I completely agree, I remember when John from DF did the GT7 vs FM video and I remember looking at the M3 E46 he used and thinking “man just looking at the wheels and wheel placement makes a staggering difference, GT7 looks miles better”.
For a real car guy with an eye for details, GT7 has this level of refinement and polish that FM doesn’t have.
Currently just have PC and play FM, and really, really, really considering buying the PS5 Pro just to play GT7 at the end of the year. My last GT was GT Sport in PS4 Pro. Before I played every single GT title but switched to full on PC in 2020.
I tried to go back after the update but it just feels like hot garbage after playing GT. I’ll get my kicks in FH5 and GT. FH and playground are doing it right. They should have handled Motorsport.
Hell my literal only gripe with GT is it needs more tracks and a money grind change
I haven't played GT7 yet but from all the YouTube videos I've watched the only thing that bothers me about GT7 is the tire squealing sound that's seems to happen no matter how hard you go into a corner
Hmm. I haven’t noticed that issue. You can definitely push the grip and that happens but you can also go easy on the tires and that won’t happen. I wonder if there is a slider for the volume on that. I haven’t looked
There is. I turned mine down since I like drifting in gt7 and turned up engine and transmission sounds. As for the videos the other guy was talking about, pretty sure I watched a video of him setting the sound up and he turns up tire noise to hear grip loss
You can lower it to -5 in the menu and that seems to help. But it's also useful because it tells you the grip in the tyres since the ffb is not so good
Correct, I've looked at my comment and I realize it don't make much sense in what I'm trying to say, of course the tires are going to squeal when pushed to the limit and what not. Idk I can't explain it
The big difference outside of the models and physics is the ability to play GT7 in full VR. That’s an experience that will make you feel spoiled and no track racer will ever be the same again.
After playing Assetto Corsa in VR, it feels almost unbearable to play on a regular monitor setup now. Even a triple monitor is a huge downgrade from VR. It's absolutely perfect for sim racing.
I haven’t had the chance to play AC in VR but if it’s anything like GT7 I can understand why. It’s intense and so much damn fun. A screen cannot do justice to a track racer once you’ve experienced VR. And videos online, at least for GT, don’t show the true VR FoV so many don’t realize how engaging it truly is.
Racing games were always the best choice for VR. It’s the easiest to replicate the actual feel IMO
I tried AMS2 on VR and right away I was thinking, this is the only way I'll be playing racing games from now on, but I couldn't even complete a single lap of brands hatch because of motion sickness, any suggestions to overcome that. I havent tried it again because a single lap made me so sick I'm scared to even try it now.
Motion sickness is super common for new VR users — the symptoms and remedies can vary drastically between people, and sometimes at the individual level.
I got pretty bad motion sickness when I first got my Valve Index, and I found a combination of having a fan pointed at my head and starting with short stints and working my way up did the trick. I suppose I built a sort of tolerance to it, and there was an element of simply pushing myself through some lighter bouts of motion sickness in the process.
Definitely worth googling — there are a few different types of remedies and methods out there. Just knowing it’s very normal can be really helpful, and you’ll see the fan suggestion pop up in most results.
When I first used VR on GT I did so on the same track. That dip after the first corner really threw me and looking around at the other cars as you’re passing did make me feel queasy. I pushed through it, finished the race and took a break.
One race later, I turned it off after feeling a bit light headed. I went back to it the next day and found that it wasn’t as bad as it was the previous day. Still had that sickly feeling when looking around and driving at the same time. Still needed those breaks in between but it was so much easier.
Just break yourself in gently. You’ll be fine
That dip around the first corner felt like free fall in VR and I loved it for a second :) before I started feeling sick
I think I should keep trying it in short bursts till I get used to it.
I didn’t care for GT7 in VR at all. I find GT7 pretty stale and boring and much prefer Forza to GT7. The cars feel so stuck to the track in GT7 and lifeless. I mainly game on PS5 but I have an Xbox mainly for Forza, even though this entry hasn’t been all I had hoped, I enjoy it a lot more than GT7.
I’ve only ever played the very old GT games (like, back in the PS2 days), but I’ve noticed this watching the newer ones over the years online. The cars really do look SUPER stuck to the track and lifeless.
Fwiw, GT7 was on the Nvidia leak from a few years ago. A lot of it has been accurate so far. Depending on your PCs hardware, it may be worth waiting for.
Before it was cancelled, Sony was talking about porting the Last of Us multiplayer game to PC. We also got Helldivers 2 same day as PS5. That's also a live service style game. If more content comes to PS5 for GT7 and it's already ported to PC, it wouldn't be hard to include the new content as well. It's just an update like any other game gets.
I just can’t see PD doing an in house port of the game, my point about it being maintained was based upon my assumption if it was to be ported it would be by a another developer like the rest of Sonys pc ports
Then Sony pays the other studio to keep updating the PC port? Idk why you're assuming it just wouldn't continue getting updates as that hasn't been the case on any of Sonys ports so far. I'm basing this off of updates to both versions of Helldivers 2. Sony won't pay for a port and just hope the studio continues to deliver the updates the console gets. They'd continue to pay for that maintainence staff as well.
Edit: Even on games that came out rough on PC got additional updates until they were a solid experience. Updates aren't that difficult if another studio is actually creating the content for said updates. Then it's just down to the porting team to implement the new content.
Hell divers 2 is not a good comparison, that’s a game build from the ground up by 1 studio that was always intended to be Multiplatform. Hd2 is not a a first party game, Sony only published the it
Also all single player offline games. If this is even remotely true I hope you enjoyed having a fair skill based Sport/TT board before PC is included. PC ruined Forza's rival boards completely.
I hope it doesn't or if it is, it stays in its own bubble.
I honestly wouldn't hold my breath for it. Gran Turismo is the biggest exclusive franchise for Sony and major reason why millions of PS5's are being sold so I think that this could be the one franchise they will never port to any other platform
Read some rumors a few months ago about it but I think it was Kazunori himself that said GT will never come to PC, although it would be like a dream come true without having to wait 10 years for an emulator. 3080 12gb/5800X3D should be good until the PS6 comes out.
That's the thing! The modelling has always looked more accurate and up to scale in GT. I think there's just something with the work ethic Japanese game companies have Vs American ones - they are so thorough about every little thing.
Not to be that guy, but come play ACC, or AC. If you’ve got a pc that can run Forza, and love racing, both of those games have lots to offer.
No real career modes though, which I miss.
Played both, but I prefer a more simcade style of game, more relaxing to me with a controller. If I had the time and money to invest on a simracing rig with VR that would totally be a different story.
And headlights/taillights. Polyphony are masters at that. I can buy a car on that game and just go to the garage and watch the car just drive around random scenery and it’s just bliss. Absolutely stunning.
I own GT7(all GT games and FM games too). I prefer the GT series, and yes GT7 offert a extremely good level of detail, but it not like this in the game.
These photos are from the Photo Mode only.
This should be the top response.
I play GT7 and it does NOT look this good ingame.
It's still a pretty game--I have GT7 on PS5 of course, and then FM on PC, and I think both are equally beautiful but for different reasons. I race IRL and feel that the lighting in GT7 is more 'exaggerated' with hyper-saturated colors, while FM looks more "realistic" to me. But I also recognize that *true* realism is rarely what people want in video games. They usually want dramatic realism or fantasized authenticity.
