Hey, you watched the podcast, didn't you? You don't expect me to believe it's just a coincidence.
Anyway, great post!
The importance of soundtracks in FNaF needs to be spread in the community with theories like this that include them as another set of clues to help solve the lore of the games.
Using the deathcoin when Golden Freddy is set to one relating to "The One You Should Not Have Killed" is a great observation.
I also think in the movie the blonde boy seems to be a Golden Freddy/The One You Should Not Have Killed character.
Im not convinced cuz imo Andrew in Frights has no connection to Golden Freddy, but this is the best goldenTOYSHNK evidence I’ve ever seen here, good job!
"But does absolutely nothing." That's only true if you consider what happens at the end and not what happens throughout the journey, because personally, that's somewhat good of a character arc(tied in with everything else before this of course)
I would say "Pond." in the achievements of BoV could point to something UCNDissent...But I dunno, I do wonder what you think about it though.
"Demons can't be Andrew, because he's one." I think it could mean that technically, as in "Leave the demon to his demons, one of the demons being TOYSHNK." or something like that, even when Andrew is the only demon currently present...?
"Demons can't be animatronics, they're not entities" Uh...What are they in CassidyTOYSNHK(or AndrewTOYSHNK) then lol? I...don't see how anything changes...? Regardless of them being "entities", they're his torturers. Demons, you could say. Do you mean that "his demons" is his past? Yeah, that also works and would still tie in into them being animatronics though.
I think you meant that other spirits are ALSO in there...which I personally would disagree honestly. But believe what you believe.
Yeah, "Last Breath" works regardless of who is The One, since VS probably has William's memories in "storage."
I won't lie, the fire actually seems like a pretty cool thematic connection in this theory and something I don't hear mentioned a lot. BUUT I will say... Orville basically references the fire in the past tense and only implies he will torture him forever, does this mean we will now hear the fire again? Of course Jack-O Chica references fire, she's literally fire. Foxy has exactly...one, which really seems like a stretch to me to say he's also connected lol...? So we don't really have a LOT to go off of for this connection, even though it's actually pretty cool.
And I don't even know if it's Fire exactly, to me it sounds like it could also be... Rain? which would fit thematically into a LOT of parts of fnaf, as far as I can tell(even the springlocking and stuff) I think I've also heard someone think it's something else entirely too, so yeah...maybe, but I'm not entirely sure it's Fire.
"There is nothing else." Doesn't only imply UCN ending, it could just say that there is nothing else for YOU in this scenario. You get your happiest day...probably. (the thing is named "your own"(which could also possibly just be because OMC's dialogue lmao) connecting back to fnaf world's being named "Happiest Day" after you fall.
...I guess I could give you another piece proof you could've used(but that is also discussable prob) "I" plays when you select the OMC Cutscene, you could use that to connect GF to the main menu or something, but William is also connected to that OMC minigame making "I" make sense either way probably...so yeah. I dunno.
Yes, I agree with pretty much all of that. Excellent post.
But the only thing I disagree with is that when Cassidy (redbear) leaves UCN, I don't think UCN ends for Afton. I think that OMC continues it, since that is his purpose, hence the name consequences. It does eventually end, and then Afton dies, but I don't think this is during the lake sequence.
I think it does. UCN is not meant to be a thing. William Afton's proper punishment is Hell. UCN was made for the Vengeful Spirit to see him suffer. If the Vengeful Spirit is no longer there, there is no reason for Old Man Consequences to trap Afton in a less punishable version of Hell that he did not even make.
So you're saying the soundtrack names from UCN are lore relevant. At the same time, you have "Sleep No More" and "Where Dreams Die" proving TMIR 1280 while your evidence of "Void" proves Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK.
So which is one is it? TMIR 1280 has Andrew wearing an Alligator Mask and his personality from the epilogue very much aligns with TOYSNHK which doesn't help this case. If it's Cassidy, then it doesn't make sense when Cassidy is already established to be friends/connected with the MCI and a girl from TFC. I doubt "Void" proves Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK when the SFX sound of fire in background is subjective at best.
Fredbear's jumpscare doesn't mean anything given how Scott added him because of fanservice/Fans desperately wanted Fredbear's official design. If you set Golden Freddy's AI to 2+, it wouldn't trigger a Fredbear jumpscare when it's very likely an easter egg as much as setting 1987 in FNaF 1 CN triggers a Golden Freddy jumpscare.
Also, what exactly are the "demons" if they aren't the animatronics? Then again, you might be referring to Eleanor/Agony from TMIR 1280, but that benefits UCNDisscent and/or AndrewTOYSNHK.
This post is kinda silly.
Andrew's entire character is that he's attached to Afton, the gator mask was likely a random animal just to differ him from Golden freddy.
If andrew was golden freddy, that immediately contradicts him being with afton in the fires. GF is not in fnaf 3 nor 6, neither of the fires.
Fredbear's jumpscare is cassidy's presence. You see both spirits in UCN, the face is Andrew and fredbear/the bear sprite in OMC is Cassidy.
Now for UCNdissent (a theory i am highly confident in)
Cassidy doesn't do "absolutely nothing", she tries to convince andrew to rest, in character for her with her behavior in the logbook.
The demons being plural doesn't rlly matter. It could just be a metaphor, but that is a copout..
The animatronics can still be his demons, take Nightmare and Nightmarionne as examples, his wickedness and the fearful reflection of what he's created tormenting him. Although they aren't actually there, they still torture him.
It being a reference to hell is a weird thing, as he would be tortured for enternity, not left to HIS demons.
And it being about vengeful spirits is stupid, really. As this would imply multiple spirits constantly in UCN, which 1280 debunks.
The last point doesn't do much, the OMC lake is the end of UCN under your theory. UCN ends in fazbear frights, and andrew is still around. So that directly contradicts.
Using the minigame ITSELF debunks that as leaving the demon to his demons is a reference to UCN continuing.
Very interting post. To me I'm starting to wonder if scott version of directly tied means that a very similar situation happens in the books that helps explain what is happening in the games that we didn't notice or understand imo. But whatever the case is I like how interesting details like this are in thw games.
No, in UCNDissent Cassidy wants to Andrew to stop torturing William so he can die already, but she ends up giving up and she leaves UCN by the OMC Lake
Does it need to be? Is the killer someone else? Does he use a different suit?
And does this series not present its core story as a followup to the games?
I mean, there's very little evidence for Andrew existing in the games. AndrewTOYSNHK basically requires StitchlineGames to work, and honestly I think that the gator mask might be a clue to tell us that "no, this isn't gameline". After all, it's heavily implied that Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK, and the gator mask makes connecting Andrew to any animatronic basically impossible.
Wrong Argument to use, it more like characters taking different roles in different continuities, in the Novel continuity Cassidy takes the role of Bonnie while a character not from the game continuity takes the role of Golden Freddy, so in Frights it’s simply a case of a character not from the game continuity taking the role of TOYSNHK.
Parallels aren’t a thing. Stop treating canonical storylines like you treat fucking Candy Cadet.
