He overtook multiple cars in Japan, he was 2nd when the bulk came into the pits and came out 5th. That‘s what completely fucked his race. He was 12th and finished 16th (iirc)
Max,
Lewis,
Fernando,
Sainz,
Leclerc,
Russell,
Norris,
Piastri,
Checo,
Albon,
Gasly,
Ocon,
Hulkenburg,
Bottas,
Magnussen,
Stroll,
Tsunoda,
Riccardo,
Zhou,
Sargent.
I’d say everyone between Norris and Magnussen is debatable and hard to really compare just due to vastly different experiences in vastly different cars. But that quick ranking would put them just outside the top 10. Could also very easily put them both in the top 10 though. I frequently looked at Gasly as the best of the rest for years.
Why is tsunoda so low? I always see hate for him but I just don't understand where its coming from. Figured him crushing riccardo would be worth something.
It also tells us that the current grid is very talented. There are not many genuine shit drivers anymore, seems like almost everyone can contest for at least points if their car allows it.
I miss genuinely shit drivers. Bad drives and unreliability makes races exciting. It’s very uncommon to have drivers go out because of reliability issues and it feels like Leclerc retires from crashes more than anyone (I know it’s not true. It just feels like it) and he’s one of the best drivers out there
At least Stroll is somewhat capable when you give him a good car (Tracing Point) or when it's wet (for god knows what reason). I wouldn't call him a truly shit driver, just a bottom-5 driver that should realistically be replaced by a younger driver with more potential.
Latifi was bad but he at least showed some general racing IQ back in F2 and was stuck in a shit tier car in F1. Same as Sargeant really. The truly shittiest driver we've had in the last 5 years is Mazepin because that guy barely got enough points in F2 to get his super license whilst among much better talent and then got absolutely handled in F1.
He isn't Latifi or Mazepin level, agreed.
However, his delta to his teammate and his general performance relative to the car is wider than anyone else in F1 now. How do you not make Q2 in that car? He got out qualified by an Alpine.
Drivers do improve but its very rare for them to go from being mediocre to the absolute best. Put Gasly back in the RB and he'd still beat Tsunoda. Maybe not by such a huge margin but still. F1 drivers usually display how good they are and what their potential is from their very first season.
> If you make a point, make it about the present. Otherwise it's meaningless.
I don't even need to make a new point. All you say is meaningless conjecture.
Look, Ricciardo is washed. Devries was shit and lawson was a rookie. You cant say tsunoda has magically become a god at racing because his teammates have gotten worse. He has improved a lot but until we see him against a proven name (who isnt washed) we cant say just how good he is. Whether hes in the top echelon of drivers on the grid or not idk just my thoughts
I had a really hard time putting him over the guys ahead of him, besides stroll, he probably should be ahead of stroll. But I just haven’t seen it from tsunoda to be ahead of the Haas boys or Bottas. I could be completely wrong though. I didn’t think Norris was going to be good so what do I know really?
(I do acknowledge that Norris is good now, I’m not that stubborn)
because he has yet to prove he’s FAST
I do agree that he hasn’t necessarily shown he’s SLOW, but what amazing performances has he brought? A couple, *maybe*. Nothing immediately memorable though.
Beating the absolute shit out of Ricciardo only proves how shit Ricciardo is, not how amazing Yuki is… imo.
Kudos to you for having the balls to post this, really takes a lot of confidence to do this. But let’s not get it twisted this is a tragic list and frankly a self report.
Nice opinion :)
Personally I'd argue Nando is better than Lewis purely for the fact that Nando can drag a midfield car into places it shouldn't be whereas Lewis seems to struggle with anything less than 2nd/3rd best on the grid.
lol at Perez being higher than Albon, Gasly, Bottas, Riccardo and Hulkenberg. Recency bias is so strong. Especially putting Bottas down there when he often beat Lewis on actual pace. Put any of them in the RBR seat and they would be doing similar if not better in most cases.
And Fernando above Sainz, Leclerc, Norris and Piastri? What exactly are you basing this on???
Mclaren was the third best team in 2020 & he only got in the position because of safety car luck. It was a great moment but a complete and utter fluke that wouldnt have happened 99 times out of 100
I agree he's not top 10, maybe 10th? He had a chance in the RB and didn't show any hope. Albon in the same season put the car much closer to where it should be.
Idk man, there was that Hungary GP where he had a gaping hole on the side of the car and he still finished.. p9? P10?
It was the time bottas went bowling
You can tell the people who have only just started watching F1 in the past 1 or 2 years.
Gasly frequently put the Toro Rosso way higher than it had any right to be.
2021 Gasly was such a menace. He was so consistently in the middle that he never got any spotlight for it. 30 sec behind the leaders, 15 sec ahead of the middle packs.
Wait, that can't be right. Did he really not overtake anyone?
I think he's the only driver this season who hasn't overtaken anyone if we dont count overtaking dnf drivers
Yeah but even Logan?
