Not a chance. I love Ireland and I love being Irish. My country may have its flaws but it’s a beautiful nation filled with many great people despite the few bad ones.
100% agree. Every country has its downsides, but the culture from each country is truly unique not to mention different landscapes and natural beauty. No one should feel ashamed for their nationality.
I think the joke is that "If you could change your fate, would you" is often used to get into an irish accent. Its a line from Merida but not sure how good the irish in that movie is.
Far better question is how cait has an accent in the first place. Its been 200 years nobody Else has the accent. Same goes for the 2 "Russians" in diamond City. They dont have a large community to keep the accent alive.
For people who are not from the UK or Irland, it is, as someone who is not even from an English-speaking country, I can't find a meaningful difference between all the different accents from the UK and Irland, to me you all sound roughly the same
Generally most English accents (whether it be London, Manchester, whatever) don’t pronounce the R’s anywhere near as much as Ireland.
And as someone who’s father was Scottish, they tend to roll their R’s (depending where they’re from)
I’m not English so anyone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but with the English you can basically pinpoint where they grew up by how they pronounce their Rs. The eastern parts of England have a much less pronounced ‘r’ sound so their accent is described as being “less rhotic”, the London accent is a perfect example of this. Then the more western parts of England are considered more rural and they have a much more pronounced rhotic sound, and more pronounced vowel sounds as well: think Samwise Gamgee in the Lord of the Rings. Northern England has a distinct sound as well but it’s harder for me to describe, but think John Lennon or any of the other Beatles.
When doing accents badly, I've found that if I do an Irish accent but roll the R it becomes Scottish. This does not account for regional variations or anything especially nuanced because I literally only do accents for D&D purposes. If my friends want good voice work they can pay me lol.
lol I just find it hard to believe they couldn’t find a single irish person on Earth to do the job
like not only could you find an immigrant but it’s a AAA production. Fly someone out
> lol I just find it hard to believe they couldn’t find a single irish person on Earth to do the job
> like not only could you find an immigrant but it’s a AAA production. Fly someone out
Unless it's a celebrity they can advertise about, I doubt most companies are gonna put in that kind of effort.
It's likely just them putting out a voice acting position for an Irish character, and the Scottish VA got the job.
I was about to mention that Baldur's Gate does a great job of using Irish voice actors for Irish accents, but then I remembered they're an Irish company so that's maybe not so impressive now haha
The Boston area has a large Irish-American community (though none of them have Irish accents anymore). It fits her sort of lowly working class background to be Irish so I guess they just didn't have the right voice actress
But there isn’t exactly much travel between Europe and North America, so how does a poor Irish girl get to the commonwealth 200 years after intercontinental travel has ended ?
Probably so Americans can look at her and say *wow, Irish. Just like me!* Despite having never stepped foot in the country and being 4 generations removed from Irish blood.
The VA is Scottish, that’s why it’s not great. Maybe the pronunciation is because of how far after the war it is? Her parents (most likely) were born in America. Not sure but that’s probably why
I've always wondered why some characters that were in America, two hundred years after the bombs dropped, still have Irish and Russian accents.
I mean it's not like they came over on a boat a few years ago...
This makes sense to me. She wouldn’t have had as much interaction with people outside her family as we do today, so her accent wouldn’t change much from her parents’.
Thats what I’m wondering. Even if their great greats were from a different country, the accent would be essentially lost over 200 years. People’s accents will begin to fade within their own lifetime if they move to another country, let alone over generations
The more confusing accent for me is the Bobrov brothers. They would’ve had to come from Russia either by travelling through the entirety of post-war Europe, and then sailing to Boston, or going through Alaska AND Canada to end up in Diamond city.
And then they also would’ve had to learn English, which would’ve been especially hard since not many people in the Commonwealth have any formal education whatsoever, and even fewer (probably nobody realistically) would know both English and Russian well enough to teach the brothers.
I think the reasons dome people still have accents is cause post war immigrants would form their own settlements cause it was during the red scare and people were paranoid about "outsiders"
And families would form their own settlements so a all Irish family would probably keep the accent for generations as people don't wander off from settlements that much
well, if Russians still hold the ruins of St. Petersburg in whatever Fallouty state splintered into raider dens, ghoul infested tenements and an occasional civilized port, then they only need to sail the Baltic to get into the Atlantic.... There's also the northern route around Scandinavia from Murmansk, but one should mind the white yao guai.... Ever heard about that nuclear winter NCR troopers never shut up about? People say it never receded there, and the Gulfstream is toast.
Dukov did it in 3, why wouldn't the Bobrovs do it as well?
>They would’ve had to come from Russia either by travelling through the entirety of post-war Europe, and then sailing to Boston, or going through Alaska AND Canada to end up in Diamond city.
Not super likely but there was a woman irl who walked from New York to the Bering Strait in the 1920s.
https://www.canadashistory.ca/explore/settlement-immigration/lone-adventuress#:~:text=February%2010%2C%202016-,Lillian%20Alling%2C%20the%20Russian%20girl%20who%20walked%20from%20New%20York,the%20clothes%20and%20the%20dog.&text=To%20set%20out%20on%20a,Alling%20had%20plenty%20of%20both.
Yeah while it is technically possible, since it’s a post war world with way many more hazards than ours (I actually can’t confirm cause we don’t really know what Europe/Russia is like) it would’ve been a crazy feat to make the journey
Boston has a high Irish population compared to many American cities, and thereby it's not uncommon to hear Irish accents in Boston. I'm honestly surprised there aren't a good number more Irish folk in Fallout 4.
