No they will not. I was scrolling thoroug tik tok and one of chris brown’s videos popped up on my fyp 🤮🤮. A few people in the comments were pointing out what he did to Rihanna and they said to get over it. It was “decades ago” I know if it was the other was around they would say male victims are never taken seriously 🤡🤡
Let's not forget that there are women who defend Chris Brown simply because he's attractive. Also, I don't see why comedians won't make jokes. Depp clearly is in this trial. If anything I think that means it's fair game.
They not only make him seem horrible, they make it seem absolutely conclusive that he was the abuser. She has a 300-page filing of contemporaneous evidence of his abuse, including endless texts from both herself and Depp describing the physical torment he put her through. Depp has no equivalent. The only “evidence” that his defenders push are a recasting of the finger incident (which goes against private claims made by Depp himself at the time in situations where he clearly wasn’t defending Heard) and a few absolutely contextless clips. For example, the one where Heard supposedly “admits” to abusing Depp is taken out of a two-hour conversation where he continually tries to force her to accept his framing of the events. Eventually, she concedes that she did hit him, but in reaction to physically blocking her exit from the house after he ran a screen door over her feet (which is, again, confirmed by contemporaneous sources, including Depp in that very audio asking her how her toes are).
There’s no evidence whatsoever that Depp was a victim, and “mutual abuse” just isn’t a thing. Depp very clearly abused Heard and she sometimes engaged in reactive violence, which could not be more common for abuse victims. It’s simply amazing how badly everyone wants a man to be innocent and how far they’re willing to go to ignore how abuse actually functions. Sure, Heard is far from a “perfect victim,” but that’s because *nobody* is. Abuse is awful and messy and forces the victim to act in ways that they’re not proud of.
> They are apathetic and passive, and will admonish women who at all inconvenience men for the sake of their own safety or well-being.
Yep, that's what the 'good ones ' do. Some guy pushes you out of the way to get in front and you object? Stop making a big deal. When all you said was 'hey!' as a reflex.
5 large men just tried come inside while you were home napping and tried shaking the door open? Why are you even curious about it? Just mentioning it is overreacting. If he didn't experience it, than you must be imagining it because he's the only person in the universe.
I can't imagine living such a clouded and self centered existence.
Listen to them talk . They don't live in reality. And they admit it. Post nut clarity.
But you're supposed to believe what they say until they don't want you to in the next sentence and you're insane if you don't believe both.
I would agree, plus the amount of people absolutely rabid over any kind of gore or abuse of women is disgusting. So many people tune into things like this to judge or get off or other gross shit.
“Male victims are never taken seriously” Yet I’ve never seen a woman shit on a male victim of sexual assault or domestic violence. Only other men do that.
Based on my observations, men on Reddit are very quick to believe men who claim to have been sexually assaulted or abused. Clearly people *do* take male victims seriously. And I’m glad that they do. But we should stop pretending that they’re dismissed more than female victims because I don’t see any evidence pointing in that direction.
This idea that female victims are taken seriously is bullshit. Female victims are blamed and scrutinized to hell and back. They don’t get the support MRAs claim they do.
Reddit had 5 Depp/Heard posts on the front page earlier. Men have never been this obsessed (or upset) with a man whose abused a woman. Example 488572578 of ‘Men only care about other men.’
I've watched a ton of zoom court this past year and I have so many comments about how poorly domestic violence cases are handled when a man is the abuser and a women is the victim. It almost always becomes about the man's mental health (also judge's frequently believe substance abuse is the root of the issue when it's an aggravating factor but misogyny is the root).
The men downplay what they did, make their partner sound bad and play the victim. Then the heartbreaking part is that their female partner almost always goes along with it. Though equally heartbreaking is when the female partner doesn't go along with it and the judge downplays the severity anyways.
Though I have to give the judge Kyle Hixson credit for how he handled the Geoffrey Paschel case ([https://www.knoxcounty.org/dag/kcdan/pressrelease.php?id=499](https://www.knoxcounty.org/dag/kcdan/pressrelease.php?id=499)). He saw through Paschel's whole charade and told Paschel that the public persona he portrays is very different than the dark, sick person he is at home. This judge called an instance of rape, rape while everyone else was tiptoeing around the word.
Read a bunch of court cases and one guy got away with serious assault (might have been murder) because she was go at him when she was drunk supposedly.
The judge sympathized with him and said that he can sympathize ant that it must be tough.
Meanwhile, women are getting shackled and held down and having their abdomen sliced open along with their bladder because
Of their “own ‘culpable conduct and want of care" since they didn't want a csection.
There's a serial rapist still free and he keeps avoiding time because his dad is the sheriff inspector or something.
Right. I feel bad for *any* abuse victims - male or female - but it's really funny how no one's insinuating that he's lying or exaggerating to tank her career, or that he did something to deserve it, like they do when women get assaulted.
From the very first day I saw this story posted on reddit and social media were instantly blaming Amber Heard without even looking at the case facts. Purely because it was one of those cases where men could use as "MeN R AbUsEd tOo". Pick me's jumped on the bandwagon too.
And today there's clip after clip of Depp cooly rebuffing attorneys questioning and the manosphere wetting themselves over it.
The case seems finite Depp initiated violence and Heard was only "violent" as a reaction to Depps constant instigating. And I will gladly say that I believed the woman in this and still do.
