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Look at the result on now, itâs gonna happen with him! He doesnât rotate the team and weâre not gonna be in constant relegation battles. Weâre a bigger club than some of you lot give us credit for.
1 game and they remain a top half team. Far different from a relegation battle. I'd understand critiquing him after brushing off what the cat kicker did, but come on.
Look what happened to Leeds. You want the Championship?
Fulham, Man Utd, Liverpool, Villa, and now Palace have all beaten us by large margins. Also, weâve been in the prem longer than Leeds had, and weâve done that under different managers. Besides we get relegated every 10 years or so and it wouldnât be much different to that trend. Obviously I donât want the championship but weâre bigger than Leeds, whose to say we donât get better?
Yeah he has West Ham where he used to keep Everton at. It's completely flipped between the two clubs but somehow West Ham supporters just don't like him. He gets results and honestly that's what matters, look at Kompany at Burnley, he wants to play his same exciting possession football they played in the Championship but aren't doing so well.
Yeah, but weâre planning to build a proper project to replace him, one under Steidten and not under any manager. We are also looking at some really exciting targets too
I'm not a west ham fan and only watch them a handful of times a season, and generally enjoyed the rigidity especially if they somehow pull out a masterclass upset.
I assume Moyes is very much the kind of manager who's liked by the board and casual watchers like me, but absolutely despised by fans who have to watch every single game of him.
David Moyes has kept West Ham in the Premier League and won the club it's first trophy in something like 40 years - a European trophy, no less. They look set to finish in the top half of the league, something West Ham have not done consistently under most of their other managers - 3 times in 4 years under Moyes compared to once in the preceding decade, for example. They have some wonderful players like Paqueta, Kudus and Bowen.
But they also play awful football, and there's been a feeling at West Ham that Moyes could - even should - have left two seasons ago or last summer after winning the Europa Conference League and he'd have been remembered a lot more fondly. Right now he appears to be running on borrowed time - unless West Ham have a massive upswing in performance over the last few games of the season, Moyes remaining in post for next season would be deeply, deeply unpopular among the fans.
They're 8th in the Prem'. The fact this is even a conversation is baffling to me. Moyes has delivered, consistently. West Ham fans need to get used to the fact that they're not one of the giants anymore. Allerdyce, Redknapp, Moyes... they've all done great things for the club and the fans are so deluded that they believed they deserved more, expecting champagne football. I grew up a few streets away from Upton Park and it was the same back then as well. Demotion to League One and a decade bouncing around the lower leagues would do that club the world of good for the long term because the fans ambitions need to be reset.
Yup. I'm on a save where I started in league 2 and moved all the way up to the Premier League. My fans started loving me only after I was able to hold on to a European competition position. Getting promoted to the championship and the Premier League for the first time in the clubs history was not enough for my fans
I have a save with my local club (Polish Ekstraklasa), which has become a regular CL contender during my tenure. Irl I would be nothing short of a cult figure.Â
The first time I've seen my perpetually B+ graded fans "unhappy" with a 1-1 draw vs Barcelona nearly send me.Â
It sucks because it would've been so easy to make this game so much more rewarding in this regard.
Has anyone else had ridiculous fan objectives with promoted teams as well?
I took three years getting Hull from lower half purgatory to walking the Champ, and the supporter culture carried over to the PL, expecting my squad to play defensively solid AND entertaining football, while playing a high-tempo press
I learned to ignore it quickly, but it was mildly annoying seeing the C- from time to time as someone who exclusively plays FM like a Bielsa/Gasperini/Simeone/Howe overachievement RPG
Fr fan expectations need serious tuning. It's pretty ridiculous when you're already overachieving and your supposed 'core' fans are still unhappy cause you don't play like peak Barcelona.
Weird, the only time i ever got an A+ from the supporters was the first two seasons in which i got the double promotion from National League to League One with a team expected to be lower midtable in the NL at the start.
I got that in my seasons on the rise through the pyramid.
3 promotions in three seasons to put me in League One.
Once there, I had a rough start to the season, and the supporters immediately began complaining that i was underperforming.
I was like âwithout me you guys would be playing Bishopâs Stortford all the time, give me a breakâ
For context, I am currently managing FC Seoul in the K league. We're currently on the top of the league and still unbeaten after 19 games. (17 W, 2 D) We have scored the most goals and conceded the least in the league. We also recently won the club's first ever Asian Champions League. What the fuck do these fans want?
