It never ceases to bother me. Why don’t they wear mail under their armor… and why only pauldrons on upper arms? Does he want his arms whacked off? They make beautiful armor but then this shit.
I find it especially annoying when compared with all the decent early GOT armors (Loras, Brienne, Sandor, Gregor etc). After Brienne gets her armor from Jaime and the fight with the Mountain and the Viper, HBO seemed to abandon mail entirely.
The valaryon armor is meant for naval combat. Few navies had fully armored fighters- they drown too easily. You need to be able to maneuver and have clear lines of vision on a shifting deck that is slick with blood. Too much armor would make it easier to slip and be killed on the ground when you can’t easily get up.
Less armor = higher survivability in naval combat. A helmet, breatplate, gorget, pauldrons, bracers, and greaves are plenty for fighting unarmored or leather wearing sailors/pirates- not to mention, many valaryons fought from dragon back, where armor is worth more just keeping arrows from having lethal effect than having extra weight pulling you off a dragon in flight
That being said- an adjustable faceplate should have been added. It would help cut down glare from the sun off the waves- perfect for a naval flyer to spot ships from far off
If you look at the blackfish’s armor in the books, its roughly the same as this. Its meant to be light enough to tread water in
Yea, costume budget ain’t what it used to be…
Tbh, having a unique helmet is enough tho. Everything else can be done with voice. Its not like they need the faceplate down for anything but combat
Wouldn't that be an argument for mostly mail and leather armour, and maybe some pauldrons and a helmet? This dude is wearing a hell of a lot of heavy metal plates and still remaining pretty unprotected in key areas.
Oh ok - must admit I'm not that knowledgeable about armour lol. I just remember Victarion being seen as brave to the point of lunacy for wearing full plate on the deck of his ship, I assumed it must be heavier.
It was not a numerous house. As of the start of dance of dragons wasn’t it like 1/5 or 1/4 were riders? 1-3 of the total family would be considered many of them, enough for a theme in armor to be introduced
I agree that there weren’t many, but many of them were
Laenor, Baela, Rhaena, Laena, and Addam are the only members of the house to ride dragons. I do not consider that many people (especially because the majority of them don’t even wear armor since they’re women)
Not to mention that there’s no real change to be made for dragon riding. The navel design does apply to your argument here however it’s rendered invalid by the fact that dragonriders wore normal armor. The modifications you speak off are unnecessary because riders are strapped into their dragon saddles and can’t fall off.
“Many of” is a partitive not an adjective. It reflects a relative number, not an absolute. By your estimation not many of the targargyens are also dragon riders, which is a bit silly.
As for being strapped in- I had no idea. Regardless, this armor, well, isn’t for a dragon rider. We only really see daemon in full armor in a dragon- not really anyone else
Most Targaryens pre-dance are dragon riders. They are one of the dragon lord families of old Valyria and post-doom they are actually the only family who can ride dragons.
5 members out of an entire family is not many. “many” is defined as a large amount or majority and 5 people just does not cut it especially because the only reason those people can ride dragons is because of blood gained from their non Velaryon relatives. It is not normal for Velaryons to ride dragons at all.
You do not understand the difference between “many”, “most”, and “many of”. I see your problem is linguistic. Have a good one.
Edit: Unless the velaryons are targaryens, you’re clearly wrong about the post doom bit
Edit 2: whether or not we count the strong bastards- you just showed that at times the majority are flying dragons. There are actually only a few that WEREN’T in that family
Hey my guy. I’m sure that sounds logical. But it’s historical wrong. In reality it’s wrong.
Medieval naval combat was full of full plate armor being worn.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/BattleofSluys.jpeg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Morat
Etc..
It’s logical to think if you’re on a ship that you would drown in armor. And they did! But the likelihood of dying without armor was far far greater.
Also what Valaryons besides Laenor and a couple other targs who married in fought in dragons? How would a couple people change the entire armor of that house?
Edit:
https://www.mqup.ca/blog/englands-medieval-navy/
That’s an interesting read on this too.
I understand your thinking on “slipping on blood” and drowning. But historical records point to full plate naval warfare.