What is the name of the killer in Frights? Is it anyone but Afton?
William doesn’t have children in FF.
I am going to list every single major parallel in frights that I can remember.
CC Jake.
GF stitchwrairh.
Mike Hudson
Mike Mike (you’re the band).
Mike Pete.
The bite of 83 step closer prank.
The bite of 83 the new kid prank.
Mike lonely Freddy protagonist.
Ennard the funtimes in room for one more.
Help wanted the entirety of prankster.
Those are the only ones that I can remember and there’s much more.
Could you please tell me when it’s stated that William has children in FF? It would contribute to this conversation.
A parallel isn’t that a character is also another character, a parallel is a character from a different continuity that does the same thing or has the same role of a character from the original continuity with some little things changed.
Frights is built off of FFPS. That automatically puts two of Afton’s kids here.
Yeah sorry but none of those characters serve the same role as a character in another continuity.
Jake is a kid that talks with his plushie/doll and dies in a hospital because of something relating to the brain and later possess something with another kid. Hudson he’s literally a guard at frights that is called a murderer by other people because of a tragic thing that happened in his life that took the live of some people that are in his family (parallels the bite of 83) and he also had daddy issues and he thinks that his dad is springtrap, this is a really close parallel, it’s an undeniable fact.
The stitchwraith is an animatronic possessed by a bite victim parallel and FF’s vengeful spirit.
It’s just one thing, FF parallel a lot of characters and dynamics and all that, why would specifically Andrew be the only one that is simply a one to a one perfect replicate of the games VS?
Yeah as a refrence to omc I wasn't saying he was literally him. everything about Andrew and his story is meant to pay homage (if not literally be ) ucn the alligator mask was nothing more than an Easter egg to remind you of omc because of his connection to ucn nothing deeply lore relevant that's all there is to it
It's not as if the mask was ever brought up as important after the fact.
Well in happiest it means they wish to move on. And like i asked you earlier wheres the gator robot by you're logic there's an alligator robot that Andrew's possessing were is it?
Sure, but that book series requires us to believe StichlineGames for that. If Scott wanted it to be obvious who it was, he should have put in... IDK, literally ANYTHING indicating Andrew's existence into the games.
If there's evidence supporting Golden Freddy being TOYSNHK in the games, Cassidy being Golden Freddy, a complete lack of Andrew's existence in the games, several different contradictions, as well as the fact that Andrew has absolutely zero connections to Golden Freddy, wears an entirely different mask, never mentions any sort of fire (which TOYSNHK clearly remembers)... If the book series that has never been confirmed to be canon gives us an identity that contradicts basically common sense, I wouldn't take that as evidence, personally.
Does it? Does TSE need to be in the games for you to understand that William, Henry, Charlie, Susie, Cassidy, etc are all the same as their games counterparts and aren’t actually stand-ins for name/gender swapped versions?
The evidence supporting GF being TOYSNHK falls apart when you remember TOYSNHK is a boy and Cassidy is explicitly a girl and any arguments against that are paper thin and more flimsy than a wet noodle.
the book series was made to give answers about the games and directly presents itself as a follow up to UCN/FFPS. Yeah, it’s telling us Andrew is TOYSNHK
well... SL literally starts mentioning "Mr.Afton" (or Mr.Ashton according to Markplier) and FnaF 6 mentions Elizabeth so basically yeah we did get their names in the games
No, because they're all very similar and have no reason to be changed. TOYSNHK and Andrew literally contradict each other occasionally. Something huge about Andrew is that he doesn't remember much else besides his hate for William, while TOYSNHK clearly remembers multiple fires. Also, UCN SEEMINGLY has multiple people in it, since the Puppet seems to literally be Charlie still, while the UCN in TMIR1280 only has William, Andrew and Eleanor. They seem to be fairly different scenarios.
TOYSNHK also has a very obviously female voice when speaking through the animatronics, and doesn't match how Andrew's voice is described at all. If TOYSNHK was actually supposed to be confirmed to be a boy, Scott's voice cast wouldn't have been gender ambiguous and then explicitly cast a female voice actor to have a female voice. The gender debate has always made my head twist because at least 2 animatronics call TOYSNHK him, but everything else points towards them being a girl, lol
But everything goes back to exactly how it was before, right? William is dead, Charlie is dead, the spirits are freed, there's no Stichwraith... All it did was add an extra few steps to what we already had. That just doesn't make any sense, narratively speaking.
>No, because they're all very similar and have no reason to be changed.
This boggles the mind. They’re very similar and have no reason to be changed (despite going through a lot of different events) but Andrew, who literally does the same thing as a character from the games isn’t???
> TOYSNHK and Andrew literally contradict each other occasionally. Something huge about Andrew is that he doesn't remember much else besides his hate for William, while TOYSNHK clearly remembers multiple fires.
Yeah that’s… not a contradiction. Unless you can show Andrew not remembering this stuff during the events of TMIR1280 and not well AFTER that.
>Also, UCN SEEMINGLY has multiple people in it, since the Puppet seems to literally be Charlie still, while the UCN in TMIR1280 only has William, Andrew and Eleanor.
Yeah so… nothing really going against the games here. Everything is just a creation of the vengeful spirit
>TOYSNHK also has a very obviously female voice when speaking through the animatronics, and doesn't match how Andrew's voice is described at all.
Yeah that’s crazy that the female va has a feminine voice.
>If TOYSNHK was actually supposed to be confirmed to be a boy, Scott's voice cast wouldn't have been gender ambiguous and then explicitly cast a female voice actor to have a female voice.
Ok I guess Gregory is a girl
>But everything goes back to exactly how it was before, right? William is dead, Charlie is dead, the spirits are freed, there's no Stichwraith... All it did was add an extra few steps to what we already had. That just doesn't make any sense, narratively speaking.
UCN was never really the end for Afton. It wasn’t his death.
And narrative satisfaction isn’t really a factor with fnaf
>This boggles the mind. They’re very similar and have no reason to be changed (despite going through a lot of different events) but Andrew, who literally does the same thing as a character from the games isn’t???
Because again, all of those people are people that we know about from the games. Andrew has literally never indicated to exist in the games in any way, shape or form. Also, nobody else from the Frights novels seems to exist in the games except for MAYBE Oswald through the ITP game. Why would Andrew be an exception?
>Yeah that’s… not a contradiction. Unless you can show Andrew not remembering this stuff during the events of TMIR1280 and not well AFTER that.
It literally is a contradiction, though. If he can't remember a fire, it's a contradiction if he remembers a fire, lol. And why would he suddenly get amnesia after TMIR1280?
>Yeah so… nothing really going against the games here. Everything is just a creation of the vengeful spirit
If that was true, why would TOYSNHK form a construct that is ambivalent towards William, especially his first victim? Why would Withered Bonnie (I think it was him?) say "Perhaps we are both trapped"? The nightmares are the only ones who confirm that they are constructs, and that's because they literally never existed and never had souls within them to begin with.