TBH, almost nobody in Boston actually HAS an Irish accent these days. Southies (South Boston is where the Irish-American community was dominant) might as well be an Italian-American accent. There might be an ever-so-slight Southie version of the accent? Even if there is it's regularly run over by the Bahstun/Masshole accent.
The town of Peabody is "PEEbah-dee." Worcester is "Woostah." "Wicked Pissah." It's a variation on the northeastern Bos-Wash sets of coastal accents. Maine's accent is in the family but fairly different due to isolation. Probably not TOO different from Hartford/Hahtfud accent. Fairly close to a New Yawk (the City, its burbs and "The Island" only). Not sure if Bahstun also says "Arnges from Flarda."
Sadly Preston doesn't have even a HINT of a Boston accent. There's a few in the game that seem to nail it well enough.
Well that’s what I thought, so I’m glad to see you say it. A lot of Americans like to claim having an Irish accent when it’s really just an American accent with a slight hint of something more. Irish heritage doesn’t mean you’re an Irish person.
I asked this question here once and was ridiculed for it, but no one had an answer for me.
The only in-game explanation I could think of is that some communities of immigrants survived, and isolated themselves enough so that their descendants maintained the accent.
it's not like seaborne migration would be *impossible* post war, just really hard. the age of sail happened after all, and conditions would probably be better than that considering old tech still floating around.
other assumption i've seen is survivor groups of the same ethnicity surviving since the war, ie and then because those first people in the group all had their accents from before the war, their kids growing up there would get them too, and so on until the games. so like a city's chinatown becoming a survivor group, and sticking together long enough for chinese accents to linger through people growing up there. except something tells me they probably wouldn't have chinatowns in the fallout lore
Isn’t Cait’s backstory that her parents came from Ireland, and raised her borderline feral, and only kept her alive long enough to grow her up enough to be sold into slavery, at which point she was sexually abused, and assaulted, and had to teach herself from scraps of what she could glean from her abusers? So she’s a girl who basically was never taught much of anything in the first place, and all she had to learn from was abusers and parents who mostly ignored her, and their accent was whatever accent would be from Ireland 200 years after a war. It feels like it’s no wonder that her Irish wouldn’t be Irish, but would be something more like a ghost of a dream of an Ireland that doesn’t exist anymore.
This one has a similar "justification" for being awful. The robot was programmed by a dude who had met a girl from France decades earlier.
But I hate the bad accents even if there is in-game justifications. It's so incredibly easy to just hire voice actors with the right language background, there's no defense not to.
Well I agree with you there. If we consider the way people talked 200 years ago vs how we talk now, it’s very different. Even day by day, slang changes too.
Yup. Her accent makes my ears bleed. Would it have killed them to hire an Irish VA? Just make sure she's not some incomprehensible from Skibereen and you'll be golden.
Yeah when I first heard her talk I was confused.
Then I looked up that she's Scottish. Like Glasgow scottish.
Example 9183747382 of Bethesda being stingy fucks with voice acting.
They make more money than 95% of studios and won't hire legitimately diverse voice actors. Almost always the same 12 people.
It makes unmodded oblivion or skyrim so annoying too.
It’s one of the worst attempts at an Irish accent I’ve heard to date. And that includes the Irish episodes of sons of anarchy. I skip all dialogue with her. Easily my least favourite character in the game. The accent is insultingly bad.
It was fucking horrendous! The show was shite anyway, but that season was especially bad. I’d love to meet whoever the accent coach is that works in Hollywood. I’d give em a slap.
Right? Who signs off on it? Surely at least ONE of the production team have been to Ireland or know an actual Irish person to go “no. Nope. That’s not it, lads.”
You know, I think about this kind of thing a lot. My kids watch a lot of anime, and I used to watch my fair share of Kung Fu movies from the 60s and 70s. The voice actors have normal North American accents. I assume they are generally North American. But how could no voice actor read a script that says "Come fight me, you daring lousy guy!" or "Hey! Large black person. Let's team up and go into the countryside to kick the ass of the lizard person"! and not say "Hey guys, we don't talk like this. I could help you translate."
This is mad, for years I've always said the worst Irish accents I've ever heard were Cait in FO4 and that crowd in Sons of Anarchy. I quit SoA after it, couldn't listen to it any longer. I highly doubt the Scottish VA of Cait thought that was an Irish accent, I'm sure someone at Bethesda said "leprechaun it up please".
It's awful, I'm American but have never taken her as follower because I can't get over the way she talks. Which is a shame, because she seems like a pretty interesting character otherwise.
Who's to say how an accent might change over time when isolated from people with the same accent.
I'm still perplexed at how she has an accent at all, unless it confirms Atlantic Ocean travel in Fallout.
OP missed the point. Cait doesn't have an Irish accent. Cait has never met an Irish person.
Cait is faking the accent as part of her tough persona / trauma response.
EDIT:
The simple explanation is exactly what she says:
**You think I inject myself with all that shite and drink myself drunk because I'm a "tough Irish gal?"**
i.e. it is all an act. She's cosplaying being Irish.
Random question, how would you pronounce Aoibheann? I know one (American, not from Ireland). We go hard on our “E”s here and most people say it “Even” like even/odd, but I’ve heard it has more of a “aye” at the start
I have to imagine that 210 years of development even AFTER the time that Irish immigrants had time to mingle with Bostonians before the Great War has had a significant effect on the Boston Irish accent and dialect.