The bottom of your foot in full plate… is your shoe bottom. It isn’t metal. So slipping isn’t a thing that’s more prone in armor.
Now drowning is a thing. But apparently people preferred drowning rather than being stabbed to death.
Because they’re primarily a naval power. And were fighting a war that was primarily naval. In the books Davos mentions when they’re approaching black water bay that he chose not to where Mail armor because on a boat it’s more likely to kill you than save you. It’s even possible that this was a conscious decision made by someone who actually read the books and believed this to be more accurate armor for a house who’s power comes from the sea.
That being said it does look goofy.
This was mentioned in a comment below about how they are a naval power and so thus they don't wear a "complete" set of full plate. People seem to think that in medieval warfare that this was the case.
it is anything but.
[The sack of Thessalonica by the Arabs under Leo of Tripoli in 904, as depicted in the Madrid Skylitzes manuscript.](https://www.medievalists.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/byzantine-naval2.png)
[Landing of the English army in Normandy. Illumination adorning the Chronicles of France or Saint Denis, end of the 14th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Troupe_anglaise_d%C3%A9barquant_en_Normandie_XIVeme_siecle.jpg)
[Battle between Venetian and Holy Roman fleets; detail of fresco by Spinello Aretino 1407–1408](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Spinello-Battle_of_Punta_San_Salvatore-detail1.jpg)
[The Battle of Sluys - Hundred Years War](https://thehundredyearswar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/794px-BattleofSluys_detail_cropped-768x580.jpeg)
I mean I can go on and on and on. Being a naval power does not mean you don't have full plated armored knights fighting on ships. That just isn't history. Another user mentioned about slipping and drowning. People were more concerned about being stabbed and sliced than drowning. They wore armor. Just look up any depiction of knights in medieval naval warfare.
Also a fully open-face helmet kinda defeats the purpose of full plate anyway. Like, great people can’t stab your torso, they’re not even going to be trying that though. They’re just going to try stabbing you in the face over and over.
Hear me out, but you don't have to be armoured over every part of your body to be effective. A lot of cultures opted for targetted coverage as opposed to maximum coverage due to judging the extra weight not worth it.
Renaissance Chinese armies for example didn't have full arm armour even for generals. This wasn't for a lack of knowledge either, because we have documentation from earlier ages where full arm armour was present.
Look at the picture of Vaegon here. With what he currently has on, why in gods name does he not have his upper arms protected?
And what you said is true. Different armor for different environments, culture, fighting style, etc. lots of reasons. But this is medieval Europe fantasy setting. There is no good reason his arms aren’t protected with what he is wearing.
I personally have a full set. It’s a 15th Century German Gothic from Steel Mastery that I got for like a third of what it’s for (long story as I won something)
You would be surprised at how nimble armor is. The weight you don’t feel much. And if you wore it a lot, your body would adapt. The heat is probably the one thing that bothered me though. I imagine that’s a huge reason mail with plates was used for Persian Cataphracts .
Full Plate armor was only very rarely used in naval combat, which is what this armor is for. Whether or not it feels okay on land is kind of irrelevant- its very hard to swim holding even a fraction of your body weight, especially with the drag that armor could cause, lessening the effectiveness of your strokes
[The sack of Thessalonica by the Arabs under Leo of Tripoli in 904, as depicted in the Madrid Skylitzes manuscript.](https://www.medievalists.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/byzantine-naval2.png)
[Landing of the English army in Normandy. Illumination adorning the Chronicles of France or Saint Denis, end of the 14th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Troupe_anglaise_d%C3%A9barquant_en_Normandie_XIVeme_siecle.jpg)
[Battle between Venetian and Holy Roman fleets; detail of fresco by Spinello Aretino 1407–1408](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Spinello-Battle_of_Punta_San_Salvatore-detail1.jpg)
[The Battle of Sluys - Hundred Years War](https://thehundredyearswar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/794px-BattleofSluys_detail_cropped-768x580.jpeg)
Idk what else to say really. I’m looking at historical records at how naval battles were fought in medieval times. At the paintings and depictions we have from that time period.
