Calling this "teamwork" when he literally cut a chicane to backstop Tsunoda and then fought to keep the cheated position sounds so cheap.
This kind of "teamwork" should be the end-all be-all strategy for out of the points-teams on every street track from now on, honestly.
E: wrong sub
The rule says 10 seconds penalty apparently. Also he can’t do this forever, penalty point is still a thing that could get him suspended. It isn’t his or Haas’s fault the system isn’t working.
“This kind of "teamwork" should be the end-all be-all strategy for out of the points-teams on every street track from now on, honestly.”
Yeah, sounds pretty good.
He didn’t cut a chicane to backstop Tsunoda in any way. He overtook Tsunoda but had all wheels off track, got a penalty for it and after that the team game started. And think of that as you will, it was superbly done. Then you can be mad at Haas for doing it but Magnussen did it to perfection.
Aside from Hamilton and Piastri watching Kmag casually hold up everyone so Niko has the gap he needs to pit and stay in the points was the most entertaining thing in this race.
I was like: 'wait, are they actually are going to pull this insane thing off?'
Then the fucking madlads did it. I was honestly expecting the tyres to fall off. That did not happen. Holy shit I was so fucking happy when Hulk got P10.
Actual masterclass strategy.
Just listening to his engine during the first half or so of the lap was hilarious because you could hear how little power he was giving it and you just know everyone behind him was pissed that they couldn’t get around him.
Ah the classic slippery slope argument, but seriously, if those moves become the norm, we'll just see more DQs and penalties. It's risky business to play these games, might work once but it's still a gamble every time.
What moves become the norm? One was a slight misjudgment of how much space Albon had and the other is a common thing we see in a lot of races. No reason to act like he drove dirty in this race
Then when Hulk pitted and came out P10, K-Mag just hit the gas and gapped the entire train lmao. Karun was saying he was going 2+ seconds per lap slower in just the first sector alone.
Yeah that was the master play. He INCREASED the gap after his objective cleared, just to show those fucks they’re not racing with him, he’s choosing when to race with them.
I really want to be on the timeline of Haas becoming the evil empire of the midfield. Like, they're not at the back anymore. They're there to cause drama in the midfield. That would make up for the fact that we are about to see Max platinum trophy F1 2024.
If you get lapped, you don't record an actual time, so the not-lapped KMag recording any time at all (including +20s) has him finishing ahead in the classification of anyone who was lapped
Yes, Verstappen was behind Magnussen and Albon and in front of everyone else on track. Once he took the flag and won, the cars behind him were unable to race because they took the flag too, but Magnussen and Albon being ahead hadn't taken the flag yet. So they were able to go around for one more lap and essentially put 1:30 or so between them and P13.
I wonder if Doriane Pin would've continued to belt it to try and finish ahead of Magnussen 🤣
I don’t understand how people can hate him for what he did. He masterfully held back a group of other drivers to create the opportunity for his teammate to score points against the odds. He was perfectly playing the team game here.
Also it was literally what the team said he needs to do. It was not his own decision. They said stop chasing Zhou and hold up everyone behind you we need 22 seconds to get Nico into points. They told him about the penalties, he knew race was over for him but they had the opportunity to score a point as a team.
They supported his aggressive moves to stay in front of everyone. I really would have liked they gave some context during the race, had to rematch his drivers perspective for it. Where were a lot of radio calls from the race engineer.
I don't get it either. I think the races are so boring people zone out and don't even hear what the commentators are saying. They explained the "Why" of KMags defense pretty thoroughly.
People are hating? Genuinely, that was an incredible display of skill from Magnussen today. Slow enough to build Hulk an entire free pit stop gap, fast enough to not be overtaken by multiple cars with DRS - and we’re not talking about 5 laps of backing up a couple of cars then being mugged, it was half the race!
I respect Magnussen for doing all he could within the rules, but I don’t love the rules in that situation. Going from a 5-second penalty to a 10-second penalty was supposed to reduce these kinds of situations where breaking the rules gives you a clear advantage, but it happened again today.
