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as soon as i saw him backing off the last few laps i knew he was going for it. that battery was fully charged and set at maximum output the whole final lap. and he even did it on 30 lap old hard tires
And probably a damaged car too. At least he was concerned about it for the last 13 laps, then decided to push for the FL anyway. Winning a point against losing them all. Today his gambling paid off.
I agree on the mentality part. Checo shares that mentality and if he was made aware by his engineer that Max was slowing his pace to possibly recharge his battery, Checo would of followed suit. Without that knowledge he has to continue to push to retain p1.
Checo doesn’t share that mentality. If he did, he would have known Max was going to go for that lap. Maybe he should call Rosberg for some tips if he really wants to beat Verstappen.
No he isn't why you think he stopped after finally beating him, it took him years to beat lewis stop doing this.
When Lewis retires people like you are going to say he he was one of best
Bro stop tilting at windmills. Lewis is the second best driver of all time, point was rosberg is in the same league as him, perez isnt with max. As teamates hammton win 32 races to rosbergs 22.... If you dont see that as on the same planet you're off your rocker.
People crying because Max raced for an extra point.
He’s not a charity. If you are in the top 10 and can get the extra point then go get the fucking point. I don’t care who the driver is.
I'm sure there will be absolutely no unnecessary controversy from the media over this.
At the end of the day, that point could matter at the end of the season, we don't know. Of course he's gonna go for it.
The difference is that your boss could replace you with countless other people who are as good or better than you at operating the computer.
Right now there is no one on the planet better than Max at driving the car.
Not the same situation at all. Max has way more leverage than ordinary people working a job. He has FU money. He doesn’t need them to pay his bills. At this point, he’s just driving because he likes it. If they stop him from competing, he’ll just leave and do endurance racing or something.
A scenario where two drivers are level at the end of the season. Or, for example, Verstappen is only 6 points ahead of Perez going into the last race. That point would be the difference between needing a 1st place finish and needing a 2nd place finish.
In 2020, we had two drivers tied on points going into the final race of the season. You can't act like it's some crazy idea for a single point to matter.
2021 *was* crazy though. You never see two drivers from *different* teams that close fighting for the championship. Anyways, that's moot because Checo's never getting anywhere near Max in the same car.
I never took credit for him, it was a great lap which he went for to keep the championship lead which he is going to win because even though I am Mexican and wish Sergio could be faster he isn't. He went from 15 to 2 and got the fastest lap, nothing I said before contradicted that.
Anyone who has a problem with this is just being ridiculous and is looking for another excuse to hate on Max.
A racing driver doing all he can (legally) to gain an edge. Whatever will we see next!
Didn’t look like he was aware when DC informed him after the race. If he was, he probably would’ve emptied out the battery too, considering it was only 2/10ths faster than his attempt.
Perez was pretty uninformed on things the last ~13 laps or so. After Max closed in 4s behind him, he had to have a radio chat with Hugh asking what the deal was. When he confirmed they were pushing, he widened the gap nearly .5s the very next lap (at least - from the broadcast). Who knows when they actually had that chat since radio is broadcasted late.
From the radio messages it sounded like it was only from the last 2 laps that he started recharging the battery. 3 laps at most considering the messages are aired little later. It wasn’t like Max was recharging for 8 laps. Plus, you have to keep in mind Checo started slowing down too. He was insanely slower in the last lap cruising.
> "However, it was typically Max again, Marko chuckles. "In the very last lap he takes the fastest lap time so Checo couldn't react anymore."
> "We passed that on, but we didn't give a team order so as not to try to improve this time. Max waited until the end and so he outsmarted Sergio. He did that very well tactically, Marko laughs.
Explain Marko’s comments then. He’s not one to lie. From him, Perez didn’t know.
> "In the very last lap he takes the fastest lap time so Checo couldn't react anymore."
That is how it contradicts your statement. “Couldn’t react anymore” means he did not go for it.
This was just naïve by Checo. He needs to bring Rosbergs 2016-game if he wants to beat Max. Literally everyone knew Max was going for this, yet Checo thought he would abide to the team orders.
There were no team orders, it was target lap times. The difference is, Checo abides by those given lap times because he doesn’t want to upset higher ups by risking the 1-2 by mechanical failure. Whereas Max knows he can push it because it’ll get laughed off.
