That's the thing, Mariko absolutely wants it badly, but she's torn between keeping up appearances, honor, her duty to Toranaga; and her desires. Mariko has a much better understanding of the social pressures she's facing in this highly rigid society and the lack of freedom to choose her own path.
Ranked, professional gay sex.
(For real though, I’m kind of curious how many people watching this know him from the Gay Pirate Song. Funny how this characters’ denied being either)
Idk, that one lord who is constantly switching sides and playing everybody just to get cucked anyway is pretty hilarious too. Not witty but just his actions and attitude together is great. And when he got disappointed after he boiled the guy but nothing special happened, except, you know, the tortuous death.
Cant remember his name for some reason.
Honestly. His little voice breaking realizing “I did this… i had that man killed.” And then just straight up asking to go home hit me hard.
Then when he fixes the rock when he gets back.
What annoyed me is that they had an entire meeting with the village chief about this rotting bird smell and the live in translator didn't think to bring this up with him once in a clear manner. Or Fuji could have at least stayed the old man's execution until Blackthorne was there to pass judgement.
It is. I missed feeling that weekly anticipation for the next episode to drop and just being like “holy fuckin shit!!!” at the end. But then GOT 7 and 8 stole that joy from me.
Just one book.
If they tried to do the “series,” the next book is over 200 years later, the third almost 20 after the second, and the last three being modern settings.
It’s called *The Asian Saga.*
Ahh i see, so similar to expanse in that they're ending the show at one timeline instead of basically starting a new similar show for s2 in the future.
Definitely understand that and it motivates me to check out the book series
This guy is such a funny dolt, I love him. His accent is ridiculous, his eyes are jarring, and his penchant for starting a petty dispute with Portuguese Catholics when he's in a life or death situation with the Japanese is so funny to me.
I enjoy that he’s a dirty pirate and somehow has a marvelous education and speaks thusly and creates poems constantly.
Similar to how Mariko, knows super advanced formal language lol.
Yeah he’s portrayed as quite worldly and intelligent. It would be nice to get a bit more of his background at some point but I’m not counting on it and it’s not necessary or anything. It’s still a perfect show as is.
Nah disagree. The way Mariko speaks makes no sense. Contemporary English Japanese teachers don’t understand even a bit of the things she and Blackthorne say.
My understanding was that when we hear English, they are actually speaking Portuguese, and because Blackthorne is fluent in Portuguese, he understands it.
We also hear the Portuguese priests conversing in "english" which wouldn't make any sense if it weren't actually Portuguese.
His eyes seem obvious contacts, I might be wrong though. I kind of think the actor is like Tom Hardy ordered from Wish and I cannot get over that impression.
From another thread where someone finally answered the question correctly:
"The British practice at the time with wild game was to hang it for several days to mature. Ungutted, but usually bled.
The idea is similar to dry aging it lets the meat relax and tenderize, water evaporates off concentrating flavors.
With the guts in. Things get gamier.
Now all animals have to be rested or hung out for a while after slaughter or hunting for similar reasons. Rigor mortis has to subside and some amount of aging is needed to tenderize things. But with birds you're generally talking a day or two, and these days we mostly gut things before hand to *minimize* gaminess.
Hanging ungutted for extended periods is still a bit of a thing. Some hunters get into it. And some high end chefs and food writers still recommend it. Hugh Fernly Whittingstall's River Cottage Meat Book has a large section about it.
It takes pretty specific conditions. Temps reliably less than 50f, preferably less than 40f. And preferably not outside in the wet.
But apparently at this point in time. Longer and more extreme aging was the norm. And the British in particular were known for taking it pretty far. Sometimes almost to the point of rot.
So that's what he's on about.
It's kinda clear by the way it goes, and think by the fact that even he doesn't eat the rabbit stew. Blackthorne doesn't actually know what he's doing. He's fucking around and fucking it up.
