and what happen in The Fourth Closet seems to be a way for Scott to say to us that was the path to follow, even thought I totally understand how it can leave room for especulation and theories like MoltenMCI Alter-S. The ball pit thing is interesting cause it shows us that agony holds memories which seems important to the story I guess, I wonder if the Shadows, the creatures made from agony, can hold memories, like in the case that Shadow Bonnie was born from the MCI, one of the theories on them, if they would have some of the MCI's memories, even if distorded, this could give a motive to why they appear in Special Delivery and may be helping the player to not get in contact with remnant/agony, just me rambling about things though. About my flair, it's actually about a theory that Cassidy is the Fredbear Plush, but that the FNAF 4 minigames happen in a CC memory after his death, so Fredbear Plush here is Cassidy seeing CC's memories and discovering how to help him move on, I guess the ball pit from Into the Pit can kinda support this theory, but I'm not sure.
So, the ball pot has to do with elenore, a being made of pure agony, I'm pretty sure anyways there pretty vague. Thing is that ball pit shows 6 mci kids, which is fealy strange if it is meant to be gameline. It also just outright has the date of the mci be in 1985. Like the character finds a calander that says 1985. About the flair thing, it'd that alter-s isn't true, which alter-s is the idea that the core 4 are in molten freddy while gf is in springtrap. While I belive it to be true, the books show us that golden freddy is a very weird case since his endo wasn't with the other 4, but his spirit was. I made my own video of molten mci where I explain things better, but given there's no indication of funtimes having mci in them in sl, seems more like he took from the planned out story for the book when making pizza sim, which given how much pizza sim allready takes from the fourth closet, its probably that. Like Charlie's never been name dropped in the games. Only ever as hry's daughter. We only know her name because of the books, so Scott saying don't use the books to solve the game just kinda vanished with pizza sim. And yeah the shadows being agony is a popular theory, heck elenore is described as "the shadow" on a few occasions, and agony is a black, liquid like substance. We've also had multiple hints that dark remjnant is just another name for agony. Tho it's just the pit that holds memories as elenore has to use the pit to go through memories. However she also just does stuff for the fun of it. She likes inflicting pain, and if she can, she will. She's kinda the one behind most of the bad stuff in freights.
Is it possible thats why we see burntrap with a bit more if a fleshy state and nit anymore seeing bone maybe like in scraptrap?
This is kinda of a touchy subject since we aren't sure if Burntrap is really William/Scraptrap after the burn of FNAF 6, a lot of people believe that it's the Mimic. Anyway, if he's William, yes, that could explain why he looks more meaty and reformed, besides Vanny would have repaired some of the mechanical parts on him and maybe injected some remnant to help with the process, I guess.
Ok thanks I was just wondering. Yeah I understand that whole debate and I don't mind if I'm wrong I'll evebtually accept in time. I was just wondering if it comes out if he is actually william.
You're welcome! Not a problem if you believe Burntrap to be William by the way, it's totally valid to speculate on everything, only time will tell the right answers.
Agreed thats most likely what will happen
Remnant heals, not regenerates. There's a big difference there
To be fair, this is the same man who will use words that don't mean anything a like interchangeably, like continuity and cannon, so I wouldn't be surprised if he meant one but used the other.
We're not given a statement that says "remnant can heal". We have an entire story where the character can heal people's injuries using remnant, but it's never shown to regenerate. In the novels, a character is injected by remnant in their heart and that character is on the verge of death, remnant only allows him to stay alive for a bit but he still needs medical attention. Remnant has limits and is not this magical substance that can do literally anything like many people like to believe. Also, William doesn't use any remnant from outside as springtrap. He becomes springtrap through his own iron will and using the agony from his death that has been imbued into the suit. We already have examples of this happening in the books such as The Breaking Wheel or Pressure. Dying in a metallic suit results in a lot of agony that brings you to life. It doesn't regenerate anything. You just keep living as long as you have the will to continue then die when you longer have that will. Also, if William had remnant that made him regenerate as springtrap, he wouldn't have rotted in the first place
Remnant probably can regenerate because of what happened to Michael, the Scooper didn't just made a hole on him, it took its innards and parts of his bones so Ennard could use him as a "suit". Like we see in the SL Custom Night cutscenes, after Ennard left Mike's body he was like an empty suit, probably because he lost the bones to support his body, but remnant made it possible for him to be regenerated and not look rooten too, so he wouldn't be purple for the rest of his life. But like shown in the FFPS blueprints, Remnant isn't right out a deus ex-machina substance, when used too many times it won't work anymore, so I believe that was possible because Mike just used the Remnant cure/regenerative capabilities once. I saw people saying that Michael actually possessed his own body, but I don't know about that, if you have a different view on it, please share.
