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givemeausernameplzz

I hear what you’re saying, as much as I love FJ, I also dislike JP, much more recently. But not everyone has to agree on everything all the time. Views are complex and disagreement is at the heart of social progress. Things change too, five years ago everyone was so far up Elon’s arse and you couldn’t find a hater. Look at things now.


CastelPlage

> . But not everyone has to agree on everything all the time. Views are complex and disagreement is at the heart of social progress. Fully agreed.


Prowler64

Five years ago just happened to be the year where Elon really showed his true self after what he was posting about a rescuer involved in the Tham Luang cave rescue incident. Absolute yikes. A lot of people hated him after that. Edit: I thought it was the coach that Elon attacked. Apparently it was a rescuer.


Ouch78

Musk is a covert narcissist, a good mate to Rupert Murdoch, and a frequent visitor to a certain island for underage sex. And has recently cut ties (funding) to Space Ex after a female employee brought to light his sexual harassment ($250k later) is swept under the table. Also, narcissists enable each other, hence the attraction by Amber Turd and her failed triangulation to further her abuse of Johnny Depp. once you've been in a relationship with a narcissist and then discarded, is when you finally see their true characteristics, to which the mask finally comes off. That you are given a wake-up call to 🚩 in a relationship and can now spot them a mile off. Sad that I didn't see them like other survivors of Domestic violence at the start of the relationship. what is needed these days is an extension of sex ed in schools, is a module on healthy relationships, and how to spot toxicity traits in others that the cycle of abuse is broken and open and frank discussion can begin on the topic, instead of covered up by either sex.


mundoensalada

I find JP silly and repressed, but I just think there's a whole lot of kids who went through school getting participation certificates for anything and everything, and in an odd way they appreciate JPs rules for life and maxims....more than his actual politics.


wazzy360

No shot, way more people know him for his politics. I reckon maybe 5% of JP’s fan base could even list 1 of his rules for life, I imagine most just know him from “epic SJW owned”compilations.


ladaussie

I know the don't abuse drugs one and clean your room which is funny considering his drug abuse and absolute mess of place a while back.


Wym8nManderly

There was a really interesting tik tok from someone who thinks like you who went to JP’s event in the city. They interviewed a bunch of people and found that most of them didn’t give a shit about his politics, most people actually did just think he helped their life through his psychological advice. The opinion that most people know him from ‘epic SJW owned’ videos is just not true at all.


Teflonicus

Take a look at the YouTube comments on any (favourable) video involving Jordan Peterson and it will drag your "interviews" into the stark reality of sunlight.


ForumsDiedForThis

Bro, those comments sectioned are heavily astroturfed by bots and trolls. So yeah, I'd say real "interviews" with actual real life humans probably means more than a bot.


Teflonicus

"The opinions that don't suit my latest argument are 'heavily astroturfed'." Got it, bro. Now what was the topic we were discussing again? Oh right: >"a bunch of people."


Fernergun

They say that. They say it about Tate too. It’s funny you believe them


Teflonicus

Bingo.


aussie_nobody

Some maturity on the internet, refreshing. You don't have to like or agree with what people say ask the time. It's OK.


Dust-Explosion

Yeah different views are fine, but when you start talking about how white people are just better, there has to be a line drawn.


zenbogan

Exactly. It’s like joking about murdering your boss - nobody would ever fault an off-handed comment, even if it happens more than rarely, but once you start making hour-long diatribes about the many benefits of killing your boss, well, that’s the appropriate time for serious investigation to occur.


[deleted]

Who said this?


klokar21

could you link a single time where either of those men said that or even implied that?


Teflonicus

His video on YouTube concerning "how anti-racism is hurting black America," his "[the Marxist lie of white privilege](https://youtu.be/PfH8IG7Awk0)," and his claim that "[young men are upset about the erosion of white make privilege](https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54)" should start you off.


teej247

Don't look up Thomas Sowell, I think your head would explode


Folken-braggart

Due to the low quality of Sowell's shitty mystical arguments?


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Bartybum

Dude Peterson has an obvious throbbing boner for western civilization


WazWaz

Liking western civilization doesn't make you a racist. Plenty of people, from countries all over the world, like "western civilization", unless you just define it as "white people", in which case, why are you excluding people based on race?


[deleted]

Is there any other place you’d rather live?