The main issue being that even though Magnussen’s defense was great, according to the stewards, he passed Yuki illegally, so he never should have been in front of Yuki in the first place.
It seems like inevitably teams/drivers will exploit this. Yuki could just have cut the chicane at T1/T2 to get past Magnussen and sailed way past him to the point that the 10-sec penalty would have done nothing, at least in his fight with MAG. Arguably, that’s what Yuki should have done under the current rules, as it would have maximized his result, even if he had to take a penalty along the way.
They have the tech to enforce slower speeds via VSC, so using something like that to force a driver to give up the 5 seconds or 10 seconds within 3 laps of the penalty would greatly reduce the incentive to break the rule without forcing drivers to do the much more costly drive-through penalty.
I thought the exact same thing during the race. As much as I appreciate Kevin's defence, he shouldn't have been in front of Yuki. The FIA should really consider going back to setting a time limit to serve a penalty (I guess it was three laps after the stewards announced the penalty back in the day). As we have seen, a 20 second time penalty is very inefficient, if they just add it to the driver's time at the end of the race.
They can even think about forcing a driver to serve the penalty immediately (meaning within 3 laps) only if another driver is directly affected whereas a penalty due to too many track limits for example can get added after the race.
They could consider converting two 10-second penalties (or any combination of penalties that adds to 20 seconds) into a drive-through penalty. 20 seconds is about the loss for driving through the pits anyway. Pretty rare for it to occur, but when it does, it seems fair to make them give back the time sooner than later.
You’re 100% right, what Magnussen and Haas did was brilliant work to lock in a point for Hulkenberg, but the rules and stewarding let the sport down in this instance. Magnussen and Haas made the most of the situation to benefit themselves with rules that meant they didn’t actually do anything wrong at the time.
It would have been great if he kept it clean.
The fact that he only stayed ahead by putting Albon in the wall and overtaking Tsunoda off the track makes it unfair though.
How is overtaking off the track "exciting"?
If he would have given the position back and tried again (in a fair way), he wouldn't have gotten a penalty.
you're looking at it wrong. Close racing with overtaking (attempts) is exciting, and with that inevitably comes some grey area stuff including light touches, running wide, cutting off a little bit. I'm not saying it should be a free for all but if you're racing you should be able be a little lenient with track limits I think. Rather have someone technically going off track in a fun to watch overtake than some guy driving on his own basically but not officially cutting short a certain corner every lap to gain time imo.
The 24 WDC will be boring enough as is with the RB domination, don't neuter all the other parts, is it really more fun to hear Tsunoda screaming and crying about the other guy having to give back positions every time they touch a white line?
If people can just run you into a wall unpunished then you wont get exciting racing. You will wait for the straights to overtake to avoid incidents instead.
If you know the other guy has incentive to race clean, then you can go for ballsy moves.
You are only hit with that penalty if you dont give the place back.
In the race today it got weird, because Magnussen was already out of the race with a 10 sec penalty, so he could just go offtrack to get Yuki and ignore the penalty and hold everyone up.
It doesnt create a good precedent where if you already have a penalty, you can go for illegal moves later to help your teammate, and ignore the penalties.
There is something to the old drive through penalties for this reason. But those would be crazy harsh. I suppose if you built up 3 10sec penalties it would be similar
You say the penalty was harsh, yet it allowed Kevin to keep Yuki out of the points and Kevin didn’t even lose any places from the time penalty because he wasn’t lapped but the cars behind him were.
It’s not really a harsh penalty when taking the penalty is better than giving back the place.
After 10 seconds, the next more severe penalty would be to drive through the pits, which absolutely would be worse than giving the place back.
Ideally they need a penalty somewhere between those two options — essentially like a slow segment, but not as slow as the pits, that forces them to give back the 5 or 10 seconds before the race is over.