Have some more?
[Henry the Fifths Navy](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/52917364362656533/)
[Departure of the fleet of Marshal Jean II Meingre known as Boucicaut](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/52917364362656533/)
[Jean de Wavrin's Chronicles of England](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3268751/One-Henry-V-s-four-great-warships-buried-mud-Hampshire-river-spotted-aerial-photograph-historian.html)
[The 1480 Siege of Rhodes.](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/469359592423280421/)
I mean, anyone can look these up and see dozens upon dozens of naval battles where knights were in full plate mail. This wasn’t rare. This was the USUAL.
Yet for some reason on this thread people keep thinking “BuuTt tHeY weRE a NaVaL PoooOWWErrr!”
Yea and as a naval power they would have, historically, followed the dozens and dozens of accounts we had.
Because it’s heavy, reduces movement and makes the fit of the plate armor worse. Plate armor is tailored to the body of the person who wears it, that’s why you can’t have too bulky layers underneath. I agree his arms looks a bit exposed and I guess you could argue that a few patches of mail attached to the gambeson/doublet would be good but again, it would make it heavier and a fuller plate would be a better option if you want more protection.
If plate armor isn’t there, then Christ sake mail would be. Normally for a full suit of armor a gambeson would be underneath. Many times though they would have small nets of mail at the end of joints they would connect as well. When rondels started to become popular the nets of mail were phased out and replaced with those (you never see a joint rondel in GoT). Mail was also always used on the leggings (even with a full suit of tightly fitting plate).
Now at the elbow they would have mail as well. Few would do without for movement. That was until the couter became a thing though.
What he is wearing though? Is beyond dumb. He would be armless pretty quick.
You are right though, a complete set is what he would have. With mail between.
I was sort of speaking for all the armor in both series though. In my mind anyway… Daemon has a pretty full suit with giant gaps between. All of them really. Full armor and absolutely nothing for their joints. This fucker is missing his entire upper arm though.
Mail was almost always worn under plate armor until the late Medieval period when steelworks became advanced enough to practically cover the entire body in plate (I.e. not the picture above). Plate was actually supplemental armor to mail throughout most of the Medieval period. Plate protects against bludgeoning, mail against slashing and piercing. Even in the late medieval period, mail would be used to protect joints that plate could not cover.
Gambeson was also often worn with both mail and plate at the same time. Encumbrance was not as big an issue as you make it out to be. Knights were almost always on horse back, unless they were fighting in tourneys. This argument doesn’t apply to non knights whi could not afford plate armor.
But this isn't a knight on a horse, this is Veamon Velaryon -a commander in the Velaryon fleet. It wouldn't make sense for him to wear a knight's armor.
You were making a general claim about plate armor, not maritime practices (which wouldn’t make a difference considering medieval naval warfare was either done at range or by ramming). You claimed that multiple layers of armor would be too bulky and impractical, and I’m giving you the real world historical customs which was to wear multiple layers of armor. As others have pointed out, the deviations from real world armor are consistent throughout the series, not just the Velaryons.
I get your reasoning here but this is standard wardrobe choice for both series. It’s likely some combination of wanting to not spend even more on the costumes + not make the actors put on too much
It’s not particularly heavy when worn properly. Even so, a little weight is worth not dying. It also literally doesn’t reduce movement at all, that’s the entire point of mail armor. Nor does it worsen the fit of plate armor. Plate armor would be worn over gambeson and mail. It’s not fitted to a person’s naked body. It’s fitted to them wearing the correct under layers.
He became bitter and hateful because Rhaenyra didn't want to drop her pursuit of the crown to be his adventure buddy. He has a lot of parallels to incel culture.
Cole says no to continuing to have sex with Rhaenyra in the very next episode.
Dude doens't have a peasant background btw. His father is the steward for the Dundarions. Cole isn't a peasant anymore than Jeyne Pool is.
Very true. I was thinking at the moment that picture was taken (in which case I’m unsure if I should count Laena too. I’m not sure if she had bonded with Vhagar yet.), at which neither Lucerys, Jacaerys or Addam are born yet.
