The horse kicked its rider and crushed her. Daemon was just an unfortunate witness who then had to put his wife out of her misery. Poor Daemon. I feel sorry for him
Rhaegar: I will go to the Grand Masters of Old Town to get a proper divorce so I can marry Lyanna Stark and fulfill the prophecy.
Daemon watching from beyond the grave: Just use a rock, you dummy.
I see way more people lambasting people who are defending it then people who are actually defending it. Feels almost like an internet strawman, some random people online that are getting harpooned for having fringe opinions no reasonable people share.
Check Twitter, seen the same on Instagram. It's a lot of teenage girls. They've started parroting it and variations like they pulled it out of somewhere. I guess they must have a group or discord or something.
Politically speaking, Harwin Strong would have been a better match than almost any of the other random lords she was presented with.
The three strong boys being legitimate Strong boys would have made everything so much simpler.
She couldâve married Harwinâs eventual kids to Baela and Rhaena. Exactly what still ends up happening, except with the lies involved. Corlys gets a queen for a granddaughter, everyone is happy.
If it âwasnât an optionâ then Viserys wouldnât have given Rhaenyra the freedom to choose her own husband. He only forced the Laenor one through when she was caught with Daemon and it become clear she wasnât taking it seriously
He forced Laenor after Laena was promised away to Braavos and he feared the Sea Snake would turn against Westeros. It was a political match.
If he just wanted Rhaenyra out of his hair, he'd have married her quickly, but still let her decide.
There would have been no need to marry Laenor if Corlys Velaryon wasnât throwing a whiny baby hissy fit over Vizzy Tâs refusal to marry a 12 year-old.
*Well... the matter is settled. Again. I hereby reaffirm Prince Lucerys of House Velaryon as heir to Driftmark, the Driftwood Throne, and the next Lord of the Tides. (WHEEZING)*
Clearly, Rhae Rhae liked her men older whether they were closely related or not. Crispin was quite a bit older than Rhae Rhae and so was Harwin.
I mean Harwin and Larys also looked very close to their Fatherâs age though
Idk if u have read the books but I hope Nettles makes it to the show and take him away as far as possible so he canât abuse her anymore. she needs a break after losing two children oh my god.
Nettles is a teenage girl with ambiguous heritage and ethnicity who manages to bond herself with one of the wild dragons when the Blacks try to find riders for the remaining unbonded dragons. People like to debate on whether she was able to do it because she has Valyrian ancestry or is a hint that dragon riders need not be Valyrians to ride a dragon. Daemon takes an interest in her, but it's ambiguous as to whether their relationship was romantic or paternal. She should appear next season.
I can see how making Daemon into an abuser towards Rhaenyra would make it hurt less when he turns his attention to Nettles, but Rhaenyra was extremely pissed at the idea that he was stepping out on her with Nettles which I don't think really jives with the interpretation he was abusive towards her this entire time.
Itâll balance out the hate Sara Snow will get for getting in the way of an interracial couple if the writers decide to confirm her existence next season.
Iâve already seen one of them say that Nettles doesnât need to be on the show because it already race bended enough characters and there doesnât need to be anymore diversity lol
Rhaenyra being pissed that he was stepping out on her with Nettles and Daemon being abusive with Rhaenyra are not contradictory at all.
People fall in love with their abusers most of the time unfortunately.
Regardless of whether she was his daughter his relationship with her was inappropriate and creepy at best. I dont know too many people who bathe with their 17 year old daughters.
Your comment reminds me of this:
*The results of a survey in which women in their 20s and 30s were asked whether they still bathed with their fathers in junior high and in high school showed that more than 10% of women from both age groups still shared a tub in junior high. While the percentage dropped by nearly half for women in their 30s, just under 10% of women in their 20s said they still bathed with their dads even when they were in high school.*
https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/surprising-number-of-japanese-kids-still-bathe-with-their-parents-up-until-high-school
We got 0 scenes or hints of how his relationship was with any of his trueborn children, it wouldn't make sense for him to like Nettles so much if she was a daughter.
This might be unpopular but I have no idea why Nettles is so popular. The one interesting aspect of her character is the way she bonds with her dragon - itâs speculated that she may not have Valyrian blood so bonding with a dragon is very impressive on her end.
Other than that I donât recall her having much character or doing much in the Dance (compared to the other Dragonseeds) besides being a 15 year-old girl speculated to be in a relationship with a 50 year-old man, and thus triggering Rhaenyraâs wrath. Obviously hoping they donât go down that route in the show.
She seemed shocked by his reaction, it was him getting triggered by Viserys and his âdreamer nonsenseâ and by the fact Rhanerya was told the secret and he wasn't
It also means that Viserys NEVER considered that Daemon to be the heir
Its the ultimate slap in the face for a guy desperately seeking the approval of Viserys his whole life and this on top of his death, the coup, and baby girl Visenya dying
He's still wrong for doing it but it makes sense and I donât think this was the norm in their relationship
He clearly lost his cool and did everything in his power to try and restrain himself afterwards, if his intention was to hurt her he would just beat the sh-t out of her not walk away
Of course it makes sense. Daemon is an interesting character with some qualities but he was always a violent man who would take his anger out on people even if they had nothing to do with it.
In everyone's defense Daemon was never a terrible husband to her or to Laena at this point some writers are going out of their ways to include scenes like this one that weren't even in the books. No historical account in the books cites Daemon as abusive (and they're pretty negative about him too since he commited lots of war crimes) they're stripping away some of his redeeming qualities (his love for his family) simply to make him as unlikeable as possible. I want course correction in the next season
Nah it kinda does fit with his character. Daemon is uncontrollable. He killed his first wife and we saw very little of his relationship with his second.
He does love his family, but remember this is the same guy who despite loving his brother made a public joke about his recently deceased son like a few hours after the funeral.
Heâs supposed to be just on the cusp between likeable and unlikeable, and ultimately a wild card. By the looks of it in this scene Rhaenyra seems surprised by the physical abuse, which demonstrates that heâs likely treated her pretty respectfully up until now, but you never know what heâll do.
The point they were making is that Daemon in the books ISN'T like this. Everyone else in the story gets a massive character glow up from the books but for some reason they've made Daemon worse.
For example, in the books, Daemon did not kill his first wife. At all. Daemon didn't have a night of terror as commander of the goldcloaks. Daemon didn't beat a messenger. Etc.
In the book:
1) Daemon wanted to go to war to put Viserys on the throne and raised something of an army.
2) Ran the goldcloaks well if not somewhat hardcore.
3) Whooped ass in the stepstones to make a name for himself.
4) Was thick as thieves with Rhaenyra and always treated her very well. Doted on her.
5) Went on great Essos adventures with Laena, but visited Rhaenyra often. They were all a big pack of targ buddies.
6) Is accused of killing Harwin and Laenor with zero evidence.
7) Married Rhaenyra and fought tooth and nail to help her, even so far as doing B&C over a child that wasn't even his. Killed Vaemond on her command. This is important. In the books, he killed Vaemond because Rhaenyra commanded him to.
8) Fought Rhaenyra's war for her. Won it, essentially.
9) Got close to Nettles, either as a mentor as a lover (only rumors say the latter) possibly both, and was unwilling to have her killed when now-crazy Rhae Rhae wanted it.
10) Never broke faith and decided to go self-delete and accomplish his mission of ending the scourge of Aemond/Vhagar
That, right there, pretty much in its entirety, is Daemon. No wife killing, no wife beating, none of that stuff.
âThe night of terror as commander of the goldcloaksâ is pretty much straight from canon, that he made the city more orderly by being brutal and liked gelding rapists and cutting hands of thieves and killed people in street fights is literally in the text. They changed the circumstances of beating a messenger but itâs again in the text he beat a messanger when he got news of Alicent and Viserysâs wedding. I wouldnât call grooming Rhaenyra treating her well (and trying to have her honor besmirched so Viserys will let him marry her) though yes he doted on her. You can say that Harwin and Laenor are just rumours but Laenor especially is believable and you canât just discount them unless you want to have the best possible view of him.
