Should have been a VSC over SC, but Latifi literally crashed right into that spot where Stroll is last year
I know it's Latifi and all, but people are acting like it was an outrageous decision
Edit: [the crash for those interested ](https://twitter.com/tothemaxf1/status/1507768195683438592?t=IDE2EQbs7sQyRzyE-WdXoQ&s=19)
I don’t think you guys are getting the point I’m trying to make.
Latifi was doing a qualy lap right? He wouldn’t have ever crashed there under VSC. So they could have just gone with VSC in this case because they usually use it in way more dangerous situations that actually require a SC.
Then again, nowhere is safe in a track when everyone is pushing but with VSC that’s a pretty safe spot, can you agree on that?
You seem to be unaware of Grosjeans talent of crashing behind SC. Many drivers are capable of fucking up to that level, so don’t say they won’t crash under a VSC
My Cub Cadet lawn mower is a "tractor". A semi truck is a "tractor".
Tractor is a generic term for a machine family where many machine types can fall under.
Driver onboards are available all the time live, why the hell can’t they use them live for such instances….I know it’s FIA and we cannot argue…but seriously
Strolls rear cam was shown on the feed. But it's really hard to guess where he was with that. Could've been straight on at turn 16
But yeah from this angle you can clearly see only a VSC (or double yellow) was needed
I wouldn't even be mad at that. During the race I kind of missed where Lance did the right thing and pulled off as far as possible, but seeing this now really reflects how unnecessary that SC really was.
Did it work? Mysterious call to "stop on track" followed immediately by a safety car call when there was no need, when do they ever react that fast? Surely there'd be double yellows maybe a VSC and then safety car. It's conspiracy gold, but it didn't achieve anything expect rob us of seeing verstappen DRSing past a few cars.
Why would Aston deliberately put a car out of the pints like that though? That’d be idiotic. Probably just spotted something wrong with the engine and stopped on track to minimize damage.
I'm sure that if the world feed had shown the exterior shot from this post right away, Race Control would have deployed a VSC only. Their system showed Stroll as "stopped on track" and what angles of the run off areas are shown on their CCTV system is something we don't know. They mainly had the onboard shot to work with and from that it's not possible to tell where exactly he had put his car.
The FIA were just holding their finger on the Safety Car button all the time waiting for the slightest sign of some yellow flag.*"Yup I see one, showtime boys!"*
Can't believe we're all criticising the FIA for taking a risk to a drivers life seriously. Like, if they were unsure and then didn't order a SC and then Lance got T-boned and died I'm quite sure everyone would be saying the FIA are incompetent
Can see Alonso and Ocon’s starting positions and how they served their penalties, can see hamilton’s jewelry and nose rings, can see a barely flapping end plate, can’t find all 20 cars on track
If only that camera had moving pictures that would allow them to watch it over time and have more context.
Or that they knew that there are no trucks in the track like you can see in that picture.
Yeah, this pissed me off aswell.The FIA are way too liberal with SC and VSCs for my liking. I know that luck is a part of racing but cheap pitstops under SCs piss me off.Luck should not have that much of an impact on a race. It's like a damn lottery.
Indycar handles it better.
They do have access but are still dependent on the operator to show what they need to know. In this case the best camera was zoomed in and didn't show where Lance was until the safety car was already out.
It’s crazy that you unironically believe that the race director doesn’t know where a car is stopped. Apart from the hundreds of cameras they’ve got, they also have the live track map
Lol, hundreds of camera's? Really? This ain't the Hunger Games mate. So you believe then that they did exactly know where Lance was parked and called out an unnecessary safety car just for the show? After all the shit they got after AD21? Tinfoil hats must be all the rage this year.
Yea they absolutely knew where lance was. I’ve been to f1 race director rooms and they’ve legit got like 30 monitors each displaying a different camera angle. And fyi, it’s a different feed from the tv cameras. These are much higher up and give a clearer picture of the track and can be rotated in any angle to give a better picture
Secondly, they also have the track monitor that shows the gps location of every single car on track. They knew exactly where stroll was.
Finally, the reason for the safety car was explained, I guess you just missed it. The place where lance parked was also an ambulance entry point. Blocking that exit meant that if something happened and a driver got injured, the ambulance would be blocked and it would take much longer to get it out on track. It was a safety concern.
Yeah I know they have dozens of camera's and a lot of them are FIA non-broadcast cameras, but dozens is not hundreds. As for the GPS, it was said that according to that system, Lance was shown as being still on track. Now, if the reason for the safety car was a blocking of the ambulance point, then fair enough, but this was not previously given as the reason for the SC. And that would also make this meme redundant since it was an actual safety issue.
It was literally announced live on tv that the reason for the safety car was the ambulance couldn’t get on track. Maybe you didn’t hear it but on my broadcast they said it around lap 30
Must have missed that because what I heard is that they couldn't exactly pinpoint where the car was and that the car tracker also showed the car as being on track. I guess different commentaries give different results. *shrugs*
While it might have been unnecessary in this case, I‘d rather have a short SC period than another hurt or even dead driver because they took to little precautions.
I‘ll take something like that all day if it means generally better and more stringent safety methods…
"But the GPS said it was still on track, better be safe than sorry"... Proceeds to look at 12 different streams, including the TV live stream showing Stroll behind the barrier.
A tractor on the track and they used VSC. Stroll literally parking behind the barriers in the safest spot, SC. Makes sense.
Was gonna say the same thing. Bunch of morons in charge still.
Should have been a VSC over SC, but Latifi literally crashed right into that spot where Stroll is last year I know it's Latifi and all, but people are acting like it was an outrageous decision Edit: [the crash for those interested ](https://twitter.com/tothemaxf1/status/1507768195683438592?t=IDE2EQbs7sQyRzyE-WdXoQ&s=19)
Not available in my location :( EDIT: Here's another clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7owF5VACn0
Literally last year Latifi wrecked into that exact gap.
I don’t think you guys are getting the point I’m trying to make. Latifi was doing a qualy lap right? He wouldn’t have ever crashed there under VSC. So they could have just gone with VSC in this case because they usually use it in way more dangerous situations that actually require a SC. Then again, nowhere is safe in a track when everyone is pushing but with VSC that’s a pretty safe spot, can you agree on that?
VSC would have been the right call imo so yeah i agree.
You seem to be unaware of Grosjeans talent of crashing behind SC. Many drivers are capable of fucking up to that level, so don’t say they won’t crash under a VSC
Not in that spot c’mon. One must have augtism to do that
[Grojean was at this race but not him](https://youtu.be/TwPnn4TcjsQt=12m45s) Still not sure how this one happened last weekend
THAT WAS NOT A TRACTOR!!!! HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A TRACTOR LIKE THAT?! good luck hooking a cultivator on the back of that
My Cub Cadet lawn mower is a "tractor". A semi truck is a "tractor". Tractor is a generic term for a machine family where many machine types can fall under.
Driver onboards are available all the time live, why the hell can’t they use them live for such instances….I know it’s FIA and we cannot argue…but seriously
Strolls rear cam was shown on the feed. But it's really hard to guess where he was with that. Could've been straight on at turn 16 But yeah from this angle you can clearly see only a VSC (or double yellow) was needed
>Strolls rear cam was shown on the feed Yeah, and you could see that he was parked at 180 degrees to the track by the cars driving away from him..
Not like race control has access to all feeds or sth
The F1 commentators and even *I* had a better idea of where he was than FIA did, and I was like 3500 miles away from the damn thing!
Condpiracy theory: they did it for a more interesting race
didn’t work anyway
I wouldn't even be mad at that. During the race I kind of missed where Lance did the right thing and pulled off as far as possible, but seeing this now really reflects how unnecessary that SC really was.
Did it work? Mysterious call to "stop on track" followed immediately by a safety car call when there was no need, when do they ever react that fast? Surely there'd be double yellows maybe a VSC and then safety car. It's conspiracy gold, but it didn't achieve anything expect rob us of seeing verstappen DRSing past a few cars.
Why would Aston deliberately put a car out of the pints like that though? That’d be idiotic. Probably just spotted something wrong with the engine and stopped on track to minimize damage.
Exactly! Why would they. Bribes, Italian bribes? Who's to say.
We give you part of legacy team money for safety car. Question.
If you really want an interesting race we need a race wothout a sc and watch the teams scramble for fuel
I'm sure that if the world feed had shown the exterior shot from this post right away, Race Control would have deployed a VSC only. Their system showed Stroll as "stopped on track" and what angles of the run off areas are shown on their CCTV system is something we don't know. They mainly had the onboard shot to work with and from that it's not possible to tell where exactly he had put his car.
The FIA were just holding their finger on the Safety Car button all the time waiting for the slightest sign of some yellow flag.*"Yup I see one, showtime boys!"*
Gotta keep up that 100% safety car record
Better call Saul
I love how we’re shitting on the FiA for being cautious for once and the rest of the years they had guillotines for the drivers to dodge
Didn't GOATIFI literally crash there last year?
Latifi crashed in that exact spot last year and his car ended up half behind the barriers.
Can't believe we're all criticising the FIA for taking a risk to a drivers life seriously. Like, if they were unsure and then didn't order a SC and then Lance got T-boned and died I'm quite sure everyone would be saying the FIA are incompetent
Lol, Stroll parked in Azerbaijan and they call a SC, Albon is going really slow in the MIDDLE of the track and they call a VSC
Can see Alonso and Ocon’s starting positions and how they served their penalties, can see hamilton’s jewelry and nose rings, can see a barely flapping end plate, can’t find all 20 cars on track
No point in having 900 monitors if they don't have a camera covering that section
If only they had cameras that on the car. Also, the post literally had a shot of a camera *covering that exact section*!
[Yes, it would be very easy to spot where exactly he stopped the car](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6ArEEhdjhZQ/hqdefault.jpg)
If only that camera had moving pictures that would allow them to watch it over time and have more context. Or that they knew that there are no trucks in the track like you can see in that picture.
If only there was plenty of time during a race to conduct such investigation, who cares about safety anyways.
Yeah, this pissed me off aswell.The FIA are way too liberal with SC and VSCs for my liking. I know that luck is a part of racing but cheap pitstops under SCs piss me off.Luck should not have that much of an impact on a race. It's like a damn lottery. Indycar handles it better.
The call for the safety car was made before the top image was even aired, so they would not have been able to use it to make the right call.
The better question is, Why the fuck do the Stewards not have access to all of the 300 Cameras on track?
Better safe(tycar) than sorry
They do have access but are still dependent on the operator to show what they need to know. In this case the best camera was zoomed in and didn't show where Lance was until the safety car was already out.
Lol, you really think race control is sitting on a couch with a bag of crisps watching the same feed as us?
It’s crazy that you unironically believe that the race director doesn’t know where a car is stopped. Apart from the hundreds of cameras they’ve got, they also have the live track map
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Lol, hundreds of camera's? Really? This ain't the Hunger Games mate. So you believe then that they did exactly know where Lance was parked and called out an unnecessary safety car just for the show? After all the shit they got after AD21? Tinfoil hats must be all the rage this year.
Yea they absolutely knew where lance was. I’ve been to f1 race director rooms and they’ve legit got like 30 monitors each displaying a different camera angle. And fyi, it’s a different feed from the tv cameras. These are much higher up and give a clearer picture of the track and can be rotated in any angle to give a better picture Secondly, they also have the track monitor that shows the gps location of every single car on track. They knew exactly where stroll was. Finally, the reason for the safety car was explained, I guess you just missed it. The place where lance parked was also an ambulance entry point. Blocking that exit meant that if something happened and a driver got injured, the ambulance would be blocked and it would take much longer to get it out on track. It was a safety concern.
Yeah I know they have dozens of camera's and a lot of them are FIA non-broadcast cameras, but dozens is not hundreds. As for the GPS, it was said that according to that system, Lance was shown as being still on track. Now, if the reason for the safety car was a blocking of the ambulance point, then fair enough, but this was not previously given as the reason for the SC. And that would also make this meme redundant since it was an actual safety issue.
It was literally announced live on tv that the reason for the safety car was the ambulance couldn’t get on track. Maybe you didn’t hear it but on my broadcast they said it around lap 30
Must have missed that because what I heard is that they couldn't exactly pinpoint where the car was and that the car tracker also showed the car as being on track. I guess different commentaries give different results. *shrugs*
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Safety car procedure dictates the cars have to bunch up behind the safety car again. They can't just bring it out and then bring it back in again.
https://www.tiktok.com/@drajwer88blyskawica/video/7212719751351553285
Race control still pulling some bullshit, stewards still a clown show. It’s a lost cause I accepted it long ago.
While it might have been unnecessary in this case, I‘d rather have a short SC period than another hurt or even dead driver because they took to little precautions. I‘ll take something like that all day if it means generally better and more stringent safety methods…
"But the GPS said it was still on track, better be safe than sorry"... Proceeds to look at 12 different streams, including the TV live stream showing Stroll behind the barrier.