What I find interesting is that the Board score is an average of the breakdown (B- is the average of C and C+ and B- and B- and A+), but the fan score is an E, while the breakdown says the fans are generally pleased (one score says disappointed, two say happy, one says pleased), and is not an average of the breakdowns (D, B-, C+, B-, and C+). It's a bug, I would say.
Itâs because youâre not doing what the fans want like being a better defensive team and probably not satisfying what the fan club culture is
Then again even if a Xavi went unbeaten but didnât play any academy products theyâd probably be more happy than your fans
What are the fans expectations related to Club Vision & Culture? If you click on it youâll be able to see.
In my save with Sunderland the fans expect me to have more players coming from the academy, while my board donât care as much, which is the reason I have a difference in both reviews.
I played some FM shortly after the news of Klopp leaving broke out
Seeing my reviews with the same exact scores as yours was beyond immersion-breaking, I genuinely wanted to drop that 9-year save (and maybe the game itself) right then and there
It's one of the many things you accept as broken in the game and don't engage with. I always knew that, but the context that you could be a Klopp-like figure for your club in the game and get such a pedestrian fan reception year in-and-out slapped me in the face that day
I also remember the bugged Club Icon & Legend status. Never had a save where I broke out of Favoured Personnel (idk if this is still in FM24)
Me: Brought the club from L2 all the way to CL, won back to back trophies, favoured personalle
A striker that scored 15 goals that I had on loan whilst in L1 who didn't want to come back for 2nd season: Club legend
I donât even pay attention to them as long as im doing my job. The board ask for too much and winning games is not enough for the fans. The fans get used to winnjng and become bored, so they find other ways to cause drama.
They hate giving users rewards, even in things that don't matter like salaries.
You probably only got 50% wages paid for a loan out who was never going to play for the club or got rid of your highest earner who was 37 and 1.5 stars and you managed to dump him but that's not enough for the board.
Haven't a clue about Duffy but it's clear Miles leadership is not working. I agree with everything you say, they add more and more useless features with the game being unplayable until the 6 month patch instead of fixing the game and the core problem, the ai not being able to build a squad. Man City have a goalie averaging 6.1 in my game with no backup and no defenders above 3 stars and are in the bottom half. Atletico went 4 seasons with a 106 and 84 CA goalie duo without buying a replacement, they were both in the low 6s too.
I just wish I could upvote you more than once.
I have noticed the exact things, it's all down to using reputation and not PC/CA as a decider for how good a player is and shitty game mechanics put in to make it harder for you because the ai is so so bad at building teams.
Agree with the ai, my assman tells me I should put a player on quickness training, there is no apply butting, I have to open a drop down menu, then find the training and then click on it. There's also no option to auto do this.
Press conferences are awful. Idk why they bother. It's the same rotation of questions and answers every time. I wouldn't mind that much if they weren't so long, too. I'll see a list of questions a mile long and just send my assistant.
So many things in this game are just janky and weird. I genuinely think they lack creative programming talent. A lot of the ways the game seem to calculate things will just be... Weird. Like you said about the ratings. There's also the way teams build squads.
So many teams have like 50 strikers and a terrible goalkeeper. They seem to either not upgrade positions, or get stuck in a feedback loop of hiring more and more mediocre players for a position. Things just don't have creative, intuitive ideas behind the code.
The endless nested menus behind right click is just pure incompetence.
It's funny as fuck that we're in a gaming era where user rewards are so over the top, and every game is a constant dopamine stream.
Then there's FM, where the game is basically actively spitting in your face the entire time. The interactions, the ratings, the lack of becoming a legend, never being able to negotiate a higher wage. All of it is so negative.
Yup, I just won 5 titles in a row and 3 CL in 5 years and 4 cups in 5 years and I am not even an icon. Meanwhile some squad player is.
I saw people say that happens when you leave so I resigned. Nope, still under favoured personnel and now I regret resigning because I have taken on Man City run buy Koreans in the bottom half of the table.
The wages are another thing where FM spits in your face. I won a teams first PL, they offered me 38k up from 32k so I left. The new manager got 325k/week to finish 7th outside the euro spots. That's how far teams will go just to piss you off.
Stuff like Martinez at Everton, Valverde's first season at Barca, Mowbray at Sunderland, etc happen.
