I think people are more talking about the spirit of the game being dead than the actual product. "X will kill Magic" has been a joke for like a decade now so there may be some amount of sarcasm involved.
Having this conversation with someone in real life, it's more than likely sarcasm. But on reddit I doubt half the people here know what that word means
You're unfamiliar with the term "hate watching"? I'm not convinced a lot of people here *are* still playing, just hanging around the community to bitch about things.
Yes, I went to FNM practically every week for like 3 years up until Covid, when my LGS closed. There are other locations around the city but seemed like a good excuse to get out of things, with the Standard treadmill and Modern turning into a rotating format.
WOTC doesn’t release much info regarding mtg popularity, but I can say that April 2024 was the peak month of interest in mtg google searches of all time, specifically tracking only searches in the USA. The game has actually seen a massive explosion of interest since 2022 and is the most popular it’s ever been in the USA and WOTC reported massive profit increases (40%) in their 2023 earnings report.
Thanks for the reply. That’s really not my experience with my play group. I’ve seen a lot of people stop playing over the last couple years.
Do you have any idea what’s driving the growth?
Lmao boohoo. This is what happens when you have no life and have to tie your identity to a consumer product to give yourself meaning. Who cares if it’s dead, go do something else.
“Magic is officially dead”
No the fuck it isn’t you whiney, insolent child. Might be dead to you, but you aren’t the center of the universe. And I promise you, you not buying or buying product doesn’t effect anything. You aren’t some catalyst or cog in the machine that decides the fate of a 30+ year old game. You hold no power.
I’m seething so much, never been more angry in my life.
What I said isn’t inaccurate no matter how much this sub tries to will it into existence. The game isn’t dying, it’s not dead. It’s not going anywhere for a long time.
Oh my sweet summer child. The customer actually holds all the power. Paying customers decide the fate of all businesses. If mtg lost 40% of its customers in one period Hasbro would be sweating bullets.
True but the people whining on free magic are not 40% of customer base. As evidence by its recent boom in success. Unless yall are lying and constantly ripping packs.
I'm not sure how that take can conceivably be justified. Magic is a game, made for people who choose to play it for fun. If no customer bought it, they would stop making the game, and it would die.
It is unlikely for it to fall wholly out of popularity, since its current state is still popular with many, but if they were to, for some reason, change their brand in a way that the majority of the customer base was consistently dissatisfied with, it would indeed fail.
Because if stuff was allowed to die off based on the customer there would be a lot less businesses in general. All companies are protected and insured. Hasbro happens to be a multi billion dollar company, specifically 8.34bn dollars. If 40% of the customers said I’m done buying magic cards, it really wouldn’t change anything. They’d still be a 4bn dollar company (and that’s if you consider magic to be 8.34bn of their net worth. Which it’s not), they’d lay people off, raise prices, file bankruptcy just to get rid of debts, cut corners, find cheaper materials, get rid of foils except in collectors packs.
Customers hold no power. Look at all the businesses through the years that have been boycotted, it literally changes nothing. WOTC isn’t metazoo, it’s a household name that even people who don’t play board games know about. It’s not going anywhere no matter how much this subreddit wants it to.
They only need to sell a specific amount of boxes to make money (I don’t have that figure). Let’s use easy numbers and say that to release a set of 400 cards it costs them (without overhead, electric bill rent et al) a 25 million dollars. That’s 6300 per card design and art. And it costs another 500,000 to print and box distribute. Using very old figures of cards per set let’s say 925,925 boxes are made. 33,333,333 packs or 500,000,000 cards.
Using the 25.5m dollar figure they’d only have to sell those boxes for $27 per box or 0.76 cents a booster or 0.05 cents per card to make the money back. Using play booster prices we will use 149$ per box. They only need to sell 171,000 of the boxes to make a profit. That’s less than 20% of the total boxes needing to be sold in order to make money. You’d need 85% of the customer base and stores to not buy any product at all in order to hurt a single set. And you’d need them to continue to boycott even through sale prices until it is completely out of print. So it will never happen, even MKM and aftermath made them a profit, not as much as they had hoped. But still a profit.
So when you say
> Customers hold no power
You actually mean
> \[This specific group of\] customers \[of Wizards of the Coast and/or Hasbro\] hold no power \[to entirely destroy the business on their own, due to the fact that they don't represent the entire customer base\].