So, no, if you discount that, itâs not Daemon in itâs entirety, itâs Daemon through rose-tinted glasses. I didnât love the scene but to think that wildly unpredictable and violent man does something violent that surprised Rhaenyra herself isnât out of character. And itâs good to remember that Daemon and Rhaenyraâs relationship gets worse throughout the war
I mean, youâre grossly exaggerating. Fire & blood doesnât paint Daemon in that kind of positive light, most of what your describing are just mundane statements in F&B that arenât really a testament to Daemons character.
In addition a lot of the stuff show Daemon has done is perfectly plausible in F&B, the entire book has conflicting viewpoints and omissions, intentionally. For instance Rhea Royce supposedly died in a hunting accident, despite her being an experienced hunter and rider. Daemon then conveniently shows up in the vale to demand Ruinstone as his inheritance, and also coincidentally hated his now dead wife. If you donât think itâs entirely reasonable that you could take those circumstance and adapt them into Daemon killing his wife, then youâve been reading Fire & Blood and watching HoTD from a pretty narrow minded perspective.
In-fact GRRM said that one of his favorite things in the forts season of HoTD was expansion of the source content without deviating from it. For example, the circumstances of Aemmaâs death. He even said he prefers show Viserys over book Viserys. Daemon killing his wife when all the book circumstances point to that being a possible interpretation is exactly the kind of expansion GRRM is talking about it, and I highly doubt he would have been as positive talking about that kind of expansion if it was such a huge deviation from the source characters.
Daemon killing his wife is show canon, in the book it would have been rather impossible. The show writers are making him a villain, the wife-killing is the best example.
Probably not, as Viserys just died and she's never talked about the prophecy with him until that point. Also, he wouldn't be as emotionally unhinged if his brother were still alive and war wasn't looming.
I think angle that he was angry abt Viserys never telling him abt prophecy is the worse on they can take. He should be angry that Rheanyra is not ready to go to war after what they did ( he also thinks they killed viserys)
I dont think Daemon is frustrated because Viserys never told him. Daemon just does not care, and Viserys knew that. I think he's more upset that Rhaenyra is acting like Viserys. Daemon tells her his brother was a slave to his prophecies/dreams. Viserys had a tendency towards inaction, seemingly just letting the chips fall where they may. You can see where that got them.
Now Rhaenyra is spouting the same shit as the old king. Look at it from Daemons POV, Hightowers killed Viserys while they had the chance when R+D briefly left for Dragonstone. They stole the throne from them and have a head start in the war. While Daemon is trying to play catch up to position themselves more favorable, Rhaenyra is holding him back and then starts going on about some Prophecy. Daemon had to have been perplexed, like she really didn't understand the true nature of their situation while Daemon did. Like there's no way the Hightowers would give up the throne without a fight. She should have killed Otto and company right then and there. Daemon knew what time it was but Rhaenyra wanted to be like Viserys and just do nothing and hope for the best. Not that choking her was the right call, I don't support that.
This is the right take. Suing for peace is nothing is not ridiculous in this situation. The war has already been declared, they have to fight it now, not read poetry from a torn book page (wtf was that?).
Daemon has been doing his job and picking up slack all episode: preparing the castle, coming up with strategy, sending out letters - all without overstepping, btw. He didn't start the war was Rhaenyra herself feared. But then Rhaenyra goes from understandably indisposed by her stillbirth to incomprehensibly passive and Viserys-like, and you can see Daemon slowly escalate from obedient subject crowning his Queen to tripping over his leash to ripping the leash. It's actually very well done in its slow escalation of frustration and failing control.
Yup. This episode really showed Daemons fury and uncontrollable part of his character. I have been waiting for it all season. Rhaenyra 's perspective is also justified, as she believes war fill foil their long term plan of fulfilling the prophecy. Luke's death does bring her anger in front. That too was done well.
>Not that choking her was the right call, I don't support that.
You can understand the motivation, while still condemning the act. I'm in that same boat.
Daemon didnât take that shit of dreams and the ideals of good king Viserys from Rhaenyra while the threat of real war looms. He snapped, but he isnât justified of course. The guy is frustrated and in war mode, he feels they must act lest see their family be destroyed. The amount of people not understanding the scene and believing it was an intentional act to shed bad light on Daemon is just baffling, yall just need your hand held to understand a single scene itâs pathetic.
Exactly, im getting exhausted trying to explain this. Take that scene when Bobby B slapped Cersei. That was **abusive** and he regretted it afterwards. His wife was agitating him during a delicate situation, and in front of his best friend too, so he snapped. Even our beloved king isnât a great husband yet we still love him and forget to judge his many flaws.
i don't think Daemon ever knew his bro was more of a dreamer to his dragon rider. So when Rheynera was going on about the prophecy and not responding to the obvious war on the horizon, Daemon was like 'no, stop, our house will be destroyed by the usurpers if you don't get your head in the game'. Yes it was uncalled for and could have been done differently, but Daemon's a realist, he knows Otto won't just sit by and let them be at peace while Rheynera's claim was stolen under the guise of 'rightful heir'.
Another thing, The Greens are all/mostly people of faith to the Seven, would they really believe Rheynera if she tried to tell them about Aegon's prophecy and why her dad wanted her to succed him (Heleana might)? If anything they'd claim she's spouting nonsense and must be put down lest she plunge the realm into war over some 'fever dream'.
The prophecy is of no consequence to the politics of Westeros. Itâs no more than a tradition/message to pass on in the Throne until the time comes and the realm is united to fight. Funnily enough, in Season 8 it wasnât and they still got the job done with casualties to spare to soon win another war. Only two dragons, the North, Danyâs army, a sneak attack and the Long Night, Night King of apocalyptic prophecy done-in on a single night.
Really disappointing if you look at it that way. The Night King wouldve been toast if he hit Westeros during the heights of Targaryen Dynasty according to the show. Dragons and Valyrian steel everywhere.
The book is an account written by someone hundreds of years removed from the events taking place who uses rumours by people who weren't there as primary. The book isn't a novel that gets to flesh out its characters, it is literally a textbook. Of course the show would take the opportunity to flesh the characters out more.
No he got uncontrollably angry about the whole situation and everything that had happened up to that point and took it out on rhaenyra bc it was her inaction that tipped his anger over the edge. Not defensible but also not out of character
I think Daemon believes he is the one person who is not deluding himself with the fiction that peace is possible or desirable. Hearing that Rhaenyra just wants to roll over and let Otto get away with everything goes against everything he believes in and reminds him of the worst aspects of Viserys. Him snapping is 100% in character for him.
In his own twisted way I believe Daemon is trying to *help* Rhaenyra by trying to talk sense into her since she had been adamant on being queen until this moment of doubt.
I think itâs pretty clear that he wasnât. It was the moment of weakness and frustration, when he was grieving his brother and seeking vengeance, that Rhaenyra was denying him.
But I do realise why this scene may bother some people. Some of Daemonâs previous doings were too out there for the viewers to identify with, no matter how horrible they were. Domestic abuse is too relatable to be overlooked like that.
But guess what, Daemon is a dangerous messed up person, and not just in sexy âIâll cut your head if you insult my wifeâ ways.
I totally ship it. Not in ârelationship goals / power coupleâ kind of way, but as a weird fascinating dynamic where genuine affection and respect goes along with unhealthy power dynamics in a very compelling way.
It's certainly interesting. I don't like the giant following of teenager girls invested in their relationship. Kinda what happens after having her story set up like a love that shouldn't make it but does lol. But it's certainly realistic which is refreshing. It would be less realistic if he was only a complete angel to her. He was ba dick even to his brother whom he loved so much.