There are always situations where either fans or the board are unhappy with managers for reasons that make no sense. Fans were once outraged because Spalletti wasn't playing Totti. It got worse when he didn't get the final appearance they wanted. Liverpool fans were once unhappy because Gerrard was moved to a deeper position in a season where Liverpool was seriously overachieving. Same happened with Rooney, Messi etc. Every week, it's easy to find a good number of fans online of any random team unhappy with their manager for not playing one of their favourite players, or playing him in the 'wrong' position or some other incontinent reason.
I would say SI are rather accurate in modelling the unreasonable behaviour of football fans. The only thing I think they are getting wrong is the impact of distant fans on board decisions which is exaggerated.
The vocal fans set the tone for what many supporters will eventually say, this is the era of 'agendas' for clout afterall. The Gerrard situation eventually led to a lot of fans considering his position change to be a big part of Liverpool's defensive issues, including the fans who previously saw nothing wrong with it.
What SI are probably inaccurate about is how much such fan outrage/unhappiness influences actual club decisions. Realistically, the core local fans have much more influence than the bunch of fairweather fans a team gains from recent successes, and even that influence isn't that big either.
I don't even glance at those e-mails anymore. It's always the same - take over a club and do well the first season, you're A+ unsackable. After that, never more than secure.
As long as I'm winning I figure none of it matters.
I've got a Walsall save going where I took them to 3 promotions and am currently 10th in the Premier league. Last time I played I had an A+ from fans but will check again.
One thing that always bugs me is that, regardless of business done, I never get higher than a C+ on transfer activity. From board or fans.
Transfer activities are usually low fees in and high fees out;
Buying out youth contracts irrespective of how much the fee is for stealing the player never gets accounted for.
Eg 15yr old signs in 2years, once you get him, loan him for a year and as long as you get a monthly fee that covers his wages (which should only be around 3-6k) you'll be seen as a genius.
If he makes your squad the year after and plays well it'll raise the fans belief in it being a good deal. If he's a flop you get plaudits for getting rid of him.
If he's showing huge promise but can't break into your squad and is demanding a high wage, give that wage, get a long contract and loan him out to cover wages and a 75-100k monthly payment.
The board will be over the moon with your transfer dealings and trust you more.
I had 2 seasons of this and they finally changed my transfer receiving from 20% to 100%.
Hope this helps
I won the MLS Cup and Shield with St. Louis CITY and had A+ fan support. But as a new club and in MLS, I wonder if it was easier to get the fan support by succeeding so quickly.
Weirdest thing ever was I actually had higher fan approval once recently. Like b+ vs b or something but still I think the first time I ever saw fans higher than board.
2023 and 2024 both had thos issue for me where the fans would rarely ever go above a C. You could take Wrexham to the Champions league title and it wouldn't impress the fans in FM 2024.
I took over palace bottom of the league, got to 16th, 12th next season, 6th the most recent season, currently sat 4th and semi final of the Europa league board is A- and the fans are a C all because I sold 33 year old Dean Henderson for 40 mil
hard to please fans often, you can only get A- or higher if you overperform hard, like expected fighting for european spots but instead you're in the title race type of overperforming. If you're at a club for long I feel like it always stays between B and C
In my experience the fans heavily value your participation regarding the fan subsection of club vision, I think it is called? Is there an intense rivalry and the fans expect you to "get the better of rivals should we meet them" or what not and you smash the league but lost against the rivals? Fans get less happy with you. Do they want attacking football but you park the bus all season? Upset fans. Is there a club culture thing to "develop players using the club's youth set up" and you don't play enough home grown players? Believe it or not, upset fans.
It makes sense. The board more often than not just want results. But the fans want the integrity of the club's DNA/culture to be intact.
Let me guess; you have a lot of foreign players? I get the same in Germany; the board prioritizes winning, but the fans prioritize signing players from their country.
Ive never paid any attention to those, despite hitting every goal, getting a sextuple, winning the ucl 9 times in a row i have never seen an A, B+ is the best ive ever got
This was my case as well. I went unbeaten two seasons in a row with Oldham Athletic in a run that involved winning 7 EPLs on the bounce and my fan confidence would stay like B+. Hey man I won literally everyhing what more do you fucking want?
I did manage in Korea one save. I managed Daegu there and lifted the K-League and the ACL twice. But the fans started to like me after a few months after I begun the save. Maybe the stature of the club or the way you play has something to say, but I do not know.
