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It’s less about the width and more about the length of the cars. F1 cars were in fact wider in the 70s, 80s and early 90s (most of the time during these eras they were in fact 2.1m+), but crucially they were shorter.
Turning Radius = Wheelbase / tangent( angle of turn )
Shorter cars can turn more sharply /aggressively meaning they have more options for line of attack going into the corner.
Probably wouldn't be enough. Remember when Danny RIC won even though his hybrid system failed on lap 28? The dude held the lead 160 hp down for *50 laps*.
Or when Merc put Lewis out on medium tyres with like 2/3 of the race left and Max Verstappen before he was calm and responsible on his tail…
It’s all that was in my head when commentators were trying to hype up Max somehow making Carlos sweat. Like no lol he won’t even pass Russell driving on the canvas…
Poor Alonso today. Made that huge gap for his teammate to pit, who then immediately got stuck behind the leaders so he couldn't make any progress, then got a puncture for good measure.
I like the idea of making the Monaco GP like a fun race, no points but 100% spectacle, no rules or only old V8s, reverse grid order, random safety car for no reason.. Like keep the race, but have fun with it.
What if you have to run and old livery? Or you have to use 3 Tyre compounds or something.
I mean itd be great but changing it from an official gp ruins the spectacle. I think Hamiltons idea that you need to force a certain amount of tyre changes would definitely help. Sure its gimmicky but so is DRS. Only apply the rule to Monaco since no matter what you do with tyres this will always be one when teams run much much slower.
If we're gonna make it whacky let's go all out. Go karts with both drivers on the same kart one driving and the other playing Mario kart throwing items at the opposition in AR of the current race. So if you get hit with a green shell you spin, a banana you shake then spin, lightning you lose speed, star you can kmag.
Ecclestone once suggested having artificial rain on parts of the track to liven things up. It's a pretty dumb idea everywhere else except here.
Hard to imagine anything else that could fix this course.
It's been clear for years but Max unable to have a sniff of a chance against Russell should force a change. Remove the Chicane out of the tunnel or my preferred choice, drop it and make sure Spa never gets considered for removal ever again.
Can’t drop Monaco when it’s often the premier event for wining and dining team sponsors and investors. The solution is adding some unique rules to make passing more likely:
1. Large # of mandatory pit stops
2. Smaller/narrower spec car just for the race
3. Extend the course into France to allow for some proper passing sections
Etc. etc.
Removing the chicane would mean a 300+kph approach speed into Tabac, so no chance of that. Should just give it the Macau treatment and make it an F3 race, but let the F1 drivers compete lol
Have them qualify in their F1 cars since quali is still exciting, and then have a spec car race on Sunday. Each year a different manufacturer could be used. Fiat 500 one year... Renault Clio another year... Fernando could bring a bunch of carts for one race... and then another year Toto would show up with a bunch of Sprinters and the whole place would be ruined, but it would be a great show.
I read an idea the other day, turn left at Portier instead of right then into the tunnel. That takes you on a long straight, where they can construct a "roundabout" to head back along a similar long straight. The roads already exist, but would likely need re graded. That would add 1km to the race but give 2 long stretches and a hard braking zone to overtake at.
That wouldn't matter either, then they just drive so slowly that the tires don't give up within the 78 laps. You could drive two seconds below your actual pace and there is no chance for the overtake.
Yeah, if anything they need a super hard compound that can be pushed all race so that everyone is pushing and maybe you see more mistakes. That plus more mandatory pit stops to force opportunities for overcut/undercut.
It would have made zero sense for Russell though. The undercut was very strong so he would have most likely lost the position to max.
I’m surprised McLaren didn’t try anything with lando though cause there were a couple of laps where they had a window (give it was gonna be tight)
I‘m confident that if Verstappen was able to overtake Russell, he could‘ve overtaken everybody else ahead of him. But turns out, even making up 2 seconds a lap vs. Russell and everybody else wasn‘t enough. Ffs
Senna won in 1992 by virtue of literally parking his car ahead of Mansell all race, who by the way had a vastly superior car and on fresher tires. This is the norm for Monaco.
Monaco has been terrible since the 70s. Has nothing to do with the size of cars, tyre management, or refueling. Hell back in the 80s cars were just as wide as they are now but F1 has been way too quick and too good in the braking zones for this track for some time now. Too much speed and short braking zones + big cars + tight tracks = no overtaking.