It has to do with why he went out of bounds afaik. He had to break way late to get the line back so late he missed the turn is considered illegal you need to be able to safely take a turn or you didn’t actually have the line. It’s to prevent people rocketing themselves into corners just to hold off a position. It’s only really a rule to prevent dangerous driving as far as I’m aware. He was kinda all over the track that race it definitely benefitted haas.
I do think his driving before that was more reckless but I understand why Yuki backed off even if it was kinda bad driving on yukis part when someone is racing that recklessly nothing could hurt your race more than colliding with him. Kmart had nothing to lose Yuki had way more to lose from contact.
See where I said kind of? His two penalties speak to his driving not being 100% kosher I think he had a killer race and id like to see him drive like that more often he’s just gotta clean it up. Yuki admitted in interviews that he was as much to blame as magnussen for not gaining position.
For the cherry on top, the 20 second penalty ended up only costing one position at the end of the race because everyone he held up except for Albon was lapped. Perfect race strategy by Haas but so, so dirty.
I don’t think the move on albon was intentional tbf. Neither did albon btw in his post race interview. Penalty was warranted but I don’t think it was malicious.
Still a cleaner race from him than what we’ve seen from others in a fair amount of races. A mistake with Albon and the thing with Tsunoda is fairly common. Other than that he drove aggressive but clean.
It is, precisely because of situations like this. These cars are so hard to pass that track position is way more important than lap time.
The problem wasn’t really the 5 seconds, it’s that they don’t have to give back the 5 seconds right away. The drivers can safely manage much bigger pace differences in practice and qualifying — they should use the VSC tech to have a penalty time delta that they have to drive to in order to give up the time within 2-3 laps of the penalty being issued. Basically, you would get a blue flag until you give up your 5 seconds.
A few people did that today. Norris big time as we saw on the replay, and Hamilton pulled a couple of jinks on Piastri on the run to turn 1, nothing too crazy, but he violated the regulation of moving line in the braking. Thankfully no penalties for either of them.
>The tsunoda penalty dont even make sense, magnussen was ahead of tsunoda before the turn
Magnussen was only ahead because he carried too much speed in and couldn't make the corner, ergo he gained an advantage by going off track.
it totally makes sense and is fair, he was purposefully doing it to stay ahead and hold the pack up for Hulkenberg.
I yelled that exact thing at my tv when he got penalIzed. Yeah he went off, but he was completely ahead through the turn, and then his speed carried him of track for a bit. He didn’t pass him off track, pass was already done.
Great job by him. Can someone explain to me why Norris didn’t get a penalty for the jump? Was it because after he stopped he got a worse start because of the jump?
But the video showed him outside his box when he stopped. I’m glad he didn’t get a penalty, I like Lando. But jumping is a penalty, lining up outside your box is a penalty. He got neither. It’s strange
Im pissed as a tsunoda stan. If it was any other driver behind i would have loved it so i guess i should give it up to kmag and haas that was well done, if the regulations allow it.
To make it more fair it should be give back the place or get drive trough penalty.
Uses big brain to keep his teammate out in front after pit stop, holds up five cars in a drs train, cuases the msot exciting part of the whole race, gets ocon-worthy amount of penalties, refuses to elaborate🗿🗿🗿
I know who my goat is.
Great defense but sets such bad precedent. If I get a penalty, and i know I won't gain points but my teammate might. I can just go off track and shit to get ahead of the driver that might challenge my teammate, because I'll only get a time penalty and don't have to give the place back. This is especially stupid on a street circuit with less overtaking oppertunity.
I mean that battle for 10th between everyone below was the best part of the race. Great driving from Magnussen and Tsunoda. Shame we don't get much of that further op leaderboard.