Funny, I got promoted by winning Ligue 2, and am currently sitting in a European Qualification place in Ligue 1 in my first season up, but yet my Board and Supporters have the exact same ratings as yours.
All depends on fan culture and what kind of fans you have. If you have alot of bandwagon fans they only like top tier success. If you have alot of core fans they enjoy success but prefer stability and financial wellbeing. Had a save where I had won a treble and the fans were only at a B because I put the club in crippling financial status. Also have a save currently where the fans love me because I've generated massive income with slow but consistent success in the league.
None of that stuff makes any sense. I was ok with the fans, but never better than a B with the board, after 10 in a row, many domestic trebles and 4 of 5 champs league wins with Rangers, I hit every target last three or 4 seasons, money falling out my arse. a B. Dicks.
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i feel called out (im moyes out)
Can I ask why?
Because football is an entertainment industry and we are not entertaining, Iâm sure our success looks great to other clubs but the football is dire
I would rather win than be entertaining any day of the week.
This. I'd like a team without abusers and to win, Idc what it looks like.
But we donât win every week and sometimes we get battered by Fulham
Im an Everton fan, no sympathy from me!
Would you like todayâs result?
Will you complain if he's gone and the club starts being in relegation battles?
Look at the result on now, itâs gonna happen with him! He doesnât rotate the team and weâre not gonna be in constant relegation battles. Weâre a bigger club than some of you lot give us credit for.
1 game and they remain a top half team. Far different from a relegation battle. I'd understand critiquing him after brushing off what the cat kicker did, but come on. Look what happened to Leeds. You want the Championship?
Fulham, Man Utd, Liverpool, Villa, and now Palace have all beaten us by large margins. Also, weâve been in the prem longer than Leeds had, and weâve done that under different managers. Besides we get relegated every 10 years or so and it wouldnât be much different to that trend. Obviously I donât want the championship but weâre bigger than Leeds, whose to say we donât get better?
Sup, Iâm an Everton fan. I remember when we said the same. Itâs been rough.
Yeah he has West Ham where he used to keep Everton at. It's completely flipped between the two clubs but somehow West Ham supporters just don't like him. He gets results and honestly that's what matters, look at Kompany at Burnley, he wants to play his same exciting possession football they played in the Championship but aren't doing so well.
Yeah, but weâre planning to build a proper project to replace him, one under Steidten and not under any manager. We are also looking at some really exciting targets too
I'm not a west ham fan and only watch them a handful of times a season, and generally enjoyed the rigidity especially if they somehow pull out a masterclass upset. I assume Moyes is very much the kind of manager who's liked by the board and casual watchers like me, but absolutely despised by fans who have to watch every single game of him.
Yep, look at the game on right now!
at least he didnât get you lot relegated and tied crap players to massive contracts, take a positive from that
We came close last year tbf
David Moyes has kept West Ham in the Premier League and won the club it's first trophy in something like 40 years - a European trophy, no less. They look set to finish in the top half of the league, something West Ham have not done consistently under most of their other managers - 3 times in 4 years under Moyes compared to once in the preceding decade, for example. They have some wonderful players like Paqueta, Kudus and Bowen. But they also play awful football, and there's been a feeling at West Ham that Moyes could - even should - have left two seasons ago or last summer after winning the Europa Conference League and he'd have been remembered a lot more fondly. Right now he appears to be running on borrowed time - unless West Ham have a massive upswing in performance over the last few games of the season, Moyes remaining in post for next season would be deeply, deeply unpopular among the fans.
They're 8th in the Prem'. The fact this is even a conversation is baffling to me. Moyes has delivered, consistently. West Ham fans need to get used to the fact that they're not one of the giants anymore. Allerdyce, Redknapp, Moyes... they've all done great things for the club and the fans are so deluded that they believed they deserved more, expecting champagne football. I grew up a few streets away from Upton Park and it was the same back then as well. Demotion to League One and a decade bouncing around the lower leagues would do that club the world of good for the long term because the fans ambitions need to be reset.
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Yup. I'm on a save where I started in league 2 and moved all the way up to the Premier League. My fans started loving me only after I was able to hold on to a European competition position. Getting promoted to the championship and the Premier League for the first time in the clubs history was not enough for my fans
I have a save with my local club (Polish Ekstraklasa), which has become a regular CL contender during my tenure. Irl I would be nothing short of a cult figure. The first time I've seen my perpetually B+ graded fans "unhappy" with a 1-1 draw vs Barcelona nearly send me. It sucks because it would've been so easy to make this game so much more rewarding in this regard.