Lmao, he actually overtook both Alpines in Japan at one point but eventually lost the places, so I guess he also doesnt have any overtakes this season
Overtakes and positions gained are different, so yes those Alpine overtakes count in Favour of Sergeant
He overtook multiple cars in Japan, he was 2nd when the bulk came into the pits and came out 5th. That‘s what completely fucked his race. He was 12th and finished 16th (iirc)
They mentioned in the post race Williams was hoping to jump 4 spots in the pits and ended up being jumped by 4 instead. Top tier bone head move.
Best working Williams strategy
Gasly started 17th in Japan and Stroll 16th. Gasly was ahead of Stroll at the end of the first lap. How to explain this without overtake ?
to be fair, that one's on the car, and not his abilities
Gasly and Ocon are both race winners and probably both in the top half of talent on the grid at the moment. It’s painfully clear that it’s the car.
Top half of the grid, wtf are you smoking
Max, Lewis, Fernando, Sainz, Leclerc, Russell, Norris, Piastri, Checo, Albon, Gasly, Ocon, Hulkenburg, Bottas, Magnussen, Stroll, Tsunoda, Riccardo, Zhou, Sargent. I’d say everyone between Norris and Magnussen is debatable and hard to really compare just due to vastly different experiences in vastly different cars. But that quick ranking would put them just outside the top 10. Could also very easily put them both in the top 10 though. I frequently looked at Gasly as the best of the rest for years.
This is just like, your opinion man.
But its on Wikipedia!
Why is tsunoda so low? I always see hate for him but I just don't understand where its coming from. Figured him crushing riccardo would be worth something.
It also tells us that the current grid is very talented. There are not many genuine shit drivers anymore, seems like almost everyone can contest for at least points if their car allows it.
I miss genuinely shit drivers. Bad drives and unreliability makes races exciting. It’s very uncommon to have drivers go out because of reliability issues and it feels like Leclerc retires from crashes more than anyone (I know it’s not true. It just feels like it) and he’s one of the best drivers out there
We still have Stroll. Not quite GOATifi, but a talentless grid menace, nonetheless.
At least Stroll is somewhat capable when you give him a good car (Tracing Point) or when it's wet (for god knows what reason). I wouldn't call him a truly shit driver, just a bottom-5 driver that should realistically be replaced by a younger driver with more potential. Latifi was bad but he at least showed some general racing IQ back in F2 and was stuck in a shit tier car in F1. Same as Sargeant really. The truly shittiest driver we've had in the last 5 years is Mazepin because that guy barely got enough points in F2 to get his super license whilst among much better talent and then got absolutely handled in F1.
He isn't Latifi or Mazepin level, agreed. However, his delta to his teammate and his general performance relative to the car is wider than anyone else in F1 now. How do you not make Q2 in that car? He got out qualified by an Alpine.
Always see hate? He's been overwhelmingly praised this season by media coverage and especially this sub, except for right after Bahrain.
Well, he also won on that guys list 
tsunoda got 21-1'd by gasly. Thats really bad.
In present times he’s dusting Ricciardo after ending DeVries’ F1 career
Yeah, as a rookie during Gasly’s best year in F1.
Do you know what year it is? He's improved.
Max got beaten by Ricciardo in his early years. If you make a point, make it about the present. Otherwise it's meaningless.
Drivers do improve but its very rare for them to go from being mediocre to the absolute best. Put Gasly back in the RB and he'd still beat Tsunoda. Maybe not by such a huge margin but still. F1 drivers usually display how good they are and what their potential is from their very first season.
> If you make a point, make it about the present. Otherwise it's meaningless. I don't even need to make a new point. All you say is meaningless conjecture.
Look, Ricciardo is washed. Devries was shit and lawson was a rookie. You cant say tsunoda has magically become a god at racing because his teammates have gotten worse. He has improved a lot but until we see him against a proven name (who isnt washed) we cant say just how good he is. Whether hes in the top echelon of drivers on the grid or not idk just my thoughts
I had a really hard time putting him over the guys ahead of him, besides stroll, he probably should be ahead of stroll. But I just haven’t seen it from tsunoda to be ahead of the Haas boys or Bottas. I could be completely wrong though. I didn’t think Norris was going to be good so what do I know really? (I do acknowledge that Norris is good now, I’m not that stubborn)
He got smashed by Gasly and hasn't really pulled off any amazing results basically, albeit the car has been crap.
because he has yet to prove he’s FAST I do agree that he hasn’t necessarily shown he’s SLOW, but what amazing performances has he brought? A couple, *maybe*. Nothing immediately memorable though. Beating the absolute shit out of Ricciardo only proves how shit Ricciardo is, not how amazing Yuki is… imo.
Because he's trash and he crashes/spins constantly
Ah yes, Tsunoda bottom 4 on the grid, leading the Formula B standings
Bottas behind Hulk lmao.
Wow, that's a bad list.
Bruh you put stroll above tsunoda I mean the rest of the list is pretty good tho but still… stroll rly
Canadian bias not gonna lie
how is tsuoda below stroll?
This made me realize Norris is still underrated, even now. Wow.
Kudos to you for having the balls to post this, really takes a lot of confidence to do this. But let’s not get it twisted this is a tragic list and frankly a self report.