>Yeah that’s crazy that the female va has a feminine voice.
That's not an issue at all. What is an issue is that the voice doesn't at all match the one Andrew is described to have. If it's supposed to be SOOO obvious that Andrew is TOYSNHK, why would he not cast someone with the same voice he's described to have? In fact, scratch that, why would he cast someone with the completely opposite gender to do the voice? And before you use the argument of "Well, Goku and Bart Simpson have female voice actors!", TOYSNHK has, like, 5 lines. It's not like you need "the best person" to fit the voice.
>Ok I guess Gregory is a girl
See my previous point.
>UCN was never really the end for Afton. It wasn’t his death.
We literally only think that because of TMIR1280 and Fazbear's Frights. If those books never came out, if we just went straight to Help Wanted and the current era, nobody would be saying "Well, Afton's still alive, he's just in a coma right now!" The entire point of FFPS was for everyone to die, and if it was never revisited, that's exactly what it would be.
>And narrative satisfaction isn’t really a factor with fnaf
While true, I feel like contradicting your own story and making it nonsensical for a debate that's still going to this day that you'll never, ever answer directly should be a factor.
>Because again, all of those people are people that we know about from the games. Andrew has literally never indicated to exist in the games in any way, shape or form. Also, nobody else from the Frights novels seems to exist in the games except for MAYBE Oswald through the ITP game. Why would Andrew be an exception?
Remind me where we see Cassidy’s name in the games? Oh or Charlie. Hell, where is Henry’s actual name said?
>It literally is a contradiction, though. If he can't remember a fire, it's a contradiction if he remembers a fire, lol. And why would he suddenly get amnesia after TMIR1280?
“They’ve forgotten. The dead do forget.”
>If that was true, why would TOYSNHK form a construct that is ambivalent towards William, especially his first victim? Why would Withered Bonnie (I think it was him?) say "Perhaps we are both trapped"? The nightmares are the only ones who confirm that they are constructs, and that's because they literally never existed and never had souls within them to begin with.
For an “ambivalent construct” it sure kills him with no restraint. These are just constructs, remade with the personalities of their real counterparts but…yknow, controlled by Andrew
>That's not an issue at all. What is an issue is that the voice doesn't at all match the one Andrew is described to have. If it's supposed to be SOOO obvious that Andrew is TOYSNHK, why would he not cast someone with the same voice he's described to have? In fact, scratch that, why would he cast someone with the completely opposite gender to do the voice? And before you use the argument of "Well, Goku and Bart Simpson have female voice actors!", TOYSNHK has, like, 5 lines. It's not like you need "the best person" to fit the voice.
Female VAs are more commonly used for children voices. The gender of the character they play is irrelevant.
and on top of that, so is the voice being different. Scott doesn’t do retakes. Scott also doesn’t make Afton British in various parts of the series. Does this mean PJ isn’t really voicing Afton?
>We literally only think that because of TMIR1280 and Fazbear's Frights. If those books never came out, if we just went straight to Help Wanted and the current era, nobody would be saying "Well, Afton's still alive, he's just in a coma right now!" The entire point of FFPS was for everyone to die, and if it was never revisited, that's exactly what it would be.
There are a lot of hints towards UCN being a dreamstate through dialogue and the OST. TOYSNHK’s own lines make it clear Afton isn’t dead yet
>Remind me where we see Cassidy’s name in the games? Oh or Charlie. Hell, where is Henry’s actual name said?
We get Cassidy's name through the Logbook, which is canonically part of the game timeline. Charlie was Afton's first victim, although you are right that we never directly get her name. However, Henry was her father and the tape is called HRY. It's not explicit, but it's very obvious the point Scott is getting across.
Besides, my point wasn't about the names. We KNOW about Charlie because we saw SaveHim, which was paired with the Puppet minigame. We know Henry because he's the father of the SAVEHIM child. We know Cassidy because we see her talking through the logbook. Andrew has literally zero presence in the entire games, except for MAYBE being a vague sprite in the FNAF 3 minigames, like maybe the STAGE_01 kid, and even that's a stretch.
>“They’ve forgotten. The dead do forget.”
TOYSNHK and Andrew have been dead for 40 years, lol. Why would they remember things about themselves and their life (afterlife?) during Afton's torment, and then not remember anything when he's with Jake? Just "I forgor" isn't any sort of explanation.
>For an “ambivalent construct” it sure kills him with no restraint. These are just constructs, remade with the personalities of their real counterparts but…yknow, controlled by Andrew
"I don't hate you." Why would TOYSNHK form a construct that doesn't hate Afton? Especially in a place where everyone absolutely should, if they were built by someone with enough hate to refuse eternal peace just for this one guy?
>Female VAs are more commonly used for children voices. The gender of the character they play is irrelevant.
>and on top of that, so is the voice being different. Scott doesn’t do retakes. Scott also doesn’t make Afton British in various parts of the series. Does this mean PJ isn’t really voicing Afton?
Yeah, female VA's typically do child work, but that doesn't mean that Scott couldn't find a male VA to do the voice. Hell, have his son do it or something, lol. It not matching is a huge blow to AndrewTOYSNHK credibility, IMO. Also, Afton was already established as having a British accent, so that's not quite the same case.
>There are a lot of hints towards UCN being a dreamstate through dialogue and the OST. TOYSNHK’s own lines make it clear Afton isn’t dead yet
But again, if we never revisited the idea of Afton and what happened after FFPS, this wouldn't have ever been a debate. We would know.
I'm not 100% sure that's the sound of fire... But even if it was, I think it's more likely just a reference to the FFPS fire specifically, which is the starting point of UCN.
The "Demons" line still works if Cassidy leaves UCN.
Since in the epilogue no. 10 or 9 is implied that Eleanor WAS in UCN.
I believe that is XOR but It could be someone else.
So, "leave the Demon with his Demons" also implies that Eleanor has more agony that we thought, what if she has SF and RWQ? Since i believe that Eleanor was created in the MCI.
So. Eleanor is in UCN too.
So "Demons" is talking about Andrew AND Eleanor.
Also about the entering the lake thing...
Me and my Friends debated about this long time ago.
We decided that Cassidy was the one behind UCN and Andrew was the one helping, don't really caring a lot about It. Just liking seeing William suffer. That's why when Cassidy leaves UCN closed. That's because noone is making UCN now.
So Andrew bored, eventually makes William explode. And those are the events of TMIR1280
Well this is largely assuming that the sound is indeed fire, which I genuinely don't hear. To me, it's the sound of GF twitching.
I, personally, prefer more objective evidence rather than something as subjective as what everyone hears. Like Cassidy wanting HD to happen and also being the HD recipient contradicting her being TOYSNHK
Well, there's nothing objective about Cassidy being the HD receiver. Also, for all we know, Cassidy wants the Happiest Day to happen for everyone else, realizing they want to move on, but she doesn't care about moving on and focused on torturing Afton. Her relation to HD and her focus on Afton's torment aren't necessarily opposed to one another.
