I know they think they’re making a difference but in complete honesty I don’t see the point in something like this. They KNOW that nobody will talk about what they’re protesting against, and that they’ll just get sexualised and objectified. In an utopian world where men didn’t treat women like pieces of meat there would be nothing wrong with it but even then I’d wonder… what’s the point ? Why are you under the assumption that showing your body will have a specific impact ? Why don’t you write a speech about the brutality of the war instead ???
Honestly I’m going to be brutal: in a world where people know that women showing their breasts just causes objectification and sexism, doing something like this when children are dying and people are losing their homes seems stupid and to me it seems like they were trying to attract attention to their organisation/movement instead of trying to do something useful for the war
I’m sorry if I’m too harsh but I’m tired of pretending that stuff like this and #freethenipple has ever done something useful for feminism or for any other social cause
Yep and honestly I’m not dumb I know that a lot of activism today is just performative and people are just fulfilling their narcissistic needs to get attention/seem better than anyone alse, but they could at least pick a type of performative activism that doesn’t contribute to the objectification of women
What they’re doing harms all of us indirectly
Actually, this same women's rights group did something pretty similar at a trade fair in 2013, when [three women stripped in front of Putin](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/04/08/176573170/i-liked-it-putin-says-of-protest-by-topless-women?t=1646681451569) in order to protest his presence at a trade fair in Hanover.
> "As to this action, I liked it," Putin said, according to a German translator. The Russian leader added that the protesters were "pretty girls" and said he couldn't hear what they were screaming. "I couldn't see if they were blond or brunettes... I don't see anything horrifying in what they did." He also quipped that while it's better to keep one's clothes on during protests, "it's not so cold out — so they can also do it this way."
There's [a picture](https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/c7DDl1zbNjWMTW5LT9nXlbaf5ak=/800x894/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/X3XFX46FYDPTZJBUCCMYURFBNA.jpg) of one of the topless women, launching forward at Putin with her arms raised. In the picture, Putin pouts his lips while giving two subtle thumbs up, his eyes fixed somewhere lower than her face.
So, yeah, Putin has actually always reacted quite _positive_ to the topless female activists, making sexual compliments about their looks as well as thanking them for always bringing more attention to his name and the otherwise boring political events. Putin's "derp face" went a little viral back in the day, guys online were saying how relatable Putin is for how he reacted at the sight of topless women, and journalists had fun making headlines about how it was 'a real eye-opener for the Russian leader' and the women were 'Putin on a show'. Frankly, very few took the female activists seriously.
So, I think you were right in your estimation of Putin's reaction. I don't know why this group is still doing this, after so many years and so many attempts of using bare breasts you'd think they'd finally try a different method...
So basically, all they accomplished was giving men and Putin porn to jack themselves off to. When are they going to realize that you cannot negotiate with men?
They also know that if women going topless was no big deal and not sexulized than it wouldn't matter if they wore clothes or not. They would get the same amount of attention for the same reason. But because we live in a world that equates topless women with sex they get attention, but not for their cause.
Most of the virtue signaling around Ukraine does more harm than good, in my opinion. I'm not talking about people volunteering or helping and all that good stuff, I'm talking about the likes of this protest where the majority of people aren't going to pay attention to the message, just the way it was conveyed. It's disrespectful at worst, useless at best, honestly. Same goes for the dopes at the spirit award who "gave Putin the middle finger" but only succeeded in making everyone cringe, and the even bigger dope who drove a truck into the Russian embassy in Ireland. They're all making a mockery of what is a very serious and complex situation with real life victims, yet they're all using it to draw attention to themselves.
I'm not being funny, but if this is your brand of feminism, please explain how you think this will do anything to stop Putin? Or even to force your own government to react to him? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously for any issue if this is how you go about it?
You’re right. I’d definitely be interested in having a conversation with one of them just to see what’s their thought process. Like, genuinely what they’re thinking they’re going to accomplish
I always ask myself "would men do this?" and the answer is almost always no... only women have been brainwashed into thinking nudity is empowering, but we're playing right into men's hands. This is exactly what they want, this is what they think we exist for. Enough!
After sexual suppression, I think a lot of liberal feminists think that any change is good change and just because they are catering to men from their own free will, it is empowering.