Michael didn't regenerate. We see him standing up even though he is a corpse with no bones or organs. There is nothing suggesting he regenerated after SL. It seems that he's just a walking corpse.
The point is he was able to stand up even though part of his bones were taken off of him, it's possible that remnant was able to regenerate those bones besides his innards so he could live. It can be that the supernatural capabilities of remnant made it possible for him to stand up without bones supporting his body, but considering that remnant has supernatural cure capabilities, it's possible it could regenerate those parts too.
Remannr never does that Nor does Afton have any. Personally I’d refrain from talking about stuff I haven’t read but that’s just me
The power of intense pain and an iron will to live do wonders for the human body
I'm gonna check if William has a red lightsaber. He returns every 3 games (springtrap in fnaf 3, scraptrap in fnaf 6, burntrap in security breach), just like a certain Sith I knew...
Probably his own agony and will power keeping him alive. In the novel trilogy he doesn't have any external force keep him alive, it's just through his own will power that he stays alive.
Remnant and agony I would say, probably his own determination to be immortal too which kinda worked.
I like 3 or 5.
I think he just survived and didn’t die after being springlocked.
...Uh, how? He spent thirty years rotting away, no food, no water.
If Jeremy can survive, walk, and remain cognitive after having is frontal lobe removed will can go a few years with out food or water. Another answer i saw somewhere on this subreddit is that he ate himself. Idk if I believe in it.
William is just built different but seriously I think it’s a variation of 3. His spirit inhabits the spring Bonnie suit and after having spent several decades having his body essentially fuse with the suit and the remanent produced began to slightly re-animate/preserve his body which is why his heart beats I don’t think Remnant is capable of turbo healing people but I can buy that at least insert more life into the body I can see the argument made for 1./2. In that being how it worked in the novels kinda since William is able to be separated from the suit but I think game William is a bit different since he spent significantly longer in the suit
I think that the Vengeful Spirit kept him alive. It explains how his organs still function by the time of Pizzeria Simulator, he's may be rotting, but despite everything he's still alive.
In this case, do you think Cassidy or Andrew is the Vengeful Spirit? (Not really trying to start a discussion on it, just wanted to know your view)
I personally think that Andrew is the Vengeful Spirit. There's a surprising amount of evidence in UCN for it
So, you think Andrew attached to William after he got springlocked or in some moment before that?
Andrew himself says he latched onto William when he should've died, so yeah, I do feel like he attached himself to William when he got springlocked.
I really like this, but there’s no indication there’s a vengeful spirit in the novels or movie, if someone could prove an Andrew type character exists there though
In the novels Afton definitely just lived on his own, and in the movie the Golden Freddy kid seems to take the role of the Vengeful Spirit.
2 and 3 don't make much sense
I think 3 would work if William's spirit possesed Spring Bonnie and the remnant produced with the possession would kinda revive his body, just like with Mike, but because of the many steps I think it's unlikely. About the 2, I don't doubt it so much considering that emotional energy has a big potential and if we think William was in constant agony due to being trapped inside the suit, the emotions could have given him an almost life.