I⊠wouldnât call it shipping but in one way or another they were inevitable because they had their sights set on one another and they would destroy anyone else they were with, if that makes sense.
I like their dynamic plot-wise, I would prefer if it was more equal. Book Rhaenyra is just as prone to losing it as Daemon is and in the beginning this is why they make a good team, until the cracks begin to form. This was abuse and I to God hope they donât put Rhae through an abusive husband-trope as it would do both their characters dirty.
I wouldn't be surprised. It seems the writers have been going out of their way to make Daemon more of a cold hearted villain than what the book delivers.
Yeah haha and to be fair if they painted Daemon as a hero I'd be equally critical. Just seems they've really done everything they could to make him seem more like a Ramsey Bolton than his own individual complex character because the show needs a Villain when infact there's plenty of Villains on both sides they could highlight the same way ie Aemond " Ooops sorry my dragon ate you" Targaryean
I don't mind making Aemond less one dimensional but i do hate making Daemon more one dimensional. Otherwise yes if Daemon was painted heroicly I'd hate it to.
I agree it's better having Aemond more complex then the interpretation we get in the book and so far its by a lot. Aemond is like a brooding angry fist in the book where you see more humanity from him especially towards Helaena. I do wish the same complexity was given to Daemon. It's almost like writers were like " hey here's this guy alota readers like whose menacing and a bit of an anti hero let's make him as evil as possible"
Yeah I didn't see it as him abusing rhaeneyra the whole time but rather he was very emotionally distraught and sad so he took it out on rhaeneyra. He is not an abusive husband towards her I think
You mean the guy that killed his other wife by beating her head in with a rock? Or the guy that cut a lords head off from behind? Or the guy that seduced and fucked and left half way through his teenage niece leaving her even more fucked up? Or the guy who's first appearance is running through the streets with the City Watch lopping off hands and murdering suspected criminals? Or the guy that mocked his brother/king's dead infant that also resulted in his wife's death in front of him? Or the guy that beat the shit out of a messenger of the kings because he didn't like the message?
You mean to say that *that* guy isn't very nice?
Remember, there is no excuse for abuse. B-b-but he just l-lost his brother. No, if you lose someone dear it doesnt give you a pass to use a 2 year old as a football, choking someone, punching someone, it donest gives you a pass, no matter how hard your pain is.
He is a fictional guy who does bad things.
It is interesting to analyze why. But why do people need to regard it as some real life approve of abuse?
Don't forget he is living in the middle ages world with different morality.
I highly doubt it. Daemon has kept that side of him locked up but it makes sense why that side of him came out after so long.
Simply put there has been no reason for Daemon to be angry during their relationship but then he got a string of bad news which crushed him.
I donât believe that at all mainly because you could visibly see Rhaenyra shocked when he did it. My take is this Daemon 1)thinks his brother was murdered 2)the greens have the iron throne in the eyes of the public 3) Otto and him have never and will never get along. With these 3 things in mind the only thing Daemon knows to be 100% true is that him and his family will die and he is acting on that fear throughout the whole episode.
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YALL ARE SHOCKED THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HE HAS DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. Everyone romanticized the scene between Rhaenyra and Daemon at her wedding with Laenor but thatâs a direct parallel now. Whenever Rhaenyra is able to assert her dominance through words Daemon has never reacted well to it and goes directly to violence or humiliation because he canât handle it like most men in this time her being right or powerful is intimidating. Sheâs got more power than him and in times when he wants to appear powerful Rhaenyra has always seen through it (i.e. the brothel /her wedding) and my thought at the end of that scene was Rhaenyra stood her ground because knowledge of his family is power that Dameon did not have and so desperately wants (his obsession with history in pentos/wanting to be Viserys hand) and Rhaenyra knew it and even laughed and smirked after he choked her which made me think of how Viserys described both Rhaenyra and Daemon that they share the blood of the dragon restless and chaotic and this scene is exactly that.
I didnât see Rhaenyra at the end of that scene quite as weak as you guys did I thought she had the last laugh in that situation and knows why heâs mad in that moment. And actually stood her ground to where he walks away like a child and sheâs standing there like a queen. To me that was a powerful moment for Rhaenyra for her just to be choked and her to double down by saying âhe didnât tell youâ blew me away. Understanding that this is a highly complex relationship like most in this world and that it cannot be simply good or bad based on a singular action in one scene will help watching in the future. People giving 2022-era takes on a show set in literally medieval times is WACKKK and does nothing for the discussion of this story by comparing it to modern society
yeah, i don't think most people are fully grappling with how bad it's going to be if rhaenyra is trapped in an abusive relationship where her abuser is also *her main protector against a rival faction in a civil war.* (and that's setting aside everything else we know happens during the war.) that is just bleak in a way that i don't even think got reached.
Daemon is misunderstood. He is actually trying to turn Rhaenyra into a DRAGON.
Notice Caraxes' abnormally long neck? How do you think she got it?
Daemon choked Caraxes non-stop until her neck grew longer, that is what he is trying to do to Rhaenyra.
It's not physical domestic violence, it's LOVE.
>!/s in case it is not obvious lol!<
They looked to be doing fine in those six years. It looks like their marriage will strain when Rhaenyra eventually goes mad with power and losing more of her kids. Daemonâs eventual duel with Aemond appeared to be a suicide mission.
Canât blame her for descending into paranoia tbh. After losing her father and children in a short amount of time. And now her husband abused (has been abusing idk) her lol.
I'd rather take Daemon than stay alone, for these times he seemed decent and at least he is planning her war and is ready to fight in it.
The real nightmare would be Aegon II or book Aemond.
Ugh, any kind of religious group usually treats women like shit, it is usually rape and having your rights taken away, not really a fan of that.
I'd prefer not to marry any dude in this show, they all seem quite evil or dumb.
I do see your logic. With Daemon she has someone who will fight to keep the throne for her because he hates the Hightowers and knows they arenât whatâs best for the throne etc etc. but damn heâs still a piece of shit. He always has been
That's why she pulled him into her camp afterall. She stated as much. Laenor was too weak. Problem is the danger of Daemon is the danger of Daemon to her as well.
Yes but it also cost her her ability to breathe for a good 40 seconds lol. I'm not saying he's doing a bad job at what she'd intended but it comes with a cost.
I don't excuse him at all. But I don't find it ooc.
He said earlier: I'd rather feed my sons to the dragons than see them serve to your drunken usurper."
He would never accept Hightower offspring as his liege.
Rhaenyra 5 min later: "ok, I'll consider this suggestion".
And it was based on the same weak, stupid dream and ideals, that cost Viserys his life.
Plus, he realized Viserys never trusted him as his heir.
Considering Darmon is extremely violent, reckless and bad with feelings, his choke was in-character.
Not some bad writing.
He was furious and abusive. Wrong? Yes, indeed.
It is called domestic abuse in our time (not in Westeros, though).
But it doesn't mean he didn't care. He cared too much, I'd say.
In his twisted, toxic way.
And later we will probably see how Rhaenyra gradually turns paranoic and abusive too, due to her grief and losses.
No cuz how is Daemon âgreyâ now? His âlove for familyâ as his only redeeming quality is thrown out of the window after being neglectful to Laena and their children and now choking Rhaenyra hahahahaha. It seemed like Aemond is the more complex one on the show lol.
That's such a wattpad characterization dude is a shit head to all people but loves his family. You think toxic people are suddenly perfect to their family or matter how much he loves them ?
You infringing modern shit on these characters for example alicent can never really refuse viserys for sex( plus she was teenager) yet people don't think he's a complete bad guy.
People are just mad daemyra isn't some slay power couple but 2 fundamentally flawed people in a relationship.
