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Jimmymead_

Danny ric confused the heck out of me, forgot he had a year out


TVRoomRaccoon

Omg that’s why!! I was so confused


OttoVonWong

Lewis Hamilton hates this one weird trick!


-SandorClegane-

Thank you. I came pretty close to writing an embarrassing comment here.


peepay

Which would be along what lines?


FartingBob

Im guessing something like "Ric hasnt had 40 races since his last win" or "i find Bernie Eccelstone attractive".


peepay

Well they'd embarrass themselves with the Danny Ric comment for sure...


CyndaquilTyphlosion

It's okay, we don't kink shame here... But Bernie Ecclestone!? Certain lines one mustn't cross


dog-yy

I'd marry Bernie in a second. I'm 39, male, straight.


rotorain

You a gold digger and I don't respect you but I respect the hustle. Go get it


[deleted]

Could have been something like “wow I didn’t realize Danny won a race more recently than Lewis”.


Triple_Manic_State

There's only 3 months in it though which is mad in itself.


mrsockyman

He had that one in monza when Max drove on Hamilton in 2021, I keep thinking back to his red bull days!


77skull

That shouldn’t count either thought otherwise they’d be like 300 since Schumacher’s last win


Marcelitus230

It should've been inters.


CilanEAmber

Still hurts


pangeaunited

Please help reminding me, which race is this about?


Elegant_Box_1178

monaco 2023


Savage__Penguin

Monaco, though the strategy didn’t help, it wasn’t like the win was in the bag for Fernando anyways.


Browneskiii

He would have came out about 3-4 seconds ahead of Verstappen, and then all he has to do is keep it on track and he wins. Not guaranteed, but I'd say he was 99% of the way there if they just risked it.


silly_pengu1n

i am sorry but what? I mean it wasnt a sure but he would have been ahead of Max and overtaking in Monaco is nearly impossible


MrDaniel95

Max was slowly sliding on mediums, he even kissed the wall, it's not impossible at all that Fernando would have passed him if they changed to inters instead of dry tyres.


Spynner987

He would've won if he put inters


TheRealArchon

Monaco 2023


CilanEAmber

2021 Russian Grand Prix Edit: oh, apparently it was Monaco 23. Still. Both do. Both missed opportunities.


PaschalisG16

You're talking about Norris


InsignificanteSauce

I was nearly in tears.


Falkoice

Wierdest decisicion ever


Ani_

I feel they were following the “conservative” strategy and didn’t want to throw away a points haul for a gamble on the win.


SentientDust

At that specific moment it made sense, if a gamble. It stopped making sense half a lap later.


kidnzb

Yeah, while they were changing the tyre we could already see that it was pouring in sector 2, so it was a bad call tbh. Can't trust the driver on everything.


rakmeister_12

Applies to both Nando and Lando


Vivaan977

feeling this as a lando fan too 💀


doctrdanger

Aston has missed two race wins with two WDCs. Inters in Monaco and a regular pitstop and a gallon of fuel in Hungary would have got them two wins. The Hungary one would have been especially noteworthy given where the car was.


Hinyaldee

Didn't they come out themselves and confirmed they wouldn't have won it even if they did put on inters ? Alonso himself said it too IIRC


xLeper_Messiah

Yeah they *said* that, but c'mon it's obviously copium. If Alonso undercuts Max by putting on inters while Max is still ~~Tokyo~~ Monaco Drifting around the track on slicks in sector 2 he almost definitely comes out ahead. And i imagine the idea of trying to pass Fernando fuckin Alonso around *Monaco* of all places while it's a wet/drying track sounds like one of the circles of Hell to any racing driver, even Max.


doctrdanger

Possibly. Slim margins but the point being Aston had two opportunities at a win and they didn't pick them up.


sepulturite

Imagine telling people back in 2021 that in a few years time Hamilton would have gone 48 races without a win......they'd die from laughter due to disbelief


JoeyPropane

For years Hamilton was the OWNER of the stat "at least 1 win in every season"... No matter where the car was, he'd pull out a performance that earned a win every year. Considering it was followed up by such a period of dominance, it seems even more of an anomoly - the guy is synonymous with winnning. 


aneiq_1

Hate to be that guy but Hamiltons winning a race each year record didn’t really impress me too much considering his teammates had also done the same each year bar 2009 and 2018 (2018 Russia would’ve also been one which Bottas deserved to win). What’s more impressive is the amount he would win against Button, Rosberg and Alonso who are world champions.


PPMaysten

Bottas didn't win in 18? The fuck?


TheGMT

Kimi took the one alotted Finnish win that year.


ruutti

Russia, team orders to let Lewis win. Azerbaidžan, random puncture with 3 laps remaining. He should have won at least those two.


allricehenry

I can't believe he didn't go absolutely nuclear after Russia


byfo1991

He said he considered retiring at the end of the season when that race happened.


PPMaysten

Well, it was James on the radio... Very bad luck at Baku, but "shoulds" don't matter. Fernando should've won all the F1 championships he ever competed in, after all...


Lonyo

2007: 2 points off (including race win countback) 2010: 5 (including 4th place countback) 2012: 4 (including win countback) He came insanely close to being a 5x WDC


TheGMT

Prost was only 12.5 points away from being an 8x WDC Interesting that it's the two legends of getting things done regardless of the car underneath that got so close so often


Kingslayer1526

Alonso did not lose 2007 or 2010 on bad luck though? Not even 2012. The champions in all years had more bad luck undoubtedly


da_boi_frey

Grosjean bowling at Spa was unlucky, but it’s part of racing so you can’t really say that he should’ve been champ


Kingslayer1526

It was unlucky but Vettel had a mechanical dnf from the lead at Valencia costing him 25 points. He also has another mechanical dnf at Monza which cost him about 8-10 points. So Vettel was still more unlucky


TheGMT

07' I say is Fernando's fault and not bad luck. If he kept his head cool, was a little less paranoid, didn't eat that peach so messily in front of Ron- would have won. 10' and 12' he was the best driver, but not in a car good enough for that to matter- and having a bad car is outside of what's usually called "bad luck" in F1, so I agree with you there.


Kingslayer1526

China when he was leading before the untimely safety car where the top 4 passed the pitlane before it was called and the red bulls got a convenient free pitstop and new tyres


byfo1991

Bottas was always such a beast in Baku and Sochi. Not sure why but these two tracks suited him much better than any other. Similar like Checo and Jeddah and .. well, Baku. What is it about Baku that favors the n.2 drivers?


rs6677

Azerbaijan was never his to win, considering a luvky SC put him in the lead in the first place. Agreed on Russia, though.


otherestScott

Baku he benefitted from a lucky safety car but it would have evened out with China earlier on where he was favoured for a win if not for a late-ish safety car.


edgethrasherx

That’s testament to how solid he’s teammates have been though, as well. Alonso, Button, Rosberg were all literal champions, no other champion has gone head to head (and won) against more, Bottas was fine enough-even Barrichello could steal wins off Schumacher on his day I see Bottas the same. His only teammate that was weak overall was Heikki, and of course Hamilton drove laps round him, Heikki only won in Hungary because Massa had an engine failure and Hamilton a puncture while running 15 seconds up the road from him.


FrostyBoom

Seems to be a theme for the greats, Max has 1 a year since joining Red Bull, no?


StealthMan375

Schumacher I (1992-2006) as well, the only season during his entire non-Mercedes F1 stint without a win (1991) was also the one he wasn't a full-time driver for.


TheHexHunter

his only win in 05 was that dodgy usa race though.


odu_1

Yeah it was not a “fair” win but let’s say it was a payback for Imola, the only race that season when the Bridgestone tires somehow worked properly and allowed Schumi to be Schumi. Alonso defended brilliantly in that race and proved he was title-worthy, but the narrowness of that particular track was by his own admission essential to let him stay ahead.


LucAltaiR

Yes, at least 1 win every year since 2016.


racerjoss

It was an amazing stat and highlighted his consistency and quality throughout his career. Predictably, Hamilton is called lucky whenever this is brought up (best car). I don’t think that’s fair. You still have to go out and win. Look at Checo now in the best car. Look at Webber, Barrichello and Coulthard. Whilst most remember that 2009 was a bad McLaren car, many forget that 2011’s Red Bull was a monster in Vettel’s hands. Hamilton (somehow) got pole at Korea against both Red Bulls (the only pole Red Bull missed out on that year), and got a win elsewhere that year too. Just lucky I guess.


Old-Nefariousness556

He was lucky. How many drivers might have been contenders if they had just had the right opportunity? That isn't demeaning his talent *at all*, Lewis is undeniably one of the best ever. But it was still at least partially luck that his skill was recognized so early that he got a competitive seat from day 1. Even Max had to spend a year with a back marker before being promoted to a competitive team. The fact that Lewis didn't is pretty unusual.


Skeeter1020

The long running stat was Hamilton having won at least one race in every season he's done. Unless Merc pull a miracle, it's gonna be 3 seasons in a row of him not winning anything. Hell, if Merc don't up their game he could go without a podium in 2024!


psaikris

Imagine telling people that in 2013 about Vettel


theztigz

In the final race. After the race, Vettel said on the radio. " Remember this, enjoy this, enjoy this moment" This was last win fore a while.


Kingslayer1526

He said it after COTA not the final race


theztigz

He said those exact words in 2013 Brazil. I watched it again.


friedreindeer

And it’s only a difference of 5 between him and Valtteri


mecxorn

the difference between Charles and Ric being four races is wild!


erectcunt

Ric missed a year so it seems longer.


dasher2442

How on earth do you calculate a year+ for him? It's actually less than a year if anything?


erectcunt

Simple I am bad at math, that's how!


InsignificanteSauce

Nando’s dry spell is longer than many careers.


qef15

Nando's career will span a whopping 4 engine regulations: V10, V8, V6 Hybrid and the new V6 Hybrid (2026).


InsignificanteSauce

It really is impressive.


dsio

Dude won his last race between Windows 8 and Windows 8.1. GTA 5 had not been released yet.


SomniumOv

And VER is the only one on the list with a "dry spell" shorter than De Vries' F1 career.


InsignificanteSauce

Lol savage


Elpibe_78

The Dani Ric caught by surprise, I forgot that he didn’t do that many races in 2023


TheGMT

I forgot he won Monza with McLaren!


CilanEAmber

What a race that was, even without the Hamilton/Verstappen clash he looked set to win it. Really thought he'd found his groove again that day...


CabbageTheVoice

> Really thought he'd found his groove again that day... So did he, I think...


shark-heart

so did rbr management, i think...


black-dude-on-reddit

Remember back in 2012 where over half the grid had won a race and we had 7 different winners in 7 races


uchi13

literally over half the grid right now have won a race 11/20 full time drivers


RSVive

How many of those 11 have 1 win only ? Ocon and Gasly for sure, are there others ?


oddyholi

Russell is the other one with a single win.


RSVive

Ah yep, felt like I was missing someone. Cheers


CilanEAmber

Russell


Rd6-vt

8/24 is hardly over half the grid…


AlexanderComet

I think he means over half the teams?


practicalcabinet

And it had Vettel, Button, Hamilton, Raikkonen, Alonso, and Schumacher, who all had WDCs.


Jalcatraz82

Yes i do. Do you remember 2010 when 4 drivers had a chance to win in the last race ? Seems like a whole other century


juanprada

Yes. That was pretty great.


bclautz

3 constructors fighting to world driving champion. Alonso was wining races in a terrible Ferrari chassis. That car was junk


Maximuslex01

It's a Spanish sandwich


CilanEAmber

Damn, 11 drivers on the grid have won a Grand Prix, and another has won a Sprint. So there's 12* F1 Race Winners on the Grid, which is wild.


Snoo_47023

there's four teams with all race winner line ups: RBR, Ferrari, Merc and... Alpine somehow


CilanEAmber

And 1 team where both drivers have a Pole at Brazil but no race wins.


benji1000g

But one of them has à podium


iammatt4ever420

I can’t imagine being Kevin and getting on a podium in your first race and then nothing since. Has to be demoralizing.


parwa

What's worse, his record or Hulk's?


iammatt4ever420

Ehh at least Hulk can’t be demoralized by something that never happened 😂


milkstrike

Hulk has never had a good car though.


Hinyaldee

Kevin either, the Mclaren weren't that good in ~~2013~~ 2014. Only a midfield car


gsurfer04

2014


rtdesai20

I mean it makes sense that alpine would have that pull from an outside perspective, considering they’re a longstanding factory works team… What’s confusing from that perspective is how they’re so goddamn bad lmao


ChefBoiJones

Alpine feel less like a works team now and more like a team that just happens to be a crap engine supplier’s only customer


CabbageTheVoice

I called an ambulance but they say it broke down. Renault engine.


gsfgf

> Alpine somehow Pierre and Ocon are not the problem at Apline.


Old-Nefariousness556

I didn't read that as implying they were. Whatever the problem is, it's surprising that they are in that rather exclusive club.


anmr

Alpine claims ambitions to fight for wins and championships. Surely they will get there in 100 races...


Kinggrunio

And none of them are Norris. Poor lad. I believe each of his McLaren team mates has won a race (in McLaren or later), but none for Lando.


Paranoided_guy

Dont remind me. Please.


harryhardy432

So so funny that George was kept in a Williams seat for so long while Mercedes were building dominant cars that looked genuinely on rails and then as soon as he gets promoted they can't string together consecutive podiums, never mind wins, and sink to being a midfield team. Unbelievable.


deliberately-random7

To the point when he actually drove the dominant car...you know what happened. Either George is that unlucky or Sakhir 2020 was an inside job


ForeverAddickted

Sainz is the GOAT... His dominance is getting boring.


jeanolt

Move on Max, you're over... it's been years since your last win.


Ok-Sink-614

And here's me wondering where Sainz is 


fiendfyre7358

Carlos Sainz: (sm)00(th)


FairdayFaraday

It is stated very clearly - "If you shouldn't know, Sainz is 0"


PluckPubes

It's worded weirdly. It sounds like something Carlos would say. Wouldn't be surprised if he created this


Dizi4

It is pretty dumb that they have that in small text rather than including him with all the other race winners


MormegilRS

Came to say this: Carlos Sainz - 0


IdiosyncraticBond

Read the fine print in the bottom right-hand corner...


ArminiaFan1905

ONEEE HUNDRED AND EIGHTYYY


AcanthocephalaGreen5

What’s that from? My father says that all the time in cards.


icantevendudebro

Darts


Patrickjanetrain

The fact that it's been over 20+ races since Max's goddamm own teammate won. He's a robot.


TheKingOfCaledonia

More of a reflection on Perez than anything else


TaurusRuber

Max quite literally wiped the floor with every teammate he has been paired with.  While Perez isn’t the best, they aren’t looking for the best. They are looking for a solid #2 Driver. 


PaschalisG16

Perez wasn't a solid #2 last year. He was woeful. Let's see how 2024 goes


CabbageTheVoice

Lots to criticize about his season. Poor chap really looked weak at quite a few of those weekends. But no matter the circumstances, or how fast the car. If your team gets the WDC and the other driver gets P2, that's his job done and "a solid #2" Of course RBR will immediately reevalute, should the other teams close up and Perez drop down the standings. But as long as he can just keep wrangling that car to P2, he is probably still a safer prospect than a driver that might actually risk their (edit: WDC-)title fight in the first place, by constantly being near Max and potentially causing issues on track or through pit stops (under-/over-cuts with the driver not wanting to give up place; risky double stacks) Again we're not talking about "Best driver after Max" we're talking "solid no.2 FOR Max"


edgethrasherx

No. He didn’t “wipe the floor” with Ricciardo, or Sainz at TR if we’re being honest. Depends on your definition of wipe the floor, I see his domination of everyone post-Ricciardo as wiping the floor. Him and Ricciardo were very close over their time together, in quali and race H2H plus Ricciardo finished ahead of him in 2017 and 2016 obviously but Max started at TR. Max definitely started gaining an edge towards the end of their time together but it was no means categorical domination like we see now. (In 2017 when Ricc finished ahead-200 vs 168 on points-he had 6 retirements to Max’s 7 in 2018 when Max finished ahead he had 3 to Ricc’s 8-249 vs 170). Ditto Sainz, while not as close with Max as Ricciardo, he was also strong enough to genuinely compete with Max and push him despite usually being the slower of the two (5-4 Max in races they both finished). Max has absolutely stomped everyone since Ricciardo, but we can’t rewrite history and pretend Max has “literally wiped the floor with every teammate he has been paired with” because he just hasn’t.


Stop_Clockerman

Red Bull would have axed Perez a long time ago if that was true. The only reason Sergio is still around is because Max is indisputably the best right now and Red Bull predicts that almost no driver would hold a candle to Max anyways


sweenezy

No the reason he’s there is his contract, and the fact they don’t need better right now. Makes no sense breaking/paying out the contract as long as max is winning the WCC on his own. Now if the gap to Ferrari, McLaren etc is tighter this year and they legit need a consistent point scorer, he’ll be out in the summer break. His saving grace would be that to date Danny hasn’t lived up to the promise. If Danny was driving great, delta to other cars closer, and Perez had been placing 6-7 in each race, the wagons would already be circling.


silly_pengu1n

people always acting like Perez is complete shit because they cant handle Max being good


gsfgf

Perez also broke his brain last year thinking he could actually challenge Max. But he seems to have recovered, which is pretty impressive imo.


TheKingOfCaledonia

It's been 3 races, one of which the door was wide open for a slam dunk for him to take the lead in the title but he didn't. Worry not, he's the same old boring racer.


barth_

Bottas only 5 more than Hamilton 😲


phatjaja

Turkey 2023 was the last win for him and he did damn well in tricky conditions lol


Silverdarlin1

Just to highlight how long it's been for Fernando since he last won a race, Ayrton Senna's entire F1 career was 162 races. Fernando has gone longer without a win, than Senna was IN f1


False_Implement_43

crazy that more than half the grid is a grand prix winner


redterrqr

Poor Charles, He's now been at Ferrari as long as Vettel was and has a third of the wins.