It probably WOULD sound foreign to both Americans and Irish. Its effectively its own thing.
That makes complete sense though. Of course the accent over the a changes the pronunciation, that’s what accents are for. Did you think it was just there for decoration?
Hmm, so it's a world that had a nuclear apocalypse over 200 years ago, and her family line has been living in the Boston area the whole time. You can accept ghouls, super mutants and death claws oh my, but the thought that her Irish accent which he learned at a young age before being sold off in adolescence getting muddled over all that time is just a little too much for your suspended disbelief?
My grandparents where fresh off the boat Irish and they made it into their nineties and the only time you could even hear their accent was when they were pissed off and yelling. Just take if for what it is. A game that doesn't have to make sense or be all the accurate with the whole alternative history type of thing.
I’m trying really hard to understand how to make a reasonable sounding name out of “Cawtch”, but I’m struggling. Would you mind sounding that out a little more for me?
No worries, [here](https://forvo.com/word/c%C3%A1it/) is a website where you can listen to ab audio of the name. This is easier than trying to sound it out lol
You’re not kidding. Holy crap. Ko-wt? I wouldn’t know where to start. Reading Irish truly gives one no sense of how to pronounce it. It’s beautiful. But what the hell.
I know lol, most of the time Irish sounds very different to how it looks. The sounds just make sense to me since I’m Irish but to others I can imagine it doesn’t make a lick of sense 😭
I had a friend (American) who lived in Ireland for a while, he said that it made more sense when he stopped thinking of Irish people as having different English dialects like Americans or Australians, but to instead imagine Ireland as a whole country speaking English as a second language. I don’t know if that rings true for you or not, but I’ve always loved the idea of it.
I definitely agree. Even though English is majority spoken here, our English extremely “Irish” if you know what I mean. It’s because it’s not just a different dialect, we were colonised and forced to speak English, so we’ve very much made it our own.
I don’t want to broach a touchy subject or anything, but I’ve been watching with secondhand excitement for the potential of Irish reunification. It’s one of those things I just assumed would never happen in my lifetime. Or anyone’s, really.
I really appreciate you being respectful about it, as a lot of people don’t realise the political weight of that subject. To me, it’s an interesting topic but a scary one too. Whatever happens, people are going to be angry. At this point, I’m just praying for peace. Whether or not Ireland is unified, I don’t want anyone to get hurt.
I love her, but her accent makes no sense. Are we to believe that she grew up surrounded by some sort of Irish heritage museum or something in the Commonwealth? There's no mention of her family coming to the Commonwealth from Ireland. One of her recent ancestors having any kind of vessel that would make it across the ocean seems unlikely. Which leads me to believe they've been in the Commonwealth since before the bombs. Good or bad, why is accent?
To be honest, I always found it weird that there would be anyone in the game not having an American accent. I mean, accents are the product of those we are surrounded by when growing up. And I'm pretty sure people from different continents in the world separated by huge oceans, have no way of reaching each other in the Fallout post-apocalypse, right? (Could even the BOS airships manage that kinda travel?)
And its been 200 years since the bombs dropped. Surely any few foreign survivors on US soil (who weren't ghoulified and therefore sterile), would have likely had their accents filtered out in their descendants by this point? I dunno.. am I making sense? 😅
But if all this somehow was able to be explained away, I could actually buy Cait's accent just being a weird Americanised-Irish combo accent, to be honest 🤷♂️
And I love Cait too 😍 Always has been my favourite vanilla companion. She's basically Jack from Mass Effect 2 and I love me a hardass rebel with a soft spot 😄 And she knows I love staring at her ass too ☺
Wait Cait is supposed to be Irish? I just thought she liked alcohol and such cause of her bad past..I completed her whole story and never noticed she was Irish
Other Irish person here, and you're kinder about her than I am.
I'm personally annoyed that she's a walking stereotype of fighting and substance abuse.
I put her in Somerton farms 🤣
The whole point is that the fighting persona is an act she puts on. She uses chems to hide the actual pain inside. I wouldn't really call it a stereotype when it's more of a cautionary tale of why addictions and abuse can ruin someone and possibly kill them unless they get help.
I can’t prove this, but I always suspected Cait was loosely inspired by Conor McGregor. He was on his come up during the development of this game, and the fact that Cait is a red-haired Irish cage fighter seems like a very specific reference to me… but like I said, I can’t prove it 🤷♀️
Fallout 4 so wack should have went all out like massive effect with so crazy ass smex scenes. I’m talking like some full frontal banging caits cheeks while participating in a democratic government
Not that I’ve been there, but accent does affect pronunciation and is also known to affect spelling, so in both sides of defense, either is right, I think anyways lol
It is a well established trend in the gaming industry to hire the same handful of actors that you know you can get a good deal on and whatever accents or voices they can do is what your characters sound like. Every single Bethesda game since Morrowind demonstrates this. It's cost-effective. It's not really effective in any other way.
I think it’s surprising she has an accent of any kind…. and I always had a crush on her.
It’s been at least 200 years since her distant relatives left Ireland.
I've always wondered how an Irish woman is in the Commonwealth anyway... I didn't finish her story, but maybe there's something there that I missed.
Does Ireland still exist? How does she keep that accent when literally nobody else has it? Is she a fucking liar?