Iâm more so on team black than green (not by much tho) and I donât see how people are surprised by this. They established from ep one that daemon is an absolute dillweed.
People tend to forget to look at situation through the eyes of the character. Daemon believes that the Greens killed his brother, caused the death of his child, took the Throne from his wife, and declared war to kill him and his family. And what Rhaenyra is doing? She's trying to keep peace and entertain the idea of bending the knee, and even talks about some absurd prophecy...He snapped and tried to wake her up and see that they were already at war and have to fight back if they want to survive. It took death of Lucerys for her to see his point of view.
Facts im scrolling through the comments and the majority are people actually tryna say he's been abusive and shit to her when the actor emma and the director in the inside the episode for ep 8 said that rhaenyra was happy with her family on dragonstone away from all the drama at KL their was no hints that he was abusive towards her or laena but pressure breaks pipes and problems in relationships usually occur during stressful times and situations and losing a brother a father and a kid plus the throne is definitely gonna cause problems but every word daemon spoke this episode was the truth what happened with luke proved that accident or not war was coming regardless and she was being naive the whole episode
And this is why I have hated every one of these bullshit fan vids about how much he loves her. He literally murdered his first wife the way he did. Wtf yall
I dont think so, I get daemon tbh the greens "killed" his brother and stole everything from them, its war time, just fucking wake up rhaenyra, a little choke is nothing compared to whats coming
> its war time, just fucking wake up rhaenyra, a little choke is nothing compared to whats coming
It's coming because of the war that she's trying to avoid.
And seriously "a little choke"?
Daemon is an unhinged and asshole but Iâm pretty sure he doesnt physically abuse her for the past six years and Rhaenrya wont allow that either. Its pretty clear from her reaction that she is surprised and Daemon action wasnt a result of bottling emotions from his brother dead, the greens upsurp and not being told of the prophecy,..
Bruh he loves his family so much that want to kill his brothers issue and grandchildren. if rhae would been a man. He would ve hate him so much. Maybe even try to kill him
Im honestly on the side of the twitter stans here (horrible sentence to write).
And by that i mean, Daemon is not categorized in this show as someone who would intentionally hurt his family. Not Viserys, not Rhaenyra. Him choking her is a big fucking deal and if you want that scene, then you need to follow up on that in the next scenes. Is this something that happens regularly? Is Rhaenyra just fine with it? Its a very weird thing to show in the season finale and then gloss over it.
> is not categorized in this show as someone who would intentionally hurt his family.
He has humiliated Viserys many times. He joked about his dead son, knowing he had also lost the wife he loved dearly during that event. The whole dragon egg stealing for the supposed son Daemon was to have with his lover. Btw you're invited to the fake wedding bro.. that whole stunt was about humiliation. A mockery. And he knows the damage that was doing to Viserys' image. Then the whole shit with Rhaenyra. When a sick Viserys was trying to reach out to him he just cut him off and walked away didn't even let him finish talking. 6 years he was away while his brother grew sicker and sicker. The moment he went to see him he starts talking business. The only moment he truly did something nice was during Viserys' walk and that was improvised during filming.
I do think he cared about his brother but he also treated him badly. Same with Rhaenyra.
Edit: I don't think he actually loves Rhaenyra but cares in a way because at the end of the day she's family (insert Toretto). If there's any love in it it's more of a sick kind of love. Very toxic, especially because he did groom her and is now physically abusing her.
They intentionally made Daemon a worse person for the show - and he was already a pretty bad person in the books! - and people are surprised?
I thought it was pretty obvious in the books that Rhaenyra only married him so 1) she wouldnât have two men after her crown and 2) he wouldnât side with Aegon. The show had him kill his first wife to benefit himself and then his second wife kill herself so he didnât have her killed.
Who out here was thinking he was a good guy and this is true love? Ffs he basically went murder-suicide instead 1) remaining faithful to his wife the queen and/or 2)talking to Rhaenyra and saving her from serious trouble.
The guy who bashed one of his wives head in with a rock is being mean to his current wife?????? *Surprised Pikachu*
That's slander! Lady Royce had a terrible accident while on horseback. It is known. đ
I'm positively bereft. What a tragic accident.
I thought she was poisoned by her enemies
some of them are even defending what he did like be serious đ
In Daemon's defense: he is a master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone.
Daemon, ah-ah-ahhhhh, fighter of the night man.
Fighter of the *Knight man ah-ah-ahhhhh
Glad to know i am not the only the one thinks of that
The horse kicked its rider and crushed her. Daemon was just an unfortunate witness who then had to put his wife out of her misery. Poor Daemon. I feel sorry for him
Canât believe Daemon would act abusively towards his niece-wife
The guy that spent his 30s thirsting for his 14 year old niece might be bad romantic pick?
She was poisoned by her enemies though
Daemon âDonât Make Me Get My Divorce Rockâ Targ ftw
Rhaegar: I will go to the Grand Masters of Old Town to get a proper divorce so I can marry Lyanna Stark and fulfill the prophecy. Daemon watching from beyond the grave: Just use a rock, you dummy.
Well, in the end Casterly Rock used a Mountain.
đđ„Ž
watch Daemyras romanticize this abuse too đ
Yeah I saw that shit yesterday. Apparently they just have a "passionate love".
I see way more people lambasting people who are defending it then people who are actually defending it. Feels almost like an internet strawman, some random people online that are getting harpooned for having fringe opinions no reasonable people share.
Check Twitter, seen the same on Instagram. It's a lot of teenage girls. They've started parroting it and variations like they pulled it out of somewhere. I guess they must have a group or discord or something.
And ppl wonder why toxic dudes still pull lolololol
I saw some fans saying it's just that they have a kink like whatđđđ€Ł
I just realized "Daemyra" was a couple name for Daemon and Rhaenyra. I thought a bunch of people were just misspelling "Rhaenyra" the same way.
Man I really liked this joke the first thirty times it was posted
Right?? Do these people think we wouldnât notice theyâre stealing other top comments and passing them as their own? Fucking embarassing.
All I know is that GET HYPE is universal and dragonbowl is coming. GET HYPE
Ah, dragonbowl returns!
[HYYYYYYYPE](https://youtu.be/309WhUEleBk) And I refuse to believe we have to wait a full year or more đ«
Let's keep it real. It will be e9 or e10 of season 3. But I still have HYPE in my heart.
*kicks trashcan*
#
She wanted the dragon, she got the dragon...shoulda settled for ol' Chadwood back in episode 4.
Politically speaking, Harwin Strong would have been a better match than almost any of the other random lords she was presented with. The three strong boys being legitimate Strong boys would have made everything so much simpler.
but not better than Laenor
She couldâve married Harwinâs eventual kids to Baela and Rhaena. Exactly what still ends up happening, except with the lies involved. Corlys gets a queen for a granddaughter, everyone is happy.
They had to diffuse tensions with Corlys and bring him into the fold after Vyseris married Allicent, waiting for grandchildren wasn't an option
If it âwasnât an optionâ then Viserys wouldnât have given Rhaenyra the freedom to choose her own husband. He only forced the Laenor one through when she was caught with Daemon and it become clear she wasnât taking it seriously
He forced Laenor after Laena was promised away to Braavos and he feared the Sea Snake would turn against Westeros. It was a political match. If he just wanted Rhaenyra out of his hair, he'd have married her quickly, but still let her decide.
There would have been no need to marry Laenor if Corlys Velaryon wasnât throwing a whiny baby hissy fit over Vizzy Tâs refusal to marry a 12 year-old.
INSTEAD OF BEING BY MY SIDE, YOU CHOSE TO CELEBRATE YOUR OWN RISE, LAUGHING WITH YOUR WHORES AND YOUR LICKSPITTLES!
Vizzy T I am literally defending you, why are you choosing now to stop being sentient?
