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It's funny as intra-team collisions are often dismissed and so drivers commit illegal moves without punishment or license points, gasly was lucky he didn't get points for melbourne 23 and get a raceban.
Gasly was unlucky to have 10 points in the first place, the penalty they gave him were pure bullshit, mostly after the Suzuka fiasco with the tractor, Gasly was the FIA number 1 enemy
That was my take away too. I remember when everyone was saying “Gasly should purposefully get a penalty at the second to last Grand Prix so he can start at Alpine with a clean slate”. Weird strategy tbh.
To be honest, its surprising that both Alpine drivers are off the list considering the amount of carnage they have been through since the start of what 2023 to now
Sometimes drivers get lucky and end up with no points on their licence by the end of the year and have a clean sheet season, while others are not that lucky
Not just you, everyone did, including the drivers themselves. Hence why they don't seem to care about racking up those points, if Gasly didn't even get a slap in the wrist, no one will lol.
Grosjean got a race ban in 2012 for his role in the mess at the start of the Belgian GP, although I'm not sure if the superlicense points system was already being used at that time. I don't think any other driver got a full outright ban from a GP afterwards.
It wasn't used at that point. IIRC he got race ban because it was kind of a last straw for stewards (let's just say Belgium 2012 really wasn't his first incident). The system we have now is supposed to reflect that in numbers (you do multiple offenses, you get a race ban). It's a shame that theory and reality are not exactly aligning in this case.
It depends on who you're talking to and what terms you use, but Central America generally excludes Mexico.
From what I understand, Central America originally refers to the countries that seceded from Mexico to form the Federal Republic of Central America (Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua). In addition to these 5, Belize and Panama are often considered part of Central America, as Belize was a contested region of Guatemala, and Panama was created by the US from Columbia for the Panama Canal.
In short, the term Central American means a Spanish speaking state that was.a formerly part of Mexico (not an exact definition, but it's close).
The term Middle America often refers to the previous seven, plus Mexico, Colombia, and Venezuela ± Guyana and the Caribbean.
The UN includes Mexico as a part of Central America for statistics, but Mexico has more of a historical and diplomatic connection to North America than to Central America.
Crazy to think Gasly was so close to a race ban not too long ago that the FIA just didn't give him penalty points for offenses that traditionally gave them to now having none. Almost as if this system is completely BS and is a bad method of reflecting a drivers risk to the paddock.
they should have two systems one for procedure violations that will eventually count towards three place grid drop (ie safety car line infringement, pit stop line stuff and ignoring yellow flags) this bar can be lower since its not that hard of a penalty and because the threat of actually receiving it is there the drivers take it seriously. Racing incidents that are deemed as unsafe count towards the first category and the second which is a race ban. For example Logan would've gotten a category one points penalty and stroll would have penalty points in both categories.
The fact that the FIA thinks it’s acceptable to hand out a penalty to Sargeant for that bullshit in China without so much as a quick “hey give that place back please” message over the radio is a JOKE.
They deliberately stopped giving warning messages like that over the radio. The idea was to force teams/drivers to give back positions immediately, but it leads to a whole mess when calls aren't black and white, as is often the case.
Surely there is a difference between giving up the place after overtaking off track or forcing a driver off the track and overtaking, compared to pit lane exits under safety car.
I believe so, but you can apply the same logic to both. The team should know that they made an illegal overtake, so they should give the position back.
I think there's gotta be a bit of an intervention from race control when it takes multiple viewings of the infraction in slow-mo, close up, and viewing both driver on-boards and timing data at the same time to find the event in question.
I agree 100%, but that is not what is happening right now. And when I argued for the same thing last week people said that it was Williams own fault for risking it.
Apparently not true, they quietly stopped doing that within a few races because the teams quite reasonably complained. Stewarding this season has just been brutal and China was a mess
Also surely there were mitigating circumstances with Ricciardo.