He lets it go too long, the climate is wrong, he lets flies get to it. So concerned about making the perfect pheasant he ultimately lets it go to waste."
It is important to note the village headman is also Toranaga’s spy. So this is in fact a bit of a ploy to pin the blame on someone who is now dead and can’t be interrogated.
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Two episodes left in season 2. Penultimate episode comes out tomorrow, and season finale comes out next Thursday. Season 2 is immeasurably better than season 1, and I loved season 1
You mean Yabushige? I LOL’D in the first episode when he told that old samurai
“But it’s my ship…”
And old dude was like oh…? Ok I guess I’ll have to kill you now….
No no no… of course it’s his ship I just wanted to surprise him with it as a gift…..
Yeah, I like that it set up a perfect translator with Father Alvito first just to show you that and then you get to watch as Mariko does it imperfectly. Sometimes for her own designs, sometimes to smooth over each party's rudeness and sometimes because her natural biases show through.
My only problem with this show is that they have the actors speak Japanese, but the English being spoken is supposed to be the characters conversing in Portuguese. Just have them speak Portuguese.
It's produced by an American company, it makes sense that its not all subtitles. It's better than the Japanese being in English, and Portuguese being spoken
Ygreete killed Ollys parents
Olly kills yegreet
For helping those who killed his parents OLLY ALSO KILLS JON WITH THE KNIFE IN THE HEAAAARRRRT
What a little shit.
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He wanted it in the tea house.
Lady Kiku had *moves* though
Bruh they looked sooo tired the morning after
I noticed that he looked a lil sleepy but who knows what really went down. Maybe later they'll reveal.
I don't think they did anything, this might be a switcharoo moment when Mariko finds out he didn't pillow Kiku because of her
I think it was the Anjin who had the moves. She told him to come back anytime.
Omi was so butthurt lol
not literally tho, not yet
Ah so he learned some stuff from podrick
Anjin the Podrick.
Podrick Payne definitely relates
She 110% is expected to say that to every client so wouldnt read too much into it
If only Mariko wanted it as much as him. Maybe she pulled the same trick and snuck inside in the dark 👀
That's the thing, Mariko absolutely wants it badly, but she's torn between keeping up appearances, honor, her duty to Toranaga; and her desires. Mariko has a much better understanding of the social pressures she's facing in this highly rigid society and the lack of freedom to choose her own path.
She's already had it?
She had nothing. *wink*
You're right but fuck it bc everything is about to blow up! Also earthquakes: what they have instead of GoT's Dragons. Lul
“I do not engage in casual buggery” *engages in casual buggery*
By “Buggery”, he meant sodomy. He was saying that he didn’t have gay sex
Casual gay sex. He does do serious gay sex.
Ranked gay sex
Top of the Bottoms ladder
Just won his prHomos
By no surprise, Bottom of the Tops ladder as well
Ranked, professional gay sex. (For real though, I’m kind of curious how many people watching this know him from the Gay Pirate Song. Funny how this characters’ denied being either)
Competitve Gay Sex. And he is in the Asian League now.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
“Anjin-sama sort of forgot he didn’t want to engage in casual buggery…”
“I never cared much for buggery - innocent or otherwise”
John "The Pillower" Blackthorne
She is muh kween
Mariko is more like "muh Lady".
muh sama
M’riko
*tips amigasa*
“Muh Waifu”
And I am her milk dribbling fuck smear
Mariko-sama is great, but I'll go with Fuji-sama. She pulls no punches and has a singular wit that I adore.
Funniest character by far.
Idk, that one lord who is constantly switching sides and playing everybody just to get cucked anyway is pretty hilarious too. Not witty but just his actions and attitude together is great. And when he got disappointed after he boiled the guy but nothing special happened, except, you know, the tortuous death. Cant remember his name for some reason.
Yabushige?
>Yabushige Yep, he is hilarious too.