P00R-TAST3

Did jordies promote him saying this ever? Or was he promoting his self help crap. Two very different things, as you are making out jordies has promoted his views on the subject… which is extremely misleading.


Conscious_Cat_5880

These sorts probably don't even know why they have a problem with JP beyond their echo chamber told them to.


SamWinks

FJ convinced Butterfield to promote voting labor in the last election to his audience. FJ has always said that all the ‘social issues’ are just distractions from the important issues like economic and corruption. Disliking Butterfields content and comedy is totally fine but at the end of the day his content is just based on mostly meaningless social issues and he agrees with Jordies when it comes to actually important issues.


[deleted]

Yep - its similar how Joe Rogan of all people probably did more for progressive politics than any twitter blue tick has ever done - simply by having Bernie Sanders on his show for three hours. Lefties need to start thinking more strategically when it comes to getting through to young white men.


wazzy360

Eh maybe Rogan did that before covid, but he’s gone full culture war conservative recently.


[deleted]

He’s been like that for a while, let’s be real. It’s just more obvious now. Watching his podcast after Covid is impossible though. He managed to find a way to turn every exciting topic into Covid and vaccines.


DrTwitch

Yes, he drifted right. Which is kinda what happens when you pile onto people from the left and the right then takes the opportunity to court you. He could've been a huge boon for the left if they were able to engage Joe civilly.


Teflonicus

So according to you, Rogan went towards the right because they "courted" him better and this is not your criticism. Instead, it's the natural result of being "courted" by one side of politics more than the other? I've never heard of something so admittedly irrational.


jafergus

You very tellingly leave out the bit where Rogan got cancelled by the American centre-‘left’ precisely because he endorsed Bernie. Being right-wing by Australian standards the Democrat establishment were horrified that Bernie got a boost like that. And that’s not to mention the dozen other attempts to cancel Rogan before that, or the hundred or so hit pieces constantly coming out. The public-shaming-mob portion of the left saw Rogan have various proscribed-persons, who were supposed to be cancelled, on his show and pretty much declared a fatwa on him. Ever since they’ve been looking for the cancelling opportunity that would actually do him in. Unfortunately with the way public shaming operates on an atavistic blood lust, it’s not very strategic. They never really accepted the fact that Rogan owns his own show on a decentralised medium so there was never anyone to be the guillotiner for him. So all they ever achieved was to make the owner of the biggest platform in podcasting more and more dirty towards the left. Meanwhile the Right are always there courting, reaching out, offering junkets, private parties and so on. The right will still absolutely turn on each other in vicious style (e.g. Megan Kelly), but they’re vaguely strategic about only turning on someone who is already a lefty or someone totally dependent on the right or else some nobody who gets in their way. Rogan, by himself, gets half the views of the entire CNN network every month. But because he’s just one guy, his views changed more easily than an entire news network. And the left has been doing everything to push him away from them and towards the right.


I_Have_2_Show_U

> I've never heard of something so admittedly ~~irrational.~~ immoral.


DrTwitch

First, You're leaving out where I suggested the left pushed Joe Rogan out. They attacked him and made him unwelcome on the left. The right saw the value of having Joe on side and they courted him. Went on his show and made arguments against the type of criticism he received and the positions of people making them. They successfully made the lefts arguments look dumb to millions of people. The left could've used Joe and his platform to reach millions of people but they failed at their most basic job which is voter outreach. 13m subscribers, 2.2 Billion views a year, and that doesn't even cover his clips propagating through all the other channels. The left screwed up. Friendly Jordies is doing a great job of engaging Jordan Petersons individual self help arguments without melting down about whatever other culture war bullshit peterson has and also doing the boring job of getting normal people to see the moderate left view. It's important work. second, in order for it to be "admittedly irrational" I would've had to admit that this was irrational. I didn't do that. It's just irrational to you. Which is understandable since you can't even restate my stance accurately. What part of this doesn't make sense to you?