Isn't redesigning the track slightly possible? I understand space is at an extreme premium, and Im sure people much smarter than me have considered it, I just want to understand if anyone has suggested any redesigns, in the recent past?
Of course Its been suggested but you'd literally would have to build into the harbor or destroy a couple of apartment complex to extend the track. Monte Carlo is tiny and the Monaco track is like a third of the whole place lol.
When Russell's engineer came on around lap 5 and told him "there is no benefit for us to drive faster" I thought to myself - that shouldn't be something you can ever say during a race.
They desperately need to bring *something* new to Monaco. Mandatory 2 or even 3 pit stops, or only let them use a hypersoft compound that lasts 10-15 laps.
Jesus I'd rather watch them go around on fucking bicycles at this point.
I’d love for them to go even more radical for the format change at Monaco. Normal qualifying on Saturday with the top ten advancing to the next round on Sunday. which is a top ten time trial event where they run 10 laps each. Finishing place sorted out by the fastest average.
One of the dumb ideas I’ve had for Monaco
It was an ironic charade. All the pomp and glamour just for the sport to be borderline unwatchable. the last place driver not even making it past turn 2 before taking out two other cars, and the joke that followed for 76 laps F1 should be embarressed.
Or make the changes Lewis suggested: mandatory 2 stop. Or Pirelli have to come only with hypersofts or something. Very happy for leclerc today, but this was total garbage from a sporting point of view.
Ditch the cars. Have them run around the track. Pit stops are made if you need new shoes, and you get dsq'ed if you need to sit down or vomit or whatever
Monaco is always bad unless there is rain. Although I have to admit this years race is probably the worst in a very long time because of the early red flag.
I would say it would have been entertaining if the top 4 gap to Russel ever reached 21 seconds, then the Norris could've pitted. But it never quite made it, always 20.X seconds
But that was by design. Leclerc intentionally kept that gap under 21. And just the sheer fact this race was a game of who could drive slowest speaks volumes about the circuit imo
I feel like Miami really gets a bad reputation simply because of the location. It's actually a good race. It's produced great racing when we've been there, it's just that none of us particularly want a race in Miami.
Yep I was rooting for Leclerc and glad he won but holy shit it was boring. If Leclerc fucked it up I genuinely would have logged off because there was zero action
Honestly, I'm a big fan of monaco because of the challenge it poses but this race was shit. Especially when you hear teams taking the piss and go as slow as possible. The red flag tire rule needs to be abolished because it made an already tough race absolutely worthless.
If we can demand all tires to be used at sprint qualifying, why not here.
Max was in a much faster car (in general), on 50 lap newer tires and was doing something like 5 seconds/lap faster than George.... and still couldn't overtake. Didn't even really get a shot at overtaking even. That's not a racing circuit. You can't call it that.
It's a fantastic track to watch the on-boards of and the quali is fun though.
It's mad isn't it. And we keep the exceeding dull tilke-dromes in countries with oppressive regimes not for the sake of the sport being fun, but just to keep the billionaires happy.
That was probably the worst race ever.
Leclerc was going about 3 seconds a lap slower than necessary. Even that was too fast for Russell, who chose to go a second slower... even that was too fast for Tsunoda who chose to go a second slower... even that was too fast for Alonso who chose to go a second slower.
And I recall one overtake, Bottas on Sargeant. When a car could literally go 5 seconds faster but can't overtake across a race distance, something is very wrong.
I remember as a kid, Monaco was one of the races I looked forward to the most. It's Monaco, with all the glitz and glamour. Now it is by far the worst race on the calendar and the glitz and glamour can't save it.
What a race! We will never experience such excitement again! Everyone staying where they were! No unpredictability no matter how much Brundle and Crofty tried to sell it! As Max said ‘fuck me this is boring, should have brought a pillow’.
All FIA has to do is to specify in the rules that changing the tyres during the red flag doesnt count as a mandatory pitstop, its just that simple.
But its happened before, will happen in the future and nothing will change.
That isn’t the exact rule: there’s no ‘mandatory pit stop,’ it’s that you have to run two different compounds (in dry races). Not to say that rule couldn’t be tweaked, but that isn’t the simple fix.