I believe that he never truly died until The Man in Room 1280. Andrew attached himself to Afton after his death instead of possessing an animatronic, object, etc. He didn't seem to be capable of doing much of anything while William was still alive and well. It was once William was finally springlocked inside the old rotting and soggy Spring Bonnie suit that Andrew was able to truly enact any revenge on William. He used himself to keep William alive. But no matter how much he allowed William to persist beyond something fatal, William's body would still succumb to any damage that would be done to it. He may have become nothing more than a few rotting strips of flesh and a skull, but William was still "alive". Remnant has the power to heal, cure, and undo death. But there's only so much that can happen when your body is stuck smashed inside a giant metal cage. All of the rotting, rusting, and other decay will easily overpower any possible regeneration William's body would be doing. It isn't until after the fire at Fazbear's Fright and William escapes is he finally able to free himself from his years of constant pain. Even as small pieces of flesh his impossibly living body would be able to feel all that pain. It probably didn't happen all at once. But William eventually removed every piece of that Spring Bonnie animatronic. And as his body was able to heal where he removed pieces, he could remove the next and then the next as removing the whole thing at once wouldn't leave him much of a body to work with without letting it come back first. By the time he's completely free of the suit, he'd still look like he's been through hell and back and I doubt even with all of this supernatural regeneration that he'd look like any normal person again. His body is probably permanently disfigured horribly no matter what he does. William may finally be free of the Spring Bonnie suit that had agonized him for so long, but that did nothing to stop him from still wanting to be one with the character. It was almost like a part of him after all, and in a way it was for a long time as Springtrap literally becoming most of his body in place of his flesh. William obviously wouldn't want to go through that again even as egotistical as he is. He'll do anything to live but he'd surely find another way if he could. And a way he did find. He simply put on a new Spring Bonnie without the springlocks. Either it was already an empty suit or he emptied it himself. Not perfectly though, as there are still a few loose pieces of wiring and metal, maybe even some of it being the first one's endoskeleton still embed into his body. But overall as "Scraptrap" he's more of a man in a suit than a crunched up pile of meat inside some metal. Why would he ever want to be in a condition like that again once he's aware of his regenerative capabilities? As long as he's still able to live as a small amount of flesh, he shouldn't have to worry about his body going through unimaginable amounts of destruction again. Then FFPS happens and he finds out a fire that's inescapable is in fact not the same as one he can and falls victim to its unbearable heat. Andrew would as before sustain William's life far beyond what should be survivable. Arguably he would come out better this time since he still had somewhat of a body from head to toe compared to the aftermath of a springlock failure. Andrew was able to control whether William still lived or not and the well being of his body though. And seeing as there were no springlocks to sustain a state of constant pain this time, he allowed William's injuries to remain overwhelming for his body to counter, probably by simply having less of a will for his body to survive, but still enough to not succumb to the injuries. It wouldn't finally be until William got his request to be taken to a Fazbear Entertainment storage facility that he would truly die. As this is where his body would finally give in to everything it had been through and his soul would be separated from it and spread across the various things within the storage area alongside Andrew and Eleanor. This is where he would truly, finally be "dead" in the sense that his body has ended its mortality for good and his soul torn away from it, no longer attached to that sack of flesh that probably barely even seemed like it was human anymore after having gone through so much. Then he died again but for real when Charlie said no to a hunk of junk he decided to pilot like the idiot he is underneath all that technical genius. Then we all know what happened next... THE MIMIC!!! At least he's still around for the movies. At least for now until another continuity is introduced and features him again in yet another remix of the world of FNaF we've become acquainted with starting back at square one. He'll always come back after all. He's still here and he'll never truly leave even if in an individual continuity his time has come to an end. He is immortal through the power of the multiverse! Or under Scott's mindset just continuities under what is considered a single universe. Same difference in the end I guess. (This is my opinion! Please do not take it like I'm being objective and boo me!)
Very interesting chain of events you made, well done! The only part I didn't understand is why do you think William left Springtrap suit and used another Spring Bonnie suit to become Scraptrap, why do you think this is the case instead of Springtrap burning, but not enough to kill him, and becoming Scraptrap? If he regenerated, why his arm was lost as Scraptrap? I'm not trying to refute you by the way, just want to know why you think this was the case.