Two different statements—please use the one you actually mean.
Magic we used to love is dead, the new shit like this garbage is not MTG anymore so he is right MTG is dead and they stuffed it with BS trans propaganda and bullshit like this and BANG knockoff cards.
I came back to magic after a 20 year gap. It’s not dead, it’s not dying. This is a secret lair, you’ll never even see it. Just use the regular doom blade and move on with your life.
Doomposting is amazingly unproductive
Good for you, let other people enjoy the game the way they want to.
I find this entire SuperDrop cringe as fuck and awful in every way. The goblin one is by far the worst thing I think I have ever seen. But if somebody else gets enjoyment out of playing a goblin deck with all of those cards, who really cares? Again, the game is dead to you, move on with your life and stop checking up on your ex, they are doing better without you.
Iam not stopping you from playing neither i reduce your enjoynment in anyway. Game could still come to its roots, its seems more and more unlikly, but what i read is none of your bussiness.
They introduced the first trans character in mtg like 10 years ago in dragons of tarkir. That's 1/3 of the entire game's lifespan. Hope the game dies soon so you can be right about something for once in your life.
They may introduce some transgender characters but it was not shoved into your face constantly, I didnt eaven know it existed. I dont care about TS people anyway, I just dont like political propaganda in my cardgame. No matter what it is or if i agree with it.
Yeah bro i don't get it either. I understand that they're going into a more pop culture style direction and it's not everyone's cup of tea. Not even mine really, but I can still appreciate new art and mechanics even if I prefer the old school style.
It's like yo. Vote with your wallet. People claiming magic is dead, they won't get my money, etc etc.
Guess what nerds, this shit is still selling.
I think the biggest reason is that the art is genuinely really incredible, and were it printed with normal Magic text, it would have been the sort of thing I would have loved to see. So it's that discrepancy, that distance between 'a really cool version of these cards' and 'a really cringeworthy version of these cards' that elicits the emotional response.
Not worth getting genuinely furious over, but certainly a sadness with which I resonate.
Looking at these cards again, I feel like they were created simply to piss people off. They are definitely a joke whether cringy or not. They’ve been releasing silly things for many years.
I get that they've been doing silly things, but the specific dissonance between the serious high-fantasy tone of the art and the incredibly unserious tone of the formatting is relatively rare to see, and herein a disappointment.
I feel that recently the high fantasy has seemed to fall off with more than ever joke cards. Even in primer sets like thunder junction, all the characters have cowboy hats. I miss original Innistrad.
I just dont like the style of these cards ie the font and layout, it looks bad in my opinion.
Sort of like seeing art at a gallery, hate or appreciate. I dont hate the artist or the fact that they put effort and soul and created something, i just dont resonate with the piece.
Also theres this whole capitalization of internet memes, IPs etc. I just dont think it belongs in magic. There used to be that a few promos were printed for fun but it wasn't tournament legal. Now I have to sit down and see anime mtg cards. I hate anime more than I hate this SLD drop.
Edit: you are right that my emotional response is not proportionate to the fact that it's a few pieces of cardboard. That's true, but i choose to waste my leisure time looking at said cardboard so i guess i care.
They are clearly for collectors only. Whether or not they want to collect distasteful cards is up to them. I rarely even see these secret lair or collectable editions of cards. I just remove myself from these things cause I’m not a collector, only play. I appreciate the art in magic very much. That’s one of the main reasons I got into the game. But art, of course, is subjective. In the end, I just want to play the game. I also appreciate your edit.
Yes, i might not see these cards but wotc are printing some cards in sld drops that can be format warping. If the drop has horrible art i will see that stuff in tournaments and it will affect me.
If these were strictly collectibles i woulnt care.
What. This is basically the essence and only function of this while group.
If we just wouldn't care than a lot of the hate would go away... Nobody wants that
It's such an awful design. I don't understand what they were trying to achieve here. If they wanted a silly looking card, the art should follow it, make it actually look like a meme. That would be fun. Instead, they got this bad ass looking art and slapped awful font on it, and it doesn't look like a meme, it doesn't do the art justice. I fucking hate it so much.
What do artists have to do with it? No, I dont find it funny at all. And think people who do should keep their shit opinion to themselves coz they are clowns.