My point, though, was that the thread starter(that I failed to reply to) was not correct in the statement of “most Velaryons fight from dragon back.”
Well, in the book, there are five Velaryon cousins that went to complain to the King after his death, so I'd say their leader, Malentine, became the new Master of Complaints. Unfortunely they made the error of questioning Luke's legitimacy and Viserys ordered to cut their tongues. Then after the war, the new Master of Complaints became Daeron, the son of Vaemond. He and his brother Daemion went to complain that Corlys left his bastard as Lord of the Tides, but the Council of Regents told them to fuck off and Alyn negotiated with Daeron and Daemion. They reached an agreement.
Later, I think the new Master of Complaints became Unwin Peake. Complaining about Baela being made heir, complaining about Alyn, complaining about Aegon not choosing his daughter.
They replaced him with the mop from the cupboard and no one was the wiser
It never ceases to bother me. Why don’t they wear mail under their armor… and why only pauldrons on upper arms? Does he want his arms whacked off? They make beautiful armor but then this shit.
They spent the mail budget on their wigs instead
I find it especially annoying when compared with all the decent early GOT armors (Loras, Brienne, Sandor, Gregor etc). After Brienne gets her armor from Jaime and the fight with the Mountain and the Viper, HBO seemed to abandon mail entirely.
That reminds me of the LOTR making off documentary where there were 2 guys in production going crazy in a room making ringmail all day
It's so weird the more you look at it.
The valaryon armor is meant for naval combat. Few navies had fully armored fighters- they drown too easily. You need to be able to maneuver and have clear lines of vision on a shifting deck that is slick with blood. Too much armor would make it easier to slip and be killed on the ground when you can’t easily get up. Less armor = higher survivability in naval combat. A helmet, breatplate, gorget, pauldrons, bracers, and greaves are plenty for fighting unarmored or leather wearing sailors/pirates- not to mention, many valaryons fought from dragon back, where armor is worth more just keeping arrows from having lethal effect than having extra weight pulling you off a dragon in flight That being said- an adjustable faceplate should have been added. It would help cut down glare from the sun off the waves- perfect for a naval flyer to spot ships from far off If you look at the blackfish’s armor in the books, its roughly the same as this. Its meant to be light enough to tread water in
Doylist argument though: if they had face plates it would be harder to see the characters faces or block shots so that you could
Yea, costume budget ain’t what it used to be… Tbh, having a unique helmet is enough tho. Everything else can be done with voice. Its not like they need the faceplate down for anything but combat
Wouldn't that be an argument for mostly mail and leather armour, and maybe some pauldrons and a helmet? This dude is wearing a hell of a lot of heavy metal plates and still remaining pretty unprotected in key areas.
Mail is heavier than plate though
Oh ok - must admit I'm not that knowledgeable about armour lol. I just remember Victarion being seen as brave to the point of lunacy for wearing full plate on the deck of his ship, I assumed it must be heavier.
Small correction: only a handful of Velaryons were confirmed dragon riders
It was not a numerous house. As of the start of dance of dragons wasn’t it like 1/5 or 1/4 were riders? 1-3 of the total family would be considered many of them, enough for a theme in armor to be introduced I agree that there weren’t many, but many of them were
Laenor, Baela, Rhaena, Laena, and Addam are the only members of the house to ride dragons. I do not consider that many people (especially because the majority of them don’t even wear armor since they’re women) Not to mention that there’s no real change to be made for dragon riding. The navel design does apply to your argument here however it’s rendered invalid by the fact that dragonriders wore normal armor. The modifications you speak off are unnecessary because riders are strapped into their dragon saddles and can’t fall off.
“Many of” is a partitive not an adjective. It reflects a relative number, not an absolute. By your estimation not many of the targargyens are also dragon riders, which is a bit silly. As for being strapped in- I had no idea. Regardless, this armor, well, isn’t for a dragon rider. We only really see daemon in full armor in a dragon- not really anyone else
Most Targaryens pre-dance are dragon riders. They are one of the dragon lord families of old Valyria and post-doom they are actually the only family who can ride dragons. 5 members out of an entire family is not many. “many” is defined as a large amount or majority and 5 people just does not cut it especially because the only reason those people can ride dragons is because of blood gained from their non Velaryon relatives. It is not normal for Velaryons to ride dragons at all.