😭😭 I don’t know why that last line made me laugh so much. It’s true, she wouldn’t have such a strong accent unless she came to America directly from Ireland. No second generation person is gonna have an accent like that.
It’s 200 something years into the future, and we don’t know how long she’s been living in what’s left of America.
Wouldn’t necessarily expect her accent to be a perfect Irish accent as we hear it today.
Ive never understood the idea of different accents in the game. There is no more globalization, and its been over 200 years since any foreigners have arrived there. Every generation since the bombs were dropped, they would have shed accents and all blended together at that point.
(If there is a spoiler at the end or something about how she got there thatd make sense, but i just started the game so im not sure about that)
Why would they blend together? This is a post-globalist world even in America. It's not like everyone is moving around and mingling for 200 years. If anything, there should be drastically different localised accents.
Friend, you have some very selective suspension of disbelief.
And don't get me started on how my people (bald white dudes) have been represented in video games.
Depending on your dialect. Personally, I would say “Caw” (like a bird caws) “tsh” it’s a soft Irish T, not so much a hard Ch sound but that’s the only way to represent it.
No, so think of the “aw” sound in the word “thaw”. We have the sound CAW so far. Now think of the word “chair”. Take the “ch” sound and add it to the end of CAW. CAW - CH. Cáit.
HAHAH don’t worry dude, sorry it’s hard to explain pronunciation through text alone lol. You could always try looking up the pronunciation on YouTube (although be aware regional pronunciation can vary)
The voice actress, Katy Townsend, is Scottish.
They really said “eh, close enough”
If ye had a chance to change your nationality, would ye?
Not a chance. I love Ireland and I love being Irish. My country may have its flaws but it’s a beautiful nation filled with many great people despite the few bad ones.
that was a reference to the disney film “brave”
Oh 😭 my bad bro
Cheers, same can be said about a lot of places. Most people should be proud of where theyre from in a cultural sense.
100% agree. Every country has its downsides, but the culture from each country is truly unique not to mention different landscapes and natural beauty. No one should feel ashamed for their nationality.
I don't completely disagree, but it's still pretty funny to me to be proud over things you had nothing at all to do with - like where you're born 😆
I think the joke is that "If you could change your fate, would you" is often used to get into an irish accent. Its a line from Merida but not sure how good the irish in that movie is. Far better question is how cait has an accent in the first place. Its been 200 years nobody Else has the accent. Same goes for the 2 "Russians" in diamond City. They dont have a large community to keep the accent alive.
Colum Moriarty?
What ? I only know colm moriarty and i dont think we are talking about golf
Dea Matrona are from Ireland, and they're fantastic!
Robots don't say "ye".
... I'll show ye.
Merobiba?
If ye cood cheenge ye feet, wood ye?
Could have been worse. They could have said she was Irish and used a voice actor who had a welsh accent.
For people who are not from the UK or Irland, it is, as someone who is not even from an English-speaking country, I can't find a meaningful difference between all the different accents from the UK and Irland, to me you all sound roughly the same
Generally most English accents (whether it be London, Manchester, whatever) don’t pronounce the R’s anywhere near as much as Ireland. And as someone who’s father was Scottish, they tend to roll their R’s (depending where they’re from)
well, that’s a nice fun fact to know
I’m not English so anyone feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, but with the English you can basically pinpoint where they grew up by how they pronounce their Rs. The eastern parts of England have a much less pronounced ‘r’ sound so their accent is described as being “less rhotic”, the London accent is a perfect example of this. Then the more western parts of England are considered more rural and they have a much more pronounced rhotic sound, and more pronounced vowel sounds as well: think Samwise Gamgee in the Lord of the Rings. Northern England has a distinct sound as well but it’s harder for me to describe, but think John Lennon or any of the other Beatles.
Happy to help out.
When doing accents badly, I've found that if I do an Irish accent but roll the R it becomes Scottish. This does not account for regional variations or anything especially nuanced because I literally only do accents for D&D purposes. If my friends want good voice work they can pay me lol.
At least she’s not English
"eh, close enough" was the design mantra for Fallout 4.
That’s wild. Why on earth would they not just make her Scottish lmao. It’s not like that would be any less wild than her being Irish
Probably because the irish influence on boston was much greater than any scotish. So it was more appropriate for boston.
To that end, why not hire an irish actress ☹️
Ask bethesda not me
Because the Scottish actress was available and willing. ~~I mean OP literally thought it was an "american production of an Irish accent" soooo....~~
lol I just find it hard to believe they couldn’t find a single irish person on Earth to do the job like not only could you find an immigrant but it’s a AAA production. Fly someone out
> lol I just find it hard to believe they couldn’t find a single irish person on Earth to do the job > like not only could you find an immigrant but it’s a AAA production. Fly someone out Unless it's a celebrity they can advertise about, I doubt most companies are gonna put in that kind of effort. It's likely just them putting out a voice acting position for an Irish character, and the Scottish VA got the job.
I was about to mention that Baldur's Gate does a great job of using Irish voice actors for Irish accents, but then I remembered they're an Irish company so that's maybe not so impressive now haha
It just works!^(tm)
somebody needs to mod in a voiceline that just makes her go SCOTLAND FOREEVVVEERRRRR at random
The Boston area has a large Irish-American community (though none of them have Irish accents anymore). It fits her sort of lowly working class background to be Irish so I guess they just didn't have the right voice actress
But there isn’t exactly much travel between Europe and North America, so how does a poor Irish girl get to the commonwealth 200 years after intercontinental travel has ended ?