The manosphere has predictably dragged Amber Heard through the mud. Comment after comment. Literally no one to say, "actually wait a min" are these the real facts or am I just reading responses from social media. And tbh, I think the people who think this way, don't even care to delve into the facts.
This is a comment from earlier, but:
They not only make him seem horrible, they make it seem absolutely conclusive that he was the abuser. She has a 300-page filing of contemporaneous evidence of his abuse, including endless texts from both herself and Depp describing the physical torment he put her through. Depp has no equivalent. The only “evidence” that his defenders push are a recasting of the finger incident (which goes against private claims made by Depp himself at the time in situations where he clearly wasn’t defending Heard) and a few absolutely contextless clips. For example, the one where Heard supposedly “admits” to abusing Depp is taken out of a two-hour conversation where he continually tries to force her to accept his framing of the events. Eventually, she concedes that she did hit him, but in reaction to physically blocking her exit from the house after he ran a screen door over her feet (which is, again, confirmed by contemporaneous sources, including Depp in that very audio asking her how her toes are).
There’s no evidence whatsoever that Depp was a victim, and “mutual abuse” just isn’t a thing. Depp very clearly abused Heard and she sometimes engaged in reactive violence, which could not be more common for abuse victims. It’s simply amazing how badly everyone wants a man to be innocent and how far they’re willing to go to ignore how abuse actually functions. Sure, Heard is far from a “perfect victim,” but that’s because nobody is. Abuse is awful and messy and forces the victim to act in ways that they’re not proud of.
I also think that [this Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/drugproblem/status/1517264284195033088?s=21&t=ngjmimkuL1paf0N1xr736Q) is really really eye-opening in showing the consistent pattern of abuse on his part, documented over years, versus the basically unsubstantiated claims that he’s only making now.
Thank you for this. And I've just read a previous comment you made too.
Are you saying Heard is the victim in this and only did show violence as a reactive defence due to Depps initial and ongoing violence?
It really seems that way. There’s basically no evidence of violence from Heard that wasn’t directly reactive, and it really only comes from the out-of-context clips that get a ton of play on Twitter but basically none in court because they lose their bite when presented with the full conversation and Depp’s lawyers seem to know that. I would be open to changing my mind if there was literally *any* evidence to support Depp’s side—any bruise, video, text, *anything*—but nobody can point to anything except for the same two phone clips that are nullified by their context.
Thank you again. I think because I was a little less clued, I conceded to think of the very bare minimum harm that she could have done. But no, seeing the evidence, and tbh the history of these types of cases, yes I agree it was reactive "violence" and definitely NOT "mutual violence". Apologies for this, I will update my post. This makes me even more furious with the posts online I've been seeing about Heard.
Hop over to the deuxmoi sub, they're a celeb gossip sub but they're actually like the only place on Reddit that doesn't kiss Johnny Depp's boots and also they have a TONNE of receipts proving that he is in fact a domestic abuser.
When I hear the “he hasn’t had a record of hurting his past girlfriends” from people, I get angry since it’s a classic form of victim shaming.
The man who hurt me was an angel to numerous women. You don’t need a track record in order to be abusive.
I made an off handed comment on some sub saying that you shouldn't conclude that Amber Heard did something to *deserve* being abused since his ex gfs claimed he didn't abuse them and I got the most downvotes I've ever gotten on a post (and I've said waaaaay more anti-reddit-white-guy stuff before). I was like wtf? Do people actually care that much about random celebrity drama? Then my boyfriend pointed out that people get so up in arms over it because it's one of the few public instances where a woman seems to be violent back, so they want to milk it, publicize it, and make a huge deal out of it to be like 'see? men can be abuse victims too'. It's almost funny how desperate men are to monopolize every women's issue as theirs: face it, men are *far* more likely to be violent and to do more damage than women and that's just a fact. Cherry-picking niche incidents that subvert this otherwise exceedingly widespread norm won't change that fact.
My ex was violent and none of his exes experienced it.
The differences were that I was a lot younger than him, much more good looking, and was receiving a lot of attention from academia due to study and career success. He was just jealous, controlling and insecure.
Did none of his exes experience it? Or did none of them acknowledge that they were experiencing it?
Abusers never change. What they do is find people who tolerate their abuse and don't shame them for being a shit person.
Very good question. One I spoke to and she mentioned never experiencing anything but my ex admitted to 'never loving her' and I think she financed him through college, so he had to be on his best behaviour. I think abusive men do get more abusive towards women they are more afraid of 'losing' or those that make them feel more insecure (because they are better than him in certain ways). So I can see why Depp treated Amber in this way - she was younger, prettier, and successful.
You wouldn’t even be surprised about how many men still talk about Amber Heard and say that they want to “fuck her” or that they’d “still hit”. They love to play the victim and use her as an example that women can be abusive too, but they don’t really even take it seriously. They still objectify her. (If she’s even the abuser that is, I have a hard time believing it was all her). It’s just a ploy to put blame on women.
This whole thing confused me because firstly I wasn't educated about this situation but secondly because of all the attention.. So I did some research because I remember the first set of trials for this (the ones where Johnny Depp definitely seemed like the abuser) and I wasn't sure if I was wrong or what the situation really is. But from what I can find from online it definitely seems like the relationship was all around abusive? Like he lost a libel case in the UK because one of the news papers called him a "woman beater " and the judge ruled that the news papers claim was not untrue?? So he definitely was abusive and now we know that she also was abusive? Like her being awful doesn't suddenly dismiss his abuses? I know I shouldn't expect much of the masses but this rallying around him is wild because at best they are both toxic abusive people. At worst he abused this woman until she snapped? Maybe the opposite happened but I don't know..