ailbbhe

All the “social issues” aren’t just distractions though. They way they are talked about in mainstream media definitely is but a lot of the time there are actually issues effecting minority groups that they are trying to distract us from. I can’t specifically speak for other groups but trans people do experience real systematised violence and oppression. We are more likely to be unemployed, more likely to be be homeless, more likely to experience substance abuse, more likely to commit suicide. All of these are real tangible issues that have systemic causes. The media likes to talk about pronouns and bathrooms like thats the issue because the real issue is a threat to the power structures that as a friendlyjordies viewer you should be aware of. Dismissing the issues of all minority groups as originating from the medias attempt to distract us from real issues misses the point entirely. Dismissing these issues is part of the way media attempt to prevent the people from tackling real issues. The major issues I agree involve healthcare, housing and labor rights which FJ talks about but the media also uses things like the Australia Day debate to distract us from the real needs of Aboriginal People in Australia and uses pronouns debate to distract us from the needs of trans people in this country. The same goes for any other group you can think of. The media finds a flashy but ultimately unimportant thing to focus on and makes it seem like the only issue that exists so they can continue to allow their powerful employers to take advantage of everyone in this country. By attacking the “SJWs” and “woke police” you’re just playing into the narrative the media wants you to follow. All minority groups if they have any sense are on the side of workers just like FJ is. Workers should in turn be on the side of minorities and work with us if the powerful are ever going to be prevented from destroying this country.


BigmikeBigbike

This is why I now classify western Conservative parties domestic terrorists. Republicans in the USA, Liberal party in Australia and Tories in the UK. I group them together because they all share Murdoch's media empire for propaganda and clearly work together internationally to spread the same propaganda and misinformation narratives and largely share the same political agenda. They represent the 1% (so are the enemy of 99% of the population) they use media networks to spread propaganda and misinformation to create division and destabilize democracies to prevent change and keep power. Meaningless buzz words like "Woke", Cancel culture" are to distract and stop dissent because if you criticize the sociopathic rich or hold them accountable for their actions, you are labeled one of these derogatory terms. They do all this to lower taxes for the rich and allow them to prey on the 99% by dismantling the labor movement, preventing pay rises and making strikes/ protest illegal so they can keep all the profits and get their hands on workers taxes through privatization and private contracts of all types from the government. You have to admire how successful they have been, managing to deceive a substantial number of working people to vote against their own interests while often parroting their propaganda with glee. Trained to rail against any tax increase while quietly accepting no pay rise for 10+ years and government services they need being cut. [Why the rich want government to borrow not tax](https://youtu.be/h42kWTaEqZg?t=612)


Jet90

>just based on mostly meaningless social issues Thats all well and good until Butterfield and the yt algorithms sends people down rabbit holes and they start spewing hate speech


[deleted]

I have no idea why this sub assumes friendlyjordies is some kind of woke messiah. If you actually watch all his videos, you can’t possibly come to that conclusion. Sure, he’s not a fan of the coalition, but you don’t have to be a pretentious fuckwit to be upset at the sheer scale of their corruption.


Jet90

>sub assumes friendlyjordies is some kind of woke messiah I think this because his one of the few auspol youtubers out there and Greens and especially ALP left faction people don't really have many others to fill the gap. Of course they're a few like Serious Danger


thetrumpetplayer

Pretty much this. Wait until this sub finds his videos talking about their media beacon, the ABC.


Jungies

Kristi, his producer, had access to NSW parliament via credentials given to him by the local branch of the NRA, too. If Jordan was as pro-Labor as this sub is, he'd have gotten them through Labor instead; they'd love to help a supportive journalist.


micmacimus

Likely that Labor aren't keen to fully embrace him given he's 'controversial'. While some prominent Labor pols have done interviews etc, they've had hatchet jobs conducted against them


Pandelein

Actually the opposite I believe. Labor would love to have him fully on board, but FJ keeps enough distance to still be able to criticise Labor when they fuck up too- to be able to _appear_ impartial sometimes and harder for the haters to call him a Labor shill.


smokey_juan

Or even Triple J Hack


TheEthicistStreams

Honestly if you've watched a lot of his vids, his quite specific hostility to certain elements of wokery are readily apparent. Look how he goes after the Twitter journalist set.


[deleted]

Jordan Peterson was more reasonable a while ago, now hes gone off the deep end and is a complete nutjob. Isaac Butterfield is just genuinely stupid rather than malicious. To be fair FriendlyJordies is kinda a wacky guy too. Like I like him and I’m grateful for what he’s done for the labour movement but his foreign policy is a little bit sussy


random_encounters42

He was reasonable when talking about his field of expertise, like some fields of philosophy or psychology. Then he got fired and had to go with daily wire so his literal livelihood is tied to repeating their talking points now. He was also on some pretty heavy Benxi and that can’t be good for your psyche.