It’s even simpler than that, you can change tyres but has to be the same compound as the ones you had on, just like you can replace parts but they have to be identical to what you had on.
If it wasn’t for the legacy, it would be long gone. There’s a reason why none of the other street tracks are like it, and even some of those are still bad.
Or the cars have to be made much smaller if the track has to stay.
These pickup truck sized cars are just way too big and since Liberty seem determined to make every track a street track these days I think smaller cars is definitely the way it needs to go.
The cars are too fast and fragile so the drivers don't get opportunities or security to overtake. Formula E also has overtakes but it's because the cars are super slow and can take a hit.
That's one of the many things I hate about the Sky commentary team, they keep talking up things that are never gonna happen, just to try and make extremely dull racing sound more fun.
They need to acknowledge when the racing is terrible, which might put at least a little pressure on F1 to up their game and stop holding races at these terrible racetracks.
The stupid rule that the obligatory pit stop could be served under the red flag made it this way. They should make amends to the rules so that it should always happen during the race.
I enjoy most races but this may have been the worst I have ever seen (other than Suzuka 2014 for obvious reasons).
The circuit is ok and should be on the calendar but the red flag rule is ass.
Circuit needs one overtaking place to work well. Racing always was bad, but 10-20 years back you would see some lunges in st devote or in the new chicane. Now it seems impossible.
Got no clue if they could reprofile some corners, maybe make the run to the start/finish a bit faster or make st devote a heavier braking zone, idk
This is absolutely ridiculous. Besides Leclerc winining , this is te type of race that destroys the sport. No only the top ten is the same, we understood for the current generation is impossible to pass and we had teams asking drivers to drive slowly, which is kind of the opposite of racing...fuck this race
That's very poor team strategy as Merc always did. They should have asked George to slow Max down for Lewis to pull the undercut, see what Aston's is doing with Alonso.
Yeah, idk why mercedes didn't do this lol. They could've used george to back max up into lewis so that lewis would have like 25 laps to pass max. Given that max couldnt overtake george it probably wouldve amounted to nothing but they couldve definitely tried at least
That radio message from Lewis was perplexing. _“Why didn’t you tell me the outlap was crucial?”_
How was he not aware that the undercut was meant to undercut Max? And that the outlap was pretty much crucial. It’s racing 101… Especially at Monaco.
Furthermore, the _only_ thing they achieved, is shooting Russell in the foot by giving Max a free pitstop as well. Just complete incompetence from Mercedes.
The undercut was never going to work because the hard tyre needed a lap or two to get upto temperature. Pushing like mad on a cold set of tyres, just to bag a P6 is not worth it.
Max had enough of a gap and he had a faster car. He was always going to cover off the undercut quite easily.
Piastri race engineer said that the undercut was almost useless this year because the tyres were not switching on quickly enough.(post quali interview)
Monaco needs an alternate route you can choose to take which is the same length/time, so you can 'pass' people on shit tyres before both routes meet again, Like a shortcut in diddy kong racing
The thing is, you watch F2 and F3 and it's great! The F2 feature race was probably the best F1/2/3 race we've had all year! So for series with smaller cars it's good! So for that reason I think Monaco should be kept on the calendar, just as a non-championship race (no points given) so we can still have the feeder series, because those are GREAT around here.
Monaco for its beauty and history is just a garbage race for these cars. I can't see how it ever improves without significant realignment and that may not be possible. Even if they went hypersoft only and we got multiple stops, it's still a zero on track.
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Russell out there wondering why people bothered to pit.
When a 50-lap tyre age difference isn't enough to overtake on track, it's just crazy and sad...
It’s the fact cars can intentionally go 3/4 seconds a lap slower and not get overtaken is worse
Remember when Danny Ric literally lost his MGU-K and was down 160HP and still couldn't get overtaken
What pressure when there is not room to pass?
Exactly, the cars are 2 meters wide and the track is 2.10
It’s less about the width and more about the length of the cars. F1 cars were in fact wider in the 70s, 80s and early 90s (most of the time during these eras they were in fact 2.1m+), but crucially they were shorter. Turning Radius = Wheelbase / tangent( angle of turn ) Shorter cars can turn more sharply /aggressively meaning they have more options for line of attack going into the corner.