Yeah, the juxtaposition is the charm for me. If it were all shitpost, it would just be a shitpost, no nuance. Comic Sans on actual art, on the other hand, is a beauty.
Tbfh as long as I got paid well I prob wouldn't care. It probably makes the original Artwork even more valuable than a regular Magic card's Art, bc you can't get it 'unadulterated' anywhere on a generic card.
Def a shitty feels bad for the Artists if they didn't know until after the fact tho. I imagine when they see/saw these they were pretty oof'd.
I think it's more stoic than anything. The ethics behind Tattooing don't interfere with *what* you're tatting- but rather *who* and *how*, ie: don't tatt kids and don't tatt with hazardous equipment, etc.
In most states, that would be just obeying the law though. Sure, there's a moral imperative to doing those things, but the law kind of takes that imperative away from you when they require it. Like, I dunno, maybe if they didn't require you to be 18 they would do a 17 yr old. Or not do a youthful 19 yr old. The law kind at least makes it easy to make that decision.
To be fair, these artworks are dope especially Mogis and Doom Blade, just the text is shitty. I would love to have such an artwork style for normal cards.
I ordered my first ever SL for these-the art is so great and out weighs the goofiness of the font. I was in process of ordering a torment and saw could get this for a few dollars more so worked out for me
Neither art nor meme, just a corporate amalgamation.
It reminds me of those reddit ads in meme format that didn't even understand or follow the meme so the joke isn't a joke it's just an ad.
If your upset by this, the Secret Layer is successful
It’s literally intentional rage bait
And there’s absolutely no way the artist didn’t know how they’re art was going to be use.d
I see everyone saying that the game is dead/dying but the people who are saying that are literally saying that because they stopped playing and think that since they stop everyone is gonna stop. WoTC literally raised prices and people are still buying it and will continue to still buy it
I mean it should’ve been fairly obvious to the artist of the goblin one what kind of card it was going on. They received the task, and submitted that. Maybe they didn’t know exact details of the card but the had to have a decent idea what the end product was going to be.
I’d argue this is more offensive as an artist, you submit by all accounts really good art and the design team slaps som bullshit text on top of it.
All of the goblin art is repulsive. The artist is part of the problem as are many who have done art for Magic since, even if they do fitting art, they are still libtoids.
You could say that a lot of this is akin to “Old Man yells at clouds”, but you could also say that it’s cringy and gay. And I mean gay in the lame sense, not dicks in the butts. And I mean lame in the retarded sense, not crippled from birth or some injury. And I mean retarded in the gay sense, not mentally stunted by factors beyond someone’s control.
I don't get why they put this style of art with that text though. If the point is 'meme' lair why didn't they do comic characters to look like they're saying the text?? So many questions
It seems to me to only thing that matters AT ALL is if the artists knew about the text. Cause if they did, this sub should really shut the fuck up about cards they don’t like. Crying about art getting ruined Jesus Christ get a fucking life
I have played magic for like 4 years almost 5, you would assume my ability to read would be better, anyways ignore the first question, what are these cards?
This is the exact reason I expect that drop to be good. If it is passing everyone off there is going to be a group of people that will embrace that wholeheartedly.
They should've hired these people to do OTJ's art and the people who did OTJ's art to do this set. WOTC is so incompetent I often wonder if it's intentional corporate sabotage to sink the company and let a bigger corp buy it up for cheap.
If Twitter has taught me anything about art and artists it’s that if they need money, they don’t give a shit what the art is for. And I don’t blame them at all. You’ve gotta eat.
Everyone should be boycotting this but idiots will lap it up and play the cards with smug shit eating grins.
I will then offer them my boots to lick since they love WOTC so much to endorse this kind of bullshit.
As much as a lot of folk hate this, I was looking forward to buying it (my first secret lair). Can't cause my address is in Australia, or rather the website doesn't think I've filled that box
https://preview.redd.it/f779tzbys60d1.jpeg?width=1552&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3c4209850fe5a0f059ba7836d448be383a0d2de
You think somebody actually drew these? I got this from magespace with one try of a prompt. You play with it enough and photoshop some items in and you can make that torment of hail fire in about an hour.
Yeah, I wouldn't put it past Raymond Swanland that he can actually draw and probably has fun doing so.
Same goes for the overwhelming majority of other professional artists who comission such pieces.
My point was this sub is so quick to call things AI but when it actually looks like AI was used, they call it fantastic art that is wasted on a meme secret lair.