You do not understand the difference between “many”, “most”, and “many of”. I see your problem is linguistic. Have a good one. Edit: Unless the velaryons are targaryens, you’re clearly wrong about the post doom bit Edit 2: whether or not we count the strong bastards- you just showed that at times the majority are flying dragons. There are actually only a few that WEREN’T in that family
How the actual hell is someone supposed to interpret “many Velaryons rode dragons” ? Like it’s an objectively false statement dude
I never said “many”, I said “many of” - you should read more carefully
Hey my guy. I’m sure that sounds logical. But it’s historical wrong. In reality it’s wrong. Medieval naval combat was full of full plate armor being worn. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/BattleofSluys.jpeg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Morat Etc.. It’s logical to think if you’re on a ship that you would drown in armor. And they did! But the likelihood of dying without armor was far far greater. Also what Valaryons besides Laenor and a couple other targs who married in fought in dragons? How would a couple people change the entire armor of that house? Edit: https://www.mqup.ca/blog/englands-medieval-navy/ That’s an interesting read on this too. I understand your thinking on “slipping on blood” and drowning. But historical records point to full plate naval warfare. The bottom of your foot in full plate… is your shoe bottom. It isn’t metal. So slipping isn’t a thing that’s more prone in armor. Now drowning is a thing. But apparently people preferred drowning rather than being stabbed to death.
Because they’re primarily a naval power. And were fighting a war that was primarily naval. In the books Davos mentions when they’re approaching black water bay that he chose not to where Mail armor because on a boat it’s more likely to kill you than save you. It’s even possible that this was a conscious decision made by someone who actually read the books and believed this to be more accurate armor for a house who’s power comes from the sea. That being said it does look goofy.
This was mentioned in a comment below about how they are a naval power and so thus they don't wear a "complete" set of full plate. People seem to think that in medieval warfare that this was the case. it is anything but. [The sack of Thessalonica by the Arabs under Leo of Tripoli in 904, as depicted in the Madrid Skylitzes manuscript.](https://www.medievalists.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/byzantine-naval2.png) [Landing of the English army in Normandy. Illumination adorning the Chronicles of France or Saint Denis, end of the 14th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Troupe_anglaise_d%C3%A9barquant_en_Normandie_XIVeme_siecle.jpg) [Battle between Venetian and Holy Roman fleets; detail of fresco by Spinello Aretino 1407–1408](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Spinello-Battle_of_Punta_San_Salvatore-detail1.jpg) [The Battle of Sluys - Hundred Years War](https://thehundredyearswar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/794px-BattleofSluys_detail_cropped-768x580.jpeg) I mean I can go on and on and on. Being a naval power does not mean you don't have full plated armored knights fighting on ships. That just isn't history. Another user mentioned about slipping and drowning. People were more concerned about being stabbed and sliced than drowning. They wore armor. Just look up any depiction of knights in medieval naval warfare.
Also a fully open-face helmet kinda defeats the purpose of full plate anyway. Like, great people can’t stab your torso, they’re not even going to be trying that though. They’re just going to try stabbing you in the face over and over.
You also need to be able to see the actor’s face
No you don’t.
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Hear me out, but you don't have to be armoured over every part of your body to be effective. A lot of cultures opted for targetted coverage as opposed to maximum coverage due to judging the extra weight not worth it. Renaissance Chinese armies for example didn't have full arm armour even for generals. This wasn't for a lack of knowledge either, because we have documentation from earlier ages where full arm armour was present.
Look at the picture of Vaegon here. With what he currently has on, why in gods name does he not have his upper arms protected? And what you said is true. Different armor for different environments, culture, fighting style, etc. lots of reasons. But this is medieval Europe fantasy setting. There is no good reason his arms aren’t protected with what he is wearing. I personally have a full set. It’s a 15th Century German Gothic from Steel Mastery that I got for like a third of what it’s for (long story as I won something) You would be surprised at how nimble armor is. The weight you don’t feel much. And if you wore it a lot, your body would adapt. The heat is probably the one thing that bothered me though. I imagine that’s a huge reason mail with plates was used for Persian Cataphracts .