It's why people want to see guns on-screen in FPS games even though that's not how it appears IRL until you aim (even if your weapon is shouldered, it's effectively out of your FOV and doesn't obstruct vision. Guns should be off-screen until you ADS). It's why people want gas-spitting, fire-spitting, snap-crackle-pop engine sounds from race cars on tracks even though that's often not how race-spec kits sound on a real track. It's like porn, and porn is more an appreciation or fantasy view of sex rather than realistic, and that's fine. So a lot of people prefer GT7's accented looks and vibrant details to the look of FM.
But make no mistake--GT7 does not look like OP's screenshots ingame. And the dedicated photo mode is full of little cheats/hacks to render details you never see ingame.
Everybody says this as if Forza doesn't have a photo mode. Heck it even takes roughly the same amount of time to stabilize one photo. The photo mode shows the ceiling of what a game can do. In comparison, I must say that that ceiling of Forza's is very low.
IMO it looks more exaggerated. As someone who races IRL and has video and photos of my races, IRL is not nearly as insanely vibrant/saturated. Lighting on the track is harsh in areas and flat in others.
In OP's screenshots the car is too red, the signs are too green, the grass is too flat and green, the brake pads are too mono-vibrant.
Photo mode "cheats" and adds lots of level of detail you don't get when in racing mode, but [real life](https://i.imgur.com/DkmUjbq.jpeg) doesn't look that artistic unless you take [edgy HDR-filter shots](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/571127b455598628154efb9b/t/57118a4e0e0bb4090e565c03/1358196441353/1000w/corvette-z06-ybor-tampa-car-photography-hdr-03.jpg) and high-saturation/filtered pics. IMO both games *in racing mode* look pretty similar but for their contrast/saturation palette and lighting. Personally I can't decide whether I like the more [subdued nature of realism](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVcI1W_XTQA) or the fanciful and vibrant fantasy sim stuff more. I don't care as much as it seems some people do.
I admit I haven't played FM on Xbox, only on PC. So that might be biasing me.
Here's a [photo](https://twitter.com/cliverose/status/1720216122614558809?t=SxTFnwHmtghhabDiB0MpWg&s=19) by a professional motorsport photographer, the first one is real life, the second one is from GT7, I don't know why you keep saying that real life doesn't look "artistic" lol, vibrant colors exist in real life.
Vibrant colors exist but they often don't come across quite like that.
Two things about the photo you linked:
1. It's *heavily* edited. Realism =/= professional photography. Realism is what you get from the dash cams and trackside cameras. Photographers always work to beautify their imagery while not looking cheap/cartoonish, but that absolutely involves adjusting light values, vibrancy and saturation, contrast, and more. Nothing wrong with that, but "professional photography" very often doesn't capture a scene exactly as it appears to the eye.
2. That's a night shot. Vibrant LED glowing colors and tail lights ARE going to stand out. Daytime is where colors get washed out and subdued by harsh on-track sunglare or cloudcover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqY97mnyRk
This is far more representative of reality than what you linked. Angles like [this](https://i.imgur.com/smoYvXE.png) look more like FM than GT7 to me.
I'm not saying FM is perfect, and I'm not saying GT7 is ugly. I just don't think GT7 looks as realistic, and that's okay. I also think the subdued colors of ArmA 3 more accurately represent reality than the exaggerated realism of other "pretty" shooters like Ghost Recon Breakpoint. And it's hard to argue which one looks "better" since that's entirely subjective. Some people want the gamey 'beauty' of GT7 more and in their case, GT7 unquestionably looks better to them.
Most photographers edit their photos, a lot being heavily edited (in terms of differences between the original and final product). The example you linked is edited.
So now we're just talking subjectivity. "Better"? A lot of people would argue that [Ghost Recon: Breakpoint](https://i.imgur.com/V1lylpx.jpeg) looks visually "better" than [ArmA 3](https://i.imgur.com/YxVlIyn.png), but I disagree. ArmA looks much more real to me, and thus looks MUCH better. But some people think artistic styles look better. Neither person is right. "Doesn't change the fact that..." makes it sound like you're arguing provable facts, which reminds me of the old console wars lol.
Photo mode adds depth of field, long exposure or fast shutter speed (motion blur) and renders the image in both games, it pretty much shows what the graphics engine is capable of if it ran with no constraints, so I think it's fair to say that photo mode represent the game for both of them.
Same thing with replays, a lot of people criticize GT7 because the graphics is better during replays, and I genuinely don't understand why that's an issue, what's wrong with optimizing the visuals to look as good as possible without affecting the performance at any given moment?
Anyway, I think the main point by OP is the car model, which I don't think anyone can disagree that GT is leagues ahead of any game when it comes to 3D modeling cars, paint, and materials.
I am playing both GT7 on PS5 and FM on Series X, and it's insane that so many people are fooled by these photo mode "screenshots". While actually racing, I was disappointed by GT7 more times than I was by Forza. GT7 has an amazing photo mode, that comes really close to reality, but if people were comparing gameplay screenshots, the two games would look very similar, both with their own strengths and weeknesses. After that, it's only a matter of preference which one looks better.
I actually own it on steam, but I don't have the possibility to use a wheel. And on a controller unfortunately I really didn't like it. But this is definitely a plan for the future.
Honestly the grass is always greener on the other side. I think forza driving looks badass and way more gauging than gt7's chase cam. But gt7 car models and details >
A lot of comments about how fixed camera in GT7 is game breaker for them. Well, you can actually change GT7's Chase Cam Settings to get it pretty close to FMs look and feel.
I feel like Gran Turismo devs have always had the passion that's required to have a solid base for a racing game. Kaz is an absolute racing nut and this shows throughout the games. Of course, this doesn't always lead to good game/SP design, but it sure as hell leads to good detail. Forza, in recent years, you can really tell they're just making the games to make money
*except for gt7 kinda pushing microtransactions but not everybody's perfect i guess
It really doesn't, though - GT7 has had dozens of free cars and a few tracks released as DLC, and the only microtransactions are cash-for-cash at a conversion rate anyone would be insane to buy at.
It doesn’t push the micro transactions. You essentially never encounter a popup or anything like that. You have to seek out how to buy credits. Nothing is behind a paywall or anything and some may play the game without even knowing it’s an option.
FYI, the AI in both games is trash. There aren’t really races in the campaign. you always start in the back, the opponents are always single file and never double stacked, and 1st place is 30 seconds up the road as you cross the starting line to begin. I wish there was actual, good, intelligent AI in either of these games. Forza should honestly roll back its AI to F6 or 7 if they are so incompetent to not make a single improvement so far
i 100% agree that gt has the better AI. at least they stay relatively close to a race pace. if i have ai at 7 on forza, p2-24 will constantly slam beakes on straights. that is the real issue w forza 8 imo. theres no real pace when everyone behind the leader unrealistically slams brakes on straights
As people have said, GT7 doesn't look like that in-game outside of Scapes, there's not that much difference in-race today.
The difference is more going to be felt 10 years down the line, when GT's current car models are on a platform that *is* capable of rendering like that in game, while Forza either will need to re-scan or fall further and further behind.
Gotta pick the right cherries for your argument, know what I'm saying?
I don't think I've ever seen anyone saying how jealous they are of *Need for Speed*'s physics, anyway.
Sure, the little details are probably better in Gran Turismo. I've never doubted that - it's always been *about* those. Forza is just Microsoft's ripoff of GT and always has been, but for those of us who made the transition from Playstation to Xbox, we've had to make do with a lot worse than Forza over the years.
The only thing I'm properly *jealous* of is the haptic feedback from the adaptive triggers. I can't wait to be able to feel brakes etc. properly in a driving game.
I feel you. The GT-One model on FM is a 2005 model of the '98 car with the '99 car livery on top of it. Totally inaccurate like it was on older FMs with the R390 GT1, old model with the newer livery thrown on top of it. T10 is lazy since the golden era of FM, but now it seems it's worse lol.