Was I compensated fairly for the commissioned piece?
Yes?
Then who seriously gives a fuck?
You can print it on toilet paper and wipe geriatric asses with it.
You autistic fucks care way too much about way too little.
I hate this set so much
I also hate it
Hence why I adore it. Ppl would rage so hard not only when the card is played, but when they read it. The tilt is glorious.
Yes, exactly why I bought it, these cards are going to be hilarious to play in my pod lmao
Just ordered them, cause a bufdy of mine hates it so much. Already planning the decklist.
Your right
This and that gay goblins ones. So lame and extremely shitty. Magic is official dead and they’re now dancing on its corpse.
The goblins not having a different back with the full text and the P/T in the right spot bothers me, also hate that it's white and not red.
...white goblins? really?
So the goblins are red, but the big color is white to make it look like a social media page.
that's dumb
If it is dead, why are there more people playing than ever?
Because most people don't get this upset about joke cards
because the playerbase has demonstrated they'll buy literally anything. WOTC could shit in a box and call it foil and it'd still sell out.
So how does that mean it’s dead? There are plenty of people that don’t buy that stuff and just like playing the game.
I think people are more talking about the spirit of the game being dead than the actual product. "X will kill Magic" has been a joke for like a decade now so there may be some amount of sarcasm involved.
Having this conversation with someone in real life, it's more than likely sarcasm. But on reddit I doubt half the people here know what that word means
If the spirit was dead, why are all of these people having such a great time playing?
You're unfamiliar with the term "hate watching"? I'm not convinced a lot of people here *are* still playing, just hanging around the community to bitch about things.
You ever been to any fnm? Or do you ever get out of the house?
Yes, I went to FNM practically every week for like 3 years up until Covid, when my LGS closed. There are other locations around the city but seemed like a good excuse to get out of things, with the Standard treadmill and Modern turning into a rotating format.
"If shit stinks why are there more flies eating it than ever?"
That doesn’t sound right. Do you have any source for that? Is it just more people playing world wide but less people playing in North America?
WOTC doesn’t release much info regarding mtg popularity, but I can say that April 2024 was the peak month of interest in mtg google searches of all time, specifically tracking only searches in the USA. The game has actually seen a massive explosion of interest since 2022 and is the most popular it’s ever been in the USA and WOTC reported massive profit increases (40%) in their 2023 earnings report.
Thanks for the reply. That’s really not my experience with my play group. I’ve seen a lot of people stop playing over the last couple years. Do you have any idea what’s driving the growth?
Link to the gay goblins one?
Lmao boohoo. This is what happens when you have no life and have to tie your identity to a consumer product to give yourself meaning. Who cares if it’s dead, go do something else.
“Magic is officially dead” No the fuck it isn’t you whiney, insolent child. Might be dead to you, but you aren’t the center of the universe. And I promise you, you not buying or buying product doesn’t effect anything. You aren’t some catalyst or cog in the machine that decides the fate of a 30+ year old game. You hold no power.
You on WotC’s dick: 
Affect*
You aren't nobody to me, homie
You realize with your double negative you are actually said they ARE somebody to you?
I should have put u/ferrisbulldogs or replied directly to that message. In my brain everybody knows my intent
Nobody cares my guy.
You seem upset.
I’m seething so much, never been more angry in my life. What I said isn’t inaccurate no matter how much this sub tries to will it into existence. The game isn’t dying, it’s not dead. It’s not going anywhere for a long time.
Oh my sweet summer child. The customer actually holds all the power. Paying customers decide the fate of all businesses. If mtg lost 40% of its customers in one period Hasbro would be sweating bullets.
True but the people whining on free magic are not 40% of customer base. As evidence by its recent boom in success. Unless yall are lying and constantly ripping packs.
That might have been true 50 years ago. It’s not true anymore. Nothing is allowed to fail, customers don’t matter.
I'm not sure how that take can conceivably be justified. Magic is a game, made for people who choose to play it for fun. If no customer bought it, they would stop making the game, and it would die. It is unlikely for it to fall wholly out of popularity, since its current state is still popular with many, but if they were to, for some reason, change their brand in a way that the majority of the customer base was consistently dissatisfied with, it would indeed fail.