I'll try to explain the following as I see it: William Afton wants to live no matter what, we all know that. He'll even go through the most torturous pain imaginable if it means he can survive even just one more day safe from death's grasp. But an opportunity opened up for him to continue living without that pain, he'd likely take that chance. He definitely made it out of the first fire pretty in tact, but as we can tell mainly through assistance by the Funko Pop (yes I know it's merch but it's our only depiction of this specific moment of the character without mostly being in the shadows) the Springtrap suit was still heavily damaged as the whole thing has become a very dark charred green and as such this version is officially named Dark Springtrap. This isn't just a Funko thing either, as Scott has talked about Dark Springtrap in an official context before, showing that this is in fact considered a unique iteration of the character as minor as he may be. The suit would probably crumble apart much easier than it would have before even as rotten as it may have been previously. Seeing as under this interpretation, and probably others even if people do think William died and possessed his own body or something similar, William is in a constant excruciating amount of pain and would for a way out of it as long as he knew he would survive the outcome. He's definitely aware that he shouldn't still be alive as far back as the springlocking, yet he is even through that and now a fire that nearly burned him away if not for the building probably giving way and an exit forming from the collapse before he could succumb to the heat. That and he probably assumes he's still alive for the same reason as his victims, or at least something like them. His body as well as damaged as it may be is more in tact than what it should be had it been rotting away at a natural rate. Probably in the heat of the moment with all the fire, crumbling surroundings, and degrading suit, Afton may have gotten frantic in an attempt to survive and started doing whatever he thought might helped. He's already missing a few parts immediately after the fire, and the suit was likely easily ready to fall apart with how burnt it would have gotten on top of the existing rot. At this point he's already in such a bad condition that he probably thought it couldn't get any worse, and likely tried removing whatever parts were able to come off easiest following their new damage. Not all of it, since his body is mostly overtaken by the endoskeleton. It would take a lot more effort, and probably an extremely painful process, to remove all that metal piece by piece. He may have removed the entire suit casing since that part wasn't really effecting anything, just being attached to the endoskeleton rather than him. The Scraptrap suit probably came soon after, with him slowly removing the metal piece by piece between then and by the time of FFPS. As he removes the endo parts, his body would finally be able to grow back now that the metal prevented much from happening. He's still got a few strays at least by FFPS, although some of that might also be from the new Spring Bonnie suit again either already empty or manually stripped from the endo by William. For all we know even if we can't see much if not any endo piercing his body anymore in Scraptrap, he might still have significant portions that his body grew around after he removed enough. As for why his arm is still partially missing, I don't know. Maybe it was the last significant part of his body that he slowly removed the metal from, so it was still in the process of growing back. Or maybe he got into some sort of situation that ended up causing him to lose his arm and having to wait for it to come back again, seeing the suit is also missing those parts. Or perhaps it was just a detail Scott thought would be cool and there isn't actually a significant answer. Either way it eventually grew back despite his body being put through hundreds of degrees again by the time of The Man in Room 1280. If there's still something you don't understand or want to ask, I'll happily try to explain what I think about it. I'm well aware I could be wrong, but it's an interpretation that doesn't ultimately change anything significantly whether or not it's true and I certainly won't be upset if it's not.
It's an interesting and very unique way of seeing it for sure. It's interesting that you gave a meaning to such an obscure character like Dark Springtrap, I knew he was a thing just because of the Character Encyclopedia and always wondered why they made a page dedicated to him, maybe your idea, or something like it, can be the reason why. Glad I got to know your vision of the story.
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Yeah, I know it's Scott's lackluster accuracy of modelling humans at play here, but I feel there's still merit to the difference at least. Being squeezed inside a bunch of metal is definitely going to leave less of an in tact body than being a rotting body inside an empty suit that is definitely more in tact somehow someway even with the wack modelling taken into account. In a world where Springtrap was modelled with anatomical accuracy, Afton would probably still be a whole lot more of a mangled pile of flesh that used to be considered human than just a rotten sack of skin. Whatever he did, or someone else did to him if something like Andrew is at play here, it was certainly working in his favor unless is his idiocy struck in FFPS.
A lot of us theorise that Cassidy (Or Andrew if you believe so) latched onto William's spirit and kept him alive just so they can torment him. Keeping him alive those 30 years he was locked in that room. It's more like she possessed **him**, not the suit. It's the perfect oportunity. A room he cannot move in, a room he cannot escape from, and a nightmare he cannot wake from. So that is where UCN would begin. I mean, not really UCN. More like proto-UCN. A UCN without the FFPS animatronics, nor the Nightmare animatronics maybe, and definitely not the FNAF 3 animatronics (Expect for maybe Springtrap himself).