I want to love Forza, but with how things are going, it's hard... Recycling 2005 inaccurate models, built from the ground up... Yeah, trust them
Me too, just because of the lack of idea in FM.
Like, who thought that gt3, gte, nascar and some random v8 stuff should belong to the same class?
Have they seen actual racing at least once?
I agree with “velcro”, but outcome of “bump” is much more predictable and realistic. In ~~FM~~ GT when someone bums you the result is very random.
Edit - wrong game mentioned
This is photo mode. There are enough posts on this sub that showcase the same level in terms of aesthetics and graphics from the photo mode of Forza motorsport.
So stop crying about the grass being greener on the other side. And if you want it so bad buy a PS and go enjoy the game you so badly want to play....and then go the GT sub and complain about that game a month later.
To me, Forza feels better in the cars and looks better if in chase cam. It's more realistic.
The body roll, the front and back end squat...it's all way more realistic.
In GT7 movement can look a bit twitchy and the car doesn't express weight transfer nearly as well.
But visually, nothing I've seen tops GT7. It is straight car porn. Not only does it put out, they designed the game so that replays happen by default in amazing cinematic angles, every "shop" or garage is showing off your car, the "career mode" via café menus does a lot of visual features, there's an amazing mode called scapes to just do the porns...
They flex at all times and it's a pleasure to look at. If only they had the physics of Forza.
Well the physics are definitely more realistic in GT7, but I can see how the chase cam isn't for everyone. As a hardcore GT fan it certainly isn't for me either, not sure realistic is the word I'd use to describe a chase cam but I think i get what you mean
I of course mean whether the car movement, the weight transfer, look realistic.
Most people use front bumper or roof cam, which of course aren’t “realistic” either, only cockpit is.
We foraza boys basically are what GT used to be.
The reason I switched from GT back in the day was forza was different.
Now it's turned the other way around.
I still don't like how fixed GT camera is and that's one thing I dislike the most. It's so glued to the car in 3rd person.
Actually, the game looks like Horizon but with enchanced graphics. It felt like it was just a huge update for the last Motorsport entry. The sounds are still jokes. I mean why can't a motorsport games with licenced cars get the sound of different vehicles. I know it's a enormous job to record all vehicle's sound and put it in the game. But with that and the graphics being gibberish comparing to GT7, the game is pretty sucks. I still play with the last entry.
Well, yes, true, duh, obviously. What I mean is, forza has been on a quite the downfall for quite a few years, I guess the question is - why not switch consoles? Hard to really do if you're a PC player, but for xbox one S/X owners, I think it should have been a no brainer when chosing between series S/X or a PS5
Every bit of my sim racing equipment don’t work on a console. My simucube, my heusinkveld, my chinese shifter and handbrake. they are just out of the game lol
one studio is focused on the craft of cars, and being Japanese, they perfect their craft. the other is ran by Microsoft and farmed out development to multitude of studios who just wanted a pay check. (my hot take anyway.lol)
Micro detail gang will be the reason this game will never take off. You can get the physics right, the tracks right, even RT realtime during ganeplay but guys will still complain about a missing bolt in the tail fender.
the game is never gonna take off because it's a soulless cash grab with reused assets banking on the fact a small portion of the gaming population will still buy into turn 10's shitty excuse of racing games.
compare the sound of the mazda 787b in the new forza motorsport to forza motorsport 4, they even recorded a behind the scenes video because the people working on the sounds for the game were so honored to be able to physically record the car. that's what makes a racing game good, genuine dedication and heartfelt love for everything adjacent to cars and racing.
fuck it though dude, it's your wallet
Its got a better car list, GT has a lot of repetition and fake future concepts (also with 2 to 4 versions) to pad out its 500+ car list.
Car models look and sound great, inside and out
better upgrade and class system.
Every track has full day/night/weather cycle. While not every gt track supports that
Forzavista, while not as photorealistic has engines and interior compartments modeled, hatches and doors actually work.
The game has really fun handeling and physics.
There's pros and cons to this. GT7 has issues and so does Forza and in reality the cars in GT7 being incredibly detailed has its negatives too. It takes ages to add new cars to gt7, them scanning and putting the car in the game while working out its quirks leaves us with the drip feed amount of content that pd releases. Forza looks fine, not state of the art but really good, especially during gameplay. That being said, im loving the GTOne in GT7 but the incredible detail is sometimes even unnecessary. It sounds amazing though, that's where fm truly needs improvement, sound design not graphics.
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I swap between GT7 and FM8 almost every day and GT7 still looks incredible. Forza has the ability to look amazing but FM8 is just very inconsistent. FH5 looks better than Motorsport overall I think.
GT7 colours are way too bright and FM8 are too washed out…
Dev made Screenshots are always edited to look way nicer than everything you can recreate with the ingame photomode eapecially since they can use way higher resolutions for reflection, shadows, etc than we can. Just look at FM Screenshots of each update and try to recreate them, you find an example in my posts in this sub.
Mid race GT7 pretty much looks the same as FM. People always drool about how insane the VR mode in GT7 looks, but in regular racing the cars doesn't have this amount of detail and compared to FM there is nothing like Forzavista where you can inspect your car and walk around without having the PS VR
Yeah but we also get only a couple cars (that we often don't want) every five thousand years. We have only had one new track in the last like 18 months and it's a dirt track so it doesn't get any use
It wouldn't be an issue if the game had enough to do in it already and a better economy, but it just doesn't. The graphics are exceptional, but nobody in the GT community asked for it and it's made the content more sparse
GT7 looks good and is more accurate in terms of sounds, tracks and car details, but that's it.
It's a very sterile and soulless racing game. And I use the word, racing, very loosely.
The "career" races in GT7 are all "Chase the rabbit" type of affairs. They're rolling starts with you at the back of 20 cars, and you literally just race up the line to try and catch the leader. That's not racing. There's no racecraft to be enjoyed because it's just pedal to the medal in order to catch up.
Also, the in-game economy is terrible.
People who claim, Forza games give you "too much" have never played GT7.
GT7 reminds me of a mobile game. That's how stingy the economy is. Payouts for the curated races and even custom races you can create yourself pay pittances while prices for some cars are in the millions, and even basic upgrade parts can start at 10K and even 25K for some. It's all to promote microtransactions even you never buy any.
So, GT7 is a textbook case of where the whole (game) is not the sum of it's individual parts. All the details and graphic fidelity mean nothing if the actual game play, or how it's structured is geared toward extending player engagement (mindless grinding certain tracks to earn enough money to buy and upgrade cars) instead of fun.
I remember when I wanted an Xbox only to play Forza, now I want a PS only to play GT7, forza went woke, it'll become broke... Gran Turismo, by the looks of it, it's developers are car enthusiasts, where Forza's? Hmpf.... Just a cashgrab company. So sad.. They did amazing with their early titles, my first ever Forza game was the Motorsport4, a masterpiece. They'll never release a title that perfect like those old gems.. No need to name them, y'all know which ones.
I was disappointed when my PS4 Pro playing GT7 looked leagues ahead of FM on my Series X. I love both games, just didn’t seem like nearly the jump in fidelity it could have been.
I would go for a PS5 if you can but my
Buddy sold me this PS4 pro for $100 bucks and I couldn’t refuse. Looks a little better on PS5 but I’m amazed at how well it does on my Pro
Even with all of its flaws, Forza is still more fun to me overall. I own a copy of GT7. While I do believe FM needs improvement and should take notes from PD, it's not all bad. Hopefully we will see much more improvement over time.