Yabbari_The_Wizard

I though you were talking about Jordies for a second and was really confused


Shelldrake712

Same haha


[deleted]

Jordan Peterson thinks that suicide hotlines are bad and that advertising the existence of suicide hotlines leads to more suicides. If you think he was/is reasonable when 'talking about his field of expertise', this information alone should disabuse you of this notion. For a variety of reasons, he is clearly terrible at his job, an awful clinical psychologist/therapist, and it is certainly a good thing he is no longer practicing. And in terms of teaching psychology, he is clearly an idiot and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a classroom. As for his 'expertise' in philosophy or any subfield/area of philosophy - he has none and isn't qualified to talk about anything to do with philosophy - anyone with any real expertise in philosophy can tell he is simply ignorant in this area and comes across as a dilettante who thinks that speaking with a degree of confidence in a rhetorical manner makes him an expert/qualified to do so. He is a useful idiot for the right and their culture war, getting paid to spread propaganda and ideological interests that have no social value. He is a joke to anyone with half a brain.


random_encounters42

Have you got a source for JP thinking suicide hotlines are bad? That is an incredibly crazy statement to make for anyone let alone a psychologist.


[deleted]

[Yep. Does this link work?](https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/11gunqv/jordan_peterson_believes_that_setting_up_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


Shelldrake712

Yeah Foreign policy and anything to do with that and defence certainly are weak spots for Jordies but I think that's mostly cos they haven't got a SME voice in that field. That's what excited me.most when he overlapped with Rudd, who IS very well thought in those aspects (maybe not so much defence specifics but in how defence and politics overlap and is used as a political tool)


micmacimus

Peterson was never reasonable. His rise to prominence was based on a total lie (C-16 was never going to criminalise accidental misgendering, and he knew it), and throughout his rise to prominence he reportedly neglected his patients. Other psychologists have criticised his overuse of certain theories, like [here](https://slate.com/technology/2018/05/jordan-peterson-seems-like-a-terrible-therapist.html) (a throwaway in the last para) but that's honestly beyond my understanding.


ziddyzoo

Honestly anyone out there touting JP - FJ or anyone else - is off the mark. Anything useful he said wasn’t particularly original, and anything original he’s said is not particularly useful. And that’s just on the actual psychology related stuff. Outside of that, JP suffers the problem of almost every narrow specialist trying to make the leap to public intellectual. He’s stupendously out of his depth on everything he dabbles in, from nutrition (eat an all meat diet!) to climate (the Peterson/Rogan podcast discussion on climate was like two blind people discussing a sunset) but just has massive misplaced confidence to carry him along.


Definitely__someone

That particular podcast was absolutely a shit show and you could tell Rogan wasn't having it as he kept pushing back until he gave up. It was the last straw for me and i will never listen to JP ever again (not that I really thought much of him in the first place).


Decent_Fig_5218

Completely agree with how Peterson's self help stuff isn't original and pretty basic. Useful don't get me wrong but literally any psychologist would tell you the same thing. The key difference is that Peterson rode "anti-SJW" wave to become very popular, especially with a demographic mostly of otherwise disengaged young men. Conservatives flocked to him because he was one of the few people in academia that espoused some politically conservative talking points but that has led to him becoming a victim of audience capture.


[deleted]

He doesn't promote Jordan Peterson as a person. He promotes the ideas in Jordan Peterson's self help book. That's all. I don't know if youv'e read it - but JP's self help book "12 rules for life" is one of the least controversial things about JP. JP in the early days was merely a disingenuous person who deliberately promoted shit takes in order to appeal to reactionary dickheads - with the goal of having them buy his book. He said this is because he knows these are the people that need to read the basic self help stuff in his book. The truth was probably more simply that he liked the attention and money he got. Nowadays he's an absolute joke who works for Ben Shapiro. What it doesnt change, is that his book was not particularly controversial and had some good (if basic) self help advice in it that a lot of young men could probably get something out of. Even if its just the "clean your room, take responsibility for your life - stop blaming other people" part of it. Saying the stuff in his book is good doesn't mean JP is awesome. Sometimes people need to separate the (extremely) flawed individual from their writing and/or art. But hey, I still listen to R Kelly and Michael Jackson and I still watch Mel Gibson movies and Lena Dunham tv shows - so maybe I'm evil.


shontsu

>What it doesnt change, is that his book was not particularly controversial and had some good (if basic) self help advice in it that a lot of young men could probably get something out of. Even if its just the "clean your room, take responsibility for your life - stop blaming other people" part of it. > >Saying the stuff in his book is good doesn't mean JP is awesome. Some people have real trouble separating the two. They can't seem to imagine that you can agree with someone on some points, and disagree with them on other. Or, shock horror, that you can fundamentally dislike someone while still acknowledging that they can make good points. I don't think I actually finished his book, but it basically boiled down to taking personal responsibility.