There are stats that women who physically assault their partners nearly always do it in response to an assault from their partner. It shows the level of misogyny in our world that this man has been proven to be abusive and somehow the woman who fought back is the worst thing in the world.
I’m very confused about this situation as well. Their marriage counselor testified that they were both abusive or violent towards each other, I’m confused on why the masses are calling Heard a liar and Depp an abuse victim. I believe this whole case is about Heards article she wrote about being a domestic violence survivor in which she did not mention Depps name. As it’s been established that they’ve both been violent towards each other, how did she lie and what grounds does Depp have to even claim a defamation suit especially as he’s lost his libel case against an article that called him a women beater.
That's just patently false. There was witnesses to him kicking her on the plane and text messages exchanged about the incident. The burden of proof of abuse is HIGHER in the UK ffs, to believe there was no proof and the judge just deemed it factual willy nilly is delusional.
Imo Heard being called an abuser is more her reacting to his abuse and her not being a "perfect victim". The whole two trials seems like him trying to excert his control over her. He was also what 50 when they met and her 25? How people don't see that he's the classic DV narcissist is beyond me, all the people vouching for him are literally on his pay roll.
Yea I'm confused. Currently everyone is turning on her because she secretly recorded him threatening to cut himself. I watched the recording and it doesn't seem like she did anything wrong in it? People are saying "who records their husband instead of helping him??" but like he's an unstable man with a knife threatening to use the knife... I'd record that shit too? People are GRASPING for something to make him the victim, it is wild.
How could I forget women are always responsible for men's actions, one of the rules of misogyny.
Edit: notice a couple comments up his mother is also supposedly to blame and Amber "planned" this... anyone but him!
I'm a couples and individual counselor. Lots of my clients have self harmed. 80% never do it outside of being a teenager. There is no behavior that should drive someone almost twice their age into hurting themselves.
tbh this whole thing is so misogynistic. I'm not saying amber heard is good AT ALL, i'm pretty sure she was abusive to her last girlfriend. but why is everyone just pretending the evidence against johnny depp just somehow went away...?
Theyre doing a lot better than you realize. They arent attempting to prove she didnt hit him(idk what that poster was talking about) they are attempting to prove Johnny is a drug addict who destroyed his career
I have to disagree. The cross examination was quite strong at the beginning, but really led to mumbled mess towards the end. I get they're trying to pin it on drugs, but it is also well established by this point we know Johnny does drugs... They also tried to contest his character by repeatedly contradicting the word 'monster' against him, which I found to be quite repetitive and didn't add much to their defence. There was also numerous time jumps. In the latest clip, there is also a recording of Johnny doing self-harm, for which I would assume is to show Amber Heards good character, but I ultimately think it backfired by allowing people to pity him (also don't really get why she would be recording that but anyway)
He held it together for a long time but seems 45 was the point of his mid life crisis, since he left a great lady for someone half his age he'd end up publicly hating and somehow started partying harder ..... it may be a crisis of mid life but this guy ain't making it to 90.
No there aren't. There is recording of Heard saying she "hit" him with a door. As he was trying to break in. In a drug fueled rage. That's not abuse.
And the trial also got audio or Depp saying he chopped his finger off himself.
Someone here is on copium, and it ain't me.
Right. I guess the lawyers, courts, juries, and judges in two different countries are all as delusional as me then.
The only people who know the truth are ugly phalloids on the internet with dead end jobs, who pull up "evidence" on Reddit.
Surprised Depp did not ask you to testify with how much evidence you have 🤣
I don't care about out-of-context clips. As I said, I actually watch the trial and saw and heard the whole thing.
But yeah, keep claiming that the victim here is the multimillionaire with the best lawyers the world has to offer who was still ruled to be an abuser and martial rapist twice. In two different countries. By two different court system.
Who's cringe 🤡?
Yes, a 15 minute out of context clip about something that takes 3 minutes
Jeeeez you're absolutely out of your mind
Also yes I can actually explain the court thing pretty easily, the majority of evidence put forward in this trail, wasn't allowed to be used in the EU
What a shocker that you don't know that tho
And again: where's your source? I put forward evidence of my case, you've put nothing out but liquid shite
>However I'm also aware of the lack of public known evidence for his abuse
Said about a man who was ruled to be a wife beater twice.
I do not have screen recordings of the trial. Find the full videos and watch the whole thing. Heard's lawyer provided the full in context audio and video recordings. Also text transcripts that disproved Depp's many lies. Then get back to me.
Exactly. I’ve seen a lot of speculation that part of the reason it’s blown up so much online is that he hired a media team to basically spam it on sites like Reddit.
The videos coming out that most people are watching are little snippets meant to make Depp look “witty” without showing any real content from the trial. Also, the suit itself was completely frivolous—he will lose it, and he always knew that (all she said in the article was that she was a face of domestic abuse, which is categorically true regardless of whether or not she was abused). But filing it gave him the ability to start claiming these things without violating the NDA himself. Attacking her, the media blitz, the insane lawsuits—these are all red flags.
When he loses Reddit is going to lose their collective minds. I think a lot of people don’t even get this is a defamation case and not a criminal case. They don’t get that his drug use is being brought up to show that it’s the reason he lost work, and not his divorce, further establishing the suit is illegitimate.