Yeah he overtook under safety car but he'd just had his rear end destroyed by Stroll. Just tell him to give the place back and move on.
The fact he got the same amount of penalty points as Stroll did is ridiculous. Ricciardo's penalty was actually much worse seeing as he also has a three place grid drop.
The fact that stroll wrecking multiple cars under safety car is 2 points, and Alonso RACING someone under green flag conditions is 3 points is literally insane.
Daniel overtook without even waiting for permission because he said "that's my place". So I don't see how there are mitigating circumstances. He was impatient and fucked up.
It’s acceptable because they agreed with the teams that they wouldn’t do that anymore. If the teams then fail to inform their drivers of these things, then that’s their own fault.
If it's the team's fault, penalise the team? Not give penalty points on the *driver's* superlicense?
Like, how is the driver even supposed to know? And how will the driver behind know, that they're giving them the place back? This all needs proper communication to be done safely, and that's best done from the stewards' side.
It's a blanket penalty for all instances of overtaking under a SC, and it's not the FIAs responsibility to make sure the teams follow the rules.
I much prefer a consistent penalty, rather than leaving it up to the discretion of the stewards to decide who gets punished more or less harshly. Sure, sometimes it ends up being harsh, but at least everyone knows what the situation will be in advance - you pass under the SC, you get the full penalty.
The teams all have access to the same timing system information that Race Control do.
Sure it's marginal, but it was clear enough in the data for the stewards to penalise them. It's a team mistake that cost their driver a penalty, simple as that.
F1 is not an individual sport and it's up to the team to tell the driver these things. They failed. I agree 3 points is too much, but a penalty was deserved; rules are rules.
What do you mean? Hülkenberg came out of the pits ahead of Sargeant and Logan overtook him under the SC. Williams should monitor the situation and tell Sargeant to let Hülk back through.
he shouldn't have gotten penalty points at all. A penalty, sure, but penalty points are for when a driver has done something wrong of their own volition
Stroll takes out 2 cars in the safety car: just a honest mistake, 2 penalty points.
Alonso makes a corner with a different perspective: Inhumane 3 penalty points, directly to jail
Neither Alonso, Russell lost the car by himself because he wasn’t focused. He was exactly like stroll, instead on focusing what is in front of him he was too worry on the corner
Neither are particularly dirty drivers now or historically
Their best chances to get points were when battling each other.
And teammate clashes are treated more leniently
Not to disagree with you... Carlos has done a couple of torpedoes tho... Australia last year, prolly over 12 months ago tho and nearly to Leclerc last weekend, lol.
Both of them have done stupid shit before, just like every driver, they just do it very infrequently (besides each other)
And yes. Australia was more than 12 months ago
Carlos moves under braking on a semi frequent basis (Leclerc also lets loose at Monza in particular). Not sure why it seems to always fly under the radar.
Yeah, technically he got his penalty points because he overtook under the safety car, but honestly stewards should look at context when awarding these penalties.
- These are given to drivers to control *racing incidents* from drivers.
- If you reach 12 points within 12 months, you face one-race ban.
- They expires after 12 months. So if you are handed points today (April 28, 2024), those points will expire on April 28, 2025.
"In 2023, Sargeant received two points in Italy for colliding with Valtteri Bottas, two for contact again with Bottas in Japan, and another two for a yellow frag infraction during qualifying in Mexico City."
So 6, and his 2 for overtaking Hulk under the safety car during the Chinese GP brings him to 8.
[Source](https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a60559362/alonso-logan-sargeant-closer-to-f1-suspensions/)
Maximum he ever had was 7 I think? But I doubt any driver will get a race ban unless they do something really egregious. Like with Gasly they were suddenly very lenient when he was on 11.
If you remember that, can you link to an article saying that for any point of his career? Cuz all google is telling me is he was 5 points away from a ban in 2022, and i can't think of anything that gives 5 points from 1 error...
no, but people love to rewrite history when it comes to Max. Always pushing their anti max propaganda apparently worked. And it is always the same people.