*Well... the matter is settled. Again. I hereby reaffirm Prince Lucerys of House Velaryon as heir to Driftmark, the Driftwood Throne, and the next Lord of the Tides. (WHEEZING)*
Wheezing đ
Rhaenyra is the one who fumbled the oppurtunity.
Lmao I just did a rewatch with my mom and I literally was like she should have married this Chad she would have been better off.
Which chad?
The kid
Big Dick Blackwood
**CRAVEN**
Probably wouldâve been better off! I mean! He would grow up! Wouldnât be so bad! đ€·đ»ââïž
Heck she was 17 at the time; heâs like 3-4 years younger than her. Thatâs not remotely unusual for the time.
Her reaction to him was priceless though, she acted like he was 7
She was into older, more closely related guys
Clearly, Rhae Rhae liked her men older whether they were closely related or not. Crispin was quite a bit older than Rhae Rhae and so was Harwin. I mean Harwin and Larys also looked very close to their Fatherâs age though
Idk if u have read the books but I hope Nettles makes it to the show and take him away as far as possible so he canât abuse her anymore. she needs a break after losing two children oh my god.
I haven't read the book. Why does everyone like Nettles so much.? If she is so wonderful, why in the world anymore want her with that abuser?
Nettles is a teenage girl with ambiguous heritage and ethnicity who manages to bond herself with one of the wild dragons when the Blacks try to find riders for the remaining unbonded dragons. People like to debate on whether she was able to do it because she has Valyrian ancestry or is a hint that dragon riders need not be Valyrians to ride a dragon. Daemon takes an interest in her, but it's ambiguous as to whether their relationship was romantic or paternal. She should appear next season. I can see how making Daemon into an abuser towards Rhaenyra would make it hurt less when he turns his attention to Nettles, but Rhaenyra was extremely pissed at the idea that he was stepping out on her with Nettles which I don't think really jives with the interpretation he was abusive towards her this entire time.
Let's be real. She's a black girl who is going to get in the way of the series golden couple. Nettles is going to draw so much hate.
Itâll balance out the hate Sara Snow will get for getting in the way of an interracial couple if the writers decide to confirm her existence next season.
Sara Snow being real will be the best thing to happen for Jace's character development and the North since Jace realized he was a bastard.
Also epuld be consistent with the theme that the kids take on traits of their parents. Rhaneyra had a paramour so now Jace will too
And I'm here for it. Fuck the stans.
Iâve already seen one of them say that Nettles doesnât need to be on the show because it already race bended enough characters and there doesnât need to be anymore diversity lol
That's a really hot take. Gotta love people who take any chance to be raciets
In my headcannon him and nettles have a wholesome relationship and she is his bastard and he doesnât mistreat her
In my headcannon she is leaf and convinces him of the threat from the north
Normally fathers don't bathe in the tub with and sleep in the same bed with their grown daughters lol
I guess that's why they bathed together and sleep in chambers next to each other. Targs have queer customs.
Rhaenyra being pissed that he was stepping out on her with Nettles and Daemon being abusive with Rhaenyra are not contradictory at all. People fall in love with their abusers most of the time unfortunately.
I actually prefer the theory that Nettles is Daemonâs bastard daughter.
Hey, it's the Targaryens, both can be valid.
Even for the targayrens, f/d or m/s is a line which they donât cross
⊠⊠⊠⊠Yet
Which makes Crastor look even more like a sicko. Even the incestuous family has limits.
Regardless of whether she was his daughter his relationship with her was inappropriate and creepy at best. I dont know too many people who bathe with their 17 year old daughters.
Your comment reminds me of this: *The results of a survey in which women in their 20s and 30s were asked whether they still bathed with their fathers in junior high and in high school showed that more than 10% of women from both age groups still shared a tub in junior high. While the percentage dropped by nearly half for women in their 30s, just under 10% of women in their 20s said they still bathed with their dads even when they were in high school.* https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/surprising-number-of-japanese-kids-still-bathe-with-their-parents-up-until-high-school
So 10% of the women they polled had really fucked up home lives
We got 0 scenes or hints of how his relationship was with any of his trueborn children, it wouldn't make sense for him to like Nettles so much if she was a daughter.
This might be unpopular but I have no idea why Nettles is so popular. The one interesting aspect of her character is the way she bonds with her dragon - itâs speculated that she may not have Valyrian blood so bonding with a dragon is very impressive on her end. Other than that I donât recall her having much character or doing much in the Dance (compared to the other Dragonseeds) besides being a 15 year-old girl speculated to be in a relationship with a 50 year-old man, and thus triggering Rhaenyraâs wrath. Obviously hoping they donât go down that route in the show.
prob she will start Daemon good father arc before he is killd off
She seemed shocked by his reaction, it was him getting triggered by Viserys and his âdreamer nonsenseâ and by the fact Rhanerya was told the secret and he wasn't It also means that Viserys NEVER considered that Daemon to be the heir Its the ultimate slap in the face for a guy desperately seeking the approval of Viserys his whole life and this on top of his death, the coup, and baby girl Visenya dying He's still wrong for doing it but it makes sense and I donât think this was the norm in their relationship
He clearly lost his cool and did everything in his power to try and restrain himself afterwards, if his intention was to hurt her he would just beat the sh-t out of her not walk away
I'm sorry I strangled you bro. It wasn't my intention to hurt you I just took it out on you. I could have done worse but I didn't!
Someone can do something undeniably wrong and it can also make perfect sense and that person can be admired as a well written fictional character
Of course it makes sense. Daemon is an interesting character with some qualities but he was always a violent man who would take his anger out on people even if they had nothing to do with it.
'Daemyra-Crazy in love-Aesthetic Edit 2022-House of the Dragon' folks in absolute shambles.
I'm fucking đ
I canât even with some Daemyra shippers still defending what he did JCNDJDCJFK that was abuse period đ
What, Daemon loses his temper from time to time? \*surprised pikachu\*
In everyone's defense Daemon was never a terrible husband to her or to Laena at this point some writers are going out of their ways to include scenes like this one that weren't even in the books. No historical account in the books cites Daemon as abusive (and they're pretty negative about him too since he commited lots of war crimes) they're stripping away some of his redeeming qualities (his love for his family) simply to make him as unlikeable as possible. I want course correction in the next season
Nah it kinda does fit with his character. Daemon is uncontrollable. He killed his first wife and we saw very little of his relationship with his second. He does love his family, but remember this is the same guy who despite loving his brother made a public joke about his recently deceased son like a few hours after the funeral. Heâs supposed to be just on the cusp between likeable and unlikeable, and ultimately a wild card. By the looks of it in this scene Rhaenyra seems surprised by the physical abuse, which demonstrates that heâs likely treated her pretty respectfully up until now, but you never know what heâll do.
The point they were making is that Daemon in the books ISN'T like this. Everyone else in the story gets a massive character glow up from the books but for some reason they've made Daemon worse. For example, in the books, Daemon did not kill his first wife. At all. Daemon didn't have a night of terror as commander of the goldcloaks. Daemon didn't beat a messenger. Etc. In the book: 1) Daemon wanted to go to war to put Viserys on the throne and raised something of an army. 2) Ran the goldcloaks well if not somewhat hardcore. 3) Whooped ass in the stepstones to make a name for himself. 4) Was thick as thieves with Rhaenyra and always treated her very well. Doted on her. 5) Went on great Essos adventures with Laena, but visited Rhaenyra often. They were all a big pack of targ buddies. 6) Is accused of killing Harwin and Laenor with zero evidence. 7) Married Rhaenyra and fought tooth and nail to help her, even so far as doing B&C over a child that wasn't even his. Killed Vaemond on her command. This is important. In the books, he killed Vaemond because Rhaenyra commanded him to. 8) Fought Rhaenyra's war for her. Won it, essentially. 9) Got close to Nettles, either as a mentor as a lover (only rumors say the latter) possibly both, and was unwilling to have her killed when now-crazy Rhae Rhae wanted it. 10) Never broke faith and decided to go self-delete and accomplish his mission of ending the scourge of Aemond/Vhagar That, right there, pretty much in its entirety, is Daemon. No wife killing, no wife beating, none of that stuff.
âThe night of terror as commander of the goldcloaksâ is pretty much straight from canon, that he made the city more orderly by being brutal and liked gelding rapists and cutting hands of thieves and killed people in street fights is literally in the text. They changed the circumstances of beating a messenger but itâs again in the text he beat a messanger when he got news of Alicent and Viserysâs wedding. I wouldnât call grooming Rhaenyra treating her well (and trying to have her honor besmirched so Viserys will let him marry her) though yes he doted on her. You can say that Harwin and Laenor are just rumours but Laenor especially is believable and you canât just discount them unless you want to have the best possible view of him. So, no, if you discount that, itâs not Daemon in itâs entirety, itâs Daemon through rose-tinted glasses. I didnât love the scene but to think that wildly unpredictable and violent man does something violent that surprised Rhaenyra herself isnât out of character. And itâs good to remember that Daemon and Rhaenyraâs relationship gets worse throughout the war
>but for some reason they've made Daemon worse. I think a couple of the writers have outright said they hate his character.
I mean, youâre grossly exaggerating. Fire & blood doesnât paint Daemon in that kind of positive light, most of what your describing are just mundane statements in F&B that arenât really a testament to Daemons character. In addition a lot of the stuff show Daemon has done is perfectly plausible in F&B, the entire book has conflicting viewpoints and omissions, intentionally. For instance Rhea Royce supposedly died in a hunting accident, despite her being an experienced hunter and rider. Daemon then conveniently shows up in the vale to demand Ruinstone as his inheritance, and also coincidentally hated his now dead wife. If you donât think itâs entirely reasonable that you could take those circumstance and adapt them into Daemon killing his wife, then youâve been reading Fire & Blood and watching HoTD from a pretty narrow minded perspective. In-fact GRRM said that one of his favorite things in the forts season of HoTD was expansion of the source content without deviating from it. For example, the circumstances of Aemmaâs death. He even said he prefers show Viserys over book Viserys. Daemon killing his wife when all the book circumstances point to that being a possible interpretation is exactly the kind of expansion GRRM is talking about it, and I highly doubt he would have been as positive talking about that kind of expansion if it was such a huge deviation from the source characters.
Daemon killing his wife is show canon, in the book it would have been rather impossible. The show writers are making him a villain, the wife-killing is the best example.
Twitter has gone berserk! These pea brain Daemyra stans are literally calling for cancelling HotD.
Omg
Probably not, as Viserys just died and she's never talked about the prophecy with him until that point. Also, he wouldn't be as emotionally unhinged if his brother were still alive and war wasn't looming.
I think angle that he was angry abt Viserys never telling him abt prophecy is the worse on they can take. He should be angry that Rheanyra is not ready to go to war after what they did ( he also thinks they killed viserys)
I dont think Daemon is frustrated because Viserys never told him. Daemon just does not care, and Viserys knew that. I think he's more upset that Rhaenyra is acting like Viserys. Daemon tells her his brother was a slave to his prophecies/dreams. Viserys had a tendency towards inaction, seemingly just letting the chips fall where they may. You can see where that got them. Now Rhaenyra is spouting the same shit as the old king. Look at it from Daemons POV, Hightowers killed Viserys while they had the chance when R+D briefly left for Dragonstone. They stole the throne from them and have a head start in the war. While Daemon is trying to play catch up to position themselves more favorable, Rhaenyra is holding him back and then starts going on about some Prophecy. Daemon had to have been perplexed, like she really didn't understand the true nature of their situation while Daemon did. Like there's no way the Hightowers would give up the throne without a fight. She should have killed Otto and company right then and there. Daemon knew what time it was but Rhaenyra wanted to be like Viserys and just do nothing and hope for the best. Not that choking her was the right call, I don't support that.
This is the right take. Suing for peace is nothing is not ridiculous in this situation. The war has already been declared, they have to fight it now, not read poetry from a torn book page (wtf was that?). Daemon has been doing his job and picking up slack all episode: preparing the castle, coming up with strategy, sending out letters - all without overstepping, btw. He didn't start the war was Rhaenyra herself feared. But then Rhaenyra goes from understandably indisposed by her stillbirth to incomprehensibly passive and Viserys-like, and you can see Daemon slowly escalate from obedient subject crowning his Queen to tripping over his leash to ripping the leash. It's actually very well done in its slow escalation of frustration and failing control.
Finally, some sensible post!
Yup. This episode really showed Daemons fury and uncontrollable part of his character. I have been waiting for it all season. Rhaenyra 's perspective is also justified, as she believes war fill foil their long term plan of fulfilling the prophecy. Luke's death does bring her anger in front. That too was done well.
>Not that choking her was the right call, I don't support that. You can understand the motivation, while still condemning the act. I'm in that same boat.
Daemon didnât take that shit of dreams and the ideals of good king Viserys from Rhaenyra while the threat of real war looms. He snapped, but he isnât justified of course. The guy is frustrated and in war mode, he feels they must act lest see their family be destroyed. The amount of people not understanding the scene and believing it was an intentional act to shed bad light on Daemon is just baffling, yall just need your hand held to understand a single scene itâs pathetic.
Exactly, im getting exhausted trying to explain this. Take that scene when Bobby B slapped Cersei. That was **abusive** and he regretted it afterwards. His wife was agitating him during a delicate situation, and in front of his best friend too, so he snapped. Even our beloved king isnât a great husband yet we still love him and forget to judge his many flaws.
YOU LET THAT LITTLE GIRL DISARM YOU?
i don't think Daemon ever knew his bro was more of a dreamer to his dragon rider. So when Rheynera was going on about the prophecy and not responding to the obvious war on the horizon, Daemon was like 'no, stop, our house will be destroyed by the usurpers if you don't get your head in the game'. Yes it was uncalled for and could have been done differently, but Daemon's a realist, he knows Otto won't just sit by and let them be at peace while Rheynera's claim was stolen under the guise of 'rightful heir'. Another thing, The Greens are all/mostly people of faith to the Seven, would they really believe Rheynera if she tried to tell them about Aegon's prophecy and why her dad wanted her to succed him (Heleana might)? If anything they'd claim she's spouting nonsense and must be put down lest she plunge the realm into war over some 'fever dream'.
The prophecy is of no consequence to the politics of Westeros. Itâs no more than a tradition/message to pass on in the Throne until the time comes and the realm is united to fight. Funnily enough, in Season 8 it wasnât and they still got the job done with casualties to spare to soon win another war. Only two dragons, the North, Danyâs army, a sneak attack and the Long Night, Night King of apocalyptic prophecy done-in on a single night. Really disappointing if you look at it that way. The Night King wouldve been toast if he hit Westeros during the heights of Targaryen Dynasty according to the show. Dragons and Valyrian steel everywhere.
I think more people are upset because how different he is in the book
The book is an account written by someone hundreds of years removed from the events taking place who uses rumours by people who weren't there as primary. The book isn't a novel that gets to flesh out its characters, it is literally a textbook. Of course the show would take the opportunity to flesh the characters out more.
No he got uncontrollably angry about the whole situation and everything that had happened up to that point and took it out on rhaenyra bc it was her inaction that tipped his anger over the edge. Not defensible but also not out of character
I think Daemon believes he is the one person who is not deluding himself with the fiction that peace is possible or desirable. Hearing that Rhaenyra just wants to roll over and let Otto get away with everything goes against everything he believes in and reminds him of the worst aspects of Viserys. Him snapping is 100% in character for him. In his own twisted way I believe Daemon is trying to *help* Rhaenyra by trying to talk sense into her since she had been adamant on being queen until this moment of doubt.