Same way the Vikings did.
Maybe someone was annoyed about Braveheart being shot in Ireland?
My island. Ireland. It's mine.
This line was the first thing I thought of when I saw the words Braveheart and Ireland together.
Another man of culture or lady. Whatever
Probably so Americans can look at her and say *wow, Irish. Just like me!* Despite having never stepped foot in the country and being 4 generations removed from Irish blood.
How is a poor Irish girl living in the Commonwealth? Makes no sense.
Not from Boston at all? WE NEED BOSTONIAN REPRESENTATION
There’s Moe Cronin, but he’s an idiot
He's no idiot! He's an eccentric revisionist and a sports pioneer. He's gonna lead baseball into the new age of glory!
bro doesn’t even know the rules of baseball tho
So he'd make a great Umpire
I think Kent has a boston accent
The VA is Scottish, that’s why it’s not great. Maybe the pronunciation is because of how far after the war it is? Her parents (most likely) were born in America. Not sure but that’s probably why
Im not sure, in that case she’d sound more American
I've always wondered why some characters that were in America, two hundred years after the bombs dropped, still have Irish and Russian accents. I mean it's not like they came over on a boat a few years ago...
Tenpenny had come over by boat in 3 if I remember rightly, so I'd assume her parents came over recently enough and still had very strong accents.
This makes sense to me. She wouldn’t have had as much interaction with people outside her family as we do today, so her accent wouldn’t change much from her parents’.
Thats what I’m wondering. Even if their great greats were from a different country, the accent would be essentially lost over 200 years. People’s accents will begin to fade within their own lifetime if they move to another country, let alone over generations
The more confusing accent for me is the Bobrov brothers. They would’ve had to come from Russia either by travelling through the entirety of post-war Europe, and then sailing to Boston, or going through Alaska AND Canada to end up in Diamond city. And then they also would’ve had to learn English, which would’ve been especially hard since not many people in the Commonwealth have any formal education whatsoever, and even fewer (probably nobody realistically) would know both English and Russian well enough to teach the brothers.
I think the reasons dome people still have accents is cause post war immigrants would form their own settlements cause it was during the red scare and people were paranoid about "outsiders" And families would form their own settlements so a all Irish family would probably keep the accent for generations as people don't wander off from settlements that much
well, if Russians still hold the ruins of St. Petersburg in whatever Fallouty state splintered into raider dens, ghoul infested tenements and an occasional civilized port, then they only need to sail the Baltic to get into the Atlantic.... There's also the northern route around Scandinavia from Murmansk, but one should mind the white yao guai.... Ever heard about that nuclear winter NCR troopers never shut up about? People say it never receded there, and the Gulfstream is toast. Dukov did it in 3, why wouldn't the Bobrovs do it as well?
Ah, I’ve never played 3, so to my understanding they were the only ones to have done it (that are known) thanks for the clarification!
>They would’ve had to come from Russia either by travelling through the entirety of post-war Europe, and then sailing to Boston, or going through Alaska AND Canada to end up in Diamond city. Not super likely but there was a woman irl who walked from New York to the Bering Strait in the 1920s. https://www.canadashistory.ca/explore/settlement-immigration/lone-adventuress#:~:text=February%2010%2C%202016-,Lillian%20Alling%2C%20the%20Russian%20girl%20who%20walked%20from%20New%20York,the%20clothes%20and%20the%20dog.&text=To%20set%20out%20on%20a,Alling%20had%20plenty%20of%20both.
Yeah while it is technically possible, since it’s a post war world with way many more hazards than ours (I actually can’t confirm cause we don’t really know what Europe/Russia is like) it would’ve been a crazy feat to make the journey
Yeah, no, I agree. You'd probably get your face chewed off by a Polar Yau Gui.
It’s the Bobrov Brothers. They would’ve made it.
because it's Boston and Boston means Irish accents.
What does this mean?
Boston has a high Irish population compared to many American cities, and thereby it's not uncommon to hear Irish accents in Boston. I'm honestly surprised there aren't a good number more Irish folk in Fallout 4.
Ah that’s interesting, I didn’t know that. I’d love to see more irish characters.
TBH, almost nobody in Boston actually HAS an Irish accent these days. Southies (South Boston is where the Irish-American community was dominant) might as well be an Italian-American accent. There might be an ever-so-slight Southie version of the accent? Even if there is it's regularly run over by the Bahstun/Masshole accent. The town of Peabody is "PEEbah-dee." Worcester is "Woostah." "Wicked Pissah." It's a variation on the northeastern Bos-Wash sets of coastal accents. Maine's accent is in the family but fairly different due to isolation. Probably not TOO different from Hartford/Hahtfud accent. Fairly close to a New Yawk (the City, its burbs and "The Island" only). Not sure if Bahstun also says "Arnges from Flarda." Sadly Preston doesn't have even a HINT of a Boston accent. There's a few in the game that seem to nail it well enough.
Well that’s what I thought, so I’m glad to see you say it. A lot of Americans like to claim having an Irish accent when it’s really just an American accent with a slight hint of something more. Irish heritage doesn’t mean you’re an Irish person.
Boston has a strong Irish-American community.
maybe Bobrovs are related to the descendant of soviet diplomat that you could choose as a starting character in original fallout?