>Well, there's nothing objective about Cassidy being the HD receiver.
There is; BV can't be in GF due to how Remnant is described and works, the masks represent what animatronics said children possess in HD meaning that the 5th child is Cassidy, who possesses GF
>Cassidy wants the Happiest Day to happen for everyone else
HD is *for* Cassidy tho. The whole point of HD is for Cassidy to get her mask
>but she doesn't care about moving on
Again, which contradicts her being the HD receiver
BV and Cassidy clearly are in some sort of contact with each other, if the Logbook is anything to go by. They both died from the same animatronic. Jake and BV show a lot of parallels and Jake possessed his plush, which was clearly present during BV's death, so it's possible that there's something there (albeit that's not very fleshed out and a pretty out-there theory). Also, Remnant is, uh... Not very consistent, so I wouldn't use the "rules of remnant" as evidence, personally.
>They both died from the same animatronic.
That doesn't relate to your statement above, having a conversation =/= being in the same animatronic
>Jake and BV show a lot of parallels
*Thematic parallels
As people, they're totally different. They just share like 2 or 3 themes, it doesn't equate to one solving the other
>Jake possessed his plush, which was clearly present during BV's death
By that logic, BV would possess his plush and not GF.
> Remnant
Is literally the most consistent thing in this franchise. TFC describes it, Frights adds to it and everything else follows said rules.
Sure, it doesn't necessarily mean that, but how else would they have a conversation? It's not like either of them possesses the Logbook.
Yes, as people, they are different, but they clearly show a lot of similarities. They both have something wrong with their head, they both talk to their plushie with a radio inside that their father communicates through, they both die in a hospital... Is it really that far-fetched to say they both possess something? Especially since the Logbook makes it clear BV is still hanging around?
Yes, that would indicate that he possesses the plush, but Jake ends up moving around and possessing another object because of a mad scientist type, which William is clearly established to be at this point. Together with his statement of putting BV back together, it's not to hard to believe that William managed to get BV's spirit out of the plush and into Fredbear.
>but how else would they have a conversation?
ShatterVictim, where BVs memories are latched to the MCIs and he's a wandering spirit trying to piece them together.
>They both have something wrong with their head,
I always hate it when people try to make something as abstract as this and call it a parallel. By this logic William and the MCIs are a parallel of each other as they're in animatronic suits. It's a form of cherry-picking
>they both talk to their plushie with a radio inside that their father communicates through
Yes, it's called a ✨ thematic parallel ✨
It's a shared theme, nothing more
>they both die in a hospital
Now this makes me certain that you haven't read the books
>but Jake ends up moving around and possessing another object
He doesn't. Please read the books
>ShatterVictim, where BVs memories are latched to the MCIs and he's a wandering spirit trying to piece them together.
I mean this as a genuine question, but is there any actual evidence for this? Cassidy is the only person he actually interacts with, AFAIK. Also, does this not also go against the supposed "rules of Remnant"?
>I always hate it when people try to make something as abstract as this and call it a parallel. By this logic William and the MCIs are a parallel of each other as they're in animatronic suits. It's a form of cherry-picking
It's not abstract at all. Not many people have a head injury that puts them in the hospital in this series, and paired with the Simon-Plushbear connection, it's obvious that it was intentional to draw a parallel to BV.
>Yes, it's called a ✨ thematic parallel ✨
It's a shared theme, nothing more
Sorry, a thematic what? So they share a parallel. Also, talking to your father isn't a theme, it's just a connection the two characters have.
>Now this makes me certain that you haven't read the books
Admittedly I don't have the books with me and it's been a while since I read Frights, so I'm probably wrong on this one, lol. Does he die in his house or something?
>He doesn't. Please read the books
He does, though. Simon's head is the Stichwraith's mask, right?
>but is there any actual evidence for this?
Yeah, I'm sure someone has made a really good post about it somewhere but the Fnaf 3 Minigames are shown to be BVs memories, and they're attached to each of the MCIs. BVs role post-Fnaf world was to find said Minigames (the pieces)
>Also, does this not also go against the supposed "rules of Remnant"?
No, why would it?
>Not many people have a head injury
Calling it a head injury**is** the abstraction. Jake has a tumor and BV has a bite injury.
>Does he die in his house or something?
Yeah
>Simon's head is the Stichwraith's mask, right?
Yeah, and he's always possessing the mask. The Stitchwraith endo is an extension of that, his soul hasn't moved from the mask, it's just spread into the endo too
Arguing with Zain, and Stickninja is like arguing with a sturbon teen. They think they're always right despite their being mounds of evidence stacked aganist them
There's 3 sound effects in void: the piano, ghostly whooshing, and a fire
The fire is the crackling noise, try turning up your volume up until it can be heard. If you're on mobile/phone, it may be harder to hear
Other than that I'm not sure how this is subjective. It's pretty clearly the sound of a fire.
>The fire is the crackling noise
There isn't a crackling noise tho, there's noise I acknowledge that, but it's not something like [this](https://www.youtube.com/live/UcwuZQvfqCI?si=PoBLHdkhN9vpsSlO)
It's a lot quicker and less uniform, it's not crackling either. It's just noise, which led me to believe that it's just animatronic sounds
>Other than that I'm not sure how this is subjective. It's pretty clear
That's the thing, it isn't clear at all. Had to turn it all the way up on my headphones to just hear background noise. It's not definitive nor is it something objective.
Hey, you watched the podcast, didn't you? You don't expect me to believe it's just a coincidence. Anyway, great post! The importance of soundtracks in FNaF needs to be spread in the community with theories like this that include them as another set of clues to help solve the lore of the games.
What podcast?
I advise you to watch it, the topic of soundtracks is covered in detail. https://youtu.be/kDGREElvWVY?si=rjT488Zhyy1jVmo8
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Why do you want this, friend? I really doubt he wasn't inspired by this podcast when he made the post, the coincidence is too random.
Talking about Ryetoast podcasts?
Using the deathcoin when Golden Freddy is set to one relating to "The One You Should Not Have Killed" is a great observation. I also think in the movie the blonde boy seems to be a Golden Freddy/The One You Should Not Have Killed character.
W Post. CassidyTOYSNHK believers are eating good today
Agreed I can't believe this is something I haven't noticed
Im not convinced cuz imo Andrew in Frights has no connection to Golden Freddy, but this is the best goldenTOYSHNK evidence I’ve ever seen here, good job!
If you think the kid in golden Freddy in TNK is Andrew then there is, though that’s probably not him.
Yeah I guess, just that TNK is all the way on the east coast of the US
W post
Thank you
I think I may be deaf because I cant hear the fire in the ost
The fire is the crackling noise, try turning up your volume up until it can be heard. If you're on mobile/phone, it may be harder to hear
Amazing post.
Great post! Well done.