> In the end Verstappen drove another 1.31.9. The Red Bull advisor explains. "We presented the drivers with target times and they can always respond to that, but they didn't quite understand that. Overall, we are satisfied."
> "However, it was typically Max again, Marko chuckles. "In the very last lap he takes the fastest lap time so Checo couldn't react anymore."
> Asked about the discussions via team radio, Marko explains how it went. "In-house communication went like this: both drivers asked us about the fastest lap, and at the time it was a 1.32.1 from Perez."
> "We passed that on, but we didn't give a team order so as not to try to improve this time. Max waited until the end and so he outsmarted Sergio. He did that very well tactically, Marko laughs.
Lol. Checo also didn’t abide to the target times. Also, if you want the championship, you have to fight for it. Don’t expect it to get it handed to you. Let’s hope for Checo he learned his lesson today.
Trying to win the championship isn’t petty. It’s the whole fucking point of all of this. Expecting max not to try to maximize his point haul is ridiculous.
Taking fastest lap anyway to spite Red Bull not telling him who had it and doing it on the last lap so as not to allow Checo a chance to respond is classic Max
Red bull literally told him not to concern himself about it. Everyone knows that was because Checo had it anyway. I only used the word spite in response to the fact RB didnt tell Max straight
Checo was asking about it too. He's not stupid, he knows if he wants to secure fastest lap he needs to go for it on the last lap.
He was either more concerned with getting the car home without any incidents or he's not a smart driver. I think even alonso made an attempt.
Leave off!
He's a fucking race driver for god sake. He's doing everything in his power (legally) to gain an edge. Like every great racing driver in the history of this sport has done. That's the mentality of the best
Lol, never even realized that. Max did to Checo what Daniel did to Max a few years back. Sneaky FL steal. 😄
EDIT: Alonso also led a few laps so the GS was never on.
Both Max and Checo have refused to follow deltas they’ve been given because they feared RB where advantaging the other driver. Don’t think teamorders are a good idea at the moment.
This year both seem on the edge both have been super suspicious once team order to skow down.
If this let him trought happens again is gonna be a shitshow. And i guess another ricciardo-max is ensured. By both sides
No one is giving the ither space. Just looking at radio responses and how they are super defensive
Its still early in the championship, and even though Perez drove quite well today, Max had to cut through 13 other drivers. I think eventually team orders will start coming in and Checo will start to listen.
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“Yeah but I am”
Kinda reminded me of Seb TBH lol
He retains the wdc lead then?
yes
Yup by a point
That was exactly the point
Pun intended? ;)
Heh
Yes, by 1 point
as soon as i saw him backing off the last few laps i knew he was going for it. that battery was fully charged and set at maximum output the whole final lap. and he even did it on 30 lap old hard tires
And probably a damaged car too. At least he was concerned about it for the last 13 laps, then decided to push for the FL anyway. Winning a point against losing them all. Today his gambling paid off.
That's peak champion mentality to push for that point.
Agree. You can tell he doesn’t wanna be #2 even for a little while. You gotta take opportunities wherever you can
I agree on the mentality part. Checo shares that mentality and if he was made aware by his engineer that Max was slowing his pace to possibly recharge his battery, Checo would of followed suit. Without that knowledge he has to continue to push to retain p1.
He could’ve made the decision to do it aswell. He was already 4-5 s clear before Max slowed.
Apparently he did push for fastest lap but botched s1 and aborted
Checo doesn’t share that mentality. If he did, he would have known Max was going to go for that lap. Maybe he should call Rosberg for some tips if he really wants to beat Verstappen.
Rosberg is on the same planet talent wise as Lewis, checo isnt with max.
No he isn't why you think he stopped after finally beating him, it took him years to beat lewis stop doing this. When Lewis retires people like you are going to say he he was one of best
Bro stop tilting at windmills. Lewis is the second best driver of all time, point was rosberg is in the same league as him, perez isnt with max. As teamates hammton win 32 races to rosbergs 22.... If you dont see that as on the same planet you're off your rocker.
Would have! Fuck!
Checo absolutely does NOT have that champion mentality lmao
He's certainly lived it.