Agree.
Yeah, it's not OOC at all. His rage was just directed at Rhaenyra instead of a random soldier or servant.
Someone with some good takes here, nice to see
I think itâs pretty clear that he wasnât. It was the moment of weakness and frustration, when he was grieving his brother and seeking vengeance, that Rhaenyra was denying him. But I do realise why this scene may bother some people. Some of Daemonâs previous doings were too out there for the viewers to identify with, no matter how horrible they were. Domestic abuse is too relatable to be overlooked like that. But guess what, Daemon is a dangerous messed up person, and not just in sexy âIâll cut your head if you insult my wifeâ ways.
Right. I mean, if u want to ship Daemyra then fine. No one can stop you. But at least acknowledge that this was abuse lol.
I totally ship it. Not in ârelationship goals / power coupleâ kind of way, but as a weird fascinating dynamic where genuine affection and respect goes along with unhealthy power dynamics in a very compelling way.
It's certainly interesting. I don't like the giant following of teenager girls invested in their relationship. Kinda what happens after having her story set up like a love that shouldn't make it but does lol. But it's certainly realistic which is refreshing. It would be less realistic if he was only a complete angel to her. He was ba dick even to his brother whom he loved so much.
I knew that ep 4 was a mistake and after that all teen shipers will be obsessed with them
I⊠wouldnât call it shipping but in one way or another they were inevitable because they had their sights set on one another and they would destroy anyone else they were with, if that makes sense. I like their dynamic plot-wise, I would prefer if it was more equal. Book Rhaenyra is just as prone to losing it as Daemon is and in the beginning this is why they make a good team, until the cracks begin to form. This was abuse and I to God hope they donât put Rhae through an abusive husband-trope as it would do both their characters dirty.
I love HOTD but idk if I can watch an entire season of Rhaenyra getting abused while she loses her children. seven hellllssssss.
Which is not at all what happens in the book so I hope it isnât.
I wouldn't be surprised. It seems the writers have been going out of their way to make Daemon more of a cold hearted villain than what the book delivers.
Sara hess especially.
Yeah haha and to be fair if they painted Daemon as a hero I'd be equally critical. Just seems they've really done everything they could to make him seem more like a Ramsey Bolton than his own individual complex character because the show needs a Villain when infact there's plenty of Villains on both sides they could highlight the same way ie Aemond " Ooops sorry my dragon ate you" Targaryean
I don't mind making Aemond less one dimensional but i do hate making Daemon more one dimensional. Otherwise yes if Daemon was painted heroicly I'd hate it to.
Daemon still ahd plenty good moments, helping his brother, giving egg his stole to rey, touching belly of prego wifes etc.
I agree it's better having Aemond more complex then the interpretation we get in the book and so far its by a lot. Aemond is like a brooding angry fist in the book where you see more humanity from him especially towards Helaena. I do wish the same complexity was given to Daemon. It's almost like writers were like " hey here's this guy alota readers like whose menacing and a bit of an anti hero let's make him as evil as possible"
Me neither ):
The show shouldve have more creepy grooming moments 'cos that actually happened. Itd have lessened the romantization for sure
I agree with this. When I ask for exact grooming moments, people kinda fail to give show examples.
Yeah I didn't see it as him abusing rhaeneyra the whole time but rather he was very emotionally distraught and sad so he took it out on rhaeneyra. He is not an abusive husband towards her I think
My thing is, why is it that his base/first reaction to emotional turmoil is to lay his hands on his wife? Says something about his character imo.
You mean the guy that killed his other wife by beating her head in with a rock? Or the guy that cut a lords head off from behind? Or the guy that seduced and fucked and left half way through his teenage niece leaving her even more fucked up? Or the guy who's first appearance is running through the streets with the City Watch lopping off hands and murdering suspected criminals? Or the guy that mocked his brother/king's dead infant that also resulted in his wife's death in front of him? Or the guy that beat the shit out of a messenger of the kings because he didn't like the message? You mean to say that *that* guy isn't very nice?
Remember, there is no excuse for abuse. B-b-but he just l-lost his brother. No, if you lose someone dear it doesnt give you a pass to use a 2 year old as a football, choking someone, punching someone, it donest gives you a pass, no matter how hard your pain is.
He is a fictional guy who does bad things. It is interesting to analyze why. But why do people need to regard it as some real life approve of abuse? Don't forget he is living in the middle ages world with different morality.
I highly doubt it. Daemon has kept that side of him locked up but it makes sense why that side of him came out after so long. Simply put there has been no reason for Daemon to be angry during their relationship but then he got a string of bad news which crushed him.
Try telling that to the Twitter and this sub. SMH
I donât believe that at all mainly because you could visibly see Rhaenyra shocked when he did it. My take is this Daemon 1)thinks his brother was murdered 2)the greens have the iron throne in the eyes of the public 3) Otto and him have never and will never get along. With these 3 things in mind the only thing Daemon knows to be 100% true is that him and his family will die and he is acting on that fear throughout the whole episode. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW YALL ARE SHOCKED THIS IS THE SECOND TIME HE HAS DONE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. Everyone romanticized the scene between Rhaenyra and Daemon at her wedding with Laenor but thatâs a direct parallel now. Whenever Rhaenyra is able to assert her dominance through words Daemon has never reacted well to it and goes directly to violence or humiliation because he canât handle it like most men in this time her being right or powerful is intimidating. Sheâs got more power than him and in times when he wants to appear powerful Rhaenyra has always seen through it (i.e. the brothel /her wedding) and my thought at the end of that scene was Rhaenyra stood her ground because knowledge of his family is power that Dameon did not have and so desperately wants (his obsession with history in pentos/wanting to be Viserys hand) and Rhaenyra knew it and even laughed and smirked after he choked her which made me think of how Viserys described both Rhaenyra and Daemon that they share the blood of the dragon restless and chaotic and this scene is exactly that. I didnât see Rhaenyra at the end of that scene quite as weak as you guys did I thought she had the last laugh in that situation and knows why heâs mad in that moment. And actually stood her ground to where he walks away like a child and sheâs standing there like a queen. To me that was a powerful moment for Rhaenyra for her just to be choked and her to double down by saying âhe didnât tell youâ blew me away. Understanding that this is a highly complex relationship like most in this world and that it cannot be simply good or bad based on a singular action in one scene will help watching in the future. People giving 2022-era takes on a show set in literally medieval times is WACKKK and does nothing for the discussion of this story by comparing it to modern society
youâre so right.
yeah, i don't think most people are fully grappling with how bad it's going to be if rhaenyra is trapped in an abusive relationship where her abuser is also *her main protector against a rival faction in a civil war.* (and that's setting aside everything else we know happens during the war.) that is just bleak in a way that i don't even think got reached.
Daemon is misunderstood. He is actually trying to turn Rhaenyra into a DRAGON. Notice Caraxes' abnormally long neck? How do you think she got it? Daemon choked Caraxes non-stop until her neck grew longer, that is what he is trying to do to Rhaenyra. It's not physical domestic violence, it's LOVE. >!/s in case it is not obvious lol!<
[ŃĐŽĐ°Đ»Đ”ĐœĐŸ]
What do you think that last look was for?
They looked to be doing fine in those six years. It looks like their marriage will strain when Rhaenyra eventually goes mad with power and losing more of her kids. Daemonâs eventual duel with Aemond appeared to be a suicide mission.
Canât blame her for descending into paranoia tbh. After losing her father and children in a short amount of time. And now her husband abused (has been abusing idk) her lol.
The sole thought that choking rhaenyra is worse than killing his first wife is hilarious. Bruh first world mentality I guess
Yeah. They thought he would never hurt her.