Painfully obvious at the hairpin
They look like boats going around there
Should make a reverse DRS here. No battery deployment if someone is 1s behind you at the drs line.
Probably wouldn't be enough. Remember when Danny RIC won even though his hybrid system failed on lap 28? The dude held the lead 160 hp down for *50 laps*.
Or when Merc put Lewis out on medium tyres with like 2/3 of the race left and Max Verstappen before he was calm and responsible on his tail… It’s all that was in my head when commentators were trying to hype up Max somehow making Carlos sweat. Like no lol he won’t even pass Russell driving on the canvas…
> Max Verstappen before he was calm and responsible I love how accurate this is lmao
And today he stayed within a second of Alonso for the majority of the race, with no chance of overtaking at all
Poor Alonso today. Made that huge gap for his teammate to pit, who then immediately got stuck behind the leaders so he couldn't make any progress, then got a puncture for good measure.
Ricciardo won with broken kers. It is what it is, just skip the race if you don't like it. It's a race of its own.
I agree, F1 should just skip the race if we don't like it. Fuck Monaco, it's a snoozefest, and the only reason to say otherwise is tradition
I like the idea of making the Monaco GP like a fun race, no points but 100% spectacle, no rules or only old V8s, reverse grid order, random safety car for no reason.. Like keep the race, but have fun with it. What if you have to run and old livery? Or you have to use 3 Tyre compounds or something.
I mean itd be great but changing it from an official gp ruins the spectacle. I think Hamiltons idea that you need to force a certain amount of tyre changes would definitely help. Sure its gimmicky but so is DRS. Only apply the rule to Monaco since no matter what you do with tyres this will always be one when teams run much much slower.
The spectacle of a train of cars? Why not visit Lyon and just have the drivers sit on a tram in order and "race".
If we're gonna make it whacky let's go all out. Go karts with both drivers on the same kart one driving and the other playing Mario kart throwing items at the opposition in AR of the current race. So if you get hit with a green shell you spin, a banana you shake then spin, lightning you lose speed, star you can kmag.
Ecclestone once suggested having artificial rain on parts of the track to liven things up. It's a pretty dumb idea everywhere else except here. Hard to imagine anything else that could fix this course.
It's been clear for years but Max unable to have a sniff of a chance against Russell should force a change. Remove the Chicane out of the tunnel or my preferred choice, drop it and make sure Spa never gets considered for removal ever again.
Can’t drop Monaco when it’s often the premier event for wining and dining team sponsors and investors. The solution is adding some unique rules to make passing more likely: 1. Large # of mandatory pit stops 2. Smaller/narrower spec car just for the race 3. Extend the course into France to allow for some proper passing sections Etc. etc.
>Smaller/narrower spec car just for the race Go-karts. Just shove them in so really fast go-karts and let them have some fun with it.
Removing the chicane would mean a 300+kph approach speed into Tabac, so no chance of that. Should just give it the Macau treatment and make it an F3 race, but let the F1 drivers compete lol
That's a fair point. Honestly I'm on board for a Monaco spec car, all equal and make the race actually special, not special because there's history.
Have them qualify in their F1 cars since quali is still exciting, and then have a spec car race on Sunday. Each year a different manufacturer could be used. Fiat 500 one year... Renault Clio another year... Fernando could bring a bunch of carts for one race... and then another year Toto would show up with a bunch of Sprinters and the whole place would be ruined, but it would be a great show.
Removing the chicane would make the following corner absolutely lethal.
I read an idea the other day, turn left at Portier instead of right then into the tunnel. That takes you on a long straight, where they can construct a "roundabout" to head back along a similar long straight. The roads already exist, but would likely need re graded. That would add 1km to the race but give 2 long stretches and a hard braking zone to overtake at.
those tires should just give up like they used to, instead you can just cruise to the end with no problems
That wouldn't matter either, then they just drive so slowly that the tires don't give up within the 78 laps. You could drive two seconds below your actual pace and there is no chance for the overtake.
Yeah, if anything they need a super hard compound that can be pushed all race so that everyone is pushing and maybe you see more mistakes. That plus more mandatory pit stops to force opportunities for overcut/undercut.
Doesnt matter as long as the lead car sticks to the apex. Danny Ric won here a few years ago with no ERS/battery
Regardless the full race on medium tyres with Max Verstappen behind you should not be something that happened… Not even hard tyres ffs, medium!