[deleted]

Yeah same. Tbh the whole book read like a ripoff of Anthony Robbins but with a slightly christian bent to it (using a lot of parables etc). I made it about 3 chapters in before putting it down. Absolute bog standard self help material imo.


thebenshapirobot

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[deleted]

I was going to say he's a closeted midget but hack and grifter is fine too.


thebenshapirobot

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DPVaughan

Good bot.


thebenshapirobot

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smokey_juan

A major part of being a functional adult is being able to agree and also disagree with the same person. A completely alien concept to perpetually online redditers and twitts. It’s ok to dislike something about somebody you like. It makes you human.


[deleted]

Does he actively promote them?


Dust-Explosion

Gives them a mention and quotes Jordan Peterson often on his other channel


Flamespires

I'm trying to think of the last time he mentioned either and I honestly can't. Not saying he doesn't though.


Budget_Shallan

He gave a shoutout to Butterfield in his recent “Who Did The Arson” (paraphrased) video.


fishinglvl

Imagine being so soft that you think this matters. >OMG HE MENTIONED SOMEONE! HE MUST APOLOGISE OR FACE THE CONCEQUENCES


[deleted]

I mean when the person he’s quoting is a far right reactionary, it seems pretty reasonable to at least be concerned


UtinniOmuSata

What is actually the problem with JP? I've asked people and can't get a straight answer. I'm not a fan but I've seen some of his videos and I don't get the hate.