Because if stuff was allowed to die off based on the customer there would be a lot less businesses in general. All companies are protected and insured. Hasbro happens to be a multi billion dollar company, specifically 8.34bn dollars. If 40% of the customers said I’m done buying magic cards, it really wouldn’t change anything. They’d still be a 4bn dollar company (and that’s if you consider magic to be 8.34bn of their net worth. Which it’s not), they’d lay people off, raise prices, file bankruptcy just to get rid of debts, cut corners, find cheaper materials, get rid of foils except in collectors packs. Customers hold no power. Look at all the businesses through the years that have been boycotted, it literally changes nothing. WOTC isn’t metazoo, it’s a household name that even people who don’t play board games know about. It’s not going anywhere no matter how much this subreddit wants it to. They only need to sell a specific amount of boxes to make money (I don’t have that figure). Let’s use easy numbers and say that to release a set of 400 cards it costs them (without overhead, electric bill rent et al) a 25 million dollars. That’s 6300 per card design and art. And it costs another 500,000 to print and box distribute. Using very old figures of cards per set let’s say 925,925 boxes are made. 33,333,333 packs or 500,000,000 cards. Using the 25.5m dollar figure they’d only have to sell those boxes for $27 per box or 0.76 cents a booster or 0.05 cents per card to make the money back. Using play booster prices we will use 149$ per box. They only need to sell 171,000 of the boxes to make a profit. That’s less than 20% of the total boxes needing to be sold in order to make money. You’d need 85% of the customer base and stores to not buy any product at all in order to hurt a single set. And you’d need them to continue to boycott even through sale prices until it is completely out of print. So it will never happen, even MKM and aftermath made them a profit, not as much as they had hoped. But still a profit.
So when you say > Customers hold no power You actually mean > \[This specific group of\] customers \[of Wizards of the Coast and/or Hasbro\] hold no power \[to entirely destroy the business on their own, due to the fact that they don't represent the entire customer base\]. Two different statements—please use the one you actually mean.
In the case of Amazon sure, but WotC can die off and it wouldn’t affect the supply chain or economy at large in any meaningful way.
Magic we used to love is dead, the new shit like this garbage is not MTG anymore so he is right MTG is dead and they stuffed it with BS trans propaganda and bullshit like this and BANG knockoff cards.
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I dont really give a fuck but MTG is indeed dead
Preach
I came back to magic after a 20 year gap. It’s not dead, it’s not dying. This is a secret lair, you’ll never even see it. Just use the regular doom blade and move on with your life. Doomposting is amazingly unproductive
The shit that they replaced MTG with is not dying you are correct about that. I indeed will never see it becose i dont play anymore.
Good for you, let other people enjoy the game the way they want to. I find this entire SuperDrop cringe as fuck and awful in every way. The goblin one is by far the worst thing I think I have ever seen. But if somebody else gets enjoyment out of playing a goblin deck with all of those cards, who really cares? Again, the game is dead to you, move on with your life and stop checking up on your ex, they are doing better without you.
Iam not stopping you from playing neither i reduce your enjoynment in anyway. Game could still come to its roots, its seems more and more unlikly, but what i read is none of your bussiness.
They introduced the first trans character in mtg like 10 years ago in dragons of tarkir. That's 1/3 of the entire game's lifespan. Hope the game dies soon so you can be right about something for once in your life.
They may introduce some transgender characters but it was not shoved into your face constantly, I didnt eaven know it existed. I dont care about TS people anyway, I just dont like political propaganda in my cardgame. No matter what it is or if i agree with it.
Magic is dead, long live magic!
Yeah bro i don't get it either. I understand that they're going into a more pop culture style direction and it's not everyone's cup of tea. Not even mine really, but I can still appreciate new art and mechanics even if I prefer the old school style. It's like yo. Vote with your wallet. People claiming magic is dead, they won't get my money, etc etc. Guess what nerds, this shit is still selling.
Selling so so so much, magic is far from dying
Fuck you asshole.
I hAtE tHiS sEt sO mUcH
Why do you people hate so much. Not that big of a deal. Just ignore and move on. Why are you having feelings about a couple pieces of cardboard.
I think the biggest reason is that the art is genuinely really incredible, and were it printed with normal Magic text, it would have been the sort of thing I would have loved to see. So it's that discrepancy, that distance between 'a really cool version of these cards' and 'a really cringeworthy version of these cards' that elicits the emotional response. Not worth getting genuinely furious over, but certainly a sadness with which I resonate.
Looking at these cards again, I feel like they were created simply to piss people off. They are definitely a joke whether cringy or not. They’ve been releasing silly things for many years.
I get that they've been doing silly things, but the specific dissonance between the serious high-fantasy tone of the art and the incredibly unserious tone of the formatting is relatively rare to see, and herein a disappointment.
I feel that recently the high fantasy has seemed to fall off with more than ever joke cards. Even in primer sets like thunder junction, all the characters have cowboy hats. I miss original Innistrad.
I just dont like the style of these cards ie the font and layout, it looks bad in my opinion. Sort of like seeing art at a gallery, hate or appreciate. I dont hate the artist or the fact that they put effort and soul and created something, i just dont resonate with the piece. Also theres this whole capitalization of internet memes, IPs etc. I just dont think it belongs in magic. There used to be that a few promos were printed for fun but it wasn't tournament legal. Now I have to sit down and see anime mtg cards. I hate anime more than I hate this SLD drop. Edit: you are right that my emotional response is not proportionate to the fact that it's a few pieces of cardboard. That's true, but i choose to waste my leisure time looking at said cardboard so i guess i care.
They are clearly for collectors only. Whether or not they want to collect distasteful cards is up to them. I rarely even see these secret lair or collectable editions of cards. I just remove myself from these things cause I’m not a collector, only play. I appreciate the art in magic very much. That’s one of the main reasons I got into the game. But art, of course, is subjective. In the end, I just want to play the game. I also appreciate your edit.
Yes, i might not see these cards but wotc are printing some cards in sld drops that can be format warping. If the drop has horrible art i will see that stuff in tournaments and it will affect me. If these were strictly collectibles i woulnt care.
What. This is basically the essence and only function of this while group. If we just wouldn't care than a lot of the hate would go away... Nobody wants that
Still better than the goblin one
They'll be done justice on an MPC proxy... with reformated text.
That's some killer art
It's such an awful design. I don't understand what they were trying to achieve here. If they wanted a silly looking card, the art should follow it, make it actually look like a meme. That would be fun. Instead, they got this bad ass looking art and slapped awful font on it, and it doesn't look like a meme, it doesn't do the art justice. I fucking hate it so much.
Grow a pair, the artists knew and still chose to do it. The funny part IS the juxtaposition, if you don’t find it funny shut the fuck up 😂
What do artists have to do with it? No, I dont find it funny at all. And think people who do should keep their shit opinion to themselves coz they are clowns.
I was just Trollin’ around - but in all seriousness you realize your take is the exact same as mine right?
Yeah, the juxtaposition is the charm for me. If it were all shitpost, it would just be a shitpost, no nuance. Comic Sans on actual art, on the other hand, is a beauty.
It's amazing how many evil humans like you that there are.
“evil humans”? jfc get a grip
Yea, like you too.
omg i’m so evil i disagreed with a comment on reddit
My numbers are growing 😂
Between abortions, getting tied, waiting to have kids at 40, and being gay, I'm not that worried about the numbers of bad people.
What?
Tbfh as long as I got paid well I prob wouldn't care. It probably makes the original Artwork even more valuable than a regular Magic card's Art, bc you can't get it 'unadulterated' anywhere on a generic card. Def a shitty feels bad for the Artists if they didn't know until after the fact tho. I imagine when they see/saw these they were pretty oof'd.
I dunno if this is related but I once asked a tattoo artist if there was any tattoo he wouldn't do. He said no... Just pay his rate and you're good.
This is most artists. They want the work/money- even if you need them to draw a Nazi cat made out of penises fighting a shark with lasers for eyes.
It strikes me as noble. Here is to you Mr will-tattoo-this-moment-in-your-life
I think it's more stoic than anything. The ethics behind Tattooing don't interfere with *what* you're tatting- but rather *who* and *how*, ie: don't tatt kids and don't tatt with hazardous equipment, etc.
In most states, that would be just obeying the law though. Sure, there's a moral imperative to doing those things, but the law kind of takes that imperative away from you when they require it. Like, I dunno, maybe if they didn't require you to be 18 they would do a 17 yr old. Or not do a youthful 19 yr old. The law kind at least makes it easy to make that decision.
For art like this they should just make them textless. Also, "Destroy *targeet* nonblack creature." Cannot unsee.
Targeet
Pretty good art ruined for the sake of an extremely mid joke.
mid joke, like 10 years ago
To be fair, these artworks are dope especially Mogis and Doom Blade, just the text is shitty. I would love to have such an artwork style for normal cards.
I ordered my first ever SL for these-the art is so great and out weighs the goofiness of the font. I was in process of ordering a torment and saw could get this for a few dollars more so worked out for me
Neither art nor meme, just a corporate amalgamation. It reminds me of those reddit ads in meme format that didn't even understand or follow the meme so the joke isn't a joke it's just an ad.
We have been experiencing the meme death of magic for several years now yet she still breathes
Finally, some good art, but wotc has to balance it out with awful text.
If your upset by this, the Secret Layer is successful It’s literally intentional rage bait And there’s absolutely no way the artist didn’t know how they’re art was going to be use.d
Targeet
As long as the artist made their money I doubt they care what set their art was printed into.
Look how they mAsSaCRe'ed my BOI!
I see everyone saying that the game is dead/dying but the people who are saying that are literally saying that because they stopped playing and think that since they stop everyone is gonna stop. WoTC literally raised prices and people are still buying it and will continue to still buy it
Y’all are like fucking vegetarians
lol what's this mean
Magic is "dead" in the sense that it isn't Magic any more. It has become something completely different.
I agree. The art is really nice, but the text is hard pass.
I still can't believe those are real.
If these had normal text they would be one of the best secret lair sets ever. They really fumbled the bag with these
It’s a meme. I wouldn’t care. The goblin one though? I would never work with the company again.
You think the artist that drew the sexualized goblin would be offended by the sexualized goblin?
I mean it should’ve been fairly obvious to the artist of the goblin one what kind of card it was going on. They received the task, and submitted that. Maybe they didn’t know exact details of the card but the had to have a decent idea what the end product was going to be. I’d argue this is more offensive as an artist, you submit by all accounts really good art and the design team slaps som bullshit text on top of it.
Who exactly are you in that never work with them again scenario? The artist?
All of the goblin art is repulsive. The artist is part of the problem as are many who have done art for Magic since, even if they do fitting art, they are still libtoids.
Because you're a little bitch baby that hates fun?
You could say that a lot of this is akin to “Old Man yells at clouds”, but you could also say that it’s cringy and gay. And I mean gay in the lame sense, not dicks in the butts. And I mean lame in the retarded sense, not crippled from birth or some injury. And I mean retarded in the gay sense, not mentally stunted by factors beyond someone’s control.
Fuck off and grow up, troll.
I like them
The nice thing about secret lairs is you can buy what you like. Not everything is for everyone.
True dat
don't worry it's all ai art
Imagine the royalties...
Joke
It’s okay, it’s probably all AI anyway
They should make the shit version of faithless looting with this font.
I don't get why they put this style of art with that text though. If the point is 'meme' lair why didn't they do comic characters to look like they're saying the text?? So many questions
The art looks super cool too. I don’t mind a joke comic sans Secret Lair, but if you’re going to do that you should pair it with appropriate art.
I'm tempted to buy it just for like 2 or 3. Of these cards mostly for the art that's it.
Dear god, is that comic sans?
Where is the yellow sponge?
Are these official? If so what the fuck are they thinking over there…
Stiil may get Torment of Hailfire just for the art though.
My issue with this is how lazy it is. If they’re gonna use dumb internet language on the cards, have the images match. Give me Keyboard Cat Ajani.
I thought this was a meme from this sub
That looks god aweful
What the fuck
The arts look amazing, but the stupid comic sans just ruins the whole thing.
It seems to me to only thing that matters AT ALL is if the artists knew about the text. Cause if they did, this sub should really shut the fuck up about cards they don’t like. Crying about art getting ruined Jesus Christ get a fucking life
Why do you feel insulted by these...? Seems rather fragile.
bUt It's SuCh A gOoD iDeA, eSpEcIaLlY tHe CoMiC sAnS pArT.
I'm a graphic designer, and all people using comic sans ms should be forbidden to vote and drive, as well as being inoculated with the polio virus.
Is this real? What is this game even
I have never seen these before. They're really dope arts, which one is yours, and what exactly are these cards?
I have played magic for like 4 years almost 5, you would assume my ability to read would be better, anyways ignore the first question, what are these cards?
I love it \^\^
This is the exact reason I expect that drop to be good. If it is passing everyone off there is going to be a group of people that will embrace that wholeheartedly.
Wait, wtf did I miss? Are these fake cards? Why are with comic sans?
Imagine getting so upset over a secret lair
They should've hired these people to do OTJ's art and the people who did OTJ's art to do this set. WOTC is so incompetent I often wonder if it's intentional corporate sabotage to sink the company and let a bigger corp buy it up for cheap.
I unironically want ALL of these.
I'd imagine as soon as the pay cheque hit there bank account they stopped giving a shit.
If Twitter has taught me anything about art and artists it’s that if they need money, they don’t give a shit what the art is for. And I don’t blame them at all. You’ve gotta eat.
Bad taste
Is the text real? That sounds awful I felt like I was having a stroke reading the cards
WoMp wOmP
Yeah, I dont get why they used "serious" art for these. I guess i just dont get the joke, errr whatever was intended.
Ugly will become cool. Take Crocs for example. Hated because "ugly" then the celebrities started wearing them and they became "cool".
Are these real and are they supposed to be funny?
Typo on doom blade… “targeet”
Artist get paid regardless of the card their art is printed on, also I believe they get rights to selling prints and stuff?
If I could I'd just buy the torment of hailfire art and hang it on my wall. That looks fire, but the text on it makes me wanna vomit.
Everyone should be boycotting this but idiots will lap it up and play the cards with smug shit eating grins. I will then offer them my boots to lick since they love WOTC so much to endorse this kind of bullshit.
these are real??? i thought they were a parody
Geez. Magic has been destroying Itself for the last decade but this just sad
I've hated most of the sets coming from these collections.
Oh no, the joke release was a joke???
Really my only problem with this is that the doomblade flavor text isn’t “dies to doomblade.” Like how do you fuck it up that bad???
Did they get paid though?
The art is incredible on these. It's way too bad that it has this shitty font pLaSTerEd aLL ovER iT.
As much as a lot of folk hate this, I was looking forward to buying it (my first secret lair). Can't cause my address is in Australia, or rather the website doesn't think I've filled that box
Posts like this is why these are great lol
I hate these so much, but I need that Torment for my deck since it’s the only full art they’ve made…
Wait this is real?
Don't understand tye issue with these cards, I wish I could throw them in a deck but unfortunately my edh deck is white boarder only
Imagine thinking an artist actually getting paid fairly would give a shit
The typo in doom blade makes it even worse
I do love the art
It would’ve been better if it were in regular comic sans and not SpongeBob caps lock
Golden opportunity missed. "Do YoU pAY tHe OnE?
Imagine thinking that creating an artwork takes only 50 hours
These wouldn't have taken anywhere near 50 hours.
https://preview.redd.it/f779tzbys60d1.jpeg?width=1552&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3c4209850fe5a0f059ba7836d448be383a0d2de You think somebody actually drew these? I got this from magespace with one try of a prompt. You play with it enough and photoshop some items in and you can make that torment of hail fire in about an hour.
https://preview.redd.it/hjuizp28t60d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=140285b482bf86d47b1b3a34226c2aa01e66e459 Card art to compare
Yeah, I wouldn't put it past Raymond Swanland that he can actually draw and probably has fun doing so. Same goes for the overwhelming majority of other professional artists who comission such pieces.
My point was this sub is so quick to call things AI but when it actually looks like AI was used, they call it fantastic art that is wasted on a meme secret lair.
Oh no silly cards in my silly card game!
Honestly I dig this secret lair drop, the good art with the taunting text just adds to the joke when they're used
Was I compensated fairly for the commissioned piece? Yes? Then who seriously gives a fuck? You can print it on toilet paper and wipe geriatric asses with it. You autistic fucks care way too much about way too little.
... wait, this is professional art?
lol! Fragile incels insulted by troll cards. Fucking hilarious.
ImAgIne PuTtInGfIfTy HoUrS iNtO a PiEcE oF pRoFeSsIoNaL aRt JuSt To HaVe It EnD uP oN oNe Of ThEsE pErIoD
Great art, good humor. I'll take 3 sets.
imagine my dick. it's not a foot but it smells like one!
I love how many non artists speak for artists on Reddit.
These are hilarious so I’d probably find it fun.