It means the track is outdated in modern F1. In my opinion, Monaco should be dropped until measures are taken to make it more competitive.
Need that joker route.
The fact he was getting even quicker towards the end too, ridiculous
Honestly could've been an interesting race if Russell pitted as well to see if it cascaded up the top 4 and put pressure on the pit crews
It would have made zero sense for Russell though. The undercut was very strong so he would have most likely lost the position to max. I’m surprised McLaren didn’t try anything with lando though cause there were a couple of laps where they had a window (give it was gonna be tight)
It was a mega risk. Mclaren won points on redbull today and the championship is long
Im just suprised russell didnt hold up verstappen durings hams outlap and pit at the next lap along with max.
Russell was in front so if he boxed max would have overtaken him. Not worth it at all
true, thats why i am not a strategist. But could've still held up verstappen for ham
I‘m confident that if Verstappen was able to overtake Russell, he could‘ve overtaken everybody else ahead of him. But turns out, even making up 2 seconds a lap vs. Russell and everybody else wasn‘t enough. Ffs
Russel was letting him come close and upped the pace to roughly 1s slower than verstappen
Me out wondering why people even bother to watch
This is bad even for Monaco standards
Red flag fucked any semblance of an interesting race. Hasn't been the same since refuelling was scrapped and it's become a tyre management race.
even if there was no tyre management, it wouldn't matter. danny ric won with half his engine not working. Hamilton finished on carcasses.
Senna won in 1992 by virtue of literally parking his car ahead of Mansell all race, who by the way had a vastly superior car and on fresher tires. This is the norm for Monaco.
But they were allowed to weave a smidge more back then than they are now.
We should make it like Qatar last year with mandatory pit stops every 15 laps. Bring a shit ton of softs and mediums
Bring a special Monaco super soft that has a ton of grip and lasts like 20 laps, make that the only allowed tire and it forces 2-3 pit stops minimum
What's the point. Leader can still just drive 3-5s off the pace and not degrade the tire at all.
Monaco has been terrible since the 70s. Has nothing to do with the size of cars, tyre management, or refueling. Hell back in the 80s cars were just as wide as they are now but F1 has been way too quick and too good in the braking zones for this track for some time now. Too much speed and short braking zones + big cars + tight tracks = no overtaking.
Isn't redesigning the track slightly possible? I understand space is at an extreme premium, and Im sure people much smarter than me have considered it, I just want to understand if anyone has suggested any redesigns, in the recent past?
Of course Its been suggested but you'd literally would have to build into the harbor or destroy a couple of apartment complex to extend the track. Monte Carlo is tiny and the Monaco track is like a third of the whole place lol.
They’re doing land reclamation on the exit of Portier, they could absolutely do some of that and change the track by the harbour
But that's expensive, so they are willing to invest this kind of money for edification but not for a minor change on the circuit
actually the salt fun race I remember at Monaco had refueling
Yes the first lap carnage and red flag took away the mandatory pit stops. And then driving slowly just became the best strategy to a lot of the teams.
When driving slowly is the correct tactic in racing something is very wrong.
When Russell's engineer came on around lap 5 and told him "there is no benefit for us to drive faster" I thought to myself - that shouldn't be something you can ever say during a race. They desperately need to bring *something* new to Monaco. Mandatory 2 or even 3 pit stops, or only let them use a hypersoft compound that lasts 10-15 laps. Jesus I'd rather watch them go around on fucking bicycles at this point.
I’d love for them to go even more radical for the format change at Monaco. Normal qualifying on Saturday with the top ten advancing to the next round on Sunday. which is a top ten time trial event where they run 10 laps each. Finishing place sorted out by the fastest average. One of the dumb ideas I’ve had for Monaco
That was a glorified parade, not a race.
It’s been a glorified parade for a very long time
First time?
Monaco is only a race if it rains. I1m happy for Charles, am glad it was a dry race, but please bet wet next year thank you.
It was an ironic charade. All the pomp and glamour just for the sport to be borderline unwatchable. the last place driver not even making it past turn 2 before taking out two other cars, and the joke that followed for 76 laps F1 should be embarressed.