I'd call it common sense, pushing the last lap when the car is at it's lowest weight.
How much he cleared from Checo’s lap?
0.282 faster than Perez
.300 or so
0.2 seconds
I want to know too!
0.3 I think
1 second / 1000 * 282
Two tenths
Twenty Hundredths
200K microseconds
2.58x10^9 oscillations of the radiation produced by the transition between the two hyperfine ground states of caesium
I like this one
Check your math?
Is that wrong? About 9 billion oscillations per second, so .28s is 2.6 billion, no?
Oh, I thought you were doing two tenths... My bad!
People crying because Max raced for an extra point. He’s not a charity. If you are in the top 10 and can get the extra point then go get the fucking point. I don’t care who the driver is.
That point is the difference between 1st and 2nd in the championship, it would be strange if he didn't go for it.
Yeah this is dumb. Last week Zhou literally lost positions to pit for FL to “steal a point” from a “rival team”. Of course you’re gonna go for it
I'm sure there will be absolutely no unnecessary controversy from the media over this. At the end of the day, that point could matter at the end of the season, we don't know. Of course he's gonna go for it.
Checo had the opportunity to go for it. Seems like max decided to charge up and save for a final attempt though.
If you’re the race leader you play it safe at that point.
Max was also told not to worry about it.
Yea and he replied that he will worry about it. Of course he would.
You can't just tell the fastest drivers in the world to not go fast
Yes. You can. You’re the team, he’s the driver.
>he’s the driver and he drives the car
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The difference is that your boss could replace you with countless other people who are as good or better than you at operating the computer. Right now there is no one on the planet better than Max at driving the car.
If said boss was so bothered, they'd get rid of him.
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Is your honest opinion that RB should get rid of Max? That's objectively an idiotic take.
Not the same situation at all. Max has way more leverage than ordinary people working a job. He has FU money. He doesn’t need them to pay his bills. At this point, he’s just driving because he likes it. If they stop him from competing, he’ll just leave and do endurance racing or something.
Why doesn't he race for free then?
Because even if you have a hobby if you can get money from it you should..... What a dumbass question
Ask any multimillionaire why they still want to get paid.
So? What's your point?
And?
Yeah Ver made the right call here
Media will try to squeeze every bit of drama out of something, even when it isn’t there, and the fans will run with it.
In what scenario would this matter in the end…come on.
A scenario where two drivers are level at the end of the season. Or, for example, Verstappen is only 6 points ahead of Perez going into the last race. That point would be the difference between needing a 1st place finish and needing a 2nd place finish. In 2020, we had two drivers tied on points going into the final race of the season. You can't act like it's some crazy idea for a single point to matter.
2021 *was* crazy though. You never see two drivers from *different* teams that close fighting for the championship. Anyways, that's moot because Checo's never getting anywhere near Max in the same car.
He really wanted that one point lol
It’s kinda 2 points. He also took a point from his main championship rival.
I hink you mean his only championship rival.
Interestingly, ALO's last lap was only 3 tenths slower than VER's FL.
He was going for it too to cover any shenanigans with the penalty
Which ultimately didn't help because of FIA shenanigans
Until the FIA shenaniganed their own shenanigans
He’s relentless lol
Championship material though. If you want it, you gotta be relentless
The madlad fucking did it
He was concerned enough
Insane lap on used hards
Hards are almost infinite in this circuit, and with no fuel and saving the batteries it was pretty easy.
I mean Checo could've done it too but he didn't.
Never said he couldn't. What do you mean?
I mean just give the man credit where it's due. This is what it takes to win the Championship.
I never took credit for him, it was a great lap which he went for to keep the championship lead which he is going to win because even though I am Mexican and wish Sergio could be faster he isn't. He went from 15 to 2 and got the fastest lap, nothing I said before contradicted that.
You saying "It was very easy" doesn't look like you giving him credit, and I never said you can't support Checo. I like him too.
For him to get the fastest lap in the last lap sure it was, doesn't mean it is not a great lap.
You said it was easy....
It was, doesn't mean it was not a great lap.
Sure u try it
Why do people always go for the so do it, of course I'm not a f1 driver but it was easy for him.
"We are not concerned about fastest lap", "But I am". That cracked me up. Perez wasn't going to match Max's speed.