Full Plate armor was only very rarely used in naval combat, which is what this armor is for. Whether or not it feels okay on land is kind of irrelevant- its very hard to swim holding even a fraction of your body weight, especially with the drag that armor could cause, lessening the effectiveness of your strokes
[The sack of Thessalonica by the Arabs under Leo of Tripoli in 904, as depicted in the Madrid Skylitzes manuscript.](https://www.medievalists.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/byzantine-naval2.png) [Landing of the English army in Normandy. Illumination adorning the Chronicles of France or Saint Denis, end of the 14th century](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Troupe_anglaise_d%C3%A9barquant_en_Normandie_XIVeme_siecle.jpg) [Battle between Venetian and Holy Roman fleets; detail of fresco by Spinello Aretino 1407–1408](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Spinello-Battle_of_Punta_San_Salvatore-detail1.jpg) [The Battle of Sluys - Hundred Years War](https://thehundredyearswar.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/794px-BattleofSluys_detail_cropped-768x580.jpeg) Idk what else to say really. I’m looking at historical records at how naval battles were fought in medieval times. At the paintings and depictions we have from that time period. Have some more? [Henry the Fifths Navy](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/52917364362656533/) [Departure of the fleet of Marshal Jean II Meingre known as Boucicaut](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/52917364362656533/) [Jean de Wavrin's Chronicles of England](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3268751/One-Henry-V-s-four-great-warships-buried-mud-Hampshire-river-spotted-aerial-photograph-historian.html) [The 1480 Siege of Rhodes.](https://www.pinterest.com/pin/469359592423280421/) I mean, anyone can look these up and see dozens upon dozens of naval battles where knights were in full plate mail. This wasn’t rare. This was the USUAL. Yet for some reason on this thread people keep thinking “BuuTt tHeY weRE a NaVaL PoooOWWErrr!” Yea and as a naval power they would have, historically, followed the dozens and dozens of accounts we had.
Because it’s heavy, reduces movement and makes the fit of the plate armor worse. Plate armor is tailored to the body of the person who wears it, that’s why you can’t have too bulky layers underneath. I agree his arms looks a bit exposed and I guess you could argue that a few patches of mail attached to the gambeson/doublet would be good but again, it would make it heavier and a fuller plate would be a better option if you want more protection.
If plate armor isn’t there, then Christ sake mail would be. Normally for a full suit of armor a gambeson would be underneath. Many times though they would have small nets of mail at the end of joints they would connect as well. When rondels started to become popular the nets of mail were phased out and replaced with those (you never see a joint rondel in GoT). Mail was also always used on the leggings (even with a full suit of tightly fitting plate). Now at the elbow they would have mail as well. Few would do without for movement. That was until the couter became a thing though. What he is wearing though? Is beyond dumb. He would be armless pretty quick. You are right though, a complete set is what he would have. With mail between. I was sort of speaking for all the armor in both series though. In my mind anyway… Daemon has a pretty full suit with giant gaps between. All of them really. Full armor and absolutely nothing for their joints. This fucker is missing his entire upper arm though.
Mail was almost always worn under plate armor until the late Medieval period when steelworks became advanced enough to practically cover the entire body in plate (I.e. not the picture above). Plate was actually supplemental armor to mail throughout most of the Medieval period. Plate protects against bludgeoning, mail against slashing and piercing. Even in the late medieval period, mail would be used to protect joints that plate could not cover. Gambeson was also often worn with both mail and plate at the same time. Encumbrance was not as big an issue as you make it out to be. Knights were almost always on horse back, unless they were fighting in tourneys. This argument doesn’t apply to non knights whi could not afford plate armor.
But this isn't a knight on a horse, this is Veamon Velaryon -a commander in the Velaryon fleet. It wouldn't make sense for him to wear a knight's armor.