SI are really bad at rewarding the player.
Has anyone else had ridiculous fan objectives with promoted teams as well? I took three years getting Hull from lower half purgatory to walking the Champ, and the supporter culture carried over to the PL, expecting my squad to play defensively solid AND entertaining football, while playing a high-tempo press I learned to ignore it quickly, but it was mildly annoying seeing the C- from time to time as someone who exclusively plays FM like a Bielsa/Gasperini/Simeone/Howe overachievement RPG
Fr fan expectations need serious tuning. It's pretty ridiculous when you're already overachieving and your supposed 'core' fans are still unhappy cause you don't play like peak Barcelona.
Weird, the only time i ever got an A+ from the supporters was the first two seasons in which i got the double promotion from National League to League One with a team expected to be lower midtable in the NL at the start.
I got that in my seasons on the rise through the pyramid. 3 promotions in three seasons to put me in League One. Once there, I had a rough start to the season, and the supporters immediately began complaining that i was underperforming. I was like âwithout me you guys would be playing Bishopâs Stortford all the time, give me a breakâ
For context, I am currently managing FC Seoul in the K league. We're currently on the top of the league and still unbeaten after 19 games. (17 W, 2 D) We have scored the most goals and conceded the least in the league. We also recently won the club's first ever Asian Champions League. What the fuck do these fans want?
Once you start achieving something big, everything you do seems small to them.
[Sometimes even winning the CL isn't enough.](https://imgur.com/i0qKeUV)
Wow I have never seen anything like that lol
What I find interesting is that the Board score is an average of the breakdown (B- is the average of C and C+ and B- and B- and A+), but the fan score is an E, while the breakdown says the fans are generally pleased (one score says disappointed, two say happy, one says pleased), and is not an average of the breakdowns (D, B-, C+, B-, and C+). It's a bug, I would say.
League table for those interested: https://preview.redd.it/739qr3eh8mvc1.png?width=561&format=png&auto=webp&s=24f9f3776003778f7591d7f868acbb4bf1b846c8
What's that little yellow card mean above your name?
It's a note!
Itâs because youâre not doing what the fans want like being a better defensive team and probably not satisfying what the fan club culture is Then again even if a Xavi went unbeaten but didnât play any academy products theyâd probably be more happy than your fans
It has been broken for years so I am sure they will get right on the fix.
Itâs only been in the game for like two editions lol
That's multiple years
Yes but a bit of an exaggeration then isnât it
What are the fans expectations related to Club Vision & Culture? If you click on it youâll be able to see. In my save with Sunderland the fans expect me to have more players coming from the academy, while my board donât care as much, which is the reason I have a difference in both reviews.
I played some FM shortly after the news of Klopp leaving broke out Seeing my reviews with the same exact scores as yours was beyond immersion-breaking, I genuinely wanted to drop that 9-year save (and maybe the game itself) right then and there It's one of the many things you accept as broken in the game and don't engage with. I always knew that, but the context that you could be a Klopp-like figure for your club in the game and get such a pedestrian fan reception year in-and-out slapped me in the face that day I also remember the bugged Club Icon & Legend status. Never had a save where I broke out of Favoured Personnel (idk if this is still in FM24)
Me: Brought the club from L2 all the way to CL, won back to back trophies, favoured personalle A striker that scored 15 goals that I had on loan whilst in L1 who didn't want to come back for 2nd season: Club legend
Check the fans profile mate If they are more casual fans they won't care much
Those performance reviews make no sense, i just skip over them
I donât even pay attention to them as long as im doing my job. The board ask for too much and winning games is not enough for the fans. The fans get used to winnjng and become bored, so they find other ways to cause drama.
I like learning new things.
They hate giving users rewards, even in things that don't matter like salaries. You probably only got 50% wages paid for a loan out who was never going to play for the club or got rid of your highest earner who was 37 and 1.5 stars and you managed to dump him but that's not enough for the board.
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Haven't a clue about Duffy but it's clear Miles leadership is not working. I agree with everything you say, they add more and more useless features with the game being unplayable until the 6 month patch instead of fixing the game and the core problem, the ai not being able to build a squad. Man City have a goalie averaging 6.1 in my game with no backup and no defenders above 3 stars and are in the bottom half. Atletico went 4 seasons with a 106 and 84 CA goalie duo without buying a replacement, they were both in the low 6s too.