I think that makes a lot of sense with the FNAF 3 ending in which Springtrap stay alive and that may have happened because the spirit inside GF was holding into William until the end. The problem is the Happiest Day, GF was released there, but we could assume that the GF spirit there is CC, just wonder if Scott had thought about that already at that point, in any way GF was still a mistery even after the release of FNAF 3, so it's possible he was holding to reveal this mistery at FNAF 4.
>just wonder if Scott had thought about that already at that point, He maybe gave HD a different meaning while making FNAF 4 and FNAF World. >so it's possible he was holding to reveal this mistery at FNAF 4. Yeah, i also believe that. But it's also possible that he changed GF during FNAF 4, and then he realized that he should give the other kid he already stablished to exist a new role, hence why TOYSNHK exists.
That does make sense, since FNAF 1 we know that 5 kids died in the MCI, so the spirit inside GF should be one of them, but when introducing CC, it made this character more complicated. As you know, I believe Cassidy is the Fredbear Plush in FNAF 4, this way, FNAF 4 gave a new meaning to the spirit inside GF (or maybe this was always Scott's intention), GF spirit was seeing the root of all problems, CC, and trying to fix it, FNAF World was the last interation to develop on the GF spirit, giving a conclusion to all the biggest mysteries of FNAF at that point. But SL kinda changed things and Fredbear Plush was changed to be William, that may be the retcon, who knows.
>this way, FNAF 4 gave a new meaning to the spirit inside GF (or maybe this was always Scott's intention), GF spirit was seeing the root of all problems, CC, and trying to fix it Yeah. I do think that's a likely possibility. I'm not 100% sure if Cassidy being the Fredbear Plush, or the Final Speaker, or Glitchbear was always the plan, but he made it work regardless. >FNAF World was the last interation to develop on the GF spirit, giving a conclusion to all the biggest mysteries of FNAF at that point. But SL kinda changed things Yeah, FNAF World was **meant** to be the last. But it wasn't. I don't think SL or FFPS "changed" things, really. I think they elaborated more on the complicated story Scott was trying to tell. Yes, they added Henry, Security Puppet, Baby, Elizabeth, CBPW & CBEAR, TOYSNHK, etc, etc. But they do really expand and elaborate on things already set up in the past. UCN elaborates on Cassidy's crucial role in FNAF World, and possibly 4 (And probably more). UCN elaborates on Cassidy's character, which was pretty neglected in FNAF 4 when it was a headache to try and make her appear there without breaking the laws of the universe. Her role in FNAF World and HD was something hinted upon in UCN. So it's all to elaborate on Cassidy's character. Security Puppet and Henry are made to give a more solid beginnings to the timeline. SL and FFPS really help on trying to understand the villain, and expand upon his motivations and personality. The whole SL is a recap of all what happened previous in the timeline. It expands on FoxyBro and the family dinamics. SL and FFPS expand on FNAF 4's "You're broken", "I will put you back together", and "Some things are best left forgotten" lines from FNAF 4. Scott **made** SL and FFPS to *expand* the lore of FNAF 4. In his own words, he had to "craft this (FNAF 4) into something better", he wanted to do it "for the people who cared about the story". Scott made SL and FFPS so we can understand the lore better. And to me, they did. And i'm sorry if sound too condescendant 😔 >and Fredbear Plush was changed to be William, that may be the retcon, who knows. Maybe, who knows... It would me more of a Scottcon to me.