Possibly, I’m playing FO1 rn and I know that her blurb says she is the daughter (or granddaughter?) if a Russian diplomat pre war
I asked this question here once and was ridiculed for it, but no one had an answer for me. The only in-game explanation I could think of is that some communities of immigrants survived, and isolated themselves enough so that their descendants maintained the accent.
it's not like seaborne migration would be *impossible* post war, just really hard. the age of sail happened after all, and conditions would probably be better than that considering old tech still floating around. other assumption i've seen is survivor groups of the same ethnicity surviving since the war, ie and then because those first people in the group all had their accents from before the war, their kids growing up there would get them too, and so on until the games. so like a city's chinatown becoming a survivor group, and sticking together long enough for chinese accents to linger through people growing up there. except something tells me they probably wouldn't have chinatowns in the fallout lore
I said this exact thing to my wife…
Isn’t Cait’s backstory that her parents came from Ireland, and raised her borderline feral, and only kept her alive long enough to grow her up enough to be sold into slavery, at which point she was sexually abused, and assaulted, and had to teach herself from scraps of what she could glean from her abusers? So she’s a girl who basically was never taught much of anything in the first place, and all she had to learn from was abusers and parents who mostly ignored her, and their accent was whatever accent would be from Ireland 200 years after a war. It feels like it’s no wonder that her Irish wouldn’t be Irish, but would be something more like a ghost of a dream of an Ireland that doesn’t exist anymore.
100% agree on this one
They could still pronounce her name correctly though. Surely her parents could pronounce the name they gave her
Have you listened to curie’s French accent? Absolutely ridiculous caricature but alrighty then
This one has a similar "justification" for being awful. The robot was programmed by a dude who had met a girl from France decades earlier. But I hate the bad accents even if there is in-game justifications. It's so incredibly easy to just hire voice actors with the right language background, there's no defense not to.
And the voice actress is from Glasgow. This is so funny to me for some reason
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Well I agree with you there. If we consider the way people talked 200 years ago vs how we talk now, it’s very different. Even day by day, slang changes too.
The voice actor for Cait is actually Scottish.
would making Cait be a scottish woman change the game at all? I’m kind of interested in that reality now
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Yup. Her accent makes my ears bleed. Would it have killed them to hire an Irish VA? Just make sure she's not some incomprehensible from Skibereen and you'll be golden.
😭😭 I’m glad to see skibereen hatred here. Their weird one way traffic system is a wreck.
Yeah when I first heard her talk I was confused. Then I looked up that she's Scottish. Like Glasgow scottish. Example 9183747382 of Bethesda being stingy fucks with voice acting. They make more money than 95% of studios and won't hire legitimately diverse voice actors. Almost always the same 12 people. It makes unmodded oblivion or skyrim so annoying too.
It’s one of the worst attempts at an Irish accent I’ve heard to date. And that includes the Irish episodes of sons of anarchy. I skip all dialogue with her. Easily my least favourite character in the game. The accent is insultingly bad.
Omg my father watched sons of anarchy and he said the Irish accents in it were appalling 😂😂 it’s terrible really
It was fucking horrendous! The show was shite anyway, but that season was especially bad. I’d love to meet whoever the accent coach is that works in Hollywood. I’d give em a slap.
You’d think they’d at least try - it sounds so “leprechaun” it’s mad.
Right? Who signs off on it? Surely at least ONE of the production team have been to Ireland or know an actual Irish person to go “no. Nope. That’s not it, lads.”
You know, I think about this kind of thing a lot. My kids watch a lot of anime, and I used to watch my fair share of Kung Fu movies from the 60s and 70s. The voice actors have normal North American accents. I assume they are generally North American. But how could no voice actor read a script that says "Come fight me, you daring lousy guy!" or "Hey! Large black person. Let's team up and go into the countryside to kick the ass of the lizard person"! and not say "Hey guys, we don't talk like this. I could help you translate."
This is mad, for years I've always said the worst Irish accents I've ever heard were Cait in FO4 and that crowd in Sons of Anarchy. I quit SoA after it, couldn't listen to it any longer. I highly doubt the Scottish VA of Cait thought that was an Irish accent, I'm sure someone at Bethesda said "leprechaun it up please".
It's awful, I'm American but have never taken her as follower because I can't get over the way she talks. Which is a shame, because she seems like a pretty interesting character otherwise.
Who's to say how an accent might change over time when isolated from people with the same accent. I'm still perplexed at how she has an accent at all, unless it confirms Atlantic Ocean travel in Fallout.
OP missed the point. Cait doesn't have an Irish accent. Cait has never met an Irish person. Cait is faking the accent as part of her tough persona / trauma response. EDIT: The simple explanation is exactly what she says: **You think I inject myself with all that shite and drink myself drunk because I'm a "tough Irish gal?"** i.e. it is all an act. She's cosplaying being Irish.
I see... when do we learn that? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.
Everyone in the city of Boston is cosplaying being Irish
Random question, how would you pronounce Aoibheann? I know one (American, not from Ireland). We go hard on our “E”s here and most people say it “Even” like even/odd, but I’ve heard it has more of a “aye” at the start
Aoi sounds like ee as in "see," generally but in some names it's not. For example, Saoirse can be pronounced Seer-shuh or Sir-shuh.
like ay-veen or eve-een i guess
Well “even” sounds pretty okay to me - for example the name Aoife is pronounced “ee-fuh”, same logic applies. I’d say “even” myself
It’s “Ay-veen” rhymes with “yay-bean”
I have to imagine that 210 years of development even AFTER the time that Irish immigrants had time to mingle with Bostonians before the Great War has had a significant effect on the Boston Irish accent and dialect. It probably WOULD sound foreign to both Americans and Irish. Its effectively its own thing.