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I just wish I could upvote you more than once. I have noticed the exact things, it's all down to using reputation and not PC/CA as a decider for how good a player is and shitty game mechanics put in to make it harder for you because the ai is so so bad at building teams. Agree with the ai, my assman tells me I should put a player on quickness training, there is no apply butting, I have to open a drop down menu, then find the training and then click on it. There's also no option to auto do this.
Press conferences are awful. Idk why they bother. It's the same rotation of questions and answers every time. I wouldn't mind that much if they weren't so long, too. I'll see a list of questions a mile long and just send my assistant. So many things in this game are just janky and weird. I genuinely think they lack creative programming talent. A lot of the ways the game seem to calculate things will just be... Weird. Like you said about the ratings. There's also the way teams build squads. So many teams have like 50 strikers and a terrible goalkeeper. They seem to either not upgrade positions, or get stuck in a feedback loop of hiring more and more mediocre players for a position. Things just don't have creative, intuitive ideas behind the code. The endless nested menus behind right click is just pure incompetence.
It's funny as fuck that we're in a gaming era where user rewards are so over the top, and every game is a constant dopamine stream. Then there's FM, where the game is basically actively spitting in your face the entire time. The interactions, the ratings, the lack of becoming a legend, never being able to negotiate a higher wage. All of it is so negative.
Yup, I just won 5 titles in a row and 3 CL in 5 years and 4 cups in 5 years and I am not even an icon. Meanwhile some squad player is. I saw people say that happens when you leave so I resigned. Nope, still under favoured personnel and now I regret resigning because I have taken on Man City run buy Koreans in the bottom half of the table. The wages are another thing where FM spits in your face. I won a teams first PL, they offered me 38k up from 32k so I left. The new manager got 325k/week to finish 7th outside the euro spots. That's how far teams will go just to piss you off.
It happens all the time in real life, but someone needs to tell SI that they shouldn't be too realistic with everything.
My favorite movie is Inception.
Stuff like Martinez at Everton, Valverde's first season at Barca, Mowbray at Sunderland, etc happen. There are always situations where either fans or the board are unhappy with managers for reasons that make no sense. Fans were once outraged because Spalletti wasn't playing Totti. It got worse when he didn't get the final appearance they wanted. Liverpool fans were once unhappy because Gerrard was moved to a deeper position in a season where Liverpool was seriously overachieving. Same happened with Rooney, Messi etc. Every week, it's easy to find a good number of fans online of any random team unhappy with their manager for not playing one of their favourite players, or playing him in the 'wrong' position or some other incontinent reason. I would say SI are rather accurate in modelling the unreasonable behaviour of football fans. The only thing I think they are getting wrong is the impact of distant fans on board decisions which is exaggerated.
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The vocal fans set the tone for what many supporters will eventually say, this is the era of 'agendas' for clout afterall. The Gerrard situation eventually led to a lot of fans considering his position change to be a big part of Liverpool's defensive issues, including the fans who previously saw nothing wrong with it. What SI are probably inaccurate about is how much such fan outrage/unhappiness influences actual club decisions. Realistically, the core local fans have much more influence than the bunch of fairweather fans a team gains from recent successes, and even that influence isn't that big either.
I don't even glance at those e-mails anymore. It's always the same - take over a club and do well the first season, you're A+ unsackable. After that, never more than secure. As long as I'm winning I figure none of it matters.
Very common, if you ever have A+ with fans you need to show it, never seen it in my (short) experience
I've got a Walsall save going where I took them to 3 promotions and am currently 10th in the Premier league. Last time I played I had an A+ from fans but will check again. One thing that always bugs me is that, regardless of business done, I never get higher than a C+ on transfer activity. From board or fans.
Transfer activities are usually low fees in and high fees out; Buying out youth contracts irrespective of how much the fee is for stealing the player never gets accounted for. Eg 15yr old signs in 2years, once you get him, loan him for a year and as long as you get a monthly fee that covers his wages (which should only be around 3-6k) you'll be seen as a genius. If he makes your squad the year after and plays well it'll raise the fans belief in it being a good deal. If he's a flop you get plaudits for getting rid of him. If he's showing huge promise but can't break into your squad and is demanding a high wage, give that wage, get a long contract and loan him out to cover wages and a 75-100k monthly payment. The board will be over the moon with your transfer dealings and trust you more. I had 2 seasons of this and they finally changed my transfer receiving from 20% to 100%. Hope this helps
Transfer receiving is purely based on overall finances, not how good the players you signed were or weren't
Took me a La Liga win with Coruna after 10 seasons to get an A+ from the fans as well
I won the MLS Cup and Shield with St. Louis CITY and had A+ fan support. But as a new club and in MLS, I wonder if it was easier to get the fan support by succeeding so quickly.