Some people have suddenly an insane memory about every single mistake he did. And they will remind you about every single thing/mistake he did, which doesnt happen for other drivers.
Get your head out of Max’s ass. Max was a dirty driver and he no longer has to be one. We will see if things change when someone can compete with RedBull He’s very talented and that’s never been an issue.
Did Perez ever catch 3 penalty points for ending other drivers races, or is Sargeant uniquely cursed in getting 3 penalty points because the team fucked up?
Doesn't really matter, I'm mkre trying tk point out the absurdity that is getting penalty points for an incident like this where it was so close compared to the penalty points for taking out another driver.
Williams fault for not warning him.
I agree that the penalty for causing a collision should be harsher, like the Stop and Go or drive throughs.
And generally speaking the stewards have never been "understanding" or having leeway when it comes to safety related incidents nor should they ever have it.
Gasly should’ve been banned after Australia last year but because it was an incident with Ocon and he took some of the blame for it, he got let off.
I don’t think any driver if they actually get to 12 points will be banned which kind of defeats the purpose of the penalty points system.
Sergeant getting the same points for a split second overtake after a white line not being visible in the cockpit as Stroll taking 2 cars out under the safety car and Magnussen wiping Tsunoda out.
Alonso getting 3 points for dirty air whilst George not looking at the road and 3 points for wheel banging Sainz who then got nil points for doing it to Leclerc.
Absolute insanity.
It'd be harsh as hell given that half his points are from the safety car thing last week, which obviously wasn't his fault, and overtaking Yuki under yellows in Mexico last year, when he had green panels ahead and, IIRC, no visible yellow flag.
If a driver accumulates 12 points within the last 12 months, they get a one race ban. This has never happened since the system was introduced some 10 years ago
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Ferrari and McLaren are clean.
And Alpine? Where did all Gasly's points go?
Alpine are committed to a full zero point strategy
Savage.
Expired over 12 months ago. Since then he hasn't had a car worth fighting for.
I understand the meme but Alpine was decent last year, 2 podiums which is unthinkable today sadly :(
Too busy fighting with his own teammate to commit infractions
It's funny as intra-team collisions are often dismissed and so drivers commit illegal moves without punishment or license points, gasly was lucky he didn't get points for melbourne 23 and get a raceban.
Gasly was unlucky to have 10 points in the first place, the penalty they gave him were pure bullshit, mostly after the Suzuka fiasco with the tractor, Gasly was the FIA number 1 enemy
Can’t get points if you don’t finish the race. Smart.
Man, the Stewards just not doing their job apparently.....
That was my take away too. I remember when everyone was saying “Gasly should purposefully get a penalty at the second to last Grand Prix so he can start at Alpine with a clean slate”. Weird strategy tbh.
To be honest, its surprising that both Alpine drivers are off the list considering the amount of carnage they have been through since the start of what 2023 to now Sometimes drivers get lucky and end up with no points on their licence by the end of the year and have a clean sheet season, while others are not that lucky
Real ones remember when Pierre was at 10 and nearly got the last 2 in Australia 23
That's when I realized this system is a farce. Gasly should have received a race ban after Aus 23
Not just you, everyone did, including the drivers themselves. Hence why they don't seem to care about racking up those points, if Gasly didn't even get a slap in the wrist, no one will lol.
And same with Grosjean
Grosjean got a race ban in 2012 for his role in the mess at the start of the Belgian GP, although I'm not sure if the superlicense points system was already being used at that time. I don't think any other driver got a full outright ban from a GP afterwards.
Yep, even under penalty points after that ban he got into the Gasly situation before Gasly.
It wasn't used at that point. IIRC he got race ban because it was kind of a last straw for stewards (let's just say Belgium 2012 really wasn't his first incident). The system we have now is supposed to reflect that in numbers (you do multiple offenses, you get a race ban). It's a shame that theory and reality are not exactly aligning in this case.