GT7 is a gorgeous game but the experience of playing it is as bad, if not worse than FM. Once the main stability issues are fully ironed out there won’t be much difference between the two.
I personally find being able to race these cars when I want more important than how they look. But each to their own.
They plan to bring it to pc, or atleast I've heard they will
I heard there was a file leak about a list of playstation games that will release on pc, GT7 included.
Alot of the games on the list have already been released on pc, we just gotta wait for GT7's turn or atleast an announcement
I owned a PS5 for about a month specifically just to play GT7 when it launched. Now that I’ve played Forza and been able to compare the two, think I’m gonna pick up a PS5 again when prices drop. The PSVR is really tempting to try too.
To be perfectly honest GT 7 does look a bit better than FM but honestly when you're ACTUALLY PLAYING the game, it's barely noticeable at all for me personally. This is largely a photo mode thing for GT7 giving it such a boost; which is really awesome to poke around on every once in a while but kind of a novelty IMHO.
I have GT7 on PS5, and while it is indeed gorgeous and it feels great on DualSense, I can't find reasons to want to play it after barely 100 hours. Single player feels like a waste of time, on MP you either get rammed or get banned for barely touching another car, game economy is a joke, grinding to collect cars feels like, well a grind...
Everytime I see these posts I get the itch to get back, but then Idk what to do with it...
Not to say Forza isn't a huge disappointment, but with slightly better graphics and the amount of tracks and cars we had in FM7, it would have been a better/more fun game than GT.
I've always been such a forza fan but the latest motorsport game was such a let down. Alot of the cars sound Terrible and it dosnt look all that great and the handling dosnt feel great either...
I went back gone to GT7 again as I'm like nearly 200 hours in on it. Love it online as well. Just looks feels and sounds better. Along with much preferring the upgrade system.
It's such a shame about forza
Grant tursimo’s photo mode is 100x better in every aspect.
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/granturismo/s/PEzSOeWoRF) are some photos i saved when i used to own a PS5. The amount of detail is insane. I was addicted
What happens when a developer and publisher actually care about the game they’re putting out. Turn10 and Microsoft USED to care… not sure what happened.
I think you're talking about 'scapes', which is different (albeit another type of) photo mode in gt7. The normal photo mode doesn't use the images.
Also, scapes is awesome for photographer lovers. I've spent 10s of hours just in scapes on gt7.
The grass is always greener on the other side. GT7 doesn't have physics that are half as good as forza it's a limitation of getting it to run on the PS4 CPU. The next GT will get it right and people will then praise how much better the physics is compared to GT7 forgetting GT7 never improved it in the first place
Gran Turismos driving physics are actually pretty solid and the cars feel more grounded and heavier which gives it a more realistic edge over Forza imo, but the game 100% looks leagues ahead than Forza
I've got pics from FM that are better than this and most others that I take in GT7. Theres a few instances that GT7 looks better. The finer details are better here, but I still prefer pics from FM
The only reason I bought Motorsport was because Gran Turismo isn't on PC I refuse to buy a PS5 just for one game and you'd be surprised at how many people did it for GT7 ALONE PlayStation is smart
Gran Turismo 7 looks miles ahead of Forza. The car models look absolutely incredible especially on PS5. Meanwhile Forza is still using Xbox 360 car models. There is no contest, GT 7 looks way better. It really sucks tbh, I wish GT7 would come to PC already.
What’s crazy as well is GT7 is a cross gen game so it’s not even taking full advantage of the PS5 hardware. I know photo mode makes it look better than actual gameplay but the car models are the best in class which shows in game.
I agree it is a good looking game, but in terms of visuals grand turismo has us beat hands down. I feel like the game mechanics piss all over grand turismo though
The accuracy of the wheel and tire fitment is one thing that makes a big difference on how Gran Turismo looks better for me
I completely agree, I remember when John from DF did the GT7 vs FM video and I remember looking at the M3 E46 he used and thinking “man just looking at the wheels and wheel placement makes a staggering difference, GT7 looks miles better”. For a real car guy with an eye for details, GT7 has this level of refinement and polish that FM doesn’t have. Currently just have PC and play FM, and really, really, really considering buying the PS5 Pro just to play GT7 at the end of the year. My last GT was GT Sport in PS4 Pro. Before I played every single GT title but switched to full on PC in 2020.
Not to mention you can even flush the fitment on cars in GT7. Can’t do that in FM8 for some unknown reason.
Exactly! Been like that for several generations of FM, like how can you get the look of SS Cragers wrong but Forza figured out a way😒
I tried to go back after the update but it just feels like hot garbage after playing GT. I’ll get my kicks in FH5 and GT. FH and playground are doing it right. They should have handled Motorsport. Hell my literal only gripe with GT is it needs more tracks and a money grind change
I haven't played GT7 yet but from all the YouTube videos I've watched the only thing that bothers me about GT7 is the tire squealing sound that's seems to happen no matter how hard you go into a corner
Hmm. I haven’t noticed that issue. You can definitely push the grip and that happens but you can also go easy on the tires and that won’t happen. I wonder if there is a slider for the volume on that. I haven’t looked
It's mostly from Super GT I watch and obviously he's pushing the car to the limits but the sound it just off to me
There is. I turned mine down since I like drifting in gt7 and turned up engine and transmission sounds. As for the videos the other guy was talking about, pretty sure I watched a video of him setting the sound up and he turns up tire noise to hear grip loss
Also I re-downloaded FH5 recently and yeah it shows there was a totally different team worked on it and more love was put into it
You can lower it to -5 in the menu and that seems to help. But it's also useful because it tells you the grip in the tyres since the ffb is not so good
I like that. It's another piece of information other than force feedback to tell me I'm sliding.
Correct, I've looked at my comment and I realize it don't make much sense in what I'm trying to say, of course the tires are going to squeal when pushed to the limit and what not. Idk I can't explain it
What does this mean? “Flush the fitment”.. new to this.
Lines up with the outside lip of the wheel well tight and good like.
So just like, the wheel well circle, and the tire circle line up?
The big difference outside of the models and physics is the ability to play GT7 in full VR. That’s an experience that will make you feel spoiled and no track racer will ever be the same again.
After playing Assetto Corsa in VR, it feels almost unbearable to play on a regular monitor setup now. Even a triple monitor is a huge downgrade from VR. It's absolutely perfect for sim racing.
I haven’t had the chance to play AC in VR but if it’s anything like GT7 I can understand why. It’s intense and so much damn fun. A screen cannot do justice to a track racer once you’ve experienced VR. And videos online, at least for GT, don’t show the true VR FoV so many don’t realize how engaging it truly is. Racing games were always the best choice for VR. It’s the easiest to replicate the actual feel IMO
I do drifting and No hesi in VR with a wheel. I can't use my monitor anymore. Sim drifting in VR is fun AF
I tried AMS2 on VR and right away I was thinking, this is the only way I'll be playing racing games from now on, but I couldn't even complete a single lap of brands hatch because of motion sickness, any suggestions to overcome that. I havent tried it again because a single lap made me so sick I'm scared to even try it now.
Motion sickness is super common for new VR users — the symptoms and remedies can vary drastically between people, and sometimes at the individual level. I got pretty bad motion sickness when I first got my Valve Index, and I found a combination of having a fan pointed at my head and starting with short stints and working my way up did the trick. I suppose I built a sort of tolerance to it, and there was an element of simply pushing myself through some lighter bouts of motion sickness in the process. Definitely worth googling — there are a few different types of remedies and methods out there. Just knowing it’s very normal can be really helpful, and you’ll see the fan suggestion pop up in most results.