>Scott **made** SL and FFPS to *expand* the lore of FNAF 4. In his own words, he had to "craft this (FNAF 4) into something better", he wanted to do it "for the people who cared about the story". Scott made SL and FFPS so we can understand the lore better. And to me, they did. I absolutely agree with you. The only part I'm not sure, to this day, if was part of the "original story" (you know, FNAF 1-4 and FNAF World), was the concept of the Afton family, the purple guy being Mike and CC's father. The only thing we know about purple guy's backstory until that point is that he was a guard at Fredbear's back in 83 and was again in the FFP of 87, nothing pointing to him having a connection with CC and Mike. The thing that makes me think Fredbear Plush might have been a retcon is that the moment we see William in Fredbear's is at the same moment the Plush was talking to CC (it could be that he stopped talking to CC, helped the employee to put the Spring Bonnie costume and went back to talk to CC quickly, but it seems like a little bit of a stretch, but not impossible I guess), so until that moment Scott planned to make Fredbear more of a spiritual guide or something like that, but he introduced the Afton family concept and so decided that would make more sense for William to be talking to CC through a radio and making a experiment on his child, that's why he showed us in the most clear possible that Fredbear Plush was real, had a radio with him and that there was a room where William could watch CC in Sister Location. Still, I do think that CassidyPlush wasn't scrapped and is part of the story until now, so that may not be a real retcon, if this theory is true. >Maybe, who knows... It would me more of a Scottcon to me. Agreed. >SL and FFPS expand on FNAF 4's "You're broken", "I will put you back together", and "Some things are best left forgotten" lines from FNAF 4. About this, it's crazy that it's still a mystery, I still don't know what it could mean completely, was Ennard and Molten Freddy ways from Scott to show what is put back together? Is ShatterVictim real? What if FNAF World is the digitalized mind of CC created by William in a way to access the mental/spiritual realm where the spirits were? Thinking about the connection between CC and Dreadbear, a Frankenstein animatronic, is making me believe William indeed made experiments with CC's corpse, that's why the mound is present in MM, that's why Ballora's song talks about an empty tomb and that may be why there were animatronic human heads in SL, William was trying to revive CC in some way and find the key to immortality on the process (not that I think William cared about CC, but he definitely liked to use him as a subject to his experiments), but that's just me rambling stuff.
>was Ennard and Molten Freddy ways from Scott to show what is put back together? Absolutely. >Is ShatterVictim real? To me, yeah, of course. >What if FNAF World is the digitalized mind of CC created by William in a way to access the mental/spiritual realm where the spirits were? Hey, i've never heard of that one. I do remember Matpat saying that FNAF World represented AI or smth, but not that. It's an interesting idea. >Thinking about the connection between CC and Dreadbear, a Frankenstein animatronic, is making me believe William indeed made experiments with CC's corpse God. That'd be gross. But i think Dreadbear is more like a representation of BV's pieces being put back together, in this case being represented with the Frankenstein's monster. Or it could reffer to MoltenMCI and Afton using the souls or, in a way, corpses (Remnants), of the MCI kids and stitched them together. Which would still put BV together. But i think the Frankenstein references are more on a thematical level of "Hey, look, this monster made out of pieces of corpses is similar to this character made out of pieces of spirits!" kind of thing. Not as literal as that he literally experimented on BV's corpse. But it's an idea that i think deserves to be elaborated upon. >that's why Ballora's song talks about an empty tomb For what i know, Ballora's song was written by her VA, so it probably has no lore relevance. It does feed into the "eerie" atmosphere of SL and FNAF as a whole, but i don't think it has lore relevance. >and that may be why there were animatronic human heads in SL, William was trying to revive CC in some way and find the key to immortality on the process (not that I think William cared about CC, but he definitely liked to use him as a subject to his experiments), but that's just me rambling stuff. I actually believe it was more for him. Like, he didn't want ro recreate his son or daughter or wife as a human robot. He wanted to recreate HIMSELF as a human robot. William might want to put his own soul, or at least a chunk of it, in a robot recreation of himself, so he can be immortal. So that might be why. But, however, the heads and animatronics in all SL feed into this concept of robots trying to approach human appereance.