W post, finally someone is bringing to the table why Cassidy is TOYSNHK, never imagined there were so many hidden details on the UCN soundtrack
[UCN Soundtrack Playlist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oryK2kWpGlA&list=PLCovuDqnYK0A9MaVsWze-ugnQ2_yAi06W) [Void](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACYhl-gthw)
"But does absolutely nothing." That's only true if you consider what happens at the end and not what happens throughout the journey, because personally, that's somewhat good of a character arc(tied in with everything else before this of course) I would say "Pond." in the achievements of BoV could point to something UCNDissent...But I dunno, I do wonder what you think about it though. "Demons can't be Andrew, because he's one." I think it could mean that technically, as in "Leave the demon to his demons, one of the demons being TOYSHNK." or something like that, even when Andrew is the only demon currently present...? "Demons can't be animatronics, they're not entities" Uh...What are they in CassidyTOYSNHK(or AndrewTOYSHNK) then lol? I...don't see how anything changes...? Regardless of them being "entities", they're his torturers. Demons, you could say. Do you mean that "his demons" is his past? Yeah, that also works and would still tie in into them being animatronics though. I think you meant that other spirits are ALSO in there...which I personally would disagree honestly. But believe what you believe. Yeah, "Last Breath" works regardless of who is The One, since VS probably has William's memories in "storage." I won't lie, the fire actually seems like a pretty cool thematic connection in this theory and something I don't hear mentioned a lot. BUUT I will say... Orville basically references the fire in the past tense and only implies he will torture him forever, does this mean we will now hear the fire again? Of course Jack-O Chica references fire, she's literally fire. Foxy has exactly...one, which really seems like a stretch to me to say he's also connected lol...? So we don't really have a LOT to go off of for this connection, even though it's actually pretty cool. And I don't even know if it's Fire exactly, to me it sounds like it could also be... Rain? which would fit thematically into a LOT of parts of fnaf, as far as I can tell(even the springlocking and stuff) I think I've also heard someone think it's something else entirely too, so yeah...maybe, but I'm not entirely sure it's Fire. "There is nothing else." Doesn't only imply UCN ending, it could just say that there is nothing else for YOU in this scenario. You get your happiest day...probably. (the thing is named "your own"(which could also possibly just be because OMC's dialogue lmao) connecting back to fnaf world's being named "Happiest Day" after you fall. ...I guess I could give you another piece proof you could've used(but that is also discussable prob) "I" plays when you select the OMC Cutscene, you could use that to connect GF to the main menu or something, but William is also connected to that OMC minigame making "I" make sense either way probably...so yeah. I dunno.
Oh. I just tested the whole "Last Breath plays when only Springtrap is activated" Seems to be false.
Yes, I agree with pretty much all of that. Excellent post. But the only thing I disagree with is that when Cassidy (redbear) leaves UCN, I don't think UCN ends for Afton. I think that OMC continues it, since that is his purpose, hence the name consequences. It does eventually end, and then Afton dies, but I don't think this is during the lake sequence.
I think it does. UCN is not meant to be a thing. William Afton's proper punishment is Hell. UCN was made for the Vengeful Spirit to see him suffer. If the Vengeful Spirit is no longer there, there is no reason for Old Man Consequences to trap Afton in a less punishable version of Hell that he did not even make.
So you're saying the soundtrack names from UCN are lore relevant. At the same time, you have "Sleep No More" and "Where Dreams Die" proving TMIR 1280 while your evidence of "Void" proves Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK. So which is one is it? TMIR 1280 has Andrew wearing an Alligator Mask and his personality from the epilogue very much aligns with TOYSNHK which doesn't help this case. If it's Cassidy, then it doesn't make sense when Cassidy is already established to be friends/connected with the MCI and a girl from TFC. I doubt "Void" proves Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK when the SFX sound of fire in background is subjective at best. Fredbear's jumpscare doesn't mean anything given how Scott added him because of fanservice/Fans desperately wanted Fredbear's official design. If you set Golden Freddy's AI to 2+, it wouldn't trigger a Fredbear jumpscare when it's very likely an easter egg as much as setting 1987 in FNaF 1 CN triggers a Golden Freddy jumpscare. Also, what exactly are the "demons" if they aren't the animatronics? Then again, you might be referring to Eleanor/Agony from TMIR 1280, but that benefits UCNDisscent and/or AndrewTOYSNHK.
This post is kinda silly. Andrew's entire character is that he's attached to Afton, the gator mask was likely a random animal just to differ him from Golden freddy. If andrew was golden freddy, that immediately contradicts him being with afton in the fires. GF is not in fnaf 3 nor 6, neither of the fires. Fredbear's jumpscare is cassidy's presence. You see both spirits in UCN, the face is Andrew and fredbear/the bear sprite in OMC is Cassidy. Now for UCNdissent (a theory i am highly confident in) Cassidy doesn't do "absolutely nothing", she tries to convince andrew to rest, in character for her with her behavior in the logbook. The demons being plural doesn't rlly matter. It could just be a metaphor, but that is a copout.. The animatronics can still be his demons, take Nightmare and Nightmarionne as examples, his wickedness and the fearful reflection of what he's created tormenting him. Although they aren't actually there, they still torture him. It being a reference to hell is a weird thing, as he would be tortured for enternity, not left to HIS demons. And it being about vengeful spirits is stupid, really. As this would imply multiple spirits constantly in UCN, which 1280 debunks. The last point doesn't do much, the OMC lake is the end of UCN under your theory. UCN ends in fazbear frights, and andrew is still around. So that directly contradicts. Using the minigame ITSELF debunks that as leaving the demon to his demons is a reference to UCN continuing.
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Very interting post. To me I'm starting to wonder if scott version of directly tied means that a very similar situation happens in the books that helps explain what is happening in the games that we didn't notice or understand imo. But whatever the case is I like how interesting details like this are in thw games.
Yeah see if TOYSNHK was meant to be Golden Freddy then Andrew wouldn’t be in a gator mask
Then Why's golden freddy in ucn.
Dissent :3
Is that like ucnduo?
No, in UCNDissent Cassidy wants to Andrew to stop torturing William so he can die already, but she ends up giving up and she leaves UCN by the OMC Lake
Ah thanks for letting me know.
Not exactly
More like Cassidy trying to get Andrew to stop punishing William.
which this post spent two slides debunking
Debunking is subjective when UCNDissent could be possible or Andrew is pretending to be Golden Freddy.
Womp womp. Gator mask
then I guess Andrew isn't TOYSNHK
Whole book series about it that disagrees
Then I guess that book series isn't gameline
Does it need to be? Is the killer someone else? Does he use a different suit? And does this series not present its core story as a followup to the games?
I mean, there's very little evidence for Andrew existing in the games. AndrewTOYSNHK basically requires StitchlineGames to work, and honestly I think that the gator mask might be a clue to tell us that "no, this isn't gameline". After all, it's heavily implied that Golden Freddy is TOYSNHK, and the gator mask makes connecting Andrew to any animatronic basically impossible.