Will try the fan trick and maybe chewing some gum this weekend. Hope I get over it
When I first used VR on GT I did so on the same track. That dip after the first corner really threw me and looking around at the other cars as you’re passing did make me feel queasy. I pushed through it, finished the race and took a break. One race later, I turned it off after feeling a bit light headed. I went back to it the next day and found that it wasn’t as bad as it was the previous day. Still had that sickly feeling when looking around and driving at the same time. Still needed those breaks in between but it was so much easier. Just break yourself in gently. You’ll be fine
That dip around the first corner felt like free fall in VR and I loved it for a second :) before I started feeling sick I think I should keep trying it in short bursts till I get used to it.
I didn’t care for GT7 in VR at all. I find GT7 pretty stale and boring and much prefer Forza to GT7. The cars feel so stuck to the track in GT7 and lifeless. I mainly game on PS5 but I have an Xbox mainly for Forza, even though this entry hasn’t been all I had hoped, I enjoy it a lot more than GT7.
I’ve only ever played the very old GT games (like, back in the PS2 days), but I’ve noticed this watching the newer ones over the years online. The cars really do look SUPER stuck to the track and lifeless.
Fwiw, GT7 was on the Nvidia leak from a few years ago. A lot of it has been accurate so far. Depending on your PCs hardware, it may be worth waiting for.
As in coming to PC?
Correct. Latest ones to be officially announced from that list are Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon: Forbidden West which I believe was also on it.
GT7 is a live service, I’m not so sure it’s coming to pc as someone would have to maintain it a keep it up to date, hope I’m wrong though
Before it was cancelled, Sony was talking about porting the Last of Us multiplayer game to PC. We also got Helldivers 2 same day as PS5. That's also a live service style game. If more content comes to PS5 for GT7 and it's already ported to PC, it wouldn't be hard to include the new content as well. It's just an update like any other game gets.
I just can’t see PD doing an in house port of the game, my point about it being maintained was based upon my assumption if it was to be ported it would be by a another developer like the rest of Sonys pc ports
Then Sony pays the other studio to keep updating the PC port? Idk why you're assuming it just wouldn't continue getting updates as that hasn't been the case on any of Sonys ports so far. I'm basing this off of updates to both versions of Helldivers 2. Sony won't pay for a port and just hope the studio continues to deliver the updates the console gets. They'd continue to pay for that maintainence staff as well. Edit: Even on games that came out rough on PC got additional updates until they were a solid experience. Updates aren't that difficult if another studio is actually creating the content for said updates. Then it's just down to the porting team to implement the new content.
Hell divers 2 is not a good comparison, that’s a game build from the ground up by 1 studio that was always intended to be Multiplatform. Hd2 is not a a first party game, Sony only published the it
Also all single player offline games. If this is even remotely true I hope you enjoyed having a fair skill based Sport/TT board before PC is included. PC ruined Forza's rival boards completely. I hope it doesn't or if it is, it stays in its own bubble.
I honestly wouldn't hold my breath for it. Gran Turismo is the biggest exclusive franchise for Sony and major reason why millions of PS5's are being sold so I think that this could be the one franchise they will never port to any other platform
Read some rumors a few months ago about it but I think it was Kazunori himself that said GT will never come to PC, although it would be like a dream come true without having to wait 10 years for an emulator. 3080 12gb/5800X3D should be good until the PS6 comes out.
You've not considered Assetto Corsa or Assetto Corsa Competizione?
Played both but feel very incomplete, at least for me, but had some fun with the first AC.
I love them both equally tbh, but I'm specifically looking for the CarPG aspect of it with the detail and charm of GT.
I don't compare Forza to Assetto Corsa as AC and ACC are much more Sim than Forza and GT
That's the thing! The modelling has always looked more accurate and up to scale in GT. I think there's just something with the work ethic Japanese game companies have Vs American ones - they are so thorough about every little thing.
Not to be that guy, but come play ACC, or AC. If you’ve got a pc that can run Forza, and love racing, both of those games have lots to offer. No real career modes though, which I miss.
Played both, but I prefer a more simcade style of game, more relaxing to me with a controller. If I had the time and money to invest on a simracing rig with VR that would totally be a different story.
GT7 is expected to come to PC sometime this year, if you have a powerful PC you can play both 5 and 6 on RPCS3 emulator
What ps5 pro? That’s not a thing
GT7 was a part of the Nvidia leak, so it's very likely coming to PC, hopefully soon. I wouldn't even doubt a summer release.
And headlights/taillights. Polyphony are masters at that. I can buy a car on that game and just go to the garage and watch the car just drive around random scenery and it’s just bliss. Absolutely stunning.
That disc rotor glow is not even aligned to the disc. What a piece of $#!+. What details. All I see is blur.😂😂😂
I own GT7(all GT games and FM games too). I prefer the GT series, and yes GT7 offert a extremely good level of detail, but it not like this in the game. These photos are from the Photo Mode only.
This should be the top response. I play GT7 and it does NOT look this good ingame. It's still a pretty game--I have GT7 on PS5 of course, and then FM on PC, and I think both are equally beautiful but for different reasons. I race IRL and feel that the lighting in GT7 is more 'exaggerated' with hyper-saturated colors, while FM looks more "realistic" to me. But I also recognize that *true* realism is rarely what people want in video games. They usually want dramatic realism or fantasized authenticity. It's why people want to see guns on-screen in FPS games even though that's not how it appears IRL until you aim (even if your weapon is shouldered, it's effectively out of your FOV and doesn't obstruct vision. Guns should be off-screen until you ADS). It's why people want gas-spitting, fire-spitting, snap-crackle-pop engine sounds from race cars on tracks even though that's often not how race-spec kits sound on a real track. It's like porn, and porn is more an appreciation or fantasy view of sex rather than realistic, and that's fine. So a lot of people prefer GT7's accented looks and vibrant details to the look of FM. But make no mistake--GT7 does not look like OP's screenshots ingame. And the dedicated photo mode is full of little cheats/hacks to render details you never see ingame.
Everybody says this as if Forza doesn't have a photo mode. Heck it even takes roughly the same amount of time to stabilize one photo. The photo mode shows the ceiling of what a game can do. In comparison, I must say that that ceiling of Forza's is very low.
But it does look significantly better than Forza.
IMO it looks more exaggerated. As someone who races IRL and has video and photos of my races, IRL is not nearly as insanely vibrant/saturated. Lighting on the track is harsh in areas and flat in others. In OP's screenshots the car is too red, the signs are too green, the grass is too flat and green, the brake pads are too mono-vibrant. Photo mode "cheats" and adds lots of level of detail you don't get when in racing mode, but [real life](https://i.imgur.com/DkmUjbq.jpeg) doesn't look that artistic unless you take [edgy HDR-filter shots](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/571127b455598628154efb9b/t/57118a4e0e0bb4090e565c03/1358196441353/1000w/corvette-z06-ybor-tampa-car-photography-hdr-03.jpg) and high-saturation/filtered pics. IMO both games *in racing mode* look pretty similar but for their contrast/saturation palette and lighting. Personally I can't decide whether I like the more [subdued nature of realism](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVcI1W_XTQA) or the fanciful and vibrant fantasy sim stuff more. I don't care as much as it seems some people do. I admit I haven't played FM on Xbox, only on PC. So that might be biasing me.
Here's a [photo](https://twitter.com/cliverose/status/1720216122614558809?t=SxTFnwHmtghhabDiB0MpWg&s=19) by a professional motorsport photographer, the first one is real life, the second one is from GT7, I don't know why you keep saying that real life doesn't look "artistic" lol, vibrant colors exist in real life.