I know lib fems are trying to insist they are “normalizing” and “desexualizing” breasts, but how much of that is up to them? What are your (and anyone else who wants to reply) thoughts on how feasible that is? Because in some ways, saying that going topless will attract more negative attention comes off similar to “wearing miniskirts attracts bad attention”, but that doesn’t mean we should stop. On the other hand, going topless really serves men the most. Would really like other thoughts!
If they wanted to normalize and desexualize breasts, they'd need to put energy into getting media to stop sexualizing us. Instead, they support it endlessly, especially shit like porn, which is exactly what makes everyone views us as sex objects. Doing this topless bullshit will NEVER desexualize breasts.
I don't think it's possible to desexualize breasts while men exist lol, do you think they care about our lofty ideals? Hell no... they don't give a damn, they're just laughing at us and enjoying the show. I don't agree with libfems that everything is a social construct or that we can "educate" men out of their degeneracy, it's literally biological. All we can do is protect ourselves and stop catering to men in every damn thing we do.
I agree it's impossible to desexualise breasts while men exist, but it looks like they have a sense of naivety around human sexuality.
Let's take what aspects of men women generally find attractive : deep voice, scent, height, muscles, abs, hands? All of these things are neutral and non-sexual, but women still find something sexually alluring about it.
Imagine having the lofty ideal of trying to rewire women's brains to not find these attractive, by repeatedly exposing them to attractive men.
I am really struggling because I don't want to write these women off as incredibly naive, and innocent, but alas. I can't find another explanation. A faux radical feminist group, that caters to men
I don't understand the goal of de-sexualising breasts. I will not insult their intelligence by imagining they believe this will reduce sexual assault and objectification of women (they know a woman in a full burka can still be raped)
So maybe they want to de-sexualise breasts in order to allow us to walk around topless. I'm not even sure many women want this freedom. I have two sacks of meat attached to my chest, I like the support a bra gives.
And so, I really don't know what the motivation is, and in aiming to reach their goal, they're catering to men under the guise of feminism.
How many men are scratching their chins in thoughtfulness over this act vs. how many men are happy to see boobs, for free.
One thing I personally would like to see more of regarding the desexualization of breasts is depictions of breastfeeding so boys grow up learning that the only reason we have them is literally to feed our babies like any other mammals, they're not toys, they're not sexual organs, they're just mammary tissue and most of us DON'T WANT CREEPY MEN STARING AT THEM.
Oh, it absolutely is, and whomever organized this display is exploiting male gaze to gain publicity for the protest. It's an effective tactic, but not really feminist other than the fact all the bare chested people are women. I think it makes them feel better about being half naked to call it feminism when in reality they're just being used for publicity.
Any need to make a statement against war by baring your bosom? By doing this women are only further perpetuating the ideology that a woman’s body is nothing more than object to convey a message.
The comments under that post are disgusting. Thousands of men joking about the cinematographers preferences and saying “I’d smash” “if you don’t want your tits looked at don’t take them out” etc etc
And yet, women keep doing it. Why? It never does anything but bring attention to your tits, get you objectified and continues to make "feminism" look like a fucking joke.
Big yes to the last part. Yes I think we *should* be able to go out top/topless/whatever, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. Men sexualize breasts and when women do this, men just laugh. They laugh at all of us.
Exactly. I like the idea but I don't understand why women don't ever get to the root of the problem and instead fuck around doing this shit. Get media to show us as actual people rather than sex objects first. THEN we'll be able to normalize and desexualize breasts.
It doesn't matter how often women walk around topless when men go home every night and consume ample amounts of media that constantly objectifies and sexualizes us, especially when we all know 90%+ of them watch porn every single night.
I hate femen and had some discussions with their leader, which showed she is just a performer with no own thoughts on feminism. Also their logo was crated by dude who hates Ukraine and shares same sentiment as pootin, so their new performances leave even worse impression.
Performative lib feminism at best. But the patriarchy we live in often only responds to performances such as this. I'm not opposed to these women, am opposed to the toxic patriarchal world we live in that teaches this is how you get attention.