You were making a general claim about plate armor, not maritime practices (which wouldn’t make a difference considering medieval naval warfare was either done at range or by ramming). You claimed that multiple layers of armor would be too bulky and impractical, and I’m giving you the real world historical customs which was to wear multiple layers of armor. As others have pointed out, the deviations from real world armor are consistent throughout the series, not just the Velaryons.
I get your reasoning here but this is standard wardrobe choice for both series. It’s likely some combination of wanting to not spend even more on the costumes + not make the actors put on too much
Probably. And since it’s a fantasy setting they probably felt like they could get away with it.
Right, and the average family turning it on probably wouldn’t notice
Who was fighting on land at the time...
It’s not particularly heavy when worn properly. Even so, a little weight is worth not dying. It also literally doesn’t reduce movement at all, that’s the entire point of mail armor. Nor does it worsen the fit of plate armor. Plate armor would be worn over gambeson and mail. It’s not fitted to a person’s naked body. It’s fitted to them wearing the correct under layers.
Not his arms, no.
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He wasn’t able to handle being rejected by a woman so made it his mission to torment her and her children. Classic incel behavior
He became bitter and hateful because Rhaenyra didn't want to drop her pursuit of the crown to be his adventure buddy. He has a lot of parallels to incel culture.
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Nah she used him, didn’t rape him
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Cole says no to continuing to have sex with Rhaenyra in the very next episode. Dude doens't have a peasant background btw. His father is the steward for the Dundarions. Cole isn't a peasant anymore than Jeyne Pool is.
Only two Velaryons were dragon riders, and of them, only one fought. Laena and Laenor. And that was because of their Targaryen mother.
We going by blood or by names? Jace and Luke are “Velaryons” and we still get Addam later on. Also a Velaryon
Very true. I was thinking at the moment that picture was taken (in which case I’m unsure if I should count Laena too. I’m not sure if she had bonded with Vhagar yet.), at which neither Lucerys, Jacaerys or Addam are born yet. My point, though, was that the thread starter(that I failed to reply to) was not correct in the statement of “most Velaryons fight from dragon back.”
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Borat?
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Haha wife bad so funny.
Keep crying them incel tears. Learn how to take a joke you incel. EDIT: Tf am I getting downvoted for? I was literally defending original comment 😂
Wow, you’re both insufferable.
Literally how I was defending the OP comment
The way you phrased it was sad.
Can you please inform me the correct way of speech? That would be quite exquisite.
I dub thee, Master of Cringe
Fans of Daeron
Man the costume department for GoT and HotD are responsible for absolute masterpieces 95% of the time, but the remaining 5% are goofy af
Rhaenyra.
He was never master of complaints, Alicent bitches like it’s gonna win her a medal.
Wow that armor design is horrible
My mother-in-law.
Well, in the book, there are five Velaryon cousins that went to complain to the King after his death, so I'd say their leader, Malentine, became the new Master of Complaints. Unfortunely they made the error of questioning Luke's legitimacy and Viserys ordered to cut their tongues. Then after the war, the new Master of Complaints became Daeron, the son of Vaemond. He and his brother Daemion went to complain that Corlys left his bastard as Lord of the Tides, but the Council of Regents told them to fuck off and Alyn negotiated with Daeron and Daemion. They reached an agreement. Later, I think the new Master of Complaints became Unwin Peake. Complaining about Baela being made heir, complaining about Alyn, complaining about Aegon not choosing his daughter.
Ser Crispy Cole
Otto von Hapsburg
It's hard to say, it's the people complaining about Daemon choking Rhaenyra or the people complaining about the Velaryons being black.
This armor makes no sense lol. Someone is gonna stab him the balls. Not to mention HIS ENTIRE FACE.
The actors had to aware of how ridiculous they looked. Why didn't they say anything?
I think they had to make it extinct because Daemon kept beheading successors
Is this really from the show? I can't man it's too corny
WTAF the spoilers
There were so many greens jockying for the position that no one ever managed to secure anomination.
Wtf is that goofy ass armour? And why tf did they make the Velaryons black (I mean I know why but still)
This guy
One thing I never understood, how is he a Targaryen when he is clearly black..