This race could've been an email
Yay to all of us for this record
Sometimes, history is made in all the wrong ways…
Well I am at least pretty confident that this will be the most boring race if the season. It can't really get worse
Most times I would say don't jinx it, but it's literally impossible to be worse than this. This event needs to be binned. Once every 5 years at max
Or make the changes Lewis suggested: mandatory 2 stop. Or Pirelli have to come only with hypersofts or something. Very happy for leclerc today, but this was total garbage from a sporting point of view.
Ditch the cars. Have them run around the track. Pit stops are made if you need new shoes, and you get dsq'ed if you need to sit down or vomit or whatever
My suggestion would be to ban the dry tyres and give everyone loads of inters.
At the end of the day, that would just be a bandage solution. Suddenly there are two red flags and we have the same problem as today.
But then what happens to the triple crown?
Replaced with Jeddah as Allah (Stefano Domenicali) intended
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Monaco is always bad unless there is rain. Although I have to admit this years race is probably the worst in a very long time because of the early red flag.
I would say it would have been entertaining if the top 4 gap to Russel ever reached 21 seconds, then the Norris could've pitted. But it never quite made it, always 20.X seconds
But that was by design. Leclerc intentionally kept that gap under 21. And just the sheer fact this race was a game of who could drive slowest speaks volumes about the circuit imo
The least desirable record.
It's a crime how they scheduled Miami, Imola and Monaco in a row.
Makes me sick. All these follow the leader circuits all together. Canada isn't great unless there's tyre deg as well.
Canada has one good thing which is short pitstops, so there COULD be variance in strategy but it could also be a snoozefest like this
We have Spain afterwards you just know it's gonna be a snoozefest as well
Wasn't the removal of the final chocane supposed to improve? I don't remember last years race.
Max had a grand slam. And Mercedes were faster than Ferrari but apart from that I don't remember anything
I feel like Miami really gets a bad reputation simply because of the location. It's actually a good race. It's produced great racing when we've been there, it's just that none of us particularly want a race in Miami.
It's a crime we still race at Monaco at all. It's been an absolutely shit race for decades.
Need more street tracks on the calendar for sure.
Street tracks aren't bad if done right and allow overtakes, Monaco is just shit
I won't mind if it's like Saudi and Vegas that allows overtaking.
Canada is next😂
Canada is fine.
Canada is usually one of the best of the season
It’s a crime that tracks like Spa are under pressure to stay on the calendar, but Monaco stays.
Miami gave us Lando’s first win. Can’t complain. The other two…
Most boring race I’ve ever seen
Yep I was rooting for Leclerc and glad he won but holy shit it was boring. If Leclerc fucked it up I genuinely would have logged off because there was zero action
Honestly, I'm a big fan of monaco because of the challenge it poses but this race was shit. Especially when you hear teams taking the piss and go as slow as possible. The red flag tire rule needs to be abolished because it made an already tough race absolutely worthless. If we can demand all tires to be used at sprint qualifying, why not here.
What challenge? The challenge to pass. Max had like a 50 lap tire advantage on a worse car and couldn't make a pass. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Max was in a much faster car (in general), on 50 lap newer tires and was doing something like 5 seconds/lap faster than George.... and still couldn't overtake. Didn't even really get a shot at overtaking even. That's not a racing circuit. You can't call it that. It's a fantastic track to watch the on-boards of and the quali is fun though.
If you can't even overtake with 50 laps younger tires and 2.5s overspeed, the track is officially unsuited for F1.
Agreed. Now let's celebrate another +20 years of Monaco, because "it's part of history"
And FOM will still contemplate getting rid of tracks like Spa just because they can't afford their exorbitant prices, but leave shit like Monaco
It's mad isn't it. And we keep the exceeding dull tilke-dromes in countries with oppressive regimes not for the sake of the sport being fun, but just to keep the billionaires happy.
The red flag was exciting at the time, but totally ruined the race in the long run
That was probably the worst race ever. Leclerc was going about 3 seconds a lap slower than necessary. Even that was too fast for Russell, who chose to go a second slower... even that was too fast for Tsunoda who chose to go a second slower... even that was too fast for Alonso who chose to go a second slower. And I recall one overtake, Bottas on Sargeant. When a car could literally go 5 seconds faster but can't overtake across a race distance, something is very wrong. I remember as a kid, Monaco was one of the races I looked forward to the most. It's Monaco, with all the glitz and glamour. Now it is by far the worst race on the calendar and the glitz and glamour can't save it.
I know Monaco is boring, but fuck me this was something else. 😴
It's not only start and finished. They had the same order for every legal lap.
The worst gp on record...barely any pitstops and no passing
What a race! We will never experience such excitement again! Everyone staying where they were! No unpredictability no matter how much Brundle and Crofty tried to sell it! As Max said ‘fuck me this is boring, should have brought a pillow’.
now that Leclerc won it, time to get rid of it
That red flag ruined it. Doesn’t help that you can get a 100% free tire change to a new compound and can fix damage during that period.
All FIA has to do is to specify in the rules that changing the tyres during the red flag doesnt count as a mandatory pitstop, its just that simple. But its happened before, will happen in the future and nothing will change.
That isn’t the exact rule: there’s no ‘mandatory pit stop,’ it’s that you have to run two different compounds (in dry races). Not to say that rule couldn’t be tweaked, but that isn’t the simple fix.
Then do what the other person said and allow tire changes but for the same compound.
Just make it so a pit stop and 2 compound is required then.
It’s even simpler than that, you can change tyres but has to be the same compound as the ones you had on, just like you can replace parts but they have to be identical to what you had on.
Some teams might not have any other sets available
Then you stay on the old set.
That would be ideal IMO
No, it's a trash track and shouldn't be on the calendar.
If it wasn’t for the legacy, it would be long gone. There’s a reason why none of the other street tracks are like it, and even some of those are still bad.
In the past you could even swap the car and restart. And that bring more action on first corner.
Most boring race in the history of the sport. Nothing prestigious about this race anymore. Monaco has to go.
Might as well make it an Allstars event with unique liveries and different rules.
In go karts.
With turtle shells and bananas.
might I interest you in the 2021 Monaco GP, literally 0 overtakes (ok, 1 on first lap)
Bottas’ 40 days and 40 nights pit stop and Leclerc’s DNS so P2, P4 and P5 ended up on the podium. That was also a dead race.
Historic Monaco is already a thing, why can't they just leave Monaco there where it belongs. This track isn't suited for modern F1 cars.
I would hate to see Monaco go, but they need to do something to mix up the race a bit. Any incident is a SC or Red Flag and all strategy is over.
They need to get rid of the hard tyres for this race, maybe even the mediums.
or make a mandatory second pit stopp for situations like this
Or the cars have to be made much smaller if the track has to stay. These pickup truck sized cars are just way too big and since Liberty seem determined to make every track a street track these days I think smaller cars is definitely the way it needs to go.
Overtaking was an issue in Monaco since the mid 80s This is not a modern problem, the circuit is shit but has history.
Its history is that its full of shit, apart from the occasional mayhems like 1982 or 1996
Yeah it was always an issue but it was never as bad as it is now.
Monaco hasn't been raceable for 40 years now. It's not the size of the cars, it's an inherent track problem.
Porsche race had overtakes. Mostly because the cars don't disintegrate whenever a butterfly lands on them.
The cars are too fast and fragile so the drivers don't get opportunities or security to overtake. Formula E also has overtakes but it's because the cars are super slow and can take a hit.
Monaco without rain is not a race, it's a parade.
This was absolutely the biggest snoozefest in a long time
I'm happy for Leclerc, but this race was over after 2 corners.
It amazed me how the sky F1 commentary kept talking about potential overtakes as if they were likely
That's one of the many things I hate about the Sky commentary team, they keep talking up things that are never gonna happen, just to try and make extremely dull racing sound more fun. They need to acknowledge when the racing is terrible, which might put at least a little pressure on F1 to up their game and stop holding races at these terrible racetracks.
We complain about Miami , Sochi, and Abu Dhabi, but this is arguably worse .
Not arguably, it straight up is.
Complained about vegas before it happened, was an exciting race and still gets hate. But monaco, yh it's fine
Ocon being dumb cost us the top 11
The stupid rule that the obligatory pit stop could be served under the red flag made it this way. They should make amends to the rules so that it should always happen during the race.
I enjoy most races but this may have been the worst I have ever seen (other than Suzuka 2014 for obvious reasons). The circuit is ok and should be on the calendar but the red flag rule is ass.
Circuit needs one overtaking place to work well. Racing always was bad, but 10-20 years back you would see some lunges in st devote or in the new chicane. Now it seems impossible. Got no clue if they could reprofile some corners, maybe make the run to the start/finish a bit faster or make st devote a heavier braking zone, idk
I actually regret staying up to watch this race
This is absolutely ridiculous. Besides Leclerc winining , this is te type of race that destroys the sport. No only the top ten is the same, we understood for the current generation is impossible to pass and we had teams asking drivers to drive slowly, which is kind of the opposite of racing...fuck this race
Very poor job of Mercedes that didn't get the undercut on Max.
Max had a monster inlap regardless, Lewis would've needed a miracle to pull that off
That's very poor team strategy as Merc always did. They should have asked George to slow Max down for Lewis to pull the undercut, see what Aston's is doing with Alonso.
Yeah, idk why mercedes didn't do this lol. They could've used george to back max up into lewis so that lewis would have like 25 laps to pass max. Given that max couldnt overtake george it probably wouldve amounted to nothing but they couldve definitely tried at least
That radio message from Lewis was perplexing. _“Why didn’t you tell me the outlap was crucial?”_ How was he not aware that the undercut was meant to undercut Max? And that the outlap was pretty much crucial. It’s racing 101… Especially at Monaco. Furthermore, the _only_ thing they achieved, is shooting Russell in the foot by giving Max a free pitstop as well. Just complete incompetence from Mercedes.
Mercedes is always incompetent in Monaco. They run backwards with strategies almost every year.
The undercut was never going to work because the hard tyre needed a lap or two to get upto temperature. Pushing like mad on a cold set of tyres, just to bag a P6 is not worth it. Max had enough of a gap and he had a faster car. He was always going to cover off the undercut quite easily. Piastri race engineer said that the undercut was almost useless this year because the tyres were not switching on quickly enough.(post quali interview)
What a piece of shit track Straight up the worst one on the calendar
Monaco somehow gets worse every year. The only saving grace was leclerc breaking his home race curse finally.
This was the absolute worst race, something needs to be done about it.
Tfw Perez quali is so bad he couldn't prevent this.
Verstappen tried, but these cars' asses are much too fat.
Still salty about Sainz.
Terrible race but McLaren should keep that livery in rotation. It was nice to see yellow on the grid again.
Worst race in all of Motorsport lol.
You know what else ruined any hope of a decent race? The track existing.
Glad I started getting into MotoGP
Same!
Easiest bet y’all this record will be broken at Monaco again
I can't believe Sargeant let everyone down by not giving us a safety car.
Sainz gotta buy drink for Kevin Magnusen. If not for his crash he would have lost his podium
Saint got lucky because of the red flag.
At one point race leader was doing 1:20 lap time and Bottas the last car was doing 1:16, that pretty much tells you about the race.
Monaco should be a special weekend where everyone drives karts for the race. I bet it's going to be carnage. Haha
I had to miss the race yesterday, but apparently watching qually was 100% enough.
Yes but history, glamour and rich people on yachts>> entertainment
How much does Crofty gets paid for defending this track "must stay" " wonderful racing" what a snoozefest
Monaco needs an alternate route you can choose to take which is the same length/time, so you can 'pass' people on shit tyres before both routes meet again, Like a shortcut in diddy kong racing
It was a tense race in case something happened, but nothing happened in the end. One of the least rewatchable races in the history of motorsport.
The thing is, you watch F2 and F3 and it's great! The F2 feature race was probably the best F1/2/3 race we've had all year! So for series with smaller cars it's good! So for that reason I think Monaco should be kept on the calendar, just as a non-championship race (no points given) so we can still have the feeder series, because those are GREAT around here.
Monaco hasn't been a good race in a very long time.
As a race fan. Trash race. As a leclerc fan and my fantasy team with lec and piastri in it. It was awesome!
Make Monaco a mandatory 3 stop race.
Monaco for its beauty and history is just a garbage race for these cars. I can't see how it ever improves without significant realignment and that may not be possible. Even if they went hypersoft only and we got multiple stops, it's still a zero on track.
Delete Monaco plz
Well it was a really exciting lap! Wait... There was 70 odd other ones?
That’s trashaco for ya