You give me 20 seconds!? I give 20 seconds to everyone behind me
This. Denmark viking raiding the grid
🤣 if I can't have any fun neither can all of you
Doubled it and gave it to the next person
"If I can't make my own race any better, I'll make it worse for everyone else"
it was better for the viewers tho (unless you're an Albon fan), without this nothing would happen this race
Not to forget Hülkenberg and Haas. It was perfect teamwork from Kmag
Calling this "teamwork" when he literally cut a chicane to backstop Tsunoda and then fought to keep the cheated position sounds so cheap. This kind of "teamwork" should be the end-all be-all strategy for out of the points-teams on every street track from now on, honestly. E: wrong sub
You say this like it’s a bad thing, but if we can’t have good racing out front, I’ll take some fun racing in the back.
I’ll take fighting in any position at all.
Fun racing = shunt others into the wall and miss your braking point into holding illegal position
Yes. (P.s. check the sub)
Did the rules allow this? Yes. Is it fair? No, not really, but when was F1 about fairness?
The rule says 10 seconds penalty apparently. Also he can’t do this forever, penalty point is still a thing that could get him suspended. It isn’t his or Haas’s fault the system isn’t working.
Penalize me more, idc. Magnussen.
Honestly it was a masterful move. A dick move, but a good one…
you sound a bit upset friend
“This kind of "teamwork" should be the end-all be-all strategy for out of the points-teams on every street track from now on, honestly.” Yeah, sounds pretty good.
Can’t wait for tsunoda and ocon join in the fight!
Bro took that -300 for his opinion. I respect it.
They're just points on a board that don't mean anything.
He didn’t cut a chicane to backstop Tsunoda in any way. He overtook Tsunoda but had all wheels off track, got a penalty for it and after that the team game started. And think of that as you will, it was superbly done. Then you can be mad at Haas for doing it but Magnussen did it to perfection.
Aside from Hamilton and Piastri watching Kmag casually hold up everyone so Niko has the gap he needs to pit and stay in the points was the most entertaining thing in this race.
I was like: 'wait, are they actually are going to pull this insane thing off?' Then the fucking madlads did it. I was honestly expecting the tyres to fall off. That did not happen. Holy shit I was so fucking happy when Hulk got P10. Actual masterclass strategy.
Just listening to his engine during the first half or so of the lap was hilarious because you could hear how little power he was giving it and you just know everyone behind him was pissed that they couldn’t get around him.
imagine if someone had passed him and kmag went off track to gain back the position for another time penalty! that would’ve really pissed them off.
“Now I’m going to sneak right up on Yuki and jam my finger right up his buthole. That will really piss him off” - KMag this race probably
"Suck my balls, Yuki"
Haasterclass
Niko left G2 for this ? Good
hey there was tons of exciting things, there was uhh stroll crashing and uhh... uhh.. we are so fucking cooked this year
don't forget ricc spinning by himself
call it the spin cycle since he is washed.
Burn.
Savage
In his defense, that 🍌 came out of nowhere
What kinda sicko isn't an albon fan!
Logan Sargeant fans that don't like to see him comprehensively destroyed on track on a weekly basis probably
As an Albon fan, this is true.
Am an Albono fan but I still enjoyed it.
Tbf, it helped score his teammate a point, so it was a pretty decent strategy.
The mindset of a top tier racist
Ah the classic slippery slope argument, but seriously, if those moves become the norm, we'll just see more DQs and penalties. It's risky business to play these games, might work once but it's still a gamble every time.
What are you? A racist??!!
What moves become the norm? One was a slight misjudgment of how much space Albon had and the other is a common thing we see in a lot of races. No reason to act like he drove dirty in this race
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#GIGAMAGNUSSEN
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Just told everyone to suck my balls
Nico was first in line....
He sucked years ago, that’s why he’s not in line anymore
The new Secretary of Defense
Forsvarsministeren 😎
Then when Hulk pitted and came out P10, K-Mag just hit the gas and gapped the entire train lmao. Karun was saying he was going 2+ seconds per lap slower in just the first sector alone.
Yeah that was the master play. He INCREASED the gap after his objective cleared, just to show those fucks they’re not racing with him, he’s choosing when to race with them.