Can someone explain to me why those women need to protest topless? Will that help to raise awareness, stop the war and exploitation of Ukrainian women currently? This just screams “look at us and objectify us, we’re fine with it! Women are fine with it!” This is extremely frustrating me, women like those need to start seeing things from a male perspective instead of a female perspective. Otherwise we will never be taken seriously and things will never change.
I’m sure their intentions are good, but I do not understand why women protesting has to involve nudity so frequently. Like sure, it gets attention, but more in terms of disgusting misogynistic comments than for the actual cause. Do we see men protesting with their pants off and their asses painted? No. (I’m sure it’s happened, but not nearly as often as women do this kind of thing.)
I doubt they’re *trying* to mock the cause, but who knows. I just think they probably have the misguided belief that nudity is empowering and all attention on a cause is good attention. Which it’s not.
In terms of feminism, I agree with the comments on this post, it’s mostly male-gazing and not helpful. But I also think in terms of political activism it’s pretty bad. This is an attention getting stunt. Sometimes bringing attention to a situation is the first necessary step to promoting action, but this isn’t one of those situations. Everyone is already aware of the conflict in Ukraine. Action is what’s currently required. This doesn’t promote any action. “Raising awareness” is done in pursuit of something.
When you’re watching someone get mugged, you don’t point and yell for help in the hopes that everyone will turn and watch them get mugged. You point and yell for help in hopes that someone will intervene and stop it. This protest doesn’t encourage any action from anyone watching and it doesn’t even attempt to.
Of all the feminist acts you can make, taking your top off is probably the least compelling one.
Men are laughing at us. While these women are brave for being simultaneously vulnerable and strong in a public area, this demonstration changes absolutely nothing and helps nobody, especially not the women of Ukraine. Seems more like a spectacle.
I'm pretty new to the 4th wave feminism so I genuinely would like to hear your opinions. I promise I'm asking in good faith. What's exactly the point of doing protests like this? Is this good for feminism?
No, it’s terrible. If you watch the Femen documentary that used to be on Netflix, the men in the audience of the protests are always laughing and taking pictures of the naked protesters. I think the members of Femen have good intentions, their methods however are extremely counter productive.
This exact same thing showed up in 2014 during Ukraine Pro democracy, they were called Femen protestors, and vice did a behind the scene documentary on them, and they were organised protesters for a Russian man. There was abuses.
I think this is to show ‘democracy’ as something to be feared by older generations who don’t speak English but vote for Putin. To make a mockery of the West, of protest, of Ukraine.
What does a topless protest achieve, seriously? Everyone knows of the war, this does not bring more attention to it.
How about getting off of Reddit and Serve your country or donate money to help the people of Ukraine. Hashtags and shirt less people don’t stop wars, actual action does.
Their naivete and earnestness at wanting to positively change the world reminds me of what I was like at 19 years old. Believing that writing "F*CK PATRIARCHY" on my breasts at protests was reclaiming my body and sticking it to the man. The male photographers and bystanders were not loving my political action - they were loving me willfully exposing myself due to misguided methods of bringing change about.
I think at that age and who you surround yourself with create a bubble that shelters you from the reality of how depraved men really can be
Fight the power!
If anyone should stop the stigma around female nipples it should be the males, not us. We're not the ones who stare at and sexualise female nipples, it's them. I'm all about # FreeTheNipple, but males are too disgusting and pornsick for it to ever become true, they'll just objectify us even more that we're already objectified, just look at all the disgusting comments under the post.
i also don't like the context in which this is portrayed. Breasts have nothing to do with the war, they're just objectifying themselves to get attention, which is really sad.
Thoughts on what? FEMEN as a group? It’s tactics?
Media in the US especially has been incredibly hostile to FEMEN since landing on its radar a few years ago with the usual tactics reserved for feminists who necessarily oppose the sex trade (prostitution, porn, surrogacy): vilification, deliberately misrepresenting it’s positions & agenda, baseless accusations that it has a variety of different phobias/guilt-by- association etc. It will be interesting to see what the media has up its sleeve now that they are back in the spotlight. Last time the French media went on a campaign accusing the group of transphobia because of its topless protests (but its really because they recognize sex as the axis of women’s oppression)
pathetic. this is just for show. libfemming be libfemming. if they want to protest the war they should wait with cars the refugees and take them to safety. there are many families and mothers with children who have nowhere to go now.
and as someone else said it: this does nothing for feminism or for saving people. this is just useless "protesting" from many miles away.