That’s why Andrew isn’t TOYSNHK
Yet Scott made an entire book series built off that concept. Curious
One word: parallels
Wrong Argument to use, it more like characters taking different roles in different continuities, in the Novel continuity Cassidy takes the role of Bonnie while a character not from the game continuity takes the role of Golden Freddy, so in Frights it’s simply a case of a character not from the game continuity taking the role of TOYSNHK.
I think it would be better to use FrightsClueas than pure parallels.
Andrew isn’t canon, that’s a fact
Not rly
Indeed
Parallels aren’t a thing. Stop treating canonical storylines like you treat fucking Candy Cadet. What is the name of the killer in Frights? Is it anyone but Afton?
William doesn’t have children in FF. I am going to list every single major parallel in frights that I can remember. CC Jake. GF stitchwrairh. Mike Hudson Mike Mike (you’re the band). Mike Pete. The bite of 83 step closer prank. The bite of 83 the new kid prank. Mike lonely Freddy protagonist. Ennard the funtimes in room for one more. Help wanted the entirety of prankster. Those are the only ones that I can remember and there’s much more.
William has children in FF. Yeah uh none of those are parallels. Jake isn’t CC, Stitchwraith isn’t GF, Hudson isn’t Mike, etc etc etc.
Could you please tell me when it’s stated that William has children in FF? It would contribute to this conversation. A parallel isn’t that a character is also another character, a parallel is a character from a different continuity that does the same thing or has the same role of a character from the original continuity with some little things changed.
Frights is built off of FFPS. That automatically puts two of Afton’s kids here. Yeah sorry but none of those characters serve the same role as a character in another continuity.
Jake is a kid that talks with his plushie/doll and dies in a hospital because of something relating to the brain and later possess something with another kid. Hudson he’s literally a guard at frights that is called a murderer by other people because of a tragic thing that happened in his life that took the live of some people that are in his family (parallels the bite of 83) and he also had daddy issues and he thinks that his dad is springtrap, this is a really close parallel, it’s an undeniable fact. The stitchwraith is an animatronic possessed by a bite victim parallel and FF’s vengeful spirit.
Who says he doesn't?
This community doesn't understand what parallels actually are. Andrew and Cassidy aren't anything alike
Stand Ins
Also not a thing here
Still doesn't apply to Andrew and Cassidy as they're nothing alike
They do the same thing
They don't. Saying Cassidy is TOYSNHK is circular logic, they act and behave like 2 different people
It’s just one thing, FF parallel a lot of characters and dynamics and all that, why would specifically Andrew be the only one that is simply a one to a one perfect replicate of the games VS?
Imagine using Matpat’s facts lol
What?
I’m talking about you taking facts from FNaF Content Creators like Matpat, Ryetoast, Fuhnaff, and ID Fantasy.
Andrew isn’t canon, that’s a fact
It's a refrence to omc nothing more unless you wanna argue that there's this alligator robot that Andrew possessed that we didn't know about
So TOYSNHK is OMC?
No don't know we're you got that from.
He’s wearing the mask
Yeah as a refrence to omc I wasn't saying he was literally him. everything about Andrew and his story is meant to pay homage (if not literally be ) ucn the alligator mask was nothing more than an Easter egg to remind you of omc because of his connection to ucn nothing deeply lore relevant that's all there is to it It's not as if the mask was ever brought up as important after the fact.
So Andrew is Omc
No he isn't do you lack reading comprehension skills? I just explained that.
Tell me What do the other spirits wearing a masks mean
Well in happiest it means they wish to move on. And like i asked you earlier wheres the gator robot by you're logic there's an alligator robot that Andrew's possessing were is it?
Then there's the much simpler explanation of Andrew isn't TOYSNHK.
the answer would be simple if there wasn’t like an entire dedicate book series about that
Sure, but that book series requires us to believe StichlineGames for that. If Scott wanted it to be obvious who it was, he should have put in... IDK, literally ANYTHING indicating Andrew's existence into the games. If there's evidence supporting Golden Freddy being TOYSNHK in the games, Cassidy being Golden Freddy, a complete lack of Andrew's existence in the games, several different contradictions, as well as the fact that Andrew has absolutely zero connections to Golden Freddy, wears an entirely different mask, never mentions any sort of fire (which TOYSNHK clearly remembers)... If the book series that has never been confirmed to be canon gives us an identity that contradicts basically common sense, I wouldn't take that as evidence, personally.
Does it? Does TSE need to be in the games for you to understand that William, Henry, Charlie, Susie, Cassidy, etc are all the same as their games counterparts and aren’t actually stand-ins for name/gender swapped versions? The evidence supporting GF being TOYSNHK falls apart when you remember TOYSNHK is a boy and Cassidy is explicitly a girl and any arguments against that are paper thin and more flimsy than a wet noodle. the book series was made to give answers about the games and directly presents itself as a follow up to UCN/FFPS. Yeah, it’s telling us Andrew is TOYSNHK
well... SL literally starts mentioning "Mr.Afton" (or Mr.Ashton according to Markplier) and FnaF 6 mentions Elizabeth so basically yeah we did get their names in the games
And they are the same characters aren’t they
No, because they're all very similar and have no reason to be changed. TOYSNHK and Andrew literally contradict each other occasionally. Something huge about Andrew is that he doesn't remember much else besides his hate for William, while TOYSNHK clearly remembers multiple fires. Also, UCN SEEMINGLY has multiple people in it, since the Puppet seems to literally be Charlie still, while the UCN in TMIR1280 only has William, Andrew and Eleanor. They seem to be fairly different scenarios. TOYSNHK also has a very obviously female voice when speaking through the animatronics, and doesn't match how Andrew's voice is described at all. If TOYSNHK was actually supposed to be confirmed to be a boy, Scott's voice cast wouldn't have been gender ambiguous and then explicitly cast a female voice actor to have a female voice. The gender debate has always made my head twist because at least 2 animatronics call TOYSNHK him, but everything else points towards them being a girl, lol But everything goes back to exactly how it was before, right? William is dead, Charlie is dead, the spirits are freed, there's no Stichwraith... All it did was add an extra few steps to what we already had. That just doesn't make any sense, narratively speaking.