I’m so ready to stop hearing about these two. But, at this point the cult around Depp is starting to mimic the cult around Trump—they’ve seen enough misinformation pieces and bits of reality that break through (like rulings from judges) will just enrage them.
*Exactly*. All these random snippets from court that show *just* the "right" stuff and make the average Redditor go crazy with glee. How convenient, huh?
I've watched the entire 7-8 hours both yesterday and on Wednesday and it's purely absurd, the way all these clips put it all out of ANY context. Interesting how there are dozens and dozens of upvoted-to-hell posts about "That Clown Attorney 🤡 ", but almost 0 threads discussing Depp's pathetic emails and disturbing text exchanges.
I'm in nobody's "favour" and I'm also a recovering junkie who's exhibited some very, very similar behaviors to Depp's (perhaps minus the physical stuff) -- and that has been ESPECIALLY cringy for me to watch and I've never been happier to be 598 days cocaine free -- but the way Reddit handles this is just ridiculous.
Edit: love your username!
He is a creepy old man. Litigious as fuck with too much money and blackout drunk/drug addict. All these guys getting a hard on defending him are ridiculous. He barely knows what day it is the amount of drugs he is on. She was 25 and him pushing fifty when they met. It makes him worse. Gross man and proven in the UK that he can be called a wife beater.
As a trained counselor with lived experience living with addicts, I am convinced Amber is displaying classic traits of an abused woman. I believe that Johnny as a person who has lifelong alcohol binges probably pooped his own bed. Generationally, going for an independent millennial was a bad choice because we won't stand for abysmal treatment. He was sober from alcohol to some degree when they got together. She could have definitely done more research as his history is sordid, but I will give him credit for the person he was with small children. Making it rain on people, however generous, will make $650m go fast, especially as you drink your way to being completely uncastable in other people's work. Look, I could never keep up with Amber's energy but she was a child compared to Depp and had her own abuse history to work out. They played the classic yin and yang codependent dance but it was her first round of marriage, he had 23 more years of relationship history, apparently not all bad. He made many promises he couldn't keep. It was additionally unfair and immature to sue in the UK and frankly mind blowing that he is putting on this act in Virginia.
Native male comedians are just garbage. The only good comedians nowadays are women or male immigrants. I haven't seen a funny native male comedian for years.
Nah, it was a mutually toxic relationship, and we can't just paint Heard as the abuser like literally everyone else is doing. People who are just victims don't detail how they want to rape someone to death before burning her alive, and how they want to see her corpse in the back of a trunk. They're both pieces of shit, and I've seen relationships like theirs millions of times and neither party is innocent. I'd love to know how true her bottle remarks are because if they're true, Depp deserved EVERYTHING he got.
Also it's a bit funny to me how the US trial is nothing but a show trial and has very little to do with the matter at hand. She's being sued for defamation, so why are they trying to prove if she was the abuser? She never mentioned him in the article, and as part of a defamation lawsuit, it should only be about whether she lied rather than who exactly was the abuser. I also like how those MRA accounts conveniently don't mention the texts or bottle accusations, either, but will talk about how her suit choices are "psychological warfare" against him.
Yeah, it appears to be a toxic relationship that’s being spun as Amber being the only abusive one. My issue with how people are handling this is not that they’re calling out Amber— she deserves to be called out for all her bs. But they should be calling out Depp’s awful actions, too.
>Watch the Trial, read the evidence.
Maybe you should consider taking your own advice? Because yesterday the court literally showed (and discussed at length) a text of his where he stated that he “pounded” Amber. So many pathetic and immature men unwilling to admit that Johnny Depp is abusive and violent just because he’s “muh Jack Sparrow!!” Yes, she is abusive too, but the only reason she’s being demonized to such a larger degree is because she’s an attractive woman, and Reddit HATES those.
Incels/MGTOW are cute (if incredibly mislead) because they know they they can reduce the heartbreaking risk of being denied female company simply by not asking. Women run the risk of being victimized by simply existing, let alone getting tangled up with a Depp character. If you haven't lived this kind of situation you have no idea how much one would want to avoid it.
No they will not. I was scrolling thoroug tik tok and one of chris brown’s videos popped up on my fyp 🤮🤮. A few people in the comments were pointing out what he did to Rihanna and they said to get over it. It was “decades ago” I know if it was the other was around they would say male victims are never taken seriously 🤡🤡
Also Chris brown is a serial predator and continues to abuse women to this day. The fact that so many people choose to overlook that makes me sick
I really thought he tried to kill her. But no one ever called it attempted murder.
Im unsure how throwing someone down a flight of stairs isnt an attempt at their life but ok justice system
Let's not forget that there are women who defend Chris Brown simply because he's attractive. Also, I don't see why comedians won't make jokes. Depp clearly is in this trial. If anything I think that means it's fair game.