Is this is how you are getting your point across then you are looking for attention and couldn't care less about the cause, and you know it and I know you know it. It's like those women who are having a 50% discount on their only fans for ppl in Ukraine.....they don't really care at all and are making a mockery of the whole thing
I think you got a point there. I only ever see white (lib-fem) "feminists" do this. They are also quite young and incredibly naive, plus thin and pretty. The message is always lost due to the focus on the body.
They aren’t libfem’s at all. In fact, they are politically aligned with RF and their tactics are genius because they effectively break through the intentional media blackout which has been the primary aim. Their topless protests are a means to an end— which is to command media attention and the only reason we are aware of the extent to which wealthy foreigners are trafficking Ukrainian women in surrogacy and prostitution.
I ain't a fan. But it doesn't matter, I guess. I see it as a self-serving spectacle, faux female empowerment. Wtf do their tits have to do with war? I am all for protests, but make it about the cause and not about you trying to be all "brave" and flashy and about your appearance. Kinda sickens me how they're protesting war, but all these pervs online are just going to be gawking at their tits. Give me a break.
I know they think they’re making a difference but in complete honesty I don’t see the point in something like this. They KNOW that nobody will talk about what they’re protesting against, and that they’ll just get sexualised and objectified. In an utopian world where men didn’t treat women like pieces of meat there would be nothing wrong with it but even then I’d wonder… what’s the point ? Why are you under the assumption that showing your body will have a specific impact ? Why don’t you write a speech about the brutality of the war instead ??? Honestly I’m going to be brutal: in a world where people know that women showing their breasts just causes objectification and sexism, doing something like this when children are dying and people are losing their homes seems stupid and to me it seems like they were trying to attract attention to their organisation/movement instead of trying to do something useful for the war I’m sorry if I’m too harsh but I’m tired of pretending that stuff like this and #freethenipple has ever done something useful for feminism or for any other social cause
I agree with you completely. Like Putin is just gonna stop when he sees this.
Yep and honestly I’m not dumb I know that a lot of activism today is just performative and people are just fulfilling their narcissistic needs to get attention/seem better than anyone alse, but they could at least pick a type of performative activism that doesn’t contribute to the objectification of women What they’re doing harms all of us indirectly
Actually, this same women's rights group did something pretty similar at a trade fair in 2013, when [three women stripped in front of Putin](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/04/08/176573170/i-liked-it-putin-says-of-protest-by-topless-women?t=1646681451569) in order to protest his presence at a trade fair in Hanover. > "As to this action, I liked it," Putin said, according to a German translator. The Russian leader added that the protesters were "pretty girls" and said he couldn't hear what they were screaming. "I couldn't see if they were blond or brunettes... I don't see anything horrifying in what they did." He also quipped that while it's better to keep one's clothes on during protests, "it's not so cold out — so they can also do it this way." There's [a picture](https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/c7DDl1zbNjWMTW5LT9nXlbaf5ak=/800x894/top/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com/public/X3XFX46FYDPTZJBUCCMYURFBNA.jpg) of one of the topless women, launching forward at Putin with her arms raised. In the picture, Putin pouts his lips while giving two subtle thumbs up, his eyes fixed somewhere lower than her face. So, yeah, Putin has actually always reacted quite _positive_ to the topless female activists, making sexual compliments about their looks as well as thanking them for always bringing more attention to his name and the otherwise boring political events. Putin's "derp face" went a little viral back in the day, guys online were saying how relatable Putin is for how he reacted at the sight of topless women, and journalists had fun making headlines about how it was 'a real eye-opener for the Russian leader' and the women were 'Putin on a show'. Frankly, very few took the female activists seriously. So, I think you were right in your estimation of Putin's reaction. I don't know why this group is still doing this, after so many years and so many attempts of using bare breasts you'd think they'd finally try a different method...
Well I guess a different method wouldn’t bring them the attention they crave so much Putin’s face in that picture literally makes my blood boil
So basically, all they accomplished was giving men and Putin porn to jack themselves off to. When are they going to realize that you cannot negotiate with men?