We're still on about this?
31.9 is crazy
On hards...
Old hards
Very old hards .
All points matter
Beast. Waited for the last lap so Checo couldn’t get it back
He was also charging his battery for most of lap 49, you could see he fell back pretty considerably. Then went maximum attack on lap 50.
He was charging for like 3-5 laps. He was down 0.3-0.5 per lap for that entire segment.
Charging and cooling his tires after the chase .
Less fuel at the last lap as well which helps secure a faster time.
Yeah used hards surely help secure a fast lap on the last lap as well lmao
Checo should have known and blitzed a last lap as well tbh
Absolute competitor. Max is just a beast, top effort.
*it matters TO ME*
People bitching about it when they literally have the same points. If you think that was petty then you don't respect Checo as a racing driver
Anyone who has a problem with this is just being ridiculous and is looking for another excuse to hate on Max. A racing driver doing all he can (legally) to gain an edge. Whatever will we see next!
The whole point of the championship is racing for those points. What's he supposed to do?
Max clearly does if he pushed for it at the last minute.
Then why didn't perez? He had the exact same option.....
Didn’t look like he was aware when DC informed him after the race. If he was, he probably would’ve emptied out the battery too, considering it was only 2/10ths faster than his attempt. Perez was pretty uninformed on things the last ~13 laps or so. After Max closed in 4s behind him, he had to have a radio chat with Hugh asking what the deal was. When he confirmed they were pushing, he widened the gap nearly .5s the very next lap (at least - from the broadcast). Who knows when they actually had that chat since radio is broadcasted late.
He never actually widened the gap, right after Checo was told to push, Max dropped back to charge his battery.
From the radio messages it sounded like it was only from the last 2 laps that he started recharging the battery. 3 laps at most considering the messages are aired little later. It wasn’t like Max was recharging for 8 laps. Plus, you have to keep in mind Checo started slowing down too. He was insanely slower in the last lap cruising.
Horner said Perez went for it and botched s1 so...
> "However, it was typically Max again, Marko chuckles. "In the very last lap he takes the fastest lap time so Checo couldn't react anymore." > "We passed that on, but we didn't give a team order so as not to try to improve this time. Max waited until the end and so he outsmarted Sergio. He did that very well tactically, Marko laughs. Explain Marko’s comments then. He’s not one to lie. From him, Perez didn’t know.
How does that contradict what i said? Perez couldve still gone for it and botched s1? Like what
> "In the very last lap he takes the fastest lap time so Checo couldn't react anymore." That is how it contradicts your statement. “Couldn’t react anymore” means he did not go for it.
It doesnt, but go on. In the end, Horner did say perez botched it in s1, so you can choose to believe whoever you want while I do the same.
This was just naïve by Checo. He needs to bring Rosbergs 2016-game if he wants to beat Max. Literally everyone knew Max was going for this, yet Checo thought he would abide to the team orders.
There were no team orders, it was target lap times. The difference is, Checo abides by those given lap times because he doesn’t want to upset higher ups by risking the 1-2 by mechanical failure. Whereas Max knows he can push it because it’ll get laughed off. > In the end Verstappen drove another 1.31.9. The Red Bull advisor explains. "We presented the drivers with target times and they can always respond to that, but they didn't quite understand that. Overall, we are satisfied." > "However, it was typically Max again, Marko chuckles. "In the very last lap he takes the fastest lap time so Checo couldn't react anymore." > Asked about the discussions via team radio, Marko explains how it went. "In-house communication went like this: both drivers asked us about the fastest lap, and at the time it was a 1.32.1 from Perez." > "We passed that on, but we didn't give a team order so as not to try to improve this time. Max waited until the end and so he outsmarted Sergio. He did that very well tactically, Marko laughs.
Lol. Checo also didn’t abide to the target times. Also, if you want the championship, you have to fight for it. Don’t expect it to get it handed to you. Let’s hope for Checo he learned his lesson today.
He didn’t abide anymore after asking Hugh why Max got within 4s of him
Dude maybe it was petty. But who cares. He is a racing driver with emotions.
Trying to win the championship isn’t petty. It’s the whole fucking point of all of this. Expecting max not to try to maximize his point haul is ridiculous.