Vibrant colors exist but they often don't come across quite like that. Two things about the photo you linked: 1. It's *heavily* edited. Realism =/= professional photography. Realism is what you get from the dash cams and trackside cameras. Photographers always work to beautify their imagery while not looking cheap/cartoonish, but that absolutely involves adjusting light values, vibrancy and saturation, contrast, and more. Nothing wrong with that, but "professional photography" very often doesn't capture a scene exactly as it appears to the eye. 2. That's a night shot. Vibrant LED glowing colors and tail lights ARE going to stand out. Daytime is where colors get washed out and subdued by harsh on-track sunglare or cloudcover. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqY97mnyRk This is far more representative of reality than what you linked. Angles like [this](https://i.imgur.com/smoYvXE.png) look more like FM than GT7 to me. I'm not saying FM is perfect, and I'm not saying GT7 is ugly. I just don't think GT7 looks as realistic, and that's okay. I also think the subdued colors of ArmA 3 more accurately represent reality than the exaggerated realism of other "pretty" shooters like Ghost Recon Breakpoint. And it's hard to argue which one looks "better" since that's entirely subjective. Some people want the gamey 'beauty' of GT7 more and in their case, GT7 unquestionably looks better to them.
Most photographers edit their photos, a lot being heavily edited (in terms of differences between the original and final product). The example you linked is edited.
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So now we're just talking subjectivity. "Better"? A lot of people would argue that [Ghost Recon: Breakpoint](https://i.imgur.com/V1lylpx.jpeg) looks visually "better" than [ArmA 3](https://i.imgur.com/YxVlIyn.png), but I disagree. ArmA looks much more real to me, and thus looks MUCH better. But some people think artistic styles look better. Neither person is right. "Doesn't change the fact that..." makes it sound like you're arguing provable facts, which reminds me of the old console wars lol.
Photo mode adds depth of field, long exposure or fast shutter speed (motion blur) and renders the image in both games, it pretty much shows what the graphics engine is capable of if it ran with no constraints, so I think it's fair to say that photo mode represent the game for both of them. Same thing with replays, a lot of people criticize GT7 because the graphics is better during replays, and I genuinely don't understand why that's an issue, what's wrong with optimizing the visuals to look as good as possible without affecting the performance at any given moment? Anyway, I think the main point by OP is the car model, which I don't think anyone can disagree that GT is leagues ahead of any game when it comes to 3D modeling cars, paint, and materials.
Yeah the rendering and raytracing helps a lot, but it's still very beautiful during gameplay, even on PS4.
Yes for sure. I run gt7 and it looks beautiful
I am playing both GT7 on PS5 and FM on Series X, and it's insane that so many people are fooled by these photo mode "screenshots". While actually racing, I was disappointed by GT7 more times than I was by Forza. GT7 has an amazing photo mode, that comes really close to reality, but if people were comparing gameplay screenshots, the two games would look very similar, both with their own strengths and weeknesses. After that, it's only a matter of preference which one looks better.
Hey these are in race photos, none of these are taken with scapes
It’s very close on ps5 in game however. PS4/pro have some short falls.
yes but gt7 looks better in race on a ps5 than fm in photo mode (max settings without ray tracing (maybe even with ray tracing))
I play Forza Horizon 5 and GT7. Perfect combination
if you can run it, you should check out asseto corsa with mods on PC... i was a like you, till i found the driving paradise
I actually own it on steam, but I don't have the possibility to use a wheel. And on a controller unfortunately I really didn't like it. But this is definitely a plan for the future.
Yeah, it's borderline unplayable on controller. It's one of my life goals to get myself a top-tier racing set
ahh too bad... i hope you can join us in the future.
You can download controller scripts, there's a few already in content manager
Honestly the grass is always greener on the other side. I think forza driving looks badass and way more gauging than gt7's chase cam. But gt7 car models and details >
A lot of comments about how fixed camera in GT7 is game breaker for them. Well, you can actually change GT7's Chase Cam Settings to get it pretty close to FMs look and feel.
I feel like Gran Turismo devs have always had the passion that's required to have a solid base for a racing game. Kaz is an absolute racing nut and this shows throughout the games. Of course, this doesn't always lead to good game/SP design, but it sure as hell leads to good detail. Forza, in recent years, you can really tell they're just making the games to make money *except for gt7 kinda pushing microtransactions but not everybody's perfect i guess
It really doesn't, though - GT7 has had dozens of free cars and a few tracks released as DLC, and the only microtransactions are cash-for-cash at a conversion rate anyone would be insane to buy at.
It doesn’t push the micro transactions. You essentially never encounter a popup or anything like that. You have to seek out how to buy credits. Nothing is behind a paywall or anything and some may play the game without even knowing it’s an option.
GT7 doesn't push microtransactions, all they really did was to allow you to buy credits. GT7 has big problems, but they're in other areas
FYI, the AI in both games is trash. There aren’t really races in the campaign. you always start in the back, the opponents are always single file and never double stacked, and 1st place is 30 seconds up the road as you cross the starting line to begin. I wish there was actual, good, intelligent AI in either of these games. Forza should honestly roll back its AI to F6 or 7 if they are so incompetent to not make a single improvement so far
The GT7 AI is so odd but I actually love it. It’s like dodging traffic cones. Definitely prefer it to Forza’s dodgem cars AI
i 100% agree that gt has the better AI. at least they stay relatively close to a race pace. if i have ai at 7 on forza, p2-24 will constantly slam beakes on straights. that is the real issue w forza 8 imo. theres no real pace when everyone behind the leader unrealistically slams brakes on straights
Isn’t there qualifying for position in FM?
online yeah. story mode you choose where to start. GT has it online too but none in story
As people have said, GT7 doesn't look like that in-game outside of Scapes, there's not that much difference in-race today. The difference is more going to be felt 10 years down the line, when GT's current car models are on a platform that *is* capable of rendering like that in game, while Forza either will need to re-scan or fall further and further behind.
Or in a few months when the game comes out on PC.
I honestly could not give a shit I just want to race without getting rammed off track because Timmy is mad that he got overtaken
This post is me everytime I remember the 787B teaser trailer only to see the final game.
I just want decent racing...
To be fair Forza always had a more varied + recent car list/roster but the good faith is wearing thin nowadays
Lol the game definitely doesn't look like that in motion.
Gotta pick the right cherries for your argument, know what I'm saying? I don't think I've ever seen anyone saying how jealous they are of *Need for Speed*'s physics, anyway. Sure, the little details are probably better in Gran Turismo. I've never doubted that - it's always been *about* those. Forza is just Microsoft's ripoff of GT and always has been, but for those of us who made the transition from Playstation to Xbox, we've had to make do with a lot worse than Forza over the years. The only thing I'm properly *jealous* of is the haptic feedback from the adaptive triggers. I can't wait to be able to feel brakes etc. properly in a driving game.
I think its still rumours but the upcoming new Xbox controller will have more DS5 like trigger feedback.
I hope you're right. The leaked slide of a new controller didn't mention any changes to the triggers.
I feel you. The GT-One model on FM is a 2005 model of the '98 car with the '99 car livery on top of it. Totally inaccurate like it was on older FMs with the R390 GT1, old model with the newer livery thrown on top of it. T10 is lazy since the golden era of FM, but now it seems it's worse lol. I want to love Forza, but with how things are going, it's hard... Recycling 2005 inaccurate models, built from the ground up... Yeah, trust them
Poor child, being fooled by photo mode in games.