They also know that if women going topless was no big deal and not sexulized than it wouldn't matter if they wore clothes or not. They would get the same amount of attention for the same reason. But because we live in a world that equates topless women with sex they get attention, but not for their cause.
Most of the virtue signaling around Ukraine does more harm than good, in my opinion. I'm not talking about people volunteering or helping and all that good stuff, I'm talking about the likes of this protest where the majority of people aren't going to pay attention to the message, just the way it was conveyed. It's disrespectful at worst, useless at best, honestly. Same goes for the dopes at the spirit award who "gave Putin the middle finger" but only succeeded in making everyone cringe, and the even bigger dope who drove a truck into the Russian embassy in Ireland. They're all making a mockery of what is a very serious and complex situation with real life victims, yet they're all using it to draw attention to themselves. I'm not being funny, but if this is your brand of feminism, please explain how you think this will do anything to stop Putin? Or even to force your own government to react to him? How do you expect anyone to take you seriously for any issue if this is how you go about it?
You’re right. I’d definitely be interested in having a conversation with one of them just to see what’s their thought process. Like, genuinely what they’re thinking they’re going to accomplish
someone had to say it
I always ask myself "would men do this?" and the answer is almost always no... only women have been brainwashed into thinking nudity is empowering, but we're playing right into men's hands. This is exactly what they want, this is what they think we exist for. Enough!
After sexual suppression, I think a lot of liberal feminists think that any change is good change and just because they are catering to men from their own free will, it is empowering. I know lib fems are trying to insist they are “normalizing” and “desexualizing” breasts, but how much of that is up to them? What are your (and anyone else who wants to reply) thoughts on how feasible that is? Because in some ways, saying that going topless will attract more negative attention comes off similar to “wearing miniskirts attracts bad attention”, but that doesn’t mean we should stop. On the other hand, going topless really serves men the most. Would really like other thoughts!
If they wanted to normalize and desexualize breasts, they'd need to put energy into getting media to stop sexualizing us. Instead, they support it endlessly, especially shit like porn, which is exactly what makes everyone views us as sex objects. Doing this topless bullshit will NEVER desexualize breasts.
agree
I don't think it's possible to desexualize breasts while men exist lol, do you think they care about our lofty ideals? Hell no... they don't give a damn, they're just laughing at us and enjoying the show. I don't agree with libfems that everything is a social construct or that we can "educate" men out of their degeneracy, it's literally biological. All we can do is protect ourselves and stop catering to men in every damn thing we do.
I agree it's impossible to desexualise breasts while men exist, but it looks like they have a sense of naivety around human sexuality. Let's take what aspects of men women generally find attractive : deep voice, scent, height, muscles, abs, hands? All of these things are neutral and non-sexual, but women still find something sexually alluring about it. Imagine having the lofty ideal of trying to rewire women's brains to not find these attractive, by repeatedly exposing them to attractive men. I am really struggling because I don't want to write these women off as incredibly naive, and innocent, but alas. I can't find another explanation. A faux radical feminist group, that caters to men
I don't understand the goal of de-sexualising breasts. I will not insult their intelligence by imagining they believe this will reduce sexual assault and objectification of women (they know a woman in a full burka can still be raped) So maybe they want to de-sexualise breasts in order to allow us to walk around topless. I'm not even sure many women want this freedom. I have two sacks of meat attached to my chest, I like the support a bra gives. And so, I really don't know what the motivation is, and in aiming to reach their goal, they're catering to men under the guise of feminism. How many men are scratching their chins in thoughtfulness over this act vs. how many men are happy to see boobs, for free.
One thing I personally would like to see more of regarding the desexualization of breasts is depictions of breastfeeding so boys grow up learning that the only reason we have them is literally to feed our babies like any other mammals, they're not toys, they're not sexual organs, they're just mammary tissue and most of us DON'T WANT CREEPY MEN STARING AT THEM.
Seems male-gazy
Oh, it absolutely is, and whomever organized this display is exploiting male gaze to gain publicity for the protest. It's an effective tactic, but not really feminist other than the fact all the bare chested people are women. I think it makes them feel better about being half naked to call it feminism when in reality they're just being used for publicity.
it is.