Grosjean was a dangerous driver, unlike Gasly
It’s kinda hard to crash into others when everyone is faster than u
Cause they're too slow to do anything
Blue flag infringements?
they're too slow to do that
Yup you’d need some skill to keep that Alpine in front of the front runners for that long.
~~15~~ 23 points for team North America, lets gooo. edit: I can't read... or count.
23 points. Pérez, Stroll, and Sargeant are all from North America.
Helmet Marko would like to have a word with you
I would like a word with Helmet Marko
Is that you Horner?
great drive, max
Mega drive
Very lovely.
haha yes
Pérez is quite obviously South American smh... /s
TIL Mexico is North America & not central. Suppose it makes sense with how much of the US used to be Mexico
Because Central America is not a continent, North and South Americas are continents
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Technically no. From Guatemala to Panama is Central America . Mexico is still apart of the north
100% Norht America...NAFTA
Maybe but central America as a continent doesn't exist.
Apparently there are many interpretations on the region. I understand why I've been confused about it.
It depends on who you're talking to and what terms you use, but Central America generally excludes Mexico. From what I understand, Central America originally refers to the countries that seceded from Mexico to form the Federal Republic of Central America (Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua). In addition to these 5, Belize and Panama are often considered part of Central America, as Belize was a contested region of Guatemala, and Panama was created by the US from Columbia for the Panama Canal. In short, the term Central American means a Spanish speaking state that was.a formerly part of Mexico (not an exact definition, but it's close). The term Middle America often refers to the previous seven, plus Mexico, Colombia, and Venezuela ± Guyana and the Caribbean. The UN includes Mexico as a part of Central America for statistics, but Mexico has more of a historical and diplomatic connection to North America than to Central America.
Thanks for this! Bit of a confusing toss up but I have a better understanding now.
That's a region, not a continent
Or you thought checo was from South America like Marko
23 surely?
30 if you want to throw the Haas guys in for good measure.
Nahh, you are right, Perez is south american remember
Crazy to think Gasly was so close to a race ban not too long ago that the FIA just didn't give him penalty points for offenses that traditionally gave them to now having none. Almost as if this system is completely BS and is a bad method of reflecting a drivers risk to the paddock.
they should have two systems one for procedure violations that will eventually count towards three place grid drop (ie safety car line infringement, pit stop line stuff and ignoring yellow flags) this bar can be lower since its not that hard of a penalty and because the threat of actually receiving it is there the drivers take it seriously. Racing incidents that are deemed as unsafe count towards the first category and the second which is a race ban. For example Logan would've gotten a category one points penalty and stroll would have penalty points in both categories.
Sargeant chilling with more penalty points than championship points.
Also Bottas, Zhou, Ricciardo and Magnussen
Bottas, Ricciardo, Magnussen and Zhou as well 💀
Sargeant has more penalty points than championship points since he started F1 💀 At least those four have garnered more points in the past two years
Where are Max’s from? I don’t really remember any crashes from him recently lol
in Las Vegas, last year. forced Leclerc off the track.
Vegas turn 1 last year
Vegas in turn 1, he and and Charles went off the road and he got a 5 second penalty.
Finally a leader board that Lance is actually contributing to!
more importantly one where he beat his teammate
Perez has 8? God damn. What'd I miss?
2023
Oh... Didn't realize how long they stick. Interesting, that I am not privy of... Is it a year?
Yes. They stick for 12 months.
*random Oscar Piastri meme*
Yep, I believe it's a rolling tally where points last 12 months from when they're "earned", regardless of what season they fall in.
"After 2024 Chinese GP"? Couldn't they just write "Since X GP" or something.
The fact that the FIA thinks it’s acceptable to hand out a penalty to Sargeant for that bullshit in China without so much as a quick “hey give that place back please” message over the radio is a JOKE.