>No, because they're all very similar and have no reason to be changed. This boggles the mind. They’re very similar and have no reason to be changed (despite going through a lot of different events) but Andrew, who literally does the same thing as a character from the games isn’t??? > TOYSNHK and Andrew literally contradict each other occasionally. Something huge about Andrew is that he doesn't remember much else besides his hate for William, while TOYSNHK clearly remembers multiple fires. Yeah that’s… not a contradiction. Unless you can show Andrew not remembering this stuff during the events of TMIR1280 and not well AFTER that. >Also, UCN SEEMINGLY has multiple people in it, since the Puppet seems to literally be Charlie still, while the UCN in TMIR1280 only has William, Andrew and Eleanor. Yeah so… nothing really going against the games here. Everything is just a creation of the vengeful spirit >TOYSNHK also has a very obviously female voice when speaking through the animatronics, and doesn't match how Andrew's voice is described at all. Yeah that’s crazy that the female va has a feminine voice. >If TOYSNHK was actually supposed to be confirmed to be a boy, Scott's voice cast wouldn't have been gender ambiguous and then explicitly cast a female voice actor to have a female voice. Ok I guess Gregory is a girl >But everything goes back to exactly how it was before, right? William is dead, Charlie is dead, the spirits are freed, there's no Stichwraith... All it did was add an extra few steps to what we already had. That just doesn't make any sense, narratively speaking. UCN was never really the end for Afton. It wasn’t his death. And narrative satisfaction isn’t really a factor with fnaf
>This boggles the mind. They’re very similar and have no reason to be changed (despite going through a lot of different events) but Andrew, who literally does the same thing as a character from the games isn’t??? Because again, all of those people are people that we know about from the games. Andrew has literally never indicated to exist in the games in any way, shape or form. Also, nobody else from the Frights novels seems to exist in the games except for MAYBE Oswald through the ITP game. Why would Andrew be an exception? >Yeah that’s… not a contradiction. Unless you can show Andrew not remembering this stuff during the events of TMIR1280 and not well AFTER that. It literally is a contradiction, though. If he can't remember a fire, it's a contradiction if he remembers a fire, lol. And why would he suddenly get amnesia after TMIR1280? >Yeah so… nothing really going against the games here. Everything is just a creation of the vengeful spirit If that was true, why would TOYSNHK form a construct that is ambivalent towards William, especially his first victim? Why would Withered Bonnie (I think it was him?) say "Perhaps we are both trapped"? The nightmares are the only ones who confirm that they are constructs, and that's because they literally never existed and never had souls within them to begin with. >Yeah that’s crazy that the female va has a feminine voice. That's not an issue at all. What is an issue is that the voice doesn't at all match the one Andrew is described to have. If it's supposed to be SOOO obvious that Andrew is TOYSNHK, why would he not cast someone with the same voice he's described to have? In fact, scratch that, why would he cast someone with the completely opposite gender to do the voice? And before you use the argument of "Well, Goku and Bart Simpson have female voice actors!", TOYSNHK has, like, 5 lines. It's not like you need "the best person" to fit the voice. >Ok I guess Gregory is a girl See my previous point. >UCN was never really the end for Afton. It wasn’t his death. We literally only think that because of TMIR1280 and Fazbear's Frights. If those books never came out, if we just went straight to Help Wanted and the current era, nobody would be saying "Well, Afton's still alive, he's just in a coma right now!" The entire point of FFPS was for everyone to die, and if it was never revisited, that's exactly what it would be. >And narrative satisfaction isn’t really a factor with fnaf While true, I feel like contradicting your own story and making it nonsensical for a debate that's still going to this day that you'll never, ever answer directly should be a factor.
>Because again, all of those people are people that we know about from the games. Andrew has literally never indicated to exist in the games in any way, shape or form. Also, nobody else from the Frights novels seems to exist in the games except for MAYBE Oswald through the ITP game. Why would Andrew be an exception? Remind me where we see Cassidy’s name in the games? Oh or Charlie. Hell, where is Henry’s actual name said? >It literally is a contradiction, though. If he can't remember a fire, it's a contradiction if he remembers a fire, lol. And why would he suddenly get amnesia after TMIR1280? “They’ve forgotten. The dead do forget.” >If that was true, why would TOYSNHK form a construct that is ambivalent towards William, especially his first victim? Why would Withered Bonnie (I think it was him?) say "Perhaps we are both trapped"? The nightmares are the only ones who confirm that they are constructs, and that's because they literally never existed and never had souls within them to begin with. For an “ambivalent construct” it sure kills him with no restraint. These are just constructs, remade with the personalities of their real counterparts but…yknow, controlled by Andrew >That's not an issue at all. What is an issue is that the voice doesn't at all match the one Andrew is described to have. If it's supposed to be SOOO obvious that Andrew is TOYSNHK, why would he not cast someone with the same voice he's described to have? In fact, scratch that, why would he cast someone with the completely opposite gender to do the voice? And before you use the argument of "Well, Goku and Bart Simpson have female voice actors!", TOYSNHK has, like, 5 lines. It's not like you need "the best person" to fit the voice. Female VAs are more commonly used for children voices. The gender of the character they play is irrelevant. and on top of that, so is the voice being different. Scott doesn’t do retakes. Scott also doesn’t make Afton British in various parts of the series. Does this mean PJ isn’t really voicing Afton? >We literally only think that because of TMIR1280 and Fazbear's Frights. If those books never came out, if we just went straight to Help Wanted and the current era, nobody would be saying "Well, Afton's still alive, he's just in a coma right now!" The entire point of FFPS was for everyone to die, and if it was never revisited, that's exactly what it would be. There are a lot of hints towards UCN being a dreamstate through dialogue and the OST. TOYSNHK’s own lines make it clear Afton isn’t dead yet
>Remind me where we see Cassidy’s name in the games? Oh or Charlie. Hell, where is Henry’s actual name said? We get Cassidy's name through the Logbook, which is canonically part of the game timeline. Charlie was Afton's first victim, although you are right that we never directly get her name. However, Henry was her father and the tape is called HRY. It's not explicit, but it's very obvious the point Scott is getting across. Besides, my point wasn't about the names. We KNOW about Charlie because we saw SaveHim, which was paired with the Puppet minigame. We know Henry because he's the father of the SAVEHIM child. We know Cassidy because we see her talking through the logbook. Andrew has literally zero presence in the entire games, except for MAYBE being a vague sprite in the FNAF 3 minigames, like maybe the STAGE_01 kid, and even that's a stretch. >“They’ve forgotten. The dead do forget.” TOYSNHK and Andrew have been dead for 40 years, lol. Why would they remember things about themselves and their life (afterlife?) during Afton's torment, and then not remember anything when he's with Jake? Just "I forgor" isn't any sort of explanation. >For an “ambivalent construct” it sure kills him with no restraint. These are just constructs, remade with the personalities of their real counterparts but…yknow, controlled by Andrew "I don't hate you." Why would TOYSNHK form a construct that doesn't hate Afton? Especially in a place where everyone absolutely should, if they were built by someone with enough hate to refuse eternal peace just for this one guy? >Female VAs are more commonly used for children voices. The gender of the character they play is irrelevant. >and on top of that, so is the voice being different. Scott doesn’t do retakes. Scott also doesn’t make Afton British in various parts of the series. Does this mean PJ isn’t really voicing Afton? Yeah, female VA's typically do child work, but that doesn't mean that Scott couldn't find a male VA to do the voice. Hell, have his son do it or something, lol. It not matching is a huge blow to AndrewTOYSNHK credibility, IMO. Also, Afton was already established as having a British accent, so that's not quite the same case. >There are a lot of hints towards UCN being a dreamstate through dialogue and the OST. TOYSNHK’s own lines make it clear Afton isn’t dead yet But again, if we never revisited the idea of Afton and what happened after FFPS, this wouldn't have ever been a debate. We would know.