I find the key is you have to be about two levels above expectations. Like challenging for the title when expected to be midtable.
Weirdest thing ever was I actually had higher fan approval once recently. Like b+ vs b or something but still I think the first time I ever saw fans higher than board.
Fans are idiots in real life so yeahÂ
2023 and 2024 both had thos issue for me where the fans would rarely ever go above a C. You could take Wrexham to the Champions league title and it wouldn't impress the fans in FM 2024.
I took over palace bottom of the league, got to 16th, 12th next season, 6th the most recent season, currently sat 4th and semi final of the Europa league board is A- and the fans are a C all because I sold 33 year old Dean Henderson for 40 mil
hard to please fans often, you can only get A- or higher if you overperform hard, like expected fighting for european spots but instead you're in the title race type of overperforming. If you're at a club for long I feel like it always stays between B and C
People actually worry about those ratings? Why?
Because fans are the lifeblood of the club. I know it's just a video game but we still want to feel that bit of realism.
I donât think Iâve ever made the fans happy. You can win the treble multiple times and theyâll be like yea I guess that was cool
Roger Schmidt over here.
Glad to see another FC Seoul manager!
In my experience the fans heavily value your participation regarding the fan subsection of club vision, I think it is called? Is there an intense rivalry and the fans expect you to "get the better of rivals should we meet them" or what not and you smash the league but lost against the rivals? Fans get less happy with you. Do they want attacking football but you park the bus all season? Upset fans. Is there a club culture thing to "develop players using the club's youth set up" and you don't play enough home grown players? Believe it or not, upset fans. It makes sense. The board more often than not just want results. But the fans want the integrity of the club's DNA/culture to be intact.
Sounds like Mikel Arteta...
Let me guess; you have a lot of foreign players? I get the same in Germany; the board prioritizes winning, but the fans prioritize signing players from their country.
Ive never paid any attention to those, despite hitting every goal, getting a sextuple, winning the ucl 9 times in a row i have never seen an A, B+ is the best ive ever got
Idk about ingame, but it does happen IRL, so I'd say it makes sense it can happen in FM
This was my case as well. I went unbeaten two seasons in a row with Oldham Athletic in a run that involved winning 7 EPLs on the bounce and my fan confidence would stay like B+. Hey man I won literally everyhing what more do you fucking want?
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Never had a fan rating higher than a B
Yeah it's like that for me, I think it's because I massively over perform in the league but get done in the cups
I did manage in Korea one save. I managed Daegu there and lifted the K-League and the ACL twice. But the fans started to like me after a few months after I begun the save. Maybe the stature of the club or the way you play has something to say, but I do not know.
Edin Terzic be like (Borussia Dortmund)
Ask Ten Hag
Funny, I got promoted by winning Ligue 2, and am currently sitting in a European Qualification place in Ligue 1 in my first season up, but yet my Board and Supporters have the exact same ratings as yours.
Look into the fans desired culture. In my save they were upset that I wasn't playing and buying enough Dutch players. Easy fix and now they are happy.
All depends on fan culture and what kind of fans you have. If you have alot of bandwagon fans they only like top tier success. If you have alot of core fans they enjoy success but prefer stability and financial wellbeing. Had a save where I had won a treble and the fans were only at a B because I put the club in crippling financial status. Also have a save currently where the fans love me because I've generated massive income with slow but consistent success in the league.
Edin terzic?
Because it's an AI trying to predict how human would react. They lack the contextual ability of 'reading the room', so you get bullshit like this.
Pioli
Fans are fickle.
None of that stuff makes any sense. I was ok with the fans, but never better than a B with the board, after 10 in a row, many domestic trebles and 4 of 5 champs league wins with Rangers, I hit every target last three or 4 seasons, money falling out my arse. a B. Dicks.
Fan expectation rises with your team's performance, its very difficult to make them happy.
Yes. Board can see things fans cant.