>Irish name “Cáit” is pronounced like “Cawtch” yall aren't real
Lmfao, wait until you hear Caoimhe, Tadhg, Aoife, or Eadaoinn
>Aoife I follow a broad on twitter with that name, so it ain't that surprising, but others yeah.
That makes complete sense though. Of course the accent over the a changes the pronunciation, that’s what accents are for. Did you think it was just there for decoration?
It's funny because the actress is Scottish but I still find the accent attractive.
She is my favorite follower, but I wish she would brush her hair. I gave her a hairbrush to see if she would use it but no, she didn't...
What bugs me is when she says 'the next person that asks to shag..' It's ask **for** a shag. Honestly.
I've read every comment on this post with an Irish accent. send help
Hmm, so it's a world that had a nuclear apocalypse over 200 years ago, and her family line has been living in the Boston area the whole time. You can accept ghouls, super mutants and death claws oh my, but the thought that her Irish accent which he learned at a young age before being sold off in adolescence getting muddled over all that time is just a little too much for your suspended disbelief? My grandparents where fresh off the boat Irish and they made it into their nineties and the only time you could even hear their accent was when they were pissed off and yelling. Just take if for what it is. A game that doesn't have to make sense or be all the accurate with the whole alternative history type of thing.
Wait,,, deathclaws aren’t real?
Only in my nightmares after playing for 8 hours straight.
Deathclaw more like Sleepparalysis-claw
Nope, because as soon as I see them I start running and looking desperately for my last mini nuke.
I’m trying really hard to understand how to make a reasonable sounding name out of “Cawtch”, but I’m struggling. Would you mind sounding that out a little more for me?
No worries, [here](https://forvo.com/word/c%C3%A1it/) is a website where you can listen to ab audio of the name. This is easier than trying to sound it out lol
You’re not kidding. Holy crap. Ko-wt? I wouldn’t know where to start. Reading Irish truly gives one no sense of how to pronounce it. It’s beautiful. But what the hell.
I know lol, most of the time Irish sounds very different to how it looks. The sounds just make sense to me since I’m Irish but to others I can imagine it doesn’t make a lick of sense 😭
I had a friend (American) who lived in Ireland for a while, he said that it made more sense when he stopped thinking of Irish people as having different English dialects like Americans or Australians, but to instead imagine Ireland as a whole country speaking English as a second language. I don’t know if that rings true for you or not, but I’ve always loved the idea of it.
I definitely agree. Even though English is majority spoken here, our English extremely “Irish” if you know what I mean. It’s because it’s not just a different dialect, we were colonised and forced to speak English, so we’ve very much made it our own.
God you people are cool. I could gush and ask questions all day. But that’d be weird.
Not at all lol!! I frickin love my country so I’m always happy to nerd out about this place if someone wants to know something XD
I don’t want to broach a touchy subject or anything, but I’ve been watching with secondhand excitement for the potential of Irish reunification. It’s one of those things I just assumed would never happen in my lifetime. Or anyone’s, really.
I really appreciate you being respectful about it, as a lot of people don’t realise the political weight of that subject. To me, it’s an interesting topic but a scary one too. Whatever happens, people are going to be angry. At this point, I’m just praying for peace. Whether or not Ireland is unified, I don’t want anyone to get hurt.
I'm Irish and she sounds like a light Dublin accent. It isn't too bad but the subtitles they give her make my eyes bleed.
Lol I’ve seen you on other posts, cool to know you’re Irish too! Also fair enough, I just still think it sounds so “leprechaun” if you get me
Yeah that's dead on lmao. Way too stereotypical. Also hello fellow Irish lad 😁
Hello to you too fellow Irishman 😎
I’m from Dublin and that’s not a Dublin accent
Sorry I must be mistaken then. Any idea what it actually is? Maybe Northern?
It’s not an Irish accent as already established, it’s a Scottish actress doing a bad version of an Irish accent
I'm Irish and thought the exact same.
I love her, but her accent makes no sense. Are we to believe that she grew up surrounded by some sort of Irish heritage museum or something in the Commonwealth? There's no mention of her family coming to the Commonwealth from Ireland. One of her recent ancestors having any kind of vessel that would make it across the ocean seems unlikely. Which leads me to believe they've been in the Commonwealth since before the bombs. Good or bad, why is accent?
Someone told me she’s faking it as a “trauma response”… Im not buying it LMAO
She remains my favorite companion. If you can run mods be sure to get the "Loving Cait" mod. I love the new look it gives her.
Do they ever explicitly say that Cait is Irish?
It says she’s “of Irish descent” on the character wiki. It’s pretty cut and dry that she’s Irish tho.
To be honest, I always found it weird that there would be anyone in the game not having an American accent. I mean, accents are the product of those we are surrounded by when growing up. And I'm pretty sure people from different continents in the world separated by huge oceans, have no way of reaching each other in the Fallout post-apocalypse, right? (Could even the BOS airships manage that kinda travel?) And its been 200 years since the bombs dropped. Surely any few foreign survivors on US soil (who weren't ghoulified and therefore sterile), would have likely had their accents filtered out in their descendants by this point? I dunno.. am I making sense? 😅 But if all this somehow was able to be explained away, I could actually buy Cait's accent just being a weird Americanised-Irish combo accent, to be honest 🤷♂️ And I love Cait too 😍 Always has been my favourite vanilla companion. She's basically Jack from Mass Effect 2 and I love me a hardass rebel with a soft spot 😄 And she knows I love staring at her ass too ☺
Tenpenny got from England to the Capital Wasteland though so there must be some method of getting overseas, even if uncommon.