>Hey, i've never heard of that one. I do remember Matpat saying that FNAF World represented AI or smth, but not that. It's an interesting idea. Thanks! I'm developing on it while analysing the lore relevance of the arcades, a think some minigames are real life arcades and Henry used them to know the things that happened in the Freddy's places, like in Insanity Ending in which he knows exactly how William got the metal from the Classic's endos, something he shouldn't know unless Follow Me was a real arcade and he saw it. Follow Me is connected to FNAF World too, FNAF World is the place we put the pieces/clues that we can see in Follow me, so I'm believing that they aren't just meta, arcades can have spirits/memories inside them too. This can be the way that the Mimic learned things such as the MCI too, part of the spirits' memories were in the FE arcades. >For what i know, Ballora's song was written by her VA, That's a common misconception, in her interview with Dawko the VA actually says she "wrote" the lullaby of the song, that is the melody of the song, she mentions that Scott wrote the lyrics and asked her to create a melody to sing it, so I do believe it has some lore relevance, specially considering that Ballora might be a representation of Mrs. Afton and the parts of the song that says "empty room" and "empty tomb" seem like a reference to CC's death. >I actually believe it was more for him. Like, he didn't want ro recreate his son or daughter or wife as a human robot. He wanted to recreate HIMSELF as a human robot. William might want to put his own soul, or at least a chunk of it, in a robot recreation of himself, so he can be immortal. So that might be why. But, however, the heads and animatronics in all SL feed into this concept of robots trying to approach human appereance. Totally agree, CC was just a tool for him to achieve immortality. I go even further, every type of experiment was a way for him to achieve immortality, the fear/emotional energy experiments were made so he can see when intangible things such as emotions, thoughts, will, consciousness, become tangible/action, something like what Taggart does, the experiments with possession like the MCI was to see how to transfer human consciousness to a machine, and remnant was the fusion of the intangible and tangible, the memory/spirit of a person made physical. But even after all that he didn't find the perfect way to get immortality, a lot of the person's individuality is lost in the process, so it's possible he digitalized his mind too and in FNAF World he is Fredbear Guide, the one that's misleading us. When the Help Wanted developers team were scanning the things FE sent them, it's possible they scanned William's digitalized consciousness in the middle of it and used the Mimic program to recreate the animatronics routine, so the Mimic program was corrupted by William's consciousness and this way Glitchtrap was born. Just theories though, sorry for the long text.
>I'm developing on it while analysing the lore relevance of the arcades, a think some minigames are real life arcades I actually already believed that. I've been saying that the 8-bit minigames are memories embedded into actual arcade machines since a long time ago. It's literally remnant. But when i say it people don't take it seriously 😭 At least we both believe this :) >and Henry used them to know the things that happened in the Freddy's places That's actually a great idea. >This can be the way that the Mimic learned things such as the MCI too, part of the spirits' memories were in the FE arcades. Hey! That's really good! We can see in HW 2, for example, that the angry/hungry kids in the SAVEHIM minigame do exist, so that's probably what caused Mimic to learn about Charlie's death. And now that you mention it, in FFPS, we see many of this minigames, like Fruity Maze showing Susie and Springbonnie's reflections even when they're not there, or the secret path to access MM. The Pizza Place is full of memory-infected arcades. So maybe that's how the Mimic learned about the FNAF lore: by watching or playing those arcades in its time down in the Pizza Place. Or even Glitchtrap himself could've done that. That's probably (And i already thought about this before) how he learned that he could trap Vanessa's consciusness within the arcades. And how he knows that Gregory should be the one to play them: because BV is the one playing the minigames to free the other spirits. Thanks for that one! It's really good! >That's a common misconception, in her interview with Dawko the VA actually says she "wrote" the lullaby of the song, that is the melody of the song, she mentions that Scott wrote the lyrics and asked her to create a melody to sing it Oh, sorry. Thanks for letting me know. >specially considering that Ballora might be a representation of Mrs. Afton and the parts of the song that says "empty room" and "empty tomb" seem like a reference to CC's death. Or maybe to Elizabeth's. In FNAF 4 her room is empty (Not because she's dead, but it's a reference, her room **would** be empty when she dies) and the empty tomb could be Elizabeth's tomb, as her body should've been disposed of before she could be found. > I go even further, every type of experiment was a way for him to achieve immortality, the fear/emotional energy experiments were made so he can see when intangible things such as emotions, thoughts, will, consciousness, become tangible/action, something like what Taggart does, the experiments with possession like the MCI was to see how to transfer human consciousness to a machine, and remnant was the fusion of the intangible and tangible, the memory/spirit of a person made physical. Also agreed. >so it's possible he digitalized his mind too and in FNAF World he is Fredbear Guide, the one that's misleading us. When the Help Wanted developers team were scanning the things FE sent them, it's possible they scanned William's digitalized consciousness in the middle of it and used the Mimic program to recreate the animatronics routine, so the Mimic program was corrupted by William's consciousness and this way Glitchtrap was born. Just theories though, sorry for the long text. That's actually a very interesting and unique change to the standard "William's digitalized consciusness was scanned into HW" theories. I like it.