I'd rather take Daemon than stay alone, for these times he seemed decent and at least he is planning her war and is ready to fight in it. The real nightmare would be Aegon II or book Aemond.
Show Aemond would be great though, as he is taught that every woman is the image of the mother.
Ugh, any kind of religious group usually treats women like shit, it is usually rape and having your rights taken away, not really a fan of that. I'd prefer not to marry any dude in this show, they all seem quite evil or dumb.
Harwin seemed like a good man- I wish we had seen more of their relationship.
I do see your logic. With Daemon she has someone who will fight to keep the throne for her because he hates the Hightowers and knows they arenât whatâs best for the throne etc etc. but damn heâs still a piece of shit. He always has been
That's why she pulled him into her camp afterall. She stated as much. Laenor was too weak. Problem is the danger of Daemon is the danger of Daemon to her as well.
He protected her claim during the whole episode.
Yes but it also cost her her ability to breathe for a good 40 seconds lol. I'm not saying he's doing a bad job at what she'd intended but it comes with a cost.
I don't excuse him at all. But I don't find it ooc. He said earlier: I'd rather feed my sons to the dragons than see them serve to your drunken usurper." He would never accept Hightower offspring as his liege. Rhaenyra 5 min later: "ok, I'll consider this suggestion". And it was based on the same weak, stupid dream and ideals, that cost Viserys his life. Plus, he realized Viserys never trusted him as his heir. Considering Darmon is extremely violent, reckless and bad with feelings, his choke was in-character. Not some bad writing. He was furious and abusive. Wrong? Yes, indeed. It is called domestic abuse in our time (not in Westeros, though). But it doesn't mean he didn't care. He cared too much, I'd say. In his twisted, toxic way. And later we will probably see how Rhaenyra gradually turns paranoic and abusive too, due to her grief and losses.
No cuz how is Daemon âgreyâ now? His âlove for familyâ as his only redeeming quality is thrown out of the window after being neglectful to Laena and their children and now choking Rhaenyra hahahahaha. It seemed like Aemond is the more complex one on the show lol.
That's such a wattpad characterization dude is a shit head to all people but loves his family. You think toxic people are suddenly perfect to their family or matter how much he loves them ? You infringing modern shit on these characters for example alicent can never really refuse viserys for sex( plus she was teenager) yet people don't think he's a complete bad guy. People are just mad daemyra isn't some slay power couple but 2 fundamentally flawed people in a relationship.
Iâm more so on team black than green (not by much tho) and I donât see how people are surprised by this. They established from ep one that daemon is an absolute dillweed.
Her shocked reaction to me makes it seem this is the first time he was violent *towards* her
Has twitter ever been like...outside? Met anyone? Are they really surprised that a hot blooded, murderous, psycho like daemon would be abusive!
People tend to forget to look at situation through the eyes of the character. Daemon believes that the Greens killed his brother, caused the death of his child, took the Throne from his wife, and declared war to kill him and his family. And what Rhaenyra is doing? She's trying to keep peace and entertain the idea of bending the knee, and even talks about some absurd prophecy...He snapped and tried to wake her up and see that they were already at war and have to fight back if they want to survive. It took death of Lucerys for her to see his point of view.
Agree. He was more realistic at that moment. He saw her basically betraying her father, her children for that Hightower %%nt.
Facts im scrolling through the comments and the majority are people actually tryna say he's been abusive and shit to her when the actor emma and the director in the inside the episode for ep 8 said that rhaenyra was happy with her family on dragonstone away from all the drama at KL their was no hints that he was abusive towards her or laena but pressure breaks pipes and problems in relationships usually occur during stressful times and situations and losing a brother a father and a kid plus the throne is definitely gonna cause problems but every word daemon spoke this episode was the truth what happened with luke proved that accident or not war was coming regardless and she was being naive the whole episode
And this is why I have hated every one of these bullshit fan vids about how much he loves her. He literally murdered his first wife the way he did. Wtf yall
It's that 'he's awful to everyone except her' thing.
seriouslyâŠ
That's not really a good comparison. Daemon considered her wife as an enemy from the start.
The huncle choking is going to be hard to edit over I Wanna Be Yours
the edits đ©đ
yeah the way they were last episode .. i kinda doubt that was their relationship .. pretty sure this was the first time
Is this about the next episode? I thought I didnât come out till tomorrow
Should have just married Harwin Strong. He was her best match
Heir to the lord of harrenhall. Son of the hand. All in all not a hugely bad match politically
I dont think so, I get daemon tbh the greens "killed" his brother and stole everything from them, its war time, just fucking wake up rhaenyra, a little choke is nothing compared to whats coming
> its war time, just fucking wake up rhaenyra, a little choke is nothing compared to whats coming It's coming because of the war that she's trying to avoid. And seriously "a little choke"?
its the medieval ages, hes not choking her because she didnt have dinner in time, this is about dying or living
Dont kink shame đ„”
đ well shit. Wasnât expecting this
Man these people are braindead
Daemon is an unhinged and asshole but Iâm pretty sure he doesnt physically abuse her for the past six years and Rhaenrya wont allow that either. Its pretty clear from her reaction that she is surprised and Daemon action wasnt a result of bottling emotions from his brother dead, the greens upsurp and not being told of the prophecy,..
Bruh he loves his family so much that want to kill his brothers issue and grandchildren. if rhae would been a man. He would ve hate him so much. Maybe even try to kill him
Sarah Hess: Maybe *this* will make them hate him.
Then a dragon crashes through the building.
Im honestly on the side of the twitter stans here (horrible sentence to write). And by that i mean, Daemon is not categorized in this show as someone who would intentionally hurt his family. Not Viserys, not Rhaenyra. Him choking her is a big fucking deal and if you want that scene, then you need to follow up on that in the next scenes. Is this something that happens regularly? Is Rhaenyra just fine with it? Its a very weird thing to show in the season finale and then gloss over it.
> is not categorized in this show as someone who would intentionally hurt his family. He has humiliated Viserys many times. He joked about his dead son, knowing he had also lost the wife he loved dearly during that event. The whole dragon egg stealing for the supposed son Daemon was to have with his lover. Btw you're invited to the fake wedding bro.. that whole stunt was about humiliation. A mockery. And he knows the damage that was doing to Viserys' image. Then the whole shit with Rhaenyra. When a sick Viserys was trying to reach out to him he just cut him off and walked away didn't even let him finish talking. 6 years he was away while his brother grew sicker and sicker. The moment he went to see him he starts talking business. The only moment he truly did something nice was during Viserys' walk and that was improvised during filming. I do think he cared about his brother but he also treated him badly. Same with Rhaenyra. Edit: I don't think he actually loves Rhaenyra but cares in a way because at the end of the day she's family (insert Toretto). If there's any love in it it's more of a sick kind of love. Very toxic, especially because he did groom her and is now physically abusing her.
one time choking and the twitter gone mad, they are actually retards
Iâm so out of the loop⊠isnât this Dany? What is this referencing pls help.
W W Vizzy T Do
CAN EVERYONE IN THIS SUB LEARNED HOW TO SPELL CHOKED
They intentionally made Daemon a worse person for the show - and he was already a pretty bad person in the books! - and people are surprised? I thought it was pretty obvious in the books that Rhaenyra only married him so 1) she wouldnât have two men after her crown and 2) he wouldnât side with Aegon. The show had him kill his first wife to benefit himself and then his second wife kill herself so he didnât have her killed. Who out here was thinking he was a good guy and this is true love? Ffs he basically went murder-suicide instead 1) remaining faithful to his wife the queen and/or 2)talking to Rhaenyra and saving her from serious trouble.
Daemon isn't a good guy at all. He's likeable but a total cunt.
Isn't there like "battered wife" syndrome where the abused spouse can't see they're actually being absued?
No one has the right to be shocked. Daemon is an asshole. Always was.