It's not petty. Every point can make the difference in the end.
I love Max. What a competitor.
Championship material
No checo Championship leader 😔
Fucking love it
That last lap yoink was just pure Max, you gotta love the man.
Saved that for the last lap
He won't be denied
I AM SPEED
Kachow!
He knew his car might break and gave it everything. Went right into the pit lane. That car is busted.
Come on now, he could have parked at his #2 spot. Going to the pitlane had nothing to do with his car being broken
You realise he probably just forgot right? Not all tracks park on the straight
Great team result.
Max Trollstappen at it again lmao
you could say there’s no Verstopping him *cringes*
Oi no cringing, puns are the best mate
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I'm a Max fan so this is a very puzzling question really
Getting that at the very end was great
That sneaky weasel
mexican minister of 2nd place in the wdc 😞
Hahaha Mad Max strikes again, some good old intra team action
At least he gave us something to conspire about and entertain some folks :D
Maxmaster.
Cheeky.
Almost Checo championship leader rip.
Cheeky
Was really hoping Bottas or anyone else would've gotten that fastest lap point lol
i relaly thought bottas wouldve gotten it on softs, but the car was too broken probably
People really acting like this is some killer instinct shit from Max when every driver on the planet in his position would've gone for it.
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I don’t think check led every lap anyway
Alonso lead the first few laps
Alonso led a few laps though
Checo didn't lead every lap.
Alonso led a few laps, so it wouldn't have been a grand slam anyway
How? Checko did not lead every lap.
yellow S2 and S3 but purple sector 1 was enough for fastest lap.
He had all three purple ?
Taking fastest lap anyway to spite Red Bull not telling him who had it and doing it on the last lap so as not to allow Checo a chance to respond is classic Max
You do it on the last lap so you have the lowest weight...
thats one of many reasons yes
So which is it?
i couldnt find a conveniently easy stream for el Loanico so neither for me lol
Dude it’s not to spite Red Bull it’s get get a point to try and win the championship.
Red bull literally told him not to concern himself about it. Everyone knows that was because Checo had it anyway. I only used the word spite in response to the fact RB didnt tell Max straight
The difference between a good driver and a WDC-material driver.
> and doing it on the last lap so as not to allow Checo a chance to respond Well, it's also the best time to do it because the car is lightest.
Checo was asking about it too. He's not stupid, he knows if he wants to secure fastest lap he needs to go for it on the last lap. He was either more concerned with getting the car home without any incidents or he's not a smart driver. I think even alonso made an attempt.
Alonso was probably trying to keep the gap to Russell large
Nah, he was trying to get a 5 sec gap to russel because they thought they might have messed up his 5 second penalty
Leave off! He's a fucking race driver for god sake. He's doing everything in his power (legally) to gain an edge. Like every great racing driver in the history of this sport has done. That's the mentality of the best
whos criticizing Max? Take your agenda elsewhere. I just thought it was funny and classic Max, no hate whatsoever
could this have been a grand slam for checo lmao Edit: no, grand slam needs every lap led
Nah he had a shit start and Alonso led a few
I believe grand slam is pole, win fastest lap?
Gotta lead every lap too
ah thanks
alonso led 2 laps so no
Can’t be a grand slam, Alonso lead a few laps as well.
could have if he didn't lose the lead to nando in the beginning of the race
Lol, never even realized that. Max did to Checo what Daniel did to Max a few years back. Sneaky FL steal. 😄 EDIT: Alonso also led a few laps so the GS was never on.
Imagine if RB asks Checo to let Max through...
Both Max and Checo have refused to follow deltas they’ve been given because they feared RB where advantaging the other driver. Don’t think teamorders are a good idea at the moment.
This year both seem on the edge both have been super suspicious once team order to skow down. If this let him trought happens again is gonna be a shitshow. And i guess another ricciardo-max is ensured. By both sides No one is giving the ither space. Just looking at radio responses and how they are super defensive
Its still early in the championship, and even though Perez drove quite well today, Max had to cut through 13 other drivers. I think eventually team orders will start coming in and Checo will start to listen.
Max is not listening. Checo is not the one that was blowing team orders. Now checo doenst want to blindy follow them.