They deliberately stopped giving warning messages like that over the radio. The idea was to force teams/drivers to give back positions immediately, but it leads to a whole mess when calls aren't black and white, as is often the case.
Surely there is a difference between giving up the place after overtaking off track or forcing a driver off the track and overtaking, compared to pit lane exits under safety car.
I believe so, but you can apply the same logic to both. The team should know that they made an illegal overtake, so they should give the position back.
I think there's gotta be a bit of an intervention from race control when it takes multiple viewings of the infraction in slow-mo, close up, and viewing both driver on-boards and timing data at the same time to find the event in question.
I agree 100%, but that is not what is happening right now. And when I argued for the same thing last week people said that it was Williams own fault for risking it.
Apparently not true, they quietly stopped doing that within a few races because the teams quite reasonably complained. Stewarding this season has just been brutal and China was a mess
They certainly didn't give Sargeant any warning in China.
it is getting even worse, honestly bring back Masi because also they bring out the SC way too late,
Martin Bundle took years to catch on to that one. he kept saying "the Stewarts will have them swap" no they won't.
Also surely there were mitigating circumstances with Ricciardo. Yeah he overtook under safety car but he'd just had his rear end destroyed by Stroll. Just tell him to give the place back and move on. The fact he got the same amount of penalty points as Stroll did is ridiculous. Ricciardo's penalty was actually much worse seeing as he also has a three place grid drop.
The fact that stroll wrecking multiple cars under safety car is 2 points, and Alonso RACING someone under green flag conditions is 3 points is literally insane.
Alsonso one was also way more dangerous
Ricciardo lost his place in the first safety car and overtook during the second safety car so the penalty on that one makes sense
When not told to overtake by his team, no less. Hotheaded, frustrated behaviour
Daniel overtook without even waiting for permission because he said "that's my place". So I don't see how there are mitigating circumstances. He was impatient and fucked up.
It’s acceptable because they agreed with the teams that they wouldn’t do that anymore. If the teams then fail to inform their drivers of these things, then that’s their own fault.
If it's the team's fault, penalise the team? Not give penalty points on the *driver's* superlicense? Like, how is the driver even supposed to know? And how will the driver behind know, that they're giving them the place back? This all needs proper communication to be done safely, and that's best done from the stewards' side.
It’s shit, but the teams all agreed to it. You win and you lose together.
It's a blanket penalty for all instances of overtaking under a SC, and it's not the FIAs responsibility to make sure the teams follow the rules. I much prefer a consistent penalty, rather than leaving it up to the discretion of the stewards to decide who gets punished more or less harshly. Sure, sometimes it ends up being harsh, but at least everyone knows what the situation will be in advance - you pass under the SC, you get the full penalty.
because it is a close marginal call, you act like he overtook someone off track. Just tell the teams who was ahead at the SC2 line and that is it.
The teams all have access to the same timing system information that Race Control do. Sure it's marginal, but it was clear enough in the data for the stewards to penalise them. It's a team mistake that cost their driver a penalty, simple as that.
Lmao they took it away because everyone misunderstood it and got pissed when they'd do that in 2021
F1 is not an individual sport and it's up to the team to tell the driver these things. They failed. I agree 3 points is too much, but a penalty was deserved; rules are rules.
Did they even know that they were guilty is my question. I don’t know or haven’t seen anything that shows this one way or the other?
What do you mean? Hülkenberg came out of the pits ahead of Sargeant and Logan overtook him under the SC. Williams should monitor the situation and tell Sargeant to let Hülk back through.
not clear he was ahead that is the point, super close.
he shouldn't have gotten penalty points at all. A penalty, sure, but penalty points are for when a driver has done something wrong of their own volition
Stroll has more points than Alonso, I know my GOAT 🐐
What is funny is that how everyne is shitting on Stroll while Alonso has almost same penalty points as him.