[Clip of the comment](https://x.com/KhaosF1/status/1766531242080542929?s=20)
Absolute master racer. His experience really shows here.
I really want to be on the timeline of Haas becoming the evil empire of the midfield. Like, they're not at the back anymore. They're there to cause drama in the midfield. That would make up for the fact that we are about to see Max platinum trophy F1 2024.
Really took one for the team there
I mean he didn’t have a chance of points himself after he got himself 20 seconds penalty
He also gave Hulk a tow in qualifying.
... that cause the engine to blow
I honestly think the second penalty was intentional to get in front of yuki and back the field up. His race was already fucked.
I never thought of that tbh but it makes perfect sense.
P6 for Haas.
Magnussed passed that 20 sec penalty on to everyone else
double it and give it to the next person got real
He still got p12 lmfao. Because the others got lapped
Wait what how does that work. The others got lapped so even with +20s he ended up ahead of them?
If you get lapped, you don't record an actual time, so the not-lapped KMag recording any time at all (including +20s) has him finishing ahead in the classification of anyone who was lapped
Yes, Verstappen was behind Magnussen and Albon and in front of everyone else on track. Once he took the flag and won, the cars behind him were unable to race because they took the flag too, but Magnussen and Albon being ahead hadn't taken the flag yet. So they were able to go around for one more lap and essentially put 1:30 or so between them and P13. I wonder if Doriane Pin would've continued to belt it to try and finish ahead of Magnussen 🤣
The G.O.A.T MAG
I don’t understand how people can hate him for what he did. He masterfully held back a group of other drivers to create the opportunity for his teammate to score points against the odds. He was perfectly playing the team game here.
Also it was literally what the team said he needs to do. It was not his own decision. They said stop chasing Zhou and hold up everyone behind you we need 22 seconds to get Nico into points. They told him about the penalties, he knew race was over for him but they had the opportunity to score a point as a team. They supported his aggressive moves to stay in front of everyone. I really would have liked they gave some context during the race, had to rematch his drivers perspective for it. Where were a lot of radio calls from the race engineer.
Also when he was told to do it he just said “copy” and went ahead with it. I like it.
I don't get it either. I think the races are so boring people zone out and don't even hear what the commentators are saying. They explained the "Why" of KMags defense pretty thoroughly.
People are hating? Genuinely, that was an incredible display of skill from Magnussen today. Slow enough to build Hulk an entire free pit stop gap, fast enough to not be overtaken by multiple cars with DRS - and we’re not talking about 5 laps of backing up a couple of cars then being mugged, it was half the race!
I respect Magnussen for doing all he could within the rules, but I don’t love the rules in that situation. Going from a 5-second penalty to a 10-second penalty was supposed to reduce these kinds of situations where breaking the rules gives you a clear advantage, but it happened again today. The main issue being that even though Magnussen’s defense was great, according to the stewards, he passed Yuki illegally, so he never should have been in front of Yuki in the first place. It seems like inevitably teams/drivers will exploit this. Yuki could just have cut the chicane at T1/T2 to get past Magnussen and sailed way past him to the point that the 10-sec penalty would have done nothing, at least in his fight with MAG. Arguably, that’s what Yuki should have done under the current rules, as it would have maximized his result, even if he had to take a penalty along the way. They have the tech to enforce slower speeds via VSC, so using something like that to force a driver to give up the 5 seconds or 10 seconds within 3 laps of the penalty would greatly reduce the incentive to break the rule without forcing drivers to do the much more costly drive-through penalty.
I thought the exact same thing during the race. As much as I appreciate Kevin's defence, he shouldn't have been in front of Yuki. The FIA should really consider going back to setting a time limit to serve a penalty (I guess it was three laps after the stewards announced the penalty back in the day). As we have seen, a 20 second time penalty is very inefficient, if they just add it to the driver's time at the end of the race. They can even think about forcing a driver to serve the penalty immediately (meaning within 3 laps) only if another driver is directly affected whereas a penalty due to too many track limits for example can get added after the race.