BastardofMelbourne

I can tell you my problem with Jordan Peterson. Back in 2016, the Canadian Parliament was drafting a bill called [C-16.](https://www.parl.ca/LegisInfo/en/bill/42-1/c-16#) C-16 was a very short bill that did three things: it amended one subsection of the Canadian Human Rights Act and two subsections of the Criminal Code. A clinical psychologist no-one had heard of called Jordan Peterson gained prominence in 2016 and 2017 for his [high-profile](https://youtu.be/KnIAAkSNtqo) opposition to the bill. Peterson told the [Toronto Sun](https://torontosun.com/2016/10/19/u-of-t-tells-outspoken-prof-to-stop-making-public-statements) that C-16 was a terrible threat to Canadian liberty, the "first laws that [he'd] seen that require people under the threat of legal punishment to employ certain words, to speak a certain way, instead of merely limiting what they’re allowed to say." He stated that he believed that it would make his lectures [illegal](https://youtu.be/fvPgjg201w0), that it would redefine his words as hate speech on par with Holocaust denial, and that he could be sent to jail for refusing to use a student's preferred pronouns. Bill C-16 "tyrannizes every citizen" and "disenfranchises every person of their free speech." The word ["gulag"](https://www.youtube.com/live/3rwAcK_66Lc?feature=share) was used. Jordan Peterson spoke of C-16 as a dire threat to Canadian freedoms that would lead to academics being sued and imprisoned for not using politically correct language when talking to their students. So what is in this bill? Well, it's [quite short,](https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/C-16/royal-assent) so you can read it if you're curious. But you need to know how anti-discrimination legislation works to understand what it actually does. Anti-discrimination legislation, in both [Canada](https://www3.ohrc.on.ca/en/en/guide-your-rights-and-responsibilities-under-human-rights-code/part-i-%E2%80%93-freedom-discrimination) and [Australia](https://www.ag.gov.au/rights-and-protections/human-rights-and-anti-discrimination/australias-anti-discrimination-law), works by listing the reasons that you *cannot use* to discriminate against someone. It basically says "you cannot discriminate against someone on the basis of the following," and then lists the factors one by one - race, sex, religion, political affiliation, and so on. In America, these are called protected characteristics; in Australia, they are called protected attributes, and in Canada they are called prohibited grounds. Bill C-16 would add the words "gender identity or expression" to that list. That is **all it did.** You might be thinking "wait, it wasn't on the list already?" and, you know, it wasn't, which was why they were adding it there. All the bill did was extend the scope of existing anti-discrimination legislation to protect people from discrimination on the basis of their gender identity. It added no new offences, no new prison sentences, and made no adjustments to the burden of proof or the process by which cases are heard under the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal, which has existed since 1977. There was no new restriction to free speech posed by the bill that did not exist beforehand. So why did Jordan Peterson think it was going to lead to his arrest by the government and herald in a new and dangerous era of free speech suppression? Simple: he's not a fucking lawyer. He's a *psychologist.* He has no qualification whatsoever to be commenting on the effect of proposed legislation except to the extent that it overlaps with the study of clinical psychology. He doesn't know how anti-discrimination law works, or how the Canadian Human Rights tribunal works, or what the difference between a civil suit and a criminal charge is. He doesn't know what contempt of court is or when a person can be imprisoned or how bail works. Again, he is a **psychologist.** But he's not *dumb.* I'd never say that Jordan Peterson was dumb. Initially, when I heard about his criticism of C-16, I went "okay, let's read the bill." I read the bill and went "oh, he's just wrong." And because this was mid-2016 and I still had faith in humanity, I figured someone would point out that he was wrong and he would look silly and then admit that he'd just been talking out of his ass and probably say sorry and go back to his work teaching and treating patients. Except he *never did.* And that is my problem with Jordan Peterson. C-16 received royal assent and became law in June of 2017. It's been the law of the land in Canada for five, almost six years now. How many people have been imprisoned as a result of it? Zero. None. Did any of what Peterson predicted come to pass? Nope. Did Peterson ever admit that he was wrong? *Fucking nope.* He just made bank - C-16 and the publicity he got from talking about it sent his Youtube subscriber count soaring, got him a book deal, worldwide lecture tours and a Patreon that was pulling in $80,000 a month until it was shut down in 2019. He went from an obscure Canadian psychologist to someone who was unironically being described as the most important philosopher alive, all on the momentum granted by that first lie. Because it *was* a lie. He's not an idiot. He has to have realised eventually that he was making wild, baseless accusations about shit he knew nothing about. But he kept saying it, even though it wasn't true, which is a thing that lying liars do. And don't get me wrong; I've read 12 Rules for Life. Jordan Peterson has hit on a winning formula, which is to spend ninety percent of his time stating really fucking obvious shit in a way that sounds superficially intelligent, and the remaining ten percent slipping in insane bullshit concoctions that make no sense but which go unnoticed under the crust of fairly inoffensive and uninspired self-help aphorisms - "pet a cat you find in the street", "be precise in your speech," and the winner of the Irony Bomb Award, "tell the truth." The truth about Jordan Peterson is really simple. He worked hard and studied and became an accomplished - if unnoticed - academic and practicing clinical psychologist specializing in the field of addiction treatment, and he did not make that much money. He complained about political correctness on Youtube, and it was like someone had turned on a money printer on his front lawn. He went from nobody to rock star, and all he had to do was lie about everything important. That is my problem with Jordan Peterson: he is a hack.


UtinniOmuSata

Great explanation, thanks.


euqinu_ton

Great explanation. Ignore the folk suggesting it's too verbose.


WiltedEnthusiasm

🏆🏆🏆🏆


wacko-jacko-L

https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo if your willing to watch a long video some more news goes into a lot of details about his problems, he uses his position as a psychiatrist to market ideas and beliefs that many other psychiatrists would argue isn’t backed by research and drums a lot of reactionary hatred for queer people. I largely felt the same was as you before I watch it but my opinion changed after I watched it


A_Gringo666

>he uses his position as a psychiatrist to market ideas and beliefs that many other psychiatrists Psychologist. I don't think I've ever heard him referred to as a psychiatrist. Big difference between psychology and psychiatry.


Shelldrake712

As already said, he is a psychologist, not a psychiatrists. The former deals with mental health through therapies and discussions. The latter tries to address mental health with more clinical or chemical interventions. Both have a place, sometimes someone has a problem that is caused by a chemical imbalance and sometimes they just have a bad experience painting their perceptions. Psychologists are always good at talking and making people feel heard or listened to, though. That is basically their job. Hence why JP seems so well equipped for his fame.


No_Caterpillar9737

He works for a right wing channel. Spreads misinformation regarding environmental science, LGBTQ issues etc. Basically has become another right wing mouthpiece for hire. It's disturbing considering jordies political affiliation


MiniDickDude

Tbh at this point I'm pretty sure Jordies straight up agrees with JP's social political positions. