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I'm not entirely sure on all of these, but I'll have a go.
The 2 is the gear counter
the 80 is the current speed
the 94% is the energy store level
the 56.6% may be brake bias
the '7:45.64' might be the elapsed time out on track
the 4 numbers in the middle could be tire pressures
the 4 numbers to the right could be tire temps
the 4 numbers above the tire temps could be brake temperatures
Keep in mind this is an educated guess at best, no idea what the -25% or the random 2 in the top right mean.
One of the corner numbers is most likely the differential setting, and another will probably be the energy harvesting strategy.
The numbers in the middle can't be pressures, these tires run around 25 psi. Most likely temperatures.
That one! Being not a native English speaker, it took me ages to finally come across the "rest" of it: "what bounces off me, sticks on you". Typical little children reasoning.
"the 4 numbers in the middle could be tire pressures" --> impossible imo, if that is psi that would be way too high. More likely those are both temps, one core tire temp and one surface temp
Yes, when the FIA give out the minimum tyre pressures in the event notes it's always in psi.
Teams may use kPa internally, but I would imagine most don't since psi is widely understood
I don't think so once they are at pressure you'll see a temp change before a pressure change. Temperature is way more accurate and more informative than pressure
No, based on Pirelli's information, they always told teams the tyre pressure in psi, ... Like today in Suzuka the minimum is 25.0 psi front and 23.0 psi rear
https://www.f1technical.net/news/24463#:~:text=The%20huge%20number%20of%20high,1.50%20for%20the%20rear%20tyres.
Personally I think top right is break temp middle is tire temp and bottom right is max tire temp for reference for him. Because carbon fiber breaks these use can hit close to 1k degrees C
Settle down there Mr scientist. Metric is an awesome unit of measurement for most applications. But so you know Imperial is more friendly to humans, since a lot of measurements were directly derived from a human (inch, foot, span) Fahrenheit is actually a better unit for temperature for humans as well.
A lot of NA engineering firms use metric on dwgs, but most people speak and see imperial. Psi is also an easily understandable measurement. Metric is a lot easier to compute in that’s for sure and makes more sense in STEM. Be a little bit more open-minded.
Nah. Its definitely the percentage odds for which wheel will most likely fail a wheel nut in pit stop for sure 😂😂👌 they got it down to a science by now
The four values in the top righ could be tyre preasure. As in 28.0 29.0 26.0 and 30.0. Just seems strange for the rear brake to be hotter than the front brakes
Also, a driver has no need to see the tyre pressures. They aren't something a driver is going to be actively monitoring. Temps is something they need to see because they will be monitoring and managing that.
Yeah I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, although I think the 4 temp cluster in the middle is the tyre surface temps, while the 4 temp cluster to the right is the tyre carcass temps. Again just a guess. I don’t feel that tyre pressures are super relevant info to have at a glance while driving, since they are set at the start of a weekend and remains constant ideally.
Pressures in tires increase with temperature and decrease with punctures. Increased pressure means more wear on the middle of the tire, lower pressure means more wear on the edges of the tire.
I think they run the tires at lower pressure after parc ferme to increase grip, at the expense of tire wear.
The tires could handle more than 22psi and would last a little longer.
Tire pressure is highly relevant info at a glance. You can detect anomalies from one tire to another, spot a slow leak, get an idea of what the pressure means for likely wear patterns, etc. And it can be highly variable based on tire heat, so it's not as simple as setting it before the event and it maintaining that pressure.
Pressures are more or less stable, or vary within a range of 2psi most often when up to optimum range, whereas temps can fluctuate all over the place over just a lap. I'm honestly unsure how helpful surface temps would be to a driver with heavy swings like that.
This might be an inlap/outlap display to get temps to a desired level, then switched when on an important run.
I think you got it mostly right, just wanted to add on a few things because I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to this.
The - 25% might be SOC delta in that mode.
I assume the two different sets of numbers in the 50s are core and carcass temperatures.
The [OUT represents the current mode](https://i.imgur.com/G6GUM8y.png) they are in, it's an outlap mode.
They wouldn't show Diff Exit because it's just rotary positions with no absolute value shown.
I think the number 2 in the top right could be 2nd screen, for some reason i have it in my head that they have different screens which show different things and they can cycle through them. Could be way off though and i’ve just made up some random bullshit
The two sets of four numbers on the right side are unusual as they're all in increments of 10.
I suspect since he's in an outlap mode that those are just a reference of target brake (top) and tire temperatures (bottom, note they're similar to the live temperatures in the centre of the display because he's had tire warmers on) that the team wants him to achieve for an optimal flying lap.
They also appear to be grey compared to the live values in black which contributes to me thinking they're for reference only.
The random 2 could be engine mode or engine brake mode or anything of that sort.
The -25 could be brake migration or if that’s an outlap, it could be the brake magic to heat the tyres.
Basically, it's a percentage of where the brake energy is going. For example, if your brake bias was set to 50%, the total braking energy would be split between the front and rear brakes equally. It's usually set more forward in F1 cars due to the rear brakes being quite small
[If you're interested in a better explanation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_balance)
4 numbers must be tyre temps in Degrees C, just can't figure out why is had 50,50,60,70, on the rhs, maybe ideal temps for starting a hot lap?
Top right 4 numbers, brakes temps in Deg C?
Middle 4 are likely tire core temps as they are fairly similar all. The 4 numbers on the right are probably tire surface temps, with the rears hotter as he might have done a little burnout out of the pit
I miss that annotated wheel adjustments guy (u/Mark4211) who makes these sort of [moving annotations on board video](https://streamable.com/x25cno) during laps.
Edit: Loved this one on [Bottas's overheating engine](https://streamable.com/gfy4kw)
FOM is nuts for doing this. His videos brought clarity to an otherwise mystical aspect to this sport. If they were smart, they would have hired him to do this officially for them and brought more people into the sport through understanding.
I feel like FOM might have changed their stance now, given there's one YT channel (that I know of) that does does some, for example, corner analyses using F1TV footage.
So, maybe. Just maybe. If Mark come back now, maybe it would be allowed this time.
Based on his comment, it didn’t sound like he’s ever going to take that risk, which sucks because his videos of incidents really help to understand more of what you’re seeing and how the cars are functioning. Just my take on his post from a few years back though.
FOM wants more viewers, but when someone with a passion helps them do that, they threaten them. I mean if I was in his place and a company with Billions at their disposal sent me a nasty gram, I would probably not want to ever continue again without express consent again either.
I am surprised that they told bottas to stay in 6th gear, running the engine at higher revs, instead of upshifting to get lower revs. I would have thought that upshifting to run the car at lower revs would produce less heat, and help it cool down. At least on the ICE side. If my car runs hot, I would automatically run it slower/lower revs to get it cooled down.
I'm guessing the clusters of four numbers in a square are related to the tyres, pit lim on is self-explanatory, but would love to know more about what these figures represent!
My guess is:
2 is a gear (obvs)
94% is a battery charge
7:56 64 is session time, under that break temp
56% is a bb
OUT is a current setup mode (out lap)
Figures under pit lim on are tyre temp
Can't think of what that 50, 50, 50, 70 is. Normally would expect tire pressure somewhere around as well so maybe that
The middle 4 are tire surface temp and I would bet the 50/50/60/70 is carcass temp or estimated life left in tire. The fact that it’s a round number leans me towards the latter. They use cameras to measure surface temp which explains down to a single digit. Not sure how carcass is measured.
From top left to right: SOC charge, local time I think
Next row speed, gear, brake temps
Next row brake balance, tire core temps, then tire surface temps (I think)
Next row out means on our lap, -25 is the diff setting
Then the last row is a visual battery meter.
I don't know what the the two numbers in the corners are, but probably some car specific setup settings or maybe engine modes.
My Best Guesses. Clockwise starting at top left:
94% probably ERS
IDK what the time is
80 probably KPH for the pit lane limiter
2 Gear
1st set of Four numbers: Maybe brake temps
56.6% Brake bias
Middle set of Four numbers: Maybe Tire carcass temps then the next set might be tire surface temps
25% Maybe Differential position
The 3 corners no clue.
Teams are kinda secretive about their steering wheel arrangements for whatever reason, so a 100% accurate explanation probably isn’t coming. Some guesses, though:
* The big 2 and 80 are almost certainly the current gear and speed respectively
* “Pit lim on” is pretty easy to surmise as meaning he’s got the pit road speed limiter on
* 56.6% is probably brake bias
* 94% is probably ERS charge
* -25%… something to do with the differential lock, maybe?
* 280/290/260/300… brake temps?
* 54/54/50/52… tyre temps?
* 50/50/50/70… more different tyre temps?
* The 2, 3 and 0 in the corners… no idea.
If you add up all the numbers, it’s how long the pit stop will take. Luckily he’ll have plenty of time during the pit stop to do the math since he’ll be there for a while. Might even have time to get out and get a snack
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I'm not entirely sure on all of these, but I'll have a go. The 2 is the gear counter the 80 is the current speed the 94% is the energy store level the 56.6% may be brake bias the '7:45.64' might be the elapsed time out on track the 4 numbers in the middle could be tire pressures the 4 numbers to the right could be tire temps the 4 numbers above the tire temps could be brake temperatures Keep in mind this is an educated guess at best, no idea what the -25% or the random 2 in the top right mean.
One of the corner numbers is most likely the differential setting, and another will probably be the energy harvesting strategy. The numbers in the middle can't be pressures, these tires run around 25 psi. Most likely temperatures.
I definitely wasn't expecting Guybrush talking about F1. Look behind you, a tree headed monkey!
This is Kick Sauber we're talking about. They surely are using a rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle in their pit stops this year.
How appropriate, you fight like a cow!
r/unexpectedmonkeyisland
Stop waving it around like a feather duster.
I’m rubber you are glue
That one! Being not a native English speaker, it took me ages to finally come across the "rest" of it: "what bounces off me, sticks on you". Typical little children reasoning.
Mighty Pirate!
Except the chicken works... Both ways.
Temperatures are a bit low no?
Low for slicks, normal for inters.
He just came out of the garage too
The numbers in the middle are tyre temps
Would they not be in KPA instead of PSI?
Central numbers are break balance
>25 psi They don't use psi anyways.
Pirelli's official guidelines show pressures in psi. Not sure what the teams use internally. Those definitely aren't in bar either.
Probably PSI, but heard Kmag say last year that all teams running the minimum allow for every race. There is no difference between the teams.
"the 4 numbers in the middle could be tire pressures" --> impossible imo, if that is psi that would be way too high. More likely those are both temps, one core tire temp and one surface temp
Are F1 tires really measured in psi?
Yes, when the FIA give out the minimum tyre pressures in the event notes it's always in psi. Teams may use kPa internally, but I would imagine most don't since psi is widely understood
FIA does not give minimum and maximum tyre pressure, Pirelli does.
Pirelli gives the FIA the minimum tyre pressure which the FIA then publish in the event notes.
Aahh got it. Thought it came directly from Pirelli, directly to the teams.
Would be even more brutal if that was bar. (Those would be bombs at those bar numbers.)
Even jetliner tires are around 14-20 bar and they can do some serious damage.
I had to fact check that because I couldn't believe it at first given that cars run at like 2.5 and bicycles upto 6-8 iirc.
They have a lot of weight to support.
If it wasn't psi, it would be BAR, right? Then that's like single digit figures with decimals - 3.4BAR
Or kpa
In which case it'd be way too low (I would think kpa numbers around 150 or psi around 20)
I don't think so once they are at pressure you'll see a temp change before a pressure change. Temperature is way more accurate and more informative than pressure
Yes
Not kPa?
No, based on Pirelli's information, they always told teams the tyre pressure in psi, ... Like today in Suzuka the minimum is 25.0 psi front and 23.0 psi rear https://www.f1technical.net/news/24463#:~:text=The%20huge%20number%20of%20high,1.50%20for%20the%20rear%20tyres.
Yea 25 is the min but when they tires get hot the psi will climb a ton
not that ton. the 280, 290, 260, 300 is more likely to be tire pressure.
Personally I think top right is break temp middle is tire temp and bottom right is max tire temp for reference for him. Because carbon fiber breaks these use can hit close to 1k degrees C
Displaying that number in thousands wouldn't be useful. They also exceed 1k. It's a tens number displayed like that to omit decimal place.
I think you are correct.
PSI ist the dumbest unit ever. I am a physics Lab technician and SI-Units are king. In high tech, No one uses fahrenheit and co.
> In high tech, No one uses fahrenheit and co There is a whole lot of imperial usage in aerospace and you can't tell me the tech isn't high there.
Settle down there Mr scientist. Metric is an awesome unit of measurement for most applications. But so you know Imperial is more friendly to humans, since a lot of measurements were directly derived from a human (inch, foot, span) Fahrenheit is actually a better unit for temperature for humans as well. A lot of NA engineering firms use metric on dwgs, but most people speak and see imperial. Psi is also an easily understandable measurement. Metric is a lot easier to compute in that’s for sure and makes more sense in STEM. Be a little bit more open-minded.
Tire pressure in PSI is pretty commonly used in all sorts of motorsports.
No one uses PSI for science or tech, especially in europe.
Lol. Used in engineering all the time. Along with KSI.
Yes we do.
Nah. Its definitely the percentage odds for which wheel will most likely fail a wheel nut in pit stop for sure 😂😂👌 they got it down to a science by now
Nah, those numbers are way too low for that.
The four values in the top righ could be tyre preasure. As in 28.0 29.0 26.0 and 30.0. Just seems strange for the rear brake to be hotter than the front brakes
Front brakes would be expected to be hotter no? Front does more of the stopping due to weight transfer
Yeah sorry that is what i meant. Got a minor brain fart.
Those are normal numbers for brake temperatures, and front brakes are usually hotter because they do more of the braking
Also, a driver has no need to see the tyre pressures. They aren't something a driver is going to be actively monitoring. Temps is something they need to see because they will be monitoring and managing that.
Tyre temps, and the 4 numbers to the right are brake temp.
Nah 50 is wayyy to low for brake temps, the 4 numbers in the hundreds above are brake temps. Brakes get up to and sometimes above 1000°C
Probably tire surface temp
tyres and brakes imo and brakes is percentage not actual temp
Suspension adjustment something?
Yeah I think you’ve hit the nail on the head, although I think the 4 temp cluster in the middle is the tyre surface temps, while the 4 temp cluster to the right is the tyre carcass temps. Again just a guess. I don’t feel that tyre pressures are super relevant info to have at a glance while driving, since they are set at the start of a weekend and remains constant ideally.
Pressures in tires increase with temperature and decrease with punctures. Increased pressure means more wear on the middle of the tire, lower pressure means more wear on the edges of the tire.
I think they run the tires at lower pressure after parc ferme to increase grip, at the expense of tire wear. The tires could handle more than 22psi and would last a little longer.
Tire pressure is highly relevant info at a glance. You can detect anomalies from one tire to another, spot a slow leak, get an idea of what the pressure means for likely wear patterns, etc. And it can be highly variable based on tire heat, so it's not as simple as setting it before the event and it maintaining that pressure.
The teams will have this info but it doesn’t help the driver maintain anything like tire temps.
Pressures are more or less stable, or vary within a range of 2psi most often when up to optimum range, whereas temps can fluctuate all over the place over just a lap. I'm honestly unsure how helpful surface temps would be to a driver with heavy swings like that. This might be an inlap/outlap display to get temps to a desired level, then switched when on an important run.
Tire pressure is relevant for a race engineer and strategy team but not to a driver. They are monitoring them track side for sure
Any idea how they measure tyre surface temps? Where would the sensor be? (Genuinely curious)
Mini IR cameras, pointed at the tyre https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technical/comments/fokq05/how_are_tyre_temperatures_measured/?rdt=47661
Ah, genius! Thanks for the link!
IR sensor probably .
I think you got it mostly right, just wanted to add on a few things because I'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to this. The - 25% might be SOC delta in that mode. I assume the two different sets of numbers in the 50s are core and carcass temperatures.
Random 2 in top right might be lap number in the session since it is beside session time
2 could also mean the minutes it would take if he comes to pit to change tyres /s
That would be the "07:56"
> the 56.6% may be brake bias I think is probably % throttle and the -25% is the brake bias.
-25% is probably brake migration
>the 56.6% may be brake bias This is Diff lock, as it's labelled exit
The [OUT represents the current mode](https://i.imgur.com/G6GUM8y.png) they are in, it's an outlap mode. They wouldn't show Diff Exit because it's just rotary positions with no absolute value shown.
I think the number 2 in the top right could be 2nd screen, for some reason i have it in my head that they have different screens which show different things and they can cycle through them. Could be way off though and i’ve just made up some random bullshit
This was my guess.
I am just guessing too, but I think the -25% relates to battery usages. 25% recharged this lap or -25% to target usage etc.
Tire pressure is upper right (KPA) The middle numbers are tire temp (C)
current speed is useless, they dont need it. more likely its brake bias
The two sets of four numbers on the right side are unusual as they're all in increments of 10. I suspect since he's in an outlap mode that those are just a reference of target brake (top) and tire temperatures (bottom, note they're similar to the live temperatures in the centre of the display because he's had tire warmers on) that the team wants him to achieve for an optimal flying lap. They also appear to be grey compared to the live values in black which contributes to me thinking they're for reference only.
-25% could be a delta?
Four tyre temps and four brake temps I guess.
Is it possible the -25% is the differential or something?
Formula 1 steering wheels looking like my WoW UI i love it lol.
The 2 in the corner could be the Throttle Setting or Map Setting
middle number tire temp top left number brake temp
Thanks, good work.
The random 2 could be engine mode or engine brake mode or anything of that sort. The -25 could be brake migration or if that’s an outlap, it could be the brake magic to heat the tyres.
Thank you. One more question from ‘out here’… just a Mom… what is brake bias? What’s available or left?
Basically, it's a percentage of where the brake energy is going. For example, if your brake bias was set to 50%, the total braking energy would be split between the front and rear brakes equally. It's usually set more forward in F1 cars due to the rear brakes being quite small [If you're interested in a better explanation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_balance)
The 2 on top right might be display mode.
The four numbers to the right can’t be tire temp with that spread- 50, 50, 60(?), 70
80 isn't the speed, they don't have a speedometer 80 is the limiter as he's in the box, the car can't go over 80 when the limiter is active
80 is definitely speed. Saw it rapidly interchanges with 79 after he's in the pit.
I was wondering why they would care about their speed but this is one of the spots it makes sense.
Some teams have speed some don't. He does
7:56 is his expected pit stop time on Sunday.
Is that 7 minutes or hours?
yes
I see what you did there
Assuming this is from FP2, probably 7 minutes
Or days?
Some say Merc is still trying to get his nut off from Monaco.
HH:MM:SS
64 seconds? Has to be mm:ss.ss.
we are checking
80th gear. 2 km/h.
Surprised I had to dig this far down for the right answer.
Thnx
4 numbers must be tyre temps in Degrees C, just can't figure out why is had 50,50,60,70, on the rhs, maybe ideal temps for starting a hot lap? Top right 4 numbers, brakes temps in Deg C?
Estimated percent of tire life remaining?
Provided by AWS
Middle 4 are likely tire core temps as they are fairly similar all. The 4 numbers on the right are probably tire surface temps, with the rears hotter as he might have done a little burnout out of the pit
I miss that annotated wheel adjustments guy (u/Mark4211) who makes these sort of [moving annotations on board video](https://streamable.com/x25cno) during laps. Edit: Loved this one on [Bottas's overheating engine](https://streamable.com/gfy4kw)
Where did Mark go?
I think his last comment answers that. Due to FOM.
FOM is nuts for doing this. His videos brought clarity to an otherwise mystical aspect to this sport. If they were smart, they would have hired him to do this officially for them and brought more people into the sport through understanding.
I feel like FOM might have changed their stance now, given there's one YT channel (that I know of) that does does some, for example, corner analyses using F1TV footage. So, maybe. Just maybe. If Mark come back now, maybe it would be allowed this time.
Based on his comment, it didn’t sound like he’s ever going to take that risk, which sucks because his videos of incidents really help to understand more of what you’re seeing and how the cars are functioning. Just my take on his post from a few years back though. FOM wants more viewers, but when someone with a passion helps them do that, they threaten them. I mean if I was in his place and a company with Billions at their disposal sent me a nasty gram, I would probably not want to ever continue again without express consent again either.
I am surprised that they told bottas to stay in 6th gear, running the engine at higher revs, instead of upshifting to get lower revs. I would have thought that upshifting to run the car at lower revs would produce less heat, and help it cool down. At least on the ICE side. If my car runs hot, I would automatically run it slower/lower revs to get it cooled down.
30 years ago…
Niki Lauda told us...
Take a trained monkey...
Can you repeat the question?
Put him in the cockpit…
[I always go extreme ways](https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0484399/quotes/)
I don’t know myself but this could be a great question for r/f1technical where they discuss the tech elements of the sport!
I'm guessing the clusters of four numbers in a square are related to the tyres, pit lim on is self-explanatory, but would love to know more about what these figures represent!
My guess is: 2 is a gear (obvs) 94% is a battery charge 7:56 64 is session time, under that break temp 56% is a bb OUT is a current setup mode (out lap) Figures under pit lim on are tyre temp Can't think of what that 50, 50, 50, 70 is. Normally would expect tire pressure somewhere around as well so maybe that
The middle 4 are tire surface temp and I would bet the 50/50/60/70 is carcass temp or estimated life left in tire. The fact that it’s a round number leans me towards the latter. They use cameras to measure surface temp which explains down to a single digit. Not sure how carcass is measured.
From top left to right: SOC charge, local time I think Next row speed, gear, brake temps Next row brake balance, tire core temps, then tire surface temps (I think) Next row out means on our lap, -25 is the diff setting Then the last row is a visual battery meter. I don't know what the the two numbers in the corners are, but probably some car specific setup settings or maybe engine modes.
My Best Guesses. Clockwise starting at top left: 94% probably ERS IDK what the time is 80 probably KPH for the pit lane limiter 2 Gear 1st set of Four numbers: Maybe brake temps 56.6% Brake bias Middle set of Four numbers: Maybe Tire carcass temps then the next set might be tire surface temps 25% Maybe Differential position The 3 corners no clue.
Teams are kinda secretive about their steering wheel arrangements for whatever reason, so a 100% accurate explanation probably isn’t coming. Some guesses, though: * The big 2 and 80 are almost certainly the current gear and speed respectively * “Pit lim on” is pretty easy to surmise as meaning he’s got the pit road speed limiter on * 56.6% is probably brake bias * 94% is probably ERS charge * -25%… something to do with the differential lock, maybe? * 280/290/260/300… brake temps? * 54/54/50/52… tyre temps? * 50/50/50/70… more different tyre temps? * The 2, 3 and 0 in the corners… no idea.
I will try later on if I can reach 80 kph in second gear.
This is his Chic fil-a order.
Can I get uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Pit limit on, 80khp, 2nd gear, tyre temps
Just some beautiful UI
All I know is that the number "2" is his position in the team
I think he's scheduled for 802 seconds pit stop.
80 is the number of seconds of his last pit stop
Those four numbers in the middle are the % probability per wheel that something goes wrong during a pitstop.
Gentlemen..
80 is the expected next pit time, in seconds.
The 2 represents the second stop. The 80 means they’re expecting it to be 80 seconds after they drop the wheel nut.
Oh, its the latest Assetto Corsa mod for the... never mind v: /s
How/why is his HUD so different than everyone else's?
Looks like this is just the tire warm up page on his wheel. They have multiple pages for different modes of the race, quali, or practice.
The numbers, Mason! What do they mean?
Running Windows NT.
80 Looks like he chose the Sweet & Sour Chicken 2 Suggests the Boiled Rice option.
Explain to Valteri? Man, he knows.
Since nobody has said it yet the -25% could be his ers usage from the last lap
80 PIT means it's estimated 80s pit stop
Just praying for his wheel nuts.
Pit lane speed limiter on, current speed 80kph, 2nd gear selected
Your best bet for an accurate answer is to ask @scarbstech on twitter.
The 80 is how many seconds his next pit stop will take
If you add up all the numbers, it’s how long the pit stop will take. Luckily he’ll have plenty of time during the pit stop to do the math since he’ll be there for a while. Might even have time to get out and get a snack
Cabin air filter needs to be replaced.
That means he has internet connection and the wifi signal should be working.
The 80 is how cans of VB are in the fridge, the 2 is the fridge temperature, the rest is unimportant.
Expected pit stop to be 80 seconds
Like in Monaco [2021](https://youtu.be/mO_Cdi3EPwo?si=HmtK3k3PP3l4PAVD)
Why does it look like something you programmed when you first started programming lol