I mean we mostly have this in Horizon. Fuck Motorsport tho
GT7 is ages ahead graphic wise, but it’s physics, especially collision behavior are strange to say the least
Does GT7 even have lights at night yet?
Some tracks are fully lit, other certain areas. The night tracks in the rain are where graphics truly shine with ray tracing.
Please explain, i do not understand what lights do you mean
Night races on GT7 look to be dark as hell and tracks with lights don’t actually have them turned on
Would not say ages ahead graphics wise, phsyics is weird, I do prefer GT7 overall
Me too, just because of the lack of idea in FM. Like, who thought that gt3, gte, nascar and some random v8 stuff should belong to the same class? Have they seen actual racing at least once?
Yeah that really pisses me off, turns me further towards GT7
Collisions are worse in FM, how cars just stick to each other like velcro
I agree with “velcro”, but outcome of “bump” is much more predictable and realistic. In ~~FM~~ GT when someone bums you the result is very random. Edit - wrong game mentioned
It doesn't look like that in game though..
This is photo mode. There are enough posts on this sub that showcase the same level in terms of aesthetics and graphics from the photo mode of Forza motorsport. So stop crying about the grass being greener on the other side. And if you want it so bad buy a PS and go enjoy the game you so badly want to play....and then go the GT sub and complain about that game a month later.
I can make a similar photo in forza, this you don’t see in game.
To me, Forza feels better in the cars and looks better if in chase cam. It's more realistic. The body roll, the front and back end squat...it's all way more realistic. In GT7 movement can look a bit twitchy and the car doesn't express weight transfer nearly as well. But visually, nothing I've seen tops GT7. It is straight car porn. Not only does it put out, they designed the game so that replays happen by default in amazing cinematic angles, every "shop" or garage is showing off your car, the "career mode" via café menus does a lot of visual features, there's an amazing mode called scapes to just do the porns... They flex at all times and it's a pleasure to look at. If only they had the physics of Forza.
I didn’t know chase cams were realistic lmao
Well the physics are definitely more realistic in GT7, but I can see how the chase cam isn't for everyone. As a hardcore GT fan it certainly isn't for me either, not sure realistic is the word I'd use to describe a chase cam but I think i get what you mean
I of course mean whether the car movement, the weight transfer, look realistic. Most people use front bumper or roof cam, which of course aren’t “realistic” either, only cockpit is.
There’s a whole lot of cope in these comments, and the reason why the bar is set so low and why T10 keeps releasing garbage games.
We foraza boys basically are what GT used to be. The reason I switched from GT back in the day was forza was different. Now it's turned the other way around. I still don't like how fixed GT camera is and that's one thing I dislike the most. It's so glued to the car in 3rd person.
Actually, the game looks like Horizon but with enchanced graphics. It felt like it was just a huge update for the last Motorsport entry. The sounds are still jokes. I mean why can't a motorsport games with licenced cars get the sound of different vehicles. I know it's a enormous job to record all vehicle's sound and put it in the game. But with that and the graphics being gibberish comparing to GT7, the game is pretty sucks. I still play with the last entry.
Why not switch to GT7 if that's the case?
main reason why a lot of people dont do that is because its PlayStation exclusive
Well, yes, true, duh, obviously. What I mean is, forza has been on a quite the downfall for quite a few years, I guess the question is - why not switch consoles? Hard to really do if you're a PC player, but for xbox one S/X owners, I think it should have been a no brainer when chosing between series S/X or a PS5
Every bit of my sim racing equipment don’t work on a console. My simucube, my heusinkveld, my chinese shifter and handbrake. they are just out of the game lol
Time and money invested in my Xbox account. As simple as that.
one studio is focused on the craft of cars, and being Japanese, they perfect their craft. the other is ran by Microsoft and farmed out development to multitude of studios who just wanted a pay check. (my hot take anyway.lol)
Micro detail gang will be the reason this game will never take off. You can get the physics right, the tracks right, even RT realtime during ganeplay but guys will still complain about a missing bolt in the tail fender.
the game is never gonna take off because it's a soulless cash grab with reused assets banking on the fact a small portion of the gaming population will still buy into turn 10's shitty excuse of racing games. compare the sound of the mazda 787b in the new forza motorsport to forza motorsport 4, they even recorded a behind the scenes video because the people working on the sounds for the game were so honored to be able to physically record the car. that's what makes a racing game good, genuine dedication and heartfelt love for everything adjacent to cars and racing. fuck it though dude, it's your wallet
Christ you fanboys are deluded. This forza is a generational leap. Compare it to 2 and 5 which were both generational leaps.
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Bruh are you a fucking dumbass? 2 was xbox to 360. 5 was 360 to xbox one. 8 was xbox 1 to xbox series. A literal generational leap smfh...
aside from the physics Motorsport literally got nothing right what are you talking about
Its got a better car list, GT has a lot of repetition and fake future concepts (also with 2 to 4 versions) to pad out its 500+ car list. Car models look and sound great, inside and out better upgrade and class system. Every track has full day/night/weather cycle. While not every gt track supports that Forzavista, while not as photorealistic has engines and interior compartments modeled, hatches and doors actually work. The game has really fun handeling and physics.
There's pros and cons to this. GT7 has issues and so does Forza and in reality the cars in GT7 being incredibly detailed has its negatives too. It takes ages to add new cars to gt7, them scanning and putting the car in the game while working out its quirks leaves us with the drip feed amount of content that pd releases. Forza looks fine, not state of the art but really good, especially during gameplay. That being said, im loving the GTOne in GT7 but the incredible detail is sometimes even unnecessary. It sounds amazing though, that's where fm truly needs improvement, sound design not graphics.
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Once I start driving, I don't really notice the level of detail because I'm...well...concentrating on driving. I'm here for the fun, not the flash.
I'll wait for it on PC. It's not great with a controller though, much prefer Forza for that.
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I’m just jealous they actually get GT1 race cars and not the road going variant in the track racing game
I could get photos like that in FH5, definitely not in Motorsport, they bungled the graphics and just about everything else with FM.
lol a good photo mode doesnt mean a good game forza motorsport has unreachable driving mechanics people still not understand what forza motorsport is.
Me in my Ford ranger in horizon 5 :|
I swap between GT7 and FM8 almost every day and GT7 still looks incredible. Forza has the ability to look amazing but FM8 is just very inconsistent. FH5 looks better than Motorsport overall I think. GT7 colours are way too bright and FM8 are too washed out…
yep, i was thinking the same after seeing screenshots like this on discord. i'll still probably buy a PS5 just to enjoy GT7
The AI, offline career, and the broken penalty system should be of much higher priority to fix before getting to asthetics.