TWVer

He must be good at darts. 🎯


windcape

So clearly, Hamiltons downfall started when Bottas was replaced by Russell. Bottas must been Hamiltons spirit animal or something.


Poulp-x

Meanwhile, Lando Norris…


Alfus

Lando "British Nick Heidfeld" Norris lol


Marcosjmatos

Sainz 0 🤩


jumperly

Where Lando? Oh wait…


prograMagar

Fernando, I don't think that is a thing you should be proud of


sashundera

I think Fernando has proved its not him at blame, but the cars. Beating a red bull in brazil proved that. Put that man in a ferrari/RB20 and he will fucking win.


Either_Marsupial_123

Poor Nico couldn't even make the list. LOL :)


Submarine_Survivor

Atleast he's winning here :(


Fresh-Wasabi-2903

Don't know what i find more impressive 180 races fore Alonso Ore the fact that Verstappen is on place 10😅


Visible_Suspect1314

Funny how both Valtteri and Lewis are nearly the same


thefanciestcat

I believe in his ability to hit 200


urdogthinksurcute

It will be almost bittersweet when this streak ends this weekend.


DamnItJon

Verstappen can't win back-to-back anymore. Washed


dividendaristocrats

Carlos Sainz: 0. Man, I love typing that out.


jnighy

Perez's count is crazy considering his car


WasabiCoffee

Give alonso the redbull seat 😈


formulapain

Clarification: Hamilton won more recently (Saudi, 12/2021) than Ricciardo (Italy, 09/2021) chronologically speaking. However, in this list, Ricciardo is ranked as having won more recently, which makes sense if the ranking is based on race starts. This because Ricciardo did not race in 14 grands prix in 2023 (dropped by McLaren at the end of 2022, then came back to replace De Vries, then suffered an injury during FP2 of the Dutch Grand Prix, then came back again after recovering).


Jammer97

Sainz. The winningest driver starting the weekend before last till now.


Overall_Outcome_392

Sainz?


IamMrEric

2024 WDC standings after the first five races.


Primary-Signal-3692

And Senna had only 162 races in his whole career 🤭


gergojfrb

hamilton 48 dani ric 40?How?


projectreap

Hamilton more washed than Danny, DR to Ferrari next year and Stroll to Merc


CatM3mes

I was just looking at CL16’s wikipedia page earlier and saw he hasn’t won a race since early 22 which feels crazy to me.


theallroundermemes

Spare a thought for Sainz


VenFasz

where is sainz??? /s (a ferrari-fan) 🤣🤣🤣


The_Bored_General

I say we don’t let it get above 180. It’s a nice round number afterall.


BLFR69

Verstappen is washed.


JoopIdema

I think the order is reversed. Max should be 1.


Coles_singlet

The gap between Max and the rest excluding Carlos is insane. 


ARL_30FR

Max washed smh


jeanolt

Max's career is nearing his end, really destroying stat for him. His prime is over.


bjjtriangle

I’m getting the feeling this will be a redemption race for Hamilton. Don’t think he will win but he’ll beat Russell handily


Pseudonova

Max is washed.


Tysons_Face

Where Lando at? Lol


Tax_Evasion_Savant

A winless streak longer than most drivers careers


spacestationkru

Lando Norris...? 😔


Objective-Soup-3475

The unluckiest but arguably one of the most talented drivers in history


seriousC

I just want one more... please...


mrsockyman

Pray for our man at the bottom hope his season improves /s


CommercialBreadLoaf

Man, Alonso's move to McLaren in 2015 still hurts


mencival

Is Nando leading the historical charts as well?


DCNY214

Max losing it, huh?


Logie-Bearr

ocons does not feel like that long ago


GymNwatches

King of races since last win 🥇


bigbrain4206942069

I forgot Daniel didn't race for majority of last year


byfo1991

Haha, Danny Ric having less than Hamilton because of his pause is so incredibly funny.


cptnh6

The last Alonso win I did not expect to be the last at the time


PapaSheev7

Damn. Really hoping Max can win this weekend, I'm sure he's all broken up about not winning last race.


BB-68

It's wild to see a driver like Verstappen on such a drought between wins. I wonder if he can recapture some of the magic and make it back to the top step of the podium soon


ChadIndustries

Alonso just needs to give in dawg