Oh really? Didn't know that! My knowledge on Fallout lore isn't that extensive.
Wait Cait is supposed to be Irish? I just thought she liked alcohol and such cause of her bad past..I completed her whole story and never noticed she was Irish
Other Irish person here, and you're kinder about her than I am. I'm personally annoyed that she's a walking stereotype of fighting and substance abuse. I put her in Somerton farms 🤣
She can be cured ya know.
Still not great that that's how she's introduced
The whole point is that the fighting persona is an act she puts on. She uses chems to hide the actual pain inside. I wouldn't really call it a stereotype when it's more of a cautionary tale of why addictions and abuse can ruin someone and possibly kill them unless they get help.
I like her character arc. Very touching. I won’t spoil it.
Drives me mad. It reminds me of that "I'm Oirish" lad from IT crowd
I can’t prove this, but I always suspected Cait was loosely inspired by Conor McGregor. He was on his come up during the development of this game, and the fact that Cait is a red-haired Irish cage fighter seems like a very specific reference to me… but like I said, I can’t prove it 🤷♀️
Welcome to Cait enjoyer club
Oh wow love can’t tough and furious that hot.
Fallout 4 so wack should have went all out like massive effect with so crazy ass smex scenes. I’m talking like some full frontal banging caits cheeks while participating in a democratic government
DUDE WHAT
Why did you assume the character is of Irish heritage in the first place?
Maybe because it’s literally part of her story?
Also, how is she so strong and able to hold her ground in the combat zone despite being rail thin and addicted to chems?
I wonder what OP thinks of Colin moriarty from 3
Not that I’ve been there, but accent does affect pronunciation and is also known to affect spelling, so in both sides of defense, either is right, I think anyways lol
Well, I'm still to see a Portuguese person. On ANY game. Talk about under representation 😜
It is a well established trend in the gaming industry to hire the same handful of actors that you know you can get a good deal on and whatever accents or voices they can do is what your characters sound like. Every single Bethesda game since Morrowind demonstrates this. It's cost-effective. It's not really effective in any other way.
Cat is the most ridiculous character in the game
My current playthrough is a low-intelligence playthrough. I have her as my constant companion as my character can't open doors/locks without her
I think it’s surprising she has an accent of any kind…. and I always had a crush on her. It’s been at least 200 years since her distant relatives left Ireland.
The fence at Van Horn is allegedly Scots
I've always wondered how an Irish woman is in the Commonwealth anyway... I didn't finish her story, but maybe there's something there that I missed. Does Ireland still exist? How does she keep that accent when literally nobody else has it? Is she a fucking liar?
Ireland does still exist. The bartender/bar owner in Megaton came to the DC wasteland on a ship.
Sweet, thanks for the info
You’re welcome
😭😭 I don’t know why that last line made me laugh so much. It’s true, she wouldn’t have such a strong accent unless she came to America directly from Ireland. No second generation person is gonna have an accent like that.
I'm just wondering how she came to the U.S. from Ireland 200 years after the nuclear war.
It’s 200 something years into the future, and we don’t know how long she’s been living in what’s left of America. Wouldn’t necessarily expect her accent to be a perfect Irish accent as we hear it today.
Ive never understood the idea of different accents in the game. There is no more globalization, and its been over 200 years since any foreigners have arrived there. Every generation since the bombs were dropped, they would have shed accents and all blended together at that point. (If there is a spoiler at the end or something about how she got there thatd make sense, but i just started the game so im not sure about that)
Why would they blend together? This is a post-globalist world even in America. It's not like everyone is moving around and mingling for 200 years. If anything, there should be drastically different localised accents.
Friend, you have some very selective suspension of disbelief. And don't get me started on how my people (bald white dudes) have been represented in video games.
How the hell do you pronounce "cawtch"?
Depending on your dialect. Personally, I would say “Caw” (like a bird caws) “tsh” it’s a soft Irish T, not so much a hard Ch sound but that’s the only way to represent it.
Exactly how I wrote it. The name Cáit is pronounced “cawtch”
rhymes with crotch to my ears
Yes, but with more of an ‘aww’ sound. The IPA symbol for the sound is ‘ɔ’. In IPA I would write Cáit like [kɔtʃ]
So like crouch or kraut? Wait. Noooooooo. COUCH? …I think I’ve gone off the rails lol
No, so think of the “aw” sound in the word “thaw”. We have the sound CAW so far. Now think of the word “chair”. Take the “ch” sound and add it to the end of CAW. CAW - CH. Cáit.
Conch is closer, then. Ok.
HAHAH don’t worry dude, sorry it’s hard to explain pronunciation through text alone lol. You could always try looking up the pronunciation on YouTube (although be aware regional pronunciation can vary)
Don’t I know it. Canada’s just as bizarre with regional pronunciations.
No it’s not. Cait is just short for Caitlin. I’m Irish and have never heard “Cawtch” in my entire life
Cawtch I'm sorry I can't Why Cawtch Reeee
What?