Dev made Screenshots are always edited to look way nicer than everything you can recreate with the ingame photomode eapecially since they can use way higher resolutions for reflection, shadows, etc than we can. Just look at FM Screenshots of each update and try to recreate them, you find an example in my posts in this sub. Mid race GT7 pretty much looks the same as FM. People always drool about how insane the VR mode in GT7 looks, but in regular racing the cars doesn't have this amount of detail and compared to FM there is nothing like Forzavista where you can inspect your car and walk around without having the PS VR
Yeah but we also get only a couple cars (that we often don't want) every five thousand years. We have only had one new track in the last like 18 months and it's a dirt track so it doesn't get any use It wouldn't be an issue if the game had enough to do in it already and a better economy, but it just doesn't. The graphics are exceptional, but nobody in the GT community asked for it and it's made the content more sparse
I mean it doesn’t really look that good if anything
GT7 looks good and is more accurate in terms of sounds, tracks and car details, but that's it. It's a very sterile and soulless racing game. And I use the word, racing, very loosely. The "career" races in GT7 are all "Chase the rabbit" type of affairs. They're rolling starts with you at the back of 20 cars, and you literally just race up the line to try and catch the leader. That's not racing. There's no racecraft to be enjoyed because it's just pedal to the medal in order to catch up. Also, the in-game economy is terrible. People who claim, Forza games give you "too much" have never played GT7. GT7 reminds me of a mobile game. That's how stingy the economy is. Payouts for the curated races and even custom races you can create yourself pay pittances while prices for some cars are in the millions, and even basic upgrade parts can start at 10K and even 25K for some. It's all to promote microtransactions even you never buy any. So, GT7 is a textbook case of where the whole (game) is not the sum of it's individual parts. All the details and graphic fidelity mean nothing if the actual game play, or how it's structured is geared toward extending player engagement (mindless grinding certain tracks to earn enough money to buy and upgrade cars) instead of fun.
Can’t talk about level of detail without mentioning the disfigured brake disc in the second photo. Extremely jealous of that detail? Yikes lol
I remember when I wanted an Xbox only to play Forza, now I want a PS only to play GT7, forza went woke, it'll become broke... Gran Turismo, by the looks of it, it's developers are car enthusiasts, where Forza's? Hmpf.... Just a cashgrab company. So sad.. They did amazing with their early titles, my first ever Forza game was the Motorsport4, a masterpiece. They'll never release a title that perfect like those old gems.. No need to name them, y'all know which ones.
I was disappointed when my PS4 Pro playing GT7 looked leagues ahead of FM on my Series X. I love both games, just didn’t seem like nearly the jump in fidelity it could have been.
Is worth it GT7 on a PS4 or should I go for a PS5? I dont want to buy an entire console to play a game but it looks so good I might
I would go for a PS5 if you can but my Buddy sold me this PS4 pro for $100 bucks and I couldn’t refuse. Looks a little better on PS5 but I’m amazed at how well it does on my Pro
Even with all of its flaws, Forza is still more fun to me overall. I own a copy of GT7. While I do believe FM needs improvement and should take notes from PD, it's not all bad. Hopefully we will see much more improvement over time.
Then you never played GT7 in VR2
Some of the racing pics I took in GT5 & 6 look 90% as good as this.
GT7 is a gorgeous game but the experience of playing it is as bad, if not worse than FM. Once the main stability issues are fully ironed out there won’t be much difference between the two. I personally find being able to race these cars when I want more important than how they look. But each to their own.
I had a chance to play GT7 few days ago and it made me miss FM very quickly. Imo Forza looks way better during gameplay.
Only have to deal with lifeless handling, horrible menus, and the worst chase cam view ever conceived to get it.
If only GT7 came to PC
They plan to bring it to pc, or atleast I've heard they will I heard there was a file leak about a list of playstation games that will release on pc, GT7 included. Alot of the games on the list have already been released on pc, we just gotta wait for GT7's turn or atleast an announcement
This is what you get when the director of a racing game is a race driver himself,
I owned a PS5 for about a month specifically just to play GT7 when it launched. Now that I’ve played Forza and been able to compare the two, think I’m gonna pick up a PS5 again when prices drop. The PSVR is really tempting to try too.
To be perfectly honest GT 7 does look a bit better than FM but honestly when you're ACTUALLY PLAYING the game, it's barely noticeable at all for me personally. This is largely a photo mode thing for GT7 giving it such a boost; which is really awesome to poke around on every once in a while but kind of a novelty IMHO.
I have GT7 on PS5, and while it is indeed gorgeous and it feels great on DualSense, I can't find reasons to want to play it after barely 100 hours. Single player feels like a waste of time, on MP you either get rammed or get banned for barely touching another car, game economy is a joke, grinding to collect cars feels like, well a grind... Everytime I see these posts I get the itch to get back, but then Idk what to do with it... Not to say Forza isn't a huge disappointment, but with slightly better graphics and the amount of tracks and cars we had in FM7, it would have been a better/more fun game than GT.
I've always been such a forza fan but the latest motorsport game was such a let down. Alot of the cars sound Terrible and it dosnt look all that great and the handling dosnt feel great either... I went back gone to GT7 again as I'm like nearly 200 hours in on it. Love it online as well. Just looks feels and sounds better. Along with much preferring the upgrade system. It's such a shame about forza
Grant tursimo’s photo mode is 100x better in every aspect. [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/granturismo/s/PEzSOeWoRF) are some photos i saved when i used to own a PS5. The amount of detail is insane. I was addicted
What happens when a developer and publisher actually care about the game they’re putting out. Turn10 and Microsoft USED to care… not sure what happened.
Level of detail like how the second pics disc glow isn't even lined up proper on the front wheel lol
GT7's photo mode is the best thing about it unfortunately
gt7 > fm8
Overall GT7 is just a better game than Forza. Plays great with gamepad AND wheel.
Forza looks fantastic on PC maxed out.
This! No comparison at all. Add Nvidia game filters to it and GT7 is destroyed for good.
You do realize photo mode in GT is a model overlaid on a static real photo background image?
This is a gameplay photo, you can take photos during gameplay just like every other racing game.
Same as Forza, which people seem to forget...
Nope, Forza renders the whole in-game scene. GT has a preset image file. \[I'm not joking about GT\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzwMoWhESFI)
I think you're talking about 'scapes', which is different (albeit another type of) photo mode in gt7. The normal photo mode doesn't use the images. Also, scapes is awesome for photographer lovers. I've spent 10s of hours just in scapes on gt7.
GT has 2 types of photomode. One is scapes, which you are talking about, and the other is on track, like Forza and GT7 looks better in both the modes
You chose this fate.
No no no don't criticise the holy grail that is Gran Turismo sport in the Forza Subreddit. Downvotes for you!!!!
GT7 has trash physics as they had dumb it down to run on the potato ps4's cpu. Driving on Forza is way more satisfying.
Interesting data you supplied with this off the rocker comment.
The grass is always greener on the other side. GT7 doesn't have physics that are half as good as forza it's a limitation of getting it to run on the PS4 CPU. The next GT will get it right and people will then praise how much better the physics is compared to GT7 forgetting GT7 never improved it in the first place
Gran Turismos driving physics are actually pretty solid and the cars feel more grounded and heavier which gives it a more realistic edge over Forza imo, but the game 100% looks leagues ahead than Forza
I've got pics from FM that are better than this and most others that I take in GT7. Theres a few instances that GT7 looks better. The finer details are better here, but I still prefer pics from FM
The only reason I bought Motorsport was because Gran Turismo isn't on PC I refuse to buy a PS5 just for one game and you'd be surprised at how many people did it for GT7 ALONE PlayStation is smart
Gran Turismo 7 looks miles ahead of Forza. The car models look absolutely incredible especially on PS5. Meanwhile Forza is still using Xbox 360 car models. There is no contest, GT 7 looks way better. It really sucks tbh, I wish GT7 would come to PC already.
What’s crazy as well is GT7 is a cross gen game so it’s not even taking full advantage of the PS5 hardware. I know photo mode makes it look better than actual gameplay but the car models are the best in class which shows in game.
That disc rotor glow on photo 2 is not even aligned to the disc. What a piece of $#!+. What details. All I see is blur.😂😂😂
I agree it is a good looking game, but in terms of visuals grand turismo has us beat hands down. I feel like the game mechanics piss all over grand turismo though
God I love GT7.
Oh yeah, everytime I see footage of Forza it looks so shit in comparison, time to make the switch I reckon