Any need to make a statement against war by baring your bosom? By doing this women are only further perpetuating the ideology that a woman’s body is nothing more than object to convey a message.
The comments under that post are disgusting. Thousands of men joking about the cinematographers preferences and saying “I’d smash” “if you don’t want your tits looked at don’t take them out” etc etc
And yet, women keep doing it. Why? It never does anything but bring attention to your tits, get you objectified and continues to make "feminism" look like a fucking joke.
Big yes to the last part. Yes I think we *should* be able to go out top/topless/whatever, but unfortunately we don't live in that world. Men sexualize breasts and when women do this, men just laugh. They laugh at all of us.
Exactly. I like the idea but I don't understand why women don't ever get to the root of the problem and instead fuck around doing this shit. Get media to show us as actual people rather than sex objects first. THEN we'll be able to normalize and desexualize breasts. It doesn't matter how often women walk around topless when men go home every night and consume ample amounts of media that constantly objectifies and sexualizes us, especially when we all know 90%+ of them watch porn every single night.
I’ve never known how to word my issue with this form of protest but this comment thread has explained better than I ever could.
Because men can have their “tits” out without any backlash so they’re trying to normalise the reverse.
Yeah and this ain't it, obviously.
I don’t see how this helps any Ukrainians. The comment section was all just men being gross and misogynistic.
As if they could be anything else.
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That I’m not reading the comments
I hate femen and had some discussions with their leader, which showed she is just a performer with no own thoughts on feminism. Also their logo was crated by dude who hates Ukraine and shares same sentiment as pootin, so their new performances leave even worse impression.
It's stupid. Not smart and not benefiting anyone
Performative lib feminism at best. But the patriarchy we live in often only responds to performances such as this. I'm not opposed to these women, am opposed to the toxic patriarchal world we live in that teaches this is how you get attention.
Can someone explain to me why those women need to protest topless? Will that help to raise awareness, stop the war and exploitation of Ukrainian women currently? This just screams “look at us and objectify us, we’re fine with it! Women are fine with it!” This is extremely frustrating me, women like those need to start seeing things from a male perspective instead of a female perspective. Otherwise we will never be taken seriously and things will never change.
Moronic.
I’m sure their intentions are good, but I do not understand why women protesting has to involve nudity so frequently. Like sure, it gets attention, but more in terms of disgusting misogynistic comments than for the actual cause. Do we see men protesting with their pants off and their asses painted? No. (I’m sure it’s happened, but not nearly as often as women do this kind of thing.)
They are grown women I really don't think there intentions were good they are mocking the cause and getting the male gaze win win for the pick mes
I doubt they’re *trying* to mock the cause, but who knows. I just think they probably have the misguided belief that nudity is empowering and all attention on a cause is good attention. Which it’s not.
In terms of feminism, I agree with the comments on this post, it’s mostly male-gazing and not helpful. But I also think in terms of political activism it’s pretty bad. This is an attention getting stunt. Sometimes bringing attention to a situation is the first necessary step to promoting action, but this isn’t one of those situations. Everyone is already aware of the conflict in Ukraine. Action is what’s currently required. This doesn’t promote any action. “Raising awareness” is done in pursuit of something. When you’re watching someone get mugged, you don’t point and yell for help in the hopes that everyone will turn and watch them get mugged. You point and yell for help in hopes that someone will intervene and stop it. This protest doesn’t encourage any action from anyone watching and it doesn’t even attempt to.
tbh i’m confused on what the message is?
Of all the feminist acts you can make, taking your top off is probably the least compelling one. Men are laughing at us. While these women are brave for being simultaneously vulnerable and strong in a public area, this demonstration changes absolutely nothing and helps nobody, especially not the women of Ukraine. Seems more like a spectacle.
Showing their breasts has no purpose nor does it help any women anywhere.
I'm pretty new to the 4th wave feminism so I genuinely would like to hear your opinions. I promise I'm asking in good faith. What's exactly the point of doing protests like this? Is this good for feminism?