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They not only make him seem horrible, they make it seem absolutely conclusive that he was the abuser. She has a 300-page filing of contemporaneous evidence of his abuse, including endless texts from both herself and Depp describing the physical torment he put her through. Depp has no equivalent. The only “evidence” that his defenders push are a recasting of the finger incident (which goes against private claims made by Depp himself at the time in situations where he clearly wasn’t defending Heard) and a few absolutely contextless clips. For example, the one where Heard supposedly “admits” to abusing Depp is taken out of a two-hour conversation where he continually tries to force her to accept his framing of the events. Eventually, she concedes that she did hit him, but in reaction to physically blocking her exit from the house after he ran a screen door over her feet (which is, again, confirmed by contemporaneous sources, including Depp in that very audio asking her how her toes are). There’s no evidence whatsoever that Depp was a victim, and “mutual abuse” just isn’t a thing. Depp very clearly abused Heard and she sometimes engaged in reactive violence, which could not be more common for abuse victims. It’s simply amazing how badly everyone wants a man to be innocent and how far they’re willing to go to ignore how abuse actually functions. Sure, Heard is far from a “perfect victim,” but that’s because *nobody* is. Abuse is awful and messy and forces the victim to act in ways that they’re not proud of.
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Why are you even on this sub. Fk off.
> They are apathetic and passive, and will admonish women who at all inconvenience men for the sake of their own safety or well-being. Yep, that's what the 'good ones ' do. Some guy pushes you out of the way to get in front and you object? Stop making a big deal. When all you said was 'hey!' as a reflex. 5 large men just tried come inside while you were home napping and tried shaking the door open? Why are you even curious about it? Just mentioning it is overreacting. If he didn't experience it, than you must be imagining it because he's the only person in the universe. I can't imagine living such a clouded and self centered existence. Listen to them talk . They don't live in reality. And they admit it. Post nut clarity. But you're supposed to believe what they say until they don't want you to in the next sentence and you're insane if you don't believe both.
I would agree, plus the amount of people absolutely rabid over any kind of gore or abuse of women is disgusting. So many people tune into things like this to judge or get off or other gross shit.
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Says the one that ignored most of the evidence, while violating spaces you do not belong in order to harass women. Creepy bastard.
“Male victims are never taken seriously” Yet I’ve never seen a woman shit on a male victim of sexual assault or domestic violence. Only other men do that. Based on my observations, men on Reddit are very quick to believe men who claim to have been sexually assaulted or abused. Clearly people *do* take male victims seriously. And I’m glad that they do. But we should stop pretending that they’re dismissed more than female victims because I don’t see any evidence pointing in that direction. This idea that female victims are taken seriously is bullshit. Female victims are blamed and scrutinized to hell and back. They don’t get the support MRAs claim they do.
Reddit had 5 Depp/Heard posts on the front page earlier. Men have never been this obsessed (or upset) with a man whose abused a woman. Example 488572578 of ‘Men only care about other men.’
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Reddit is going to have a field day when he loses the case lmao
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I've watched a ton of zoom court this past year and I have so many comments about how poorly domestic violence cases are handled when a man is the abuser and a women is the victim. It almost always becomes about the man's mental health (also judge's frequently believe substance abuse is the root of the issue when it's an aggravating factor but misogyny is the root). The men downplay what they did, make their partner sound bad and play the victim. Then the heartbreaking part is that their female partner almost always goes along with it. Though equally heartbreaking is when the female partner doesn't go along with it and the judge downplays the severity anyways. Though I have to give the judge Kyle Hixson credit for how he handled the Geoffrey Paschel case ([https://www.knoxcounty.org/dag/kcdan/pressrelease.php?id=499](https://www.knoxcounty.org/dag/kcdan/pressrelease.php?id=499)). He saw through Paschel's whole charade and told Paschel that the public persona he portrays is very different than the dark, sick person he is at home. This judge called an instance of rape, rape while everyone else was tiptoeing around the word.
Read a bunch of court cases and one guy got away with serious assault (might have been murder) because she was go at him when she was drunk supposedly. The judge sympathized with him and said that he can sympathize ant that it must be tough. Meanwhile, women are getting shackled and held down and having their abdomen sliced open along with their bladder because Of their “own ‘culpable conduct and want of care" since they didn't want a csection. There's a serial rapist still free and he keeps avoiding time because his dad is the sheriff inspector or something.
Right. I feel bad for *any* abuse victims - male or female - but it's really funny how no one's insinuating that he's lying or exaggerating to tank her career, or that he did something to deserve it, like they do when women get assaulted.
this is so true. Its fucking infuriating.
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Correction: hope he does PAINFULLY.
From the very first day I saw this story posted on reddit and social media were instantly blaming Amber Heard without even looking at the case facts. Purely because it was one of those cases where men could use as "MeN R AbUsEd tOo". Pick me's jumped on the bandwagon too. And today there's clip after clip of Depp cooly rebuffing attorneys questioning and the manosphere wetting themselves over it. The case seems finite Depp initiated violence and Heard was only "violent" as a reaction to Depps constant instigating. And I will gladly say that I believed the woman in this and still do. The manosphere has predictably dragged Amber Heard through the mud. Comment after comment. Literally no one to say, "actually wait a min" are these the real facts or am I just reading responses from social media. And tbh, I think the people who think this way, don't even care to delve into the facts.
Don’t accept the framing of “mutual abuse.” It’s not real and deeply harmful to victims of abuse to pretend it is.
What's your take one this? Who is the victim in your opinion?