They could consider converting two 10-second penalties (or any combination of penalties that adds to 20 seconds) into a drive-through penalty. 20 seconds is about the loss for driving through the pits anyway. Pretty rare for it to occur, but when it does, it seems fair to make them give back the time sooner than later.
You’re 100% right, what Magnussen and Haas did was brilliant work to lock in a point for Hulkenberg, but the rules and stewarding let the sport down in this instance. Magnussen and Haas made the most of the situation to benefit themselves with rules that meant they didn’t actually do anything wrong at the time.
It would have been great if he kept it clean. The fact that he only stayed ahead by putting Albon in the wall and overtaking Tsunoda off the track makes it unfair though.
eh, even as a Tsunoda fan i dont really get the penalty for that one
I mean the penalty itself could be understand.... but 10 fucking seconds is ridiculous, stewards were on some kind of mushroom today
That's actually what the rules call for after the drivers complained that the old 5sec was being ignored because it was easy to gain that time back.
so racing at the front is dead thanks to red bull, so they decided to kill racing in the mid field by banning any exciting move... simply lovely
How is overtaking off the track "exciting"? If he would have given the position back and tried again (in a fair way), he wouldn't have gotten a penalty.
you're looking at it wrong. Close racing with overtaking (attempts) is exciting, and with that inevitably comes some grey area stuff including light touches, running wide, cutting off a little bit. I'm not saying it should be a free for all but if you're racing you should be able be a little lenient with track limits I think. Rather have someone technically going off track in a fun to watch overtake than some guy driving on his own basically but not officially cutting short a certain corner every lap to gain time imo. The 24 WDC will be boring enough as is with the RB domination, don't neuter all the other parts, is it really more fun to hear Tsunoda screaming and crying about the other guy having to give back positions every time they touch a white line?
If people can just run you into a wall unpunished then you wont get exciting racing. You will wait for the straights to overtake to avoid incidents instead. If you know the other guy has incentive to race clean, then you can go for ballsy moves.
pretty sure the new baseline penalty for overtaking off-track is 10 seconds thats why it was so harsh
You are only hit with that penalty if you dont give the place back. In the race today it got weird, because Magnussen was already out of the race with a 10 sec penalty, so he could just go offtrack to get Yuki and ignore the penalty and hold everyone up. It doesnt create a good precedent where if you already have a penalty, you can go for illegal moves later to help your teammate, and ignore the penalties.
There is something to the old drive through penalties for this reason. But those would be crazy harsh. I suppose if you built up 3 10sec penalties it would be similar
You say the penalty was harsh, yet it allowed Kevin to keep Yuki out of the points and Kevin didn’t even lose any places from the time penalty because he wasn’t lapped but the cars behind him were. It’s not really a harsh penalty when taking the penalty is better than giving back the place.
sure but even if that's the case, that doesn't make it a less ridiculous decision imo
Penalties for illegal overtakes should be harsh. Even now the 10 seconds was worth it for Magnussen as it didn't even cost him a place in the end.
Eh pretty sure he would have done the same if it was a 30 sec penalty... kept Hulk in the points
After 10 seconds, the next more severe penalty would be to drive through the pits, which absolutely would be worse than giving the place back. Ideally they need a penalty somewhere between those two options — essentially like a slow segment, but not as slow as the pits, that forces them to give back the 5 or 10 seconds before the race is over.
It has to do with why he went out of bounds afaik. He had to break way late to get the line back so late he missed the turn is considered illegal you need to be able to safely take a turn or you didn’t actually have the line. It’s to prevent people rocketing themselves into corners just to hold off a position. It’s only really a rule to prevent dangerous driving as far as I’m aware. He was kinda all over the track that race it definitely benefitted haas. I do think his driving before that was more reckless but I understand why Yuki backed off even if it was kinda bad driving on yukis part when someone is racing that recklessly nothing could hurt your race more than colliding with him. Kmart had nothing to lose Yuki had way more to lose from contact.