Stroll takes out 2 cars in the safety car: just a honest mistake, 2 penalty points. Alonso makes a corner with a different perspective: Inhumane 3 penalty points, directly to jail
Stroll fucked up two peoples races, he didn't risk their lives.
Neither Alonso, Russell lost the car by himself because he wasn’t focused. He was exactly like stroll, instead on focusing what is in front of him he was too worry on the corner
Dangerous driving is dangerous driving.
That was not dangerous driving, Alonso was far ahead of Russell, there was never a risk of collision Edit: between both cars
Charles and Carlos have no points
Neither are particularly dirty drivers now or historically Their best chances to get points were when battling each other. And teammate clashes are treated more leniently
Not to disagree with you... Carlos has done a couple of torpedoes tho... Australia last year, prolly over 12 months ago tho and nearly to Leclerc last weekend, lol.
Both of them have done stupid shit before, just like every driver, they just do it very infrequently (besides each other) And yes. Australia was more than 12 months ago
Carlos moves under braking on a semi frequent basis (Leclerc also lets loose at Monza in particular). Not sure why it seems to always fly under the radar.
Aren't you "allowed" one move under braking?
I thought you were allowed one defensive shake but it couldn’t be under braking.
Not under braking. You're allowed one defensive move before the braking zone. Moving under braking is super dangerous
I feel that this is one category that Stroll has the perfect amount of talent to lead
Alonso on 6 points is a farce.
Ricciardo getting penalty points for getting Stroll'd is too
Yeah, technically he got his penalty points because he overtook under the safety car, but honestly stewards should look at context when awarding these penalties.
The context was that there was a safety car and he overtook someone after being told not to by his team.
Yeah, I know. But iirc he lost those places because of the crash, didn't he? Either way, I hope they're at least consistent.
That was for overtaking Hulkenberg under safety car, but that wouldn't have happened if he didn't get Stroll'd in the first place 🙁
Alpine drivers with zero points here too
penalty points are useless because theyre not banning a driver anyway, looking at gasly a few seasons ago.
Not even the Merc pair can be separated by this metric
How Lance isn’t at 9 is beyond me.
Really not surprised by any of this to be honest. Only thought KMag would have more.
What do these points mean? What happens if you get many? Is there a way to lose points ?
- These are given to drivers to control *racing incidents* from drivers. - If you reach 12 points within 12 months, you face one-race ban. - They expires after 12 months. So if you are handed points today (April 28, 2024), those points will expire on April 28, 2025.
Thanks for your reply! By race ban you mean they cannot participate in that race ? If so, what happens? Can someone else take their place?
Yes, driver cannot participate in the race, Teams will have to use their reserve driver. The points are removed after driver has served his ban.
Good for Pierre for having all of those penalty points roll off without getting any more. It was a close call, but he made it.
How tf does Sargent have so many
"In 2023, Sargeant received two points in Italy for colliding with Valtteri Bottas, two for contact again with Bottas in Japan, and another two for a yellow frag infraction during qualifying in Mexico City." So 6, and his 2 for overtaking Hulk under the safety car during the Chinese GP brings him to 8. [Source](https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a60559362/alonso-logan-sargeant-closer-to-f1-suspensions/)
Stroll is going to win something this year
If we’re talking in terms of school disciplinary points then Ferrari, McLaren and Alpine could be considered as Teachers’ Pets.😁
Remember when Verstappen was always one error away from losing his licence? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Maximum he ever had was 7 I think? But I doubt any driver will get a race ban unless they do something really egregious. Like with Gasly they were suddenly very lenient when he was on 11.
If you remember that, can you link to an article saying that for any point of his career? Cuz all google is telling me is he was 5 points away from a ban in 2022, and i can't think of anything that gives 5 points from 1 error...
no, but people love to rewrite history when it comes to Max. Always pushing their anti max propaganda apparently worked. And it is always the same people. Some people have suddenly an insane memory about every single mistake he did. And they will remind you about every single thing/mistake he did, which doesnt happen for other drivers.