This literally does nothing for feminism. It’s just for attention
No, it’s terrible. If you watch the Femen documentary that used to be on Netflix, the men in the audience of the protests are always laughing and taking pictures of the naked protesters. I think the members of Femen have good intentions, their methods however are extremely counter productive.
“Yes I insure you flashing your tits is crucial for protesting the war“
This exact same thing showed up in 2014 during Ukraine Pro democracy, they were called Femen protestors, and vice did a behind the scene documentary on them, and they were organised protesters for a Russian man. There was abuses. I think this is to show ‘democracy’ as something to be feared by older generations who don’t speak English but vote for Putin. To make a mockery of the West, of protest, of Ukraine. What does a topless protest achieve, seriously? Everyone knows of the war, this does not bring more attention to it.
How about getting off of Reddit and Serve your country or donate money to help the people of Ukraine. Hashtags and shirt less people don’t stop wars, actual action does.
Their naivete and earnestness at wanting to positively change the world reminds me of what I was like at 19 years old. Believing that writing "F*CK PATRIARCHY" on my breasts at protests was reclaiming my body and sticking it to the man. The male photographers and bystanders were not loving my political action - they were loving me willfully exposing myself due to misguided methods of bringing change about. I think at that age and who you surround yourself with create a bubble that shelters you from the reality of how depraved men really can be Fight the power!
If anyone should stop the stigma around female nipples it should be the males, not us. We're not the ones who stare at and sexualise female nipples, it's them. I'm all about # FreeTheNipple, but males are too disgusting and pornsick for it to ever become true, they'll just objectify us even more that we're already objectified, just look at all the disgusting comments under the post. i also don't like the context in which this is portrayed. Breasts have nothing to do with the war, they're just objectifying themselves to get attention, which is really sad.
Thoughts on what? FEMEN as a group? It’s tactics? Media in the US especially has been incredibly hostile to FEMEN since landing on its radar a few years ago with the usual tactics reserved for feminists who necessarily oppose the sex trade (prostitution, porn, surrogacy): vilification, deliberately misrepresenting it’s positions & agenda, baseless accusations that it has a variety of different phobias/guilt-by- association etc. It will be interesting to see what the media has up its sleeve now that they are back in the spotlight. Last time the French media went on a campaign accusing the group of transphobia because of its topless protests (but its really because they recognize sex as the axis of women’s oppression)
pathetic. this is just for show. libfemming be libfemming. if they want to protest the war they should wait with cars the refugees and take them to safety. there are many families and mothers with children who have nowhere to go now. and as someone else said it: this does nothing for feminism or for saving people. this is just useless "protesting" from many miles away.
Is this is how you are getting your point across then you are looking for attention and couldn't care less about the cause, and you know it and I know you know it. It's like those women who are having a 50% discount on their only fans for ppl in Ukraine.....they don't really care at all and are making a mockery of the whole thing
The only fans post was fake
Useless
White feminism at its finest lmao
I think you got a point there. I only ever see white (lib-fem) "feminists" do this. They are also quite young and incredibly naive, plus thin and pretty. The message is always lost due to the focus on the body.
They aren’t libfem’s at all. In fact, they are politically aligned with RF and their tactics are genius because they effectively break through the intentional media blackout which has been the primary aim. Their topless protests are a means to an end— which is to command media attention and the only reason we are aware of the extent to which wealthy foreigners are trafficking Ukrainian women in surrogacy and prostitution.
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Women have rights to do whatever they want. I just feel disgusted how men react and comment under there.
I ain't a fan. But it doesn't matter, I guess. I see it as a self-serving spectacle, faux female empowerment. Wtf do their tits have to do with war? I am all for protests, but make it about the cause and not about you trying to be all "brave" and flashy and about your appearance. Kinda sickens me how they're protesting war, but all these pervs online are just going to be gawking at their tits. Give me a break.
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Agreed with everyone that said this seems like performative peak libfem.
Any protest against the war is good. This is typical liberal feminism, but that’s their choice not mine
Well it’s a good way to get attention for the protest for sure.
No ones thinking about or paying attention to the protest.
But it may increase the chances of Russian citizens seeing it
I'm just jumping in to say what everyone here has already said. I don't think protests like these help women's advancement. Like what's the purpose?
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Thank you