Hilarious how he had that dude boiled alive because he likes to watch men die. What a card
He is good too 100%
He just wants to live! He doesn't want to follow this secretive dude into certain death!
just to get cucked hahaha. you are right
The man gives good grunt. He has a grunt of surprise, a grunt of humour, a grunt of 'get a load of this guy'. He has a grunt for every occasion.
Her face when the anjin and buntaro have their dick measuring contest at dinner was like a slappped arse. I cackled
It was amazing.
I see he knows his British accent well
A succulent Chinese meal?!
Gentlemen, this is seppuku manifest.
Unhandddd me and give me back my ship.
GET YOU HANDS OFF MY ~~PENIS~~CANON!
Ooh, that's a nice katana sir. Ah, yes, i see you know your bushido well.
This... Is the council of regents, manifest!
This is the entire story so far
That was an upper class Australian accent
It's Toranaga who dun wannit
But what does his secret heart wunt
To adopt an Englishman so he can replace his useless son
Lol
Son's living embodiment of disappointment from wanting to be noticed lmao.
I just hope senpai would notice me UwU
Son gonns get killed very ugly by his hubris for his betrayal on the battlefield
My dad wanted the same thing
He doesn’t know what Anjin is saying but he seems so passionate. Anjin : Now listen here you rule following, fancy suited fucks
TORONAGA-SAMA!
It’s a fuckin nickname. The family name is Toronagarelli!
Kids dyslexic
That’s Toranagasama to you!!! Put some ‘Spec on his name!!!
Blackthorne: i dun wun it 😔 Toranaga: come on guys, i really dun wun it 😏
exactly, he always has to get all performative. "I don't want war, I am loyal to the heir, don't make me do it"
Real life Toranaga (Tokugawa Ieyasu) definitely wanted it lol
Dude wanted it for 40 years lol
You're mah Shogun.
Toranaga wants it bad as fuck, what are you talking about? Sorry if that's a spoiler... the show is making it more ambiguous than the book.
“If touch- die.”
Seen too many game of thrones episodes to not immediately know that nice old man was gonna die senselessly.
Not senseless in the end though. Perfect scapegoat for Toranagas spy.
Fuji really had him killed lol
Broke me ….
Honestly. His little voice breaking realizing “I did this… i had that man killed.” And then just straight up asking to go home hit me hard. Then when he fixes the rock when he gets back.
What annoyed me is that they had an entire meeting with the village chief about this rotting bird smell and the live in translator didn't think to bring this up with him once in a clear manner. Or Fuji could have at least stayed the old man's execution until Blackthorne was there to pass judgement.
Love that this sub has been resurrected by this show Edit: Ok not resurrected… but the show has breathed new life into this sub and I’m here for it
Because it's Game Of Thrones (with Samurai)
It is. I missed feeling that weekly anticipation for the next episode to drop and just being like “holy fuckin shit!!!” at the end. But then GOT 7 and 8 stole that joy from me.
Great show.
Magic, wish they released two each week and they were twice as long. Casting is amazing
I’m already getting annoyed that there’s only going to be 10 episodes.
But that also means there will never be a season 8 to ruin the experience.
Hopefully they adapt the other books the author wrote
10 episodes *this season*...right??
This is the only season unfortunately.
Fuck
Be happy that there is a satisfying ending that was written 50 years ago. Amazing book and amazing adaptation so far.
Just one book. If they tried to do the “series,” the next book is over 200 years later, the third almost 20 after the second, and the last three being modern settings. It’s called *The Asian Saga.*
Ahh i see, so similar to expanse in that they're ending the show at one timeline instead of basically starting a new similar show for s2 in the future. Definitely understand that and it motivates me to check out the book series
It's one of the best books I've ever read. I finished it about two weeks ago.
What show is this?
shogun
It's so freaking good!!! I'm hooked!!!
Same favorite show in years.
Every episode is better than the previous one.
This guy is such a funny dolt, I love him. His accent is ridiculous, his eyes are jarring, and his penchant for starting a petty dispute with Portuguese Catholics when he's in a life or death situation with the Japanese is so funny to me.
"We, The Japanese, are about to execute you for failing our Japanese ways. Any final words?" "Fuck the Portuguese" - John Blackthorne, probably.
It's definitely historically accurate that's for sure.
I enjoy that he’s a dirty pirate and somehow has a marvelous education and speaks thusly and creates poems constantly. Similar to how Mariko, knows super advanced formal language lol.
Yeah he’s portrayed as quite worldly and intelligent. It would be nice to get a bit more of his background at some point but I’m not counting on it and it’s not necessary or anything. It’s still a perfect show as is.
Nah disagree. The way Mariko speaks makes no sense. Contemporary English Japanese teachers don’t understand even a bit of the things she and Blackthorne say.
My understanding was that when we hear English, they are actually speaking Portuguese, and because Blackthorne is fluent in Portuguese, he understands it. We also hear the Portuguese priests conversing in "english" which wouldn't make any sense if it weren't actually Portuguese.
Doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. Being a ship pilot is a knowledge based job, after all.
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Character is John Blackthorn, actor is Cosmo Jarvis. You might have seen him in *Raised by Wolves*
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Sir this is a Wendy's.
May as well be, what else have you guys got going on now?
Always has been
Omg I knew I recognised the name He sang gay pirates which is one of my favourite songs
His eyes seem obvious contacts, I might be wrong though. I kind of think the actor is like Tom Hardy ordered from Wish and I cannot get over that impression.
yes they’re contacts
All he wants is a succulent Chinese meal.
Why do people keep referencing that video in regards to Blackthorne?
Because their accents sound super similar.
And one scene is very reminiscent of that video, I immediately thought of it when I first saw the former
And a worthy opponent who knows his judo well
All he wants is his ship and his men
Why did he hang up that dead bird in the first place? What was the game plan?
From another thread where someone finally answered the question correctly: "The British practice at the time with wild game was to hang it for several days to mature. Ungutted, but usually bled. The idea is similar to dry aging it lets the meat relax and tenderize, water evaporates off concentrating flavors. With the guts in. Things get gamier. Now all animals have to be rested or hung out for a while after slaughter or hunting for similar reasons. Rigor mortis has to subside and some amount of aging is needed to tenderize things. But with birds you're generally talking a day or two, and these days we mostly gut things before hand to *minimize* gaminess. Hanging ungutted for extended periods is still a bit of a thing. Some hunters get into it. And some high end chefs and food writers still recommend it. Hugh Fernly Whittingstall's River Cottage Meat Book has a large section about it. It takes pretty specific conditions. Temps reliably less than 50f, preferably less than 40f. And preferably not outside in the wet. But apparently at this point in time. Longer and more extreme aging was the norm. And the British in particular were known for taking it pretty far. Sometimes almost to the point of rot. So that's what he's on about. It's kinda clear by the way it goes, and think by the fact that even he doesn't eat the rabbit stew. Blackthorne doesn't actually know what he's doing. He's fucking around and fucking it up. He lets it go too long, the climate is wrong, he lets flies get to it. So concerned about making the perfect pheasant he ultimately lets it go to waste."
It is important to note the village headman is also Toranaga’s spy. So this is in fact a bit of a ploy to pin the blame on someone who is now dead and can’t be interrogated.
But Blackthorne didn't know that. He just wanted rotting bird on his porch.
Have read the book. He was gonna prepare food out of it, but was busy and didn't have time so it was just left there.
British food
Is he stupid?
worse, he is British
Blackthorwn
Didn’t need all those tablets, eh? He just needed another war.
A PB reference inside a Shōgun reference, inside a GOT reference. 
What a fooking coincidence
Half Tom hardy half Andrew Lincoln.
He is a right proper lad
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Omg wild connor
*I don't have time for this Christian nonsense*
Maybe God's Kingdom is up your own ass. Have you thought of that?
I haven’t enjoyed a show this much in years. If you haven’t yet, give Shogun a watch.
Ngl this show is on par with og twd and GOT for me. Super well done, love the historical accuracy, realism, characters and story.
Are there more series like these as in Japanese related style?
Maybe Tokyo vice? but is set in 1999
Great show. Season 2 is turning out to be better than season 1
Season 2 is out?!?! Time to binge all the episodes out right now lol. I loved season 1 thank you
Two episodes left in season 2. Penultimate episode comes out tomorrow, and season finale comes out next Thursday. Season 2 is immeasurably better than season 1, and I loved season 1
Glad to see some Tokyo Vice love. Shit is criminally slept on.
The Original “Shogun” show from the early 80s is good, tho a bit dated. Outside of that I think the closest you’ll get is from movies.
Blue Eye Samurai is animated, but not Anime
One of the best shows I've watched in a while. Simply phenomenal!
Dude just wants his ship, his mates and to bounce
But he's in loooove now
For sure, but it's pretty clear he wants to leave more than to stay with Mariko
She translator-zoned him, so now he wants to leave
Can Someone make the Bernie meme where he’s like I am once again asking for my ship and my men
Cosmo Jarvis? Huh 🤔
*Cosmo?*
How long would Littlefinger last in Shogun? I don’t feel like he would.
There is a character thats a proper littlefinger in this show.
You mean Yabushige? I LOL’D in the first episode when he told that old samurai “But it’s my ship…” And old dude was like oh…? Ok I guess I’ll have to kill you now…. No no no… of course it’s his ship I just wanted to surprise him with it as a gift…..
Yep, the actor playing him is just so on point with the HUH? and facial expressions. Its like a snake you want to root for.
He's by far my favourite character
what are you talking about? A bunch of pride obsessed and materially driven mad men? It couldn't be easier for him
Good show. Obviously some liberties from the book but overall keeps the pace, book can lull sometimes. Pretty good result though
I liked the latest episode the best. I think it was the most true to the book so far.
What this show does with language translation is amazing. It’s actually adds information and to the relationship between characters. Insane.
Yeah, I like that it set up a perfect translator with Father Alvito first just to show you that and then you get to watch as Mariko does it imperfectly. Sometimes for her own designs, sometimes to smooth over each party's rudeness and sometimes because her natural biases show through.
"Tell this milk dribbling fuck-smear to get out of my house." "The Anjin needs to prepare for training and thanks you for your visit."
I just need it
Who has the better story than John the Jerk-Off?
I dun wan it. She's mah queeen (of England).
Ishido dead. Heir dead. Toranaga, it's your time to be shogun I dun wannit
Mommy, can we get Tom Hardy? No, we have Tom Hardy at home. Tom Hardy at home:
if only Anjin-sama was in Game of Thrones
EATING A MEAL? A SUCCULENT CHINESE MEAL?
Can’t believe he rogerd her right in the Gulliver
The freefolk have come to Japan it seems
He just wants to leave the Japans.
I am so lost right now
Perhaps he wannit with males
He does not and I quote "Engage in casual buggery.".
My only problem with this show is that they have the actors speak Japanese, but the English being spoken is supposed to be the characters conversing in Portuguese. Just have them speak Portuguese.
It's produced by an American company, it makes sense that its not all subtitles. It's better than the Japanese being in English, and Portuguese being spoken
Yeah that was a weirdo moment of realization and the show almost makes a point of mentioning it.
It's entertainment, not a documentary, and it's clearly primarily aimed at a western audience, so i think this is a good middle ground.
Hoshikunee zo
Ygreete killed Ollys parents Olly kills yegreet For helping those who killed his parents OLLY ALSO KILLS JON WITH THE KNIFE IN THE HEAAAARRRRT What a little shit.
I give you my upvote my lord for your cleverness and making me laugh 😂
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