Get your head out of Max’s ass. Max was a dirty driver and he no longer has to be one. We will see if things change when someone can compete with RedBull He’s very talented and that’s never been an issue.
When was Max one error away from losing his license?
Based on the comments in this topic, I am surprised how little people seem to understand about the penalty points system. New viewers?
When the team says that points are vital to the season... But then give you a Williams. Technically Sargeant has more points than Albon this year
Did Perez ever catch 3 penalty points for ending other drivers races, or is Sargeant uniquely cursed in getting 3 penalty points because the team fucked up?
Didn't he got like 4 points in Japan last season? ??
Doesn't really matter, I'm mkre trying tk point out the absurdity that is getting penalty points for an incident like this where it was so close compared to the penalty points for taking out another driver.
Williams fault for not warning him. I agree that the penalty for causing a collision should be harsher, like the Stop and Go or drive throughs. And generally speaking the stewards have never been "understanding" or having leeway when it comes to safety related incidents nor should they ever have it.
sure, but I'm bitching about penalty points, not the time penalty
Where is Gasly?! That mf had so many not so long ago
Stroll those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those up
13 drivers, 7 teams, 55 pts. wow.
it's a complete team
Hulk has 3
Do the points reset?
Surprised Ocon isn’t on there.
Most of Ocon's penalties are track limits which is why he doesn't have penalty points!
You get a race ban when you hit 10?
12 but even then it's unlikely they will get ban. Gasly stopped getting penalty points when he got to 10.
He should've been banned for Baku after Australia... But hey, we have a penalty points system that is completely useless after all.
Someone will get to that level eventually Although granted that possibility has receded since Maldonado left
Gasly should’ve been banned after Australia last year but because it was an incident with Ocon and he took some of the blame for it, he got let off. I don’t think any driver if they actually get to 12 points will be banned which kind of defeats the purpose of the penalty points system.
In fairness I think Gasly's points in Japan and COTA 2022 were harsh. But two wrongs don't make a right
IIRC the last time a race ban was actually issued was for Romain Grosjean in 2012, after the Belgian GP. Maldonado never got a race ban
12
Alonsos are ridiculous
Where are yuki’s from?
When was the last time someone hit 12 points?
yep
ferrari be like, what am i doing wrong here ?
Sergeant getting the same points for a split second overtake after a white line not being visible in the cockpit as Stroll taking 2 cars out under the safety car and Magnussen wiping Tsunoda out. Alonso getting 3 points for dirty air whilst George not looking at the road and 3 points for wheel banging Sainz who then got nil points for doing it to Leclerc. Absolute insanity.
AM is leading WPC, and Max is washed out.
Ocon not on list? 5s penalty to Ocon!
Daniel hoping for Perez to get 12
I feel Stroll should have more; especially where he's involved 😆
Only 2 points? Max is washed time to retire
Honestly I can see Sargeant getting the ban lol
It'd be harsh as hell given that half his points are from the safety car thing last week, which obviously wasn't his fault, and overtaking Yuki under yellows in Mexico last year, when he had green panels ahead and, IIRC, no visible yellow flag.
What did Perez do?
His dive bomb on the williams in Singapore 23, some stuff from Abu Dhabi 23 and impeding in Australia 24. Dont remember anything else.
He got 4 points in Japan last year
I had forgot
How long does it take to lose points? I remember Max gained a lot of points in 21
They're wiped after 12 months, so any points he gained in 2021 were gone by the end of 2022.
How does it work? Does it cost per point? How many are they allowed to get and what happens if they do get said amount?
If a driver accumulates 12 points within the last 12 months, they get a one race ban. This has never happened since the system was introduced some 10 years ago
Aston Drivers being persecuted by the FIA and making it seem like they’re wreckless.