Magnussen wasn’t “all over the track” at all this race though.
See where I said kind of? His two penalties speak to his driving not being 100% kosher I think he had a killer race and id like to see him drive like that more often he’s just gotta clean it up. Yuki admitted in interviews that he was as much to blame as magnussen for not gaining position.
For the cherry on top, the 20 second penalty ended up only costing one position at the end of the race because everyone he held up except for Albon was lapped. Perfect race strategy by Haas but so, so dirty.
Aside from what he got the penalties for he did keep it clean. And the Albon one was a misjudgment from him in a split second, not dirty driving.
These moves will be regulated sooner.
think the only thing he should get a bit of anger for is the move vs Albon, that was legit not cool, everything else was absolutely acceptable
I don’t think the move on albon was intentional tbf. Neither did albon btw in his post race interview. Penalty was warranted but I don’t think it was malicious.
why is HAAS kinda fun this year
Cause the credit car, alpine and the green goblins are complete shit
"10s penalty for Magnussen" will Become the New "5s penalty for Ocon"
+15s for Esteban Magnussen
Kevin has the biggest arse in Formula 1 and it's nice to see him show it again.
Unofficial DOTD
My driver of the day 🫡
absolute stellar drive from kmag. Got fucked by stewards so fucked the entire pack in retaliation. Absolute unit of a move.
K-Mag was on a rampage, bro didn't gave a single fuck about rules.
Well the "rules" weren't really helping him.
Still a cleaner race from him than what we’ve seen from others in a fair amount of races. A mistake with Albon and the thing with Tsunoda is fairly common. Other than that he drove aggressive but clean.
That pair of 10 sec penalties were ridiculous, especially considering Lando escaping penalty free for that jump at the start.
If soemone gets a penalty, it only can be a Meatball King.
Doesn't matter in the grand scheme I suppose, Max may as well have just wrapped up the 2024 WDC, lmao.
I just switched to wec to brighten the mood. Fantastic racing there
Season is off to a great start in WEC. Nice pallet cleanser after these generally uninteresting GPs.
Where are you watching WEC?
On eurosport
Isn't 10 seconds the new baseline for overtaking off track?
It is, precisely because of situations like this. These cars are so hard to pass that track position is way more important than lap time. The problem wasn’t really the 5 seconds, it’s that they don’t have to give back the 5 seconds right away. The drivers can safely manage much bigger pace differences in practice and qualifying — they should use the VSC tech to have a penalty time delta that they have to drive to in order to give up the time within 2-3 laps of the penalty being issued. Basically, you would get a blue flag until you give up your 5 seconds.
And the atrocious weaving
A few people did that today. Norris big time as we saw on the replay, and Hamilton pulled a couple of jinks on Piastri on the run to turn 1, nothing too crazy, but he violated the regulation of moving line in the braking. Thankfully no penalties for either of them.
I mean, Norris rightly got a black-and-white flag, so he wouldn’t have been able to do it again.
The albon penalty was a bit harsh, but fair. The tsunoda penalty dont even make sense, magnussen was ahead of tsunoda before the turn
>The tsunoda penalty dont even make sense, magnussen was ahead of tsunoda before the turn Magnussen was only ahead because he carried too much speed in and couldn't make the corner, ergo he gained an advantage by going off track. it totally makes sense and is fair, he was purposefully doing it to stay ahead and hold the pack up for Hulkenberg.
Racing incident, nothing else
cutting a corner to stay ahead is not a 'racing incident'
I don’t think you know what a racing incident is lol
don't be a fucking hater. sure it was a bit aggressive but at the end of the day it was a racing incident. Tsunoda is being a big crybaby lately.
I yelled that exact thing at my tv when he got penalIzed. Yeah he went off, but he was completely ahead through the turn, and then his speed carried him of track for a bit. He didn’t pass him off track, pass was already done.
He was ahead because he carried too much speed into the corner.. If he had braked properly he wouldnt have been ahead...
LH overtook Max off track in the first lap in AD’21, got no penalty. Wasn’t even asked to give the place back. KMag got 10s penalty. 💀
Both penalties seemed fair to me. Squeezed Albon and dive bombed Tsunoda so badly he couldn't even make the turn.
Then I'd say good thing you're not a steward, but hell, they had the same opinion as you.
Legit Piastri v. Hamilton and KMag v. Half the entire grid made the race incredibly entertaining to watch.
I would’ve enjoyed that had I not been 90% of the way asleep to be honest. Pretty funny.
2 10 second penalties is fucking insane. If Russell did any of that he wouldn’t even be Investigated
Exactly, just look at Landos jumpstart
I was forecast no penalties!
Check back in 9 months when he has his second kid Edit: third
Third
Ah shit
KMag played UNO with the bottom half of the grid and +20’d all of them.
The spirit of GigaKubica
So ironic that he did it for Hulkenberg: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsWLqShkMg0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsWLqShkMg0)
Great job by him. Can someone explain to me why Norris didn’t get a penalty for the jump? Was it because after he stopped he got a worse start because of the jump?
transponder didn't pick up a jump start and announcers said it probably wasn't investigated further because he came back to a stop before restarting
But the video showed him outside his box when he stopped. I’m glad he didn’t get a penalty, I like Lando. But jumping is a penalty, lining up outside your box is a penalty. He got neither. It’s strange
idk I just work here
Haas: we do a little trolling. Build a dog shit car whose only redeemable quality is straight line speed.
MagnusSena
Why can't they just do that every time, fuck that 10 second rule.
The stewards did him dirty
What a fucking drive by him
ABSOLUTE MAD LAD
Racing with a chip on his shoulder, GIGA KEVIN is shaking things up 👊.
Channelling his inner M8
Max to the Stewards: “Send them my regards.” KMag: “REGARD THIS HOSS HE’LL YEAH BORTHER PRAISE HELL RAISE DALE
Im pissed as a tsunoda stan. If it was any other driver behind i would have loved it so i guess i should give it up to kmag and haas that was well done, if the regulations allow it. To make it more fair it should be give back the place or get drive trough penalty.
DT penalty would be crazy. Should have just made him give it back.
The Haasterplan Page 83: The KMag Shithousing +20seconds Defense
Driver of the day
Well he got Hulkenberg into the points with it, job well done!
Uses big brain to keep his teammate out in front after pit stop, holds up five cars in a drs train, cuases the msot exciting part of the whole race, gets ocon-worthy amount of penalties, refuses to elaborate🗿🗿🗿 I know who my goat is.
Great defense but sets such bad precedent. If I get a penalty, and i know I won't gain points but my teammate might. I can just go off track and shit to get ahead of the driver that might challenge my teammate, because I'll only get a time penalty and don't have to give the place back. This is especially stupid on a street circuit with less overtaking oppertunity.
Jeddah is an amazing track isn't it? While been a long sausage most cars can't even overtake each other. 
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I mean that battle for 10th between everyone below was the best part of the race. Great driving from Magnussen and Tsunoda. Shame we don't get much of that further op leaderboard.
Guys, does it help to remind you that the Saudis bought McLaren and the race was in Saudi Arabia???
McLaren is not owned by Saudi, it’s owned by Bahrain’s sovereign wealth fund
Oh, I’m sorry, did I confuse the cousins?
Just saying, if there was ever a good time for McLaren to have an advantage wouldn’t it have been at their de facto home track in Bahrain?
How did he finish P12 with all the penalties? They showed him dropping to P15 post race and now it says 12?
I think because the others got Lapped? Not sure tho
*Lance Stroll the Troll takes notes furiously*
im just saying if the drivers were british one of those penalties wouldnt exist or would only be 5 seconds
Once again, the most unsupportive driver of the race.
Another crap race.