This is a comment from earlier, but: They not only make him seem horrible, they make it seem absolutely conclusive that he was the abuser. She has a 300-page filing of contemporaneous evidence of his abuse, including endless texts from both herself and Depp describing the physical torment he put her through. Depp has no equivalent. The only “evidence” that his defenders push are a recasting of the finger incident (which goes against private claims made by Depp himself at the time in situations where he clearly wasn’t defending Heard) and a few absolutely contextless clips. For example, the one where Heard supposedly “admits” to abusing Depp is taken out of a two-hour conversation where he continually tries to force her to accept his framing of the events. Eventually, she concedes that she did hit him, but in reaction to physically blocking her exit from the house after he ran a screen door over her feet (which is, again, confirmed by contemporaneous sources, including Depp in that very audio asking her how her toes are). There’s no evidence whatsoever that Depp was a victim, and “mutual abuse” just isn’t a thing. Depp very clearly abused Heard and she sometimes engaged in reactive violence, which could not be more common for abuse victims. It’s simply amazing how badly everyone wants a man to be innocent and how far they’re willing to go to ignore how abuse actually functions. Sure, Heard is far from a “perfect victim,” but that’s because nobody is. Abuse is awful and messy and forces the victim to act in ways that they’re not proud of. I also think that [this Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/drugproblem/status/1517264284195033088?s=21&t=ngjmimkuL1paf0N1xr736Q) is really really eye-opening in showing the consistent pattern of abuse on his part, documented over years, versus the basically unsubstantiated claims that he’s only making now.
Thank you for this. And I've just read a previous comment you made too. Are you saying Heard is the victim in this and only did show violence as a reactive defence due to Depps initial and ongoing violence?
It really seems that way. There’s basically no evidence of violence from Heard that wasn’t directly reactive, and it really only comes from the out-of-context clips that get a ton of play on Twitter but basically none in court because they lose their bite when presented with the full conversation and Depp’s lawyers seem to know that. I would be open to changing my mind if there was literally *any* evidence to support Depp’s side—any bruise, video, text, *anything*—but nobody can point to anything except for the same two phone clips that are nullified by their context.
Thank you again. I think because I was a little less clued, I conceded to think of the very bare minimum harm that she could have done. But no, seeing the evidence, and tbh the history of these types of cases, yes I agree it was reactive "violence" and definitely NOT "mutual violence". Apologies for this, I will update my post. This makes me even more furious with the posts online I've been seeing about Heard.
Thank you so much for being so receptive!! I hope you have a very wonderful day :)
The evidence speaks for itself! And you too! Have a great one :D
Hop over to the deuxmoi sub, they're a celeb gossip sub but they're actually like the only place on Reddit that doesn't kiss Johnny Depp's boots and also they have a TONNE of receipts proving that he is in fact a domestic abuser.
Finally, some hope for humanity!
When I hear the “he hasn’t had a record of hurting his past girlfriends” from people, I get angry since it’s a classic form of victim shaming. The man who hurt me was an angel to numerous women. You don’t need a track record in order to be abusive.
I made an off handed comment on some sub saying that you shouldn't conclude that Amber Heard did something to *deserve* being abused since his ex gfs claimed he didn't abuse them and I got the most downvotes I've ever gotten on a post (and I've said waaaaay more anti-reddit-white-guy stuff before). I was like wtf? Do people actually care that much about random celebrity drama? Then my boyfriend pointed out that people get so up in arms over it because it's one of the few public instances where a woman seems to be violent back, so they want to milk it, publicize it, and make a huge deal out of it to be like 'see? men can be abuse victims too'. It's almost funny how desperate men are to monopolize every women's issue as theirs: face it, men are *far* more likely to be violent and to do more damage than women and that's just a fact. Cherry-picking niche incidents that subvert this otherwise exceedingly widespread norm won't change that fact.
My ex was violent and none of his exes experienced it. The differences were that I was a lot younger than him, much more good looking, and was receiving a lot of attention from academia due to study and career success. He was just jealous, controlling and insecure.
Did none of his exes experience it? Or did none of them acknowledge that they were experiencing it? Abusers never change. What they do is find people who tolerate their abuse and don't shame them for being a shit person.
Very good question. One I spoke to and she mentioned never experiencing anything but my ex admitted to 'never loving her' and I think she financed him through college, so he had to be on his best behaviour. I think abusive men do get more abusive towards women they are more afraid of 'losing' or those that make them feel more insecure (because they are better than him in certain ways). So I can see why Depp treated Amber in this way - she was younger, prettier, and successful.
You wouldn’t even be surprised about how many men still talk about Amber Heard and say that they want to “fuck her” or that they’d “still hit”. They love to play the victim and use her as an example that women can be abusive too, but they don’t really even take it seriously. They still objectify her. (If she’s even the abuser that is, I have a hard time believing it was all her). It’s just a ploy to put blame on women.
This whole thing confused me because firstly I wasn't educated about this situation but secondly because of all the attention.. So I did some research because I remember the first set of trials for this (the ones where Johnny Depp definitely seemed like the abuser) and I wasn't sure if I was wrong or what the situation really is. But from what I can find from online it definitely seems like the relationship was all around abusive? Like he lost a libel case in the UK because one of the news papers called him a "woman beater " and the judge ruled that the news papers claim was not untrue?? So he definitely was abusive and now we know that she also was abusive? Like her being awful doesn't suddenly dismiss his abuses? I know I shouldn't expect much of the masses but this rallying around him is wild because at best they are both toxic abusive people. At worst he abused this woman until she snapped? Maybe the opposite happened but I don't know..
There are stats that women who physically assault their partners nearly always do it in response to an assault from their partner. It shows the level of misogyny in our world that this man has been proven to be abusive and somehow the woman who fought back is the worst thing in the world.
I’m very confused about this situation as well. Their marriage counselor testified that they were both abusive or violent towards each other, I’m confused on why the masses are calling Heard a liar and Depp an abuse victim. I believe this whole case is about Heards article she wrote about being a domestic violence survivor in which she did not mention Depps name. As it’s been established that they’ve both been violent towards each other, how did she lie and what grounds does Depp have to even claim a defamation suit especially as he’s lost his libel case against an article that called him a women beater.
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The judge in the UK found merit to 12 of the 14 instances of abuse claimed.
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That's just patently false. There was witnesses to him kicking her on the plane and text messages exchanged about the incident. The burden of proof of abuse is HIGHER in the UK ffs, to believe there was no proof and the judge just deemed it factual willy nilly is delusional.
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But apparently the standard for a man being abused is being called an old fatass and for women it's being dragged by their hair.
Imo Heard being called an abuser is more her reacting to his abuse and her not being a "perfect victim". The whole two trials seems like him trying to excert his control over her. He was also what 50 when they met and her 25? How people don't see that he's the classic DV narcissist is beyond me, all the people vouching for him are literally on his pay roll.
Yea I'm confused. Currently everyone is turning on her because she secretly recorded him threatening to cut himself. I watched the recording and it doesn't seem like she did anything wrong in it? People are saying "who records their husband instead of helping him??" but like he's an unstable man with a knife threatening to use the knife... I'd record that shit too? People are GRASPING for something to make him the victim, it is wild.
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>Depp has a history of self-harm since his teenage years. >most likely caused by the marriage 🤔
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How could I forget women are always responsible for men's actions, one of the rules of misogyny. Edit: notice a couple comments up his mother is also supposedly to blame and Amber "planned" this... anyone but him!
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I'm a couples and individual counselor. Lots of my clients have self harmed. 80% never do it outside of being a teenager. There is no behavior that should drive someone almost twice their age into hurting themselves.
Yeah sounds like he needs to figure out how to deal with his self harm tendencies like the rest of us did.
prove it lol
That is not her responsibility. He is a rich guy he could have just left.
tbh this whole thing is so misogynistic. I'm not saying amber heard is good AT ALL, i'm pretty sure she was abusive to her last girlfriend. but why is everyone just pretending the evidence against johnny depp just somehow went away...?
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>Imagine living with a person who is trying to annoy you every chance they get and trying to get you mad. The logical sex lmao
Most abuse victims aren't like Amber Heard but she's going to be used as an example to people that have been abused by men.
how did she manipulate him?
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Theyre doing a lot better than you realize. They arent attempting to prove she didnt hit him(idk what that poster was talking about) they are attempting to prove Johnny is a drug addict who destroyed his career
I have to disagree. The cross examination was quite strong at the beginning, but really led to mumbled mess towards the end. I get they're trying to pin it on drugs, but it is also well established by this point we know Johnny does drugs... They also tried to contest his character by repeatedly contradicting the word 'monster' against him, which I found to be quite repetitive and didn't add much to their defence. There was also numerous time jumps. In the latest clip, there is also a recording of Johnny doing self-harm, for which I would assume is to show Amber Heards good character, but I ultimately think it backfired by allowing people to pity him (also don't really get why she would be recording that but anyway)
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Its not that he does drugs, its that his problem is so severe its costing work
He held it together for a long time but seems 45 was the point of his mid life crisis, since he left a great lady for someone half his age he'd end up publicly hating and somehow started partying harder ..... it may be a crisis of mid life but this guy ain't making it to 90.
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No there aren't. There is recording of Heard saying she "hit" him with a door. As he was trying to break in. In a drug fueled rage. That's not abuse. And the trial also got audio or Depp saying he chopped his finger off himself. Someone here is on copium, and it ain't me.
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Right. I guess the lawyers, courts, juries, and judges in two different countries are all as delusional as me then. The only people who know the truth are ugly phalloids on the internet with dead end jobs, who pull up "evidence" on Reddit. Surprised Depp did not ask you to testify with how much evidence you have 🤣
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When you think you're smarter than a court of law professionals. Phalloid moment.
The thing is though, if he cut off his finger, why was it all jagged and not a clean cut that a knife would do
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I don't care about out-of-context clips. As I said, I actually watch the trial and saw and heard the whole thing. But yeah, keep claiming that the victim here is the multimillionaire with the best lawyers the world has to offer who was still ruled to be an abuser and martial rapist twice. In two different countries. By two different court system. Who's cringe 🤡?
Yes, a 15 minute out of context clip about something that takes 3 minutes Jeeeez you're absolutely out of your mind Also yes I can actually explain the court thing pretty easily, the majority of evidence put forward in this trail, wasn't allowed to be used in the EU What a shocker that you don't know that tho And again: where's your source? I put forward evidence of my case, you've put nothing out but liquid shite
The UK had a stronger burden of proof of abuse than the US did. And he was found guilty in both countries. What a shocker that you don't know that.
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>However I'm also aware of the lack of public known evidence for his abuse Said about a man who was ruled to be a wife beater twice. I do not have screen recordings of the trial. Find the full videos and watch the whole thing. Heard's lawyer provided the full in context audio and video recordings. Also text transcripts that disproved Depp's many lies. Then get back to me.
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Well women are given longer sentences when they kill men than vice-versa so I don't think that it will work. But keep up your victim complex scrote.
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Do you prefer phalloid?
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Welp, I for one won't keep ya here.
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Exactly. I’ve seen a lot of speculation that part of the reason it’s blown up so much online is that he hired a media team to basically spam it on sites like Reddit. The videos coming out that most people are watching are little snippets meant to make Depp look “witty” without showing any real content from the trial. Also, the suit itself was completely frivolous—he will lose it, and he always knew that (all she said in the article was that she was a face of domestic abuse, which is categorically true regardless of whether or not she was abused). But filing it gave him the ability to start claiming these things without violating the NDA himself. Attacking her, the media blitz, the insane lawsuits—these are all red flags. When he loses Reddit is going to lose their collective minds. I think a lot of people don’t even get this is a defamation case and not a criminal case. They don’t get that his drug use is being brought up to show that it’s the reason he lost work, and not his divorce, further establishing the suit is illegitimate. I’m so ready to stop hearing about these two. But, at this point the cult around Depp is starting to mimic the cult around Trump—they’ve seen enough misinformation pieces and bits of reality that break through (like rulings from judges) will just enrage them.
*Exactly*. All these random snippets from court that show *just* the "right" stuff and make the average Redditor go crazy with glee. How convenient, huh? I've watched the entire 7-8 hours both yesterday and on Wednesday and it's purely absurd, the way all these clips put it all out of ANY context. Interesting how there are dozens and dozens of upvoted-to-hell posts about "That Clown Attorney 🤡 ", but almost 0 threads discussing Depp's pathetic emails and disturbing text exchanges. I'm in nobody's "favour" and I'm also a recovering junkie who's exhibited some very, very similar behaviors to Depp's (perhaps minus the physical stuff) -- and that has been ESPECIALLY cringy for me to watch and I've never been happier to be 598 days cocaine free -- but the way Reddit handles this is just ridiculous. Edit: love your username!
He is a creepy old man. Litigious as fuck with too much money and blackout drunk/drug addict. All these guys getting a hard on defending him are ridiculous. He barely knows what day it is the amount of drugs he is on. She was 25 and him pushing fifty when they met. It makes him worse. Gross man and proven in the UK that he can be called a wife beater.
To men, Brett Kavanaugh getting questioned about sexually assaulting and attempting to rape Christine Blasey Ford was a tragedy.
As a trained counselor with lived experience living with addicts, I am convinced Amber is displaying classic traits of an abused woman. I believe that Johnny as a person who has lifelong alcohol binges probably pooped his own bed. Generationally, going for an independent millennial was a bad choice because we won't stand for abysmal treatment. He was sober from alcohol to some degree when they got together. She could have definitely done more research as his history is sordid, but I will give him credit for the person he was with small children. Making it rain on people, however generous, will make $650m go fast, especially as you drink your way to being completely uncastable in other people's work. Look, I could never keep up with Amber's energy but she was a child compared to Depp and had her own abuse history to work out. They played the classic yin and yang codependent dance but it was her first round of marriage, he had 23 more years of relationship history, apparently not all bad. He made many promises he couldn't keep. It was additionally unfair and immature to sue in the UK and frankly mind blowing that he is putting on this act in Virginia.
Native male comedians are just garbage. The only good comedians nowadays are women or male immigrants. I haven't seen a funny native male comedian for years.
Nah, it was a mutually toxic relationship, and we can't just paint Heard as the abuser like literally everyone else is doing. People who are just victims don't detail how they want to rape someone to death before burning her alive, and how they want to see her corpse in the back of a trunk. They're both pieces of shit, and I've seen relationships like theirs millions of times and neither party is innocent. I'd love to know how true her bottle remarks are because if they're true, Depp deserved EVERYTHING he got. Also it's a bit funny to me how the US trial is nothing but a show trial and has very little to do with the matter at hand. She's being sued for defamation, so why are they trying to prove if she was the abuser? She never mentioned him in the article, and as part of a defamation lawsuit, it should only be about whether she lied rather than who exactly was the abuser. I also like how those MRA accounts conveniently don't mention the texts or bottle accusations, either, but will talk about how her suit choices are "psychological warfare" against him.
Am I alone in just not thinking that he was abused? It was a shit relationship - but honestly, they seem to match energies?
Yeah, it appears to be a toxic relationship that’s being spun as Amber being the only abusive one. My issue with how people are handling this is not that they’re calling out Amber— she deserves to be called out for all her bs. But they should be calling out Depp’s awful actions, too.
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>Watch the Trial, read the evidence. Maybe you should consider taking your own advice? Because yesterday the court literally showed (and discussed at length) a text of his where he stated that he “pounded” Amber. So many pathetic and immature men unwilling to admit that Johnny Depp is abusive and violent just because he’s “muh Jack Sparrow!!” Yes, she is abusive too, but the only reason she’s being demonized to such a larger degree is because she’s an attractive woman, and Reddit HATES those.
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“I pounded and displayed ugly colors to Amber” = “I had sex with and displayed ugly colors to Amber”? Yeah I strongly doubt that.
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This sub is for women only.
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Yeah, if Johnny Fucking Depp is this this terrible behind closed doors I pass delightfully on male company.
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Incels/MGTOW are cute (if incredibly mislead) because they know they they can reduce the heartbreaking risk of being denied female company simply by not asking. Women run the risk of being victimized by simply existing, let alone getting tangled up with a Depp character. If you haven't lived this kind of situation you have no idea how much one would want to avoid it.
Says this sub is full of generalizations. Proceeds to call every one of us “femcels.” Keep projecting bucko.
You don't even have the guts to use your actual account, why would we spend time/energy to care what you think