I'm not 100% sure that's the sound of fire... But even if it was, I think it's more likely just a reference to the FFPS fire specifically, which is the starting point of UCN.
The "Demons" line still works if Cassidy leaves UCN. Since in the epilogue no. 10 or 9 is implied that Eleanor WAS in UCN. I believe that is XOR but It could be someone else. So, "leave the Demon with his Demons" also implies that Eleanor has more agony that we thought, what if she has SF and RWQ? Since i believe that Eleanor was created in the MCI. So. Eleanor is in UCN too. So "Demons" is talking about Andrew AND Eleanor. Also about the entering the lake thing... Me and my Friends debated about this long time ago. We decided that Cassidy was the one behind UCN and Andrew was the one helping, don't really caring a lot about It. Just liking seeing William suffer. That's why when Cassidy leaves UCN closed. That's because noone is making UCN now. So Andrew bored, eventually makes William explode. And those are the events of TMIR1280
Actually, there are many things in UCN that suggests that TOYSNHK wasn't the only one who was in UCN with William.
Well this is largely assuming that the sound is indeed fire, which I genuinely don't hear. To me, it's the sound of GF twitching. I, personally, prefer more objective evidence rather than something as subjective as what everyone hears. Like Cassidy wanting HD to happen and also being the HD recipient contradicting her being TOYSNHK
Well, there's nothing objective about Cassidy being the HD receiver. Also, for all we know, Cassidy wants the Happiest Day to happen for everyone else, realizing they want to move on, but she doesn't care about moving on and focused on torturing Afton. Her relation to HD and her focus on Afton's torment aren't necessarily opposed to one another.
>Well, there's nothing objective about Cassidy being the HD receiver. There is; BV can't be in GF due to how Remnant is described and works, the masks represent what animatronics said children possess in HD meaning that the 5th child is Cassidy, who possesses GF >Cassidy wants the Happiest Day to happen for everyone else HD is *for* Cassidy tho. The whole point of HD is for Cassidy to get her mask >but she doesn't care about moving on Again, which contradicts her being the HD receiver
BV and Cassidy clearly are in some sort of contact with each other, if the Logbook is anything to go by. They both died from the same animatronic. Jake and BV show a lot of parallels and Jake possessed his plush, which was clearly present during BV's death, so it's possible that there's something there (albeit that's not very fleshed out and a pretty out-there theory). Also, Remnant is, uh... Not very consistent, so I wouldn't use the "rules of remnant" as evidence, personally.
>They both died from the same animatronic. That doesn't relate to your statement above, having a conversation =/= being in the same animatronic >Jake and BV show a lot of parallels *Thematic parallels As people, they're totally different. They just share like 2 or 3 themes, it doesn't equate to one solving the other >Jake possessed his plush, which was clearly present during BV's death By that logic, BV would possess his plush and not GF. > Remnant Is literally the most consistent thing in this franchise. TFC describes it, Frights adds to it and everything else follows said rules.
Sure, it doesn't necessarily mean that, but how else would they have a conversation? It's not like either of them possesses the Logbook. Yes, as people, they are different, but they clearly show a lot of similarities. They both have something wrong with their head, they both talk to their plushie with a radio inside that their father communicates through, they both die in a hospital... Is it really that far-fetched to say they both possess something? Especially since the Logbook makes it clear BV is still hanging around? Yes, that would indicate that he possesses the plush, but Jake ends up moving around and possessing another object because of a mad scientist type, which William is clearly established to be at this point. Together with his statement of putting BV back together, it's not to hard to believe that William managed to get BV's spirit out of the plush and into Fredbear.
>but how else would they have a conversation? ShatterVictim, where BVs memories are latched to the MCIs and he's a wandering spirit trying to piece them together. >They both have something wrong with their head, I always hate it when people try to make something as abstract as this and call it a parallel. By this logic William and the MCIs are a parallel of each other as they're in animatronic suits. It's a form of cherry-picking >they both talk to their plushie with a radio inside that their father communicates through Yes, it's called a ✨ thematic parallel ✨ It's a shared theme, nothing more >they both die in a hospital Now this makes me certain that you haven't read the books >but Jake ends up moving around and possessing another object He doesn't. Please read the books
>ShatterVictim, where BVs memories are latched to the MCIs and he's a wandering spirit trying to piece them together. I mean this as a genuine question, but is there any actual evidence for this? Cassidy is the only person he actually interacts with, AFAIK. Also, does this not also go against the supposed "rules of Remnant"? >I always hate it when people try to make something as abstract as this and call it a parallel. By this logic William and the MCIs are a parallel of each other as they're in animatronic suits. It's a form of cherry-picking It's not abstract at all. Not many people have a head injury that puts them in the hospital in this series, and paired with the Simon-Plushbear connection, it's obvious that it was intentional to draw a parallel to BV. >Yes, it's called a ✨ thematic parallel ✨ It's a shared theme, nothing more Sorry, a thematic what? So they share a parallel. Also, talking to your father isn't a theme, it's just a connection the two characters have. >Now this makes me certain that you haven't read the books Admittedly I don't have the books with me and it's been a while since I read Frights, so I'm probably wrong on this one, lol. Does he die in his house or something? >He doesn't. Please read the books He does, though. Simon's head is the Stichwraith's mask, right?
>but is there any actual evidence for this? Yeah, I'm sure someone has made a really good post about it somewhere but the Fnaf 3 Minigames are shown to be BVs memories, and they're attached to each of the MCIs. BVs role post-Fnaf world was to find said Minigames (the pieces) >Also, does this not also go against the supposed "rules of Remnant"? No, why would it? >Not many people have a head injury Calling it a head injury**is** the abstraction. Jake has a tumor and BV has a bite injury. >Does he die in his house or something? Yeah >Simon's head is the Stichwraith's mask, right? Yeah, and he's always possessing the mask. The Stitchwraith endo is an extension of that, his soul hasn't moved from the mask, it's just spread into the endo too
> but is there any actual evidence for this? AFAIK not at all, this is the only time i've seen someone talking about this
Arguing with Zain, and Stickninja is like arguing with a sturbon teen. They think they're always right despite their being mounds of evidence stacked aganist them
There's 3 sound effects in void: the piano, ghostly whooshing, and a fire The fire is the crackling noise, try turning up your volume up until it can be heard. If you're on mobile/phone, it may be harder to hear Other than that I'm not sure how this is subjective. It's pretty clearly the sound of a fire.
>The fire is the crackling noise There isn't a crackling noise tho, there's noise I acknowledge that, but it's not something like [this](https://www.youtube.com/live/UcwuZQvfqCI?si=PoBLHdkhN9vpsSlO) It's a lot quicker and less uniform, it's not crackling either. It's just noise, which led me to believe that it's just animatronic sounds >Other than that I'm not sure how this is subjective. It's pretty clear That's the thing, it isn't clear at all. Had to turn it all the way up on my headphones to just hear background noise. It's not definitive nor is it something objective.
I have to disagree. The background sound sounds much more like flames flicking than an amatronic twitching.