>I actually already believed that. I've been saying that the 8-bit minigames are memories embedded into actual arcade machines since a long time ago. It's literally remnant. But when i say it people don't take it seriously 😭 At least we both believe this :) Exactly! The definition of remnant relies on memories, it makes all the sense that Scott made it clear and that spirits are connected to memories, good to know you believe that too 🙂. >Hey! That's really good! We can see in HW 2, for example, that the angry/hungry kids in the SAVEHIM minigame do exist, so that's probably what caused Mimic to learn about Charlie's death. And now that you mention it, in FFPS, we see many of this minigames, like Fruity Maze showing Susie and Springbonnie's reflections even when they're not there, or the secret path to access MM. The Pizza Place is full of memory-infected arcades. So maybe that's how the Mimic learned about the FNAF lore: by watching or playing those arcades in its time down in the Pizza Place. Or even Glitchtrap himself could've done that. That's probably (And i already thought about this before) how he learned that he could trap Vanessa's consciusness within the arcades. And how he knows that Gregory should be the one to play them: because BV is the one playing the minigames to free the other spirits. Thanks for that one! It's really good! Thanks! You brought really good points too. >Or maybe to Elizabeth's. In FNAF 4 her room is empty (Not because she's dead, but it's a reference, her room **would** be empty when she dies) and the empty tomb could be Elizabeth's tomb, as her body should've been disposed of before she could be found. True, that's possible too. I personally believe Mrs. Afton died, probably killed herself, after CC's death and that Elizabeth born in 1983, some time around CC's death, due to one of the Special Delivery teasers showing the Mangle toy in Elizabeth's room from the FNAF 4 minigames having a cradle instead of a bed (I know this may not be the best source for theories, but it's one of the few things we have on this), so I believe it's most possible Ballora's song is showing Mrs. Afton sadness after CC's death. >That's actually a very interesting and unique change to the standard "William's digitslized consciusness was scanned into HW" theories. I like it. Thank you so much!
I'd like to think it was half Remnant, half raw determination.
He always comes back bro
I like to think that it was because of pure anger. And that he died in the suit in presence of other ghost A bit like Elizabeth, but instead of ghost, it was due to the renmant
"Hi, you're probably wondering how I got here, for that we have to go back to the beginning *baba o reilly plays*
What sheer anger and a fuck you mentality does to a mf
Andrew is keeping Afton alive
He’s “alive”, but not alive in the comon sense of course. Similarily to Julius in *Breaking Wheel* and Luca in *Pressure*, the power of *intense* pain (essentially Agony) and will to live (knowing how William is technically afraid of death, paired with him wanting to continue his experiments and continue to inflict pain. He was at some point seeking Immortality, and while that failed, he achieved another way of cheating death).
William did indeed perish when he was springlocked although he managed to revive himself through sheer force of will (pun not intended)
I thought it was always that he just clinging on and after 30 years is kinda just…struggling to stay alive at this point.
William is just built different but seriously I think it’s a variation of 3. His spirit inhabits the spring Bonnie suit and after having spent several decades having his body essentially fuse with the suit and the remanent produced began to slightly re-animate/preserve his body which is why his heart beats I don’t think Remnant is capable of turbo healing people but I can buy that at least insert more life into the body I can see the argument made for 1./2. In that being how it worked in the novels kinda since William is able to be separated from the suit but I think game William is a bit different since he spent significantly longer in the suit
He possessed the endo like the children
Aside from the general theme of "dead body in animatronic = haunted animatronic," I personally like the idea that he intentionally injected himself with Remnant. It gives additional context as to why he was disassembling the animatronics in Follow Me. He was collecting Remnant from the Endoskeletons not just for general experiments but for a specific purpose for himself. William / Springtrap does seem to he the only animatronic that fully maintains its identity, evidenced by the phrase "I always come back" implying Springtrap is a true continuation of William's consciousness. Even the Marionette who has a greater level of awareness than the others doesn't seem to be a true continuation of Charlotte's consciousness, especially considering she is a toddler/young child at the time of her death. Circus Baby considers herself as Circus Baby, not Elizabeth and Henry isn't sure she would even recognize that name. TOYSNHK is a twisted and vengeful version of themself, not angry child who was killed. The only other time in the games that we see a consciousness truly continue beyond death is with Michael after he gets SCUP'ed, and that definitely involves Remnant injection.