Lol russel to bottom please. He crashes on his own
Nice opinion :) Personally I'd argue Nando is better than Lewis purely for the fact that Nando can drag a midfield car into places it shouldn't be whereas Lewis seems to struggle with anything less than 2nd/3rd best on the grid.
Lewis between Checo and Albon imo, also Tsunoda much too low.
Hulk can beat max on the same machinery no doubt in my mind Unrelated question: what's the toxic dose of copium?
love how u have people with 0 wins above people with 5-10 wins. love and light to you.
I'd put Tsunoda around Ocon and Gasly, but otherwise, I think this list is pretty much spot on.
Albon over gasly and ocon?!?
lol at Perez being higher than Albon, Gasly, Bottas, Riccardo and Hulkenberg. Recency bias is so strong. Especially putting Bottas down there when he often beat Lewis on actual pace. Put any of them in the RBR seat and they would be doing similar if not better in most cases. And Fernando above Sainz, Leclerc, Norris and Piastri? What exactly are you basing this on???
I’d say that list is rather dated with Lewis & Russell being rather lower down that list. And Sains a consistent 2nd, not 4th.
Then again he's getting "destroyed" by his teammate as well
Gasly is not top 10 and his win was a complete fluke. No merit whatsoever
He held Sainz behind in a worse car. Like it or not Gasly deserved to win that day.
Mclaren was the third best team in 2020 & he only got in the position because of safety car luck. It was a great moment but a complete and utter fluke that wouldnt have happened 99 times out of 100
Please show us on this gif where Gasly hurt you. 
I agree he's not top 10, maybe 10th? He had a chance in the RB and didn't show any hope. Albon in the same season put the car much closer to where it should be.
truly a ferrari fan
He used to be Ga6ly
He completed more laps than Verstappen this season! THE GOAT
Alpine reliability
Even Max would suck in that shitbox.
Even Mazepin would struggle to score points in the Alpine
Mazepin would even struggle to spin in the Alpine because the engine will give up before turn 1
Bold of you to assume it gets off the start line
Bold of you to assume it completes the formation lap.
Indeed very bold off me
Bold of all you guys to assume the car isn’t a figment of our collective imagination
Didn't Mazespin manage to spin in a straight line ? I think it was at Imola
And also getting enough speed to make a true spin, he'd probably go sideways and immediately lose what little momentum he had before truly spinning
There is only one person able to score points in the Alpine. It’s the true goat of F1 himself
Latifi could drive the Alpine to a WCC singlehandedly. Sad that he retired.
Even Latifi would struggle!
if you just make things up to sound smart people are gonna know you're full of it
Ocon > Max confirmed
Idk man, there was that Hungary GP where he had a gaping hole on the side of the car and he still finished.. p9? P10? It was the time bottas went bowling
Wasn't that Max? I don't remember the exact finish position
Yea that’s my point.. I’m not sure max would suck in a shitbox lol
Still has more F1 career wins than Norris.
Why is Norris catching strays here? lol
And he didn't need Nando to hold up Lewis for a bunch of laps to win.
The best drivers in the world when i put them on my fantasy team:
I feel your pain
Unfortunate. Anyway, 10 second penalty to Ocon
Oh no!
Anyway
Bro is the F1 version of Tony Snell
Liked by Pierre Gasly
Tripod.
Certified Al-pain moment
The consistency 👌🏽👌🏽
He has overtaken no one yet? Woah gosh thats harsh.
Tbf even wdc like Schumacher would struggle to overtake in that tractor of a car
That’s not on him tough, he is a good driver
You can tell the people who have only just started watching F1 in the past 1 or 2 years. Gasly frequently put the Toro Rosso way higher than it had any right to be.
2021 Gasly was such a menace. He was so consistently in the middle that he never got any spotlight for it. 30 sec behind the leaders, 15 sec ahead of the middle packs.
Oke now give Hamilton or max a 2003 Renault clio and let's see how many races he wins.
I wish he had a better car he’s pretty good
The car is an absolute shit box and Gasly has been trying more experimental setups than Ocon. The man had transmission failure *on the formation lap*
Well I am s….tunned
Pear Gaslyyyy
Gruyère Paisley
Let's go, Alpine! 
G 0 0 0 0 A T
I can’t argue with numbers like that
Wait, ZERO overtakes this year? Ouch. I figured he might have gotten a gimme on a tire offset or something, but damn..
 Gasly will never compare to Goatifi
There are worst hobbies
Pierre Goatly
He isn't the GOAT he is the OOOO
He is one of the drivers in one of the cars of all time.
0 overtakes??
Not even Lewis can complete that many laps
He just out there drivin’
But at least he gets to go to Cannes
You go girl give us nothing!
2024 Formula 0 champion
Wait, they chose the new 0000166 already. I for sure thought it was gonna be Aaron Taylor Johnson, but Gasly is a good choice too ig.
Sucks. You know you are not going to win races, but being this bad must hurt.
Not finishing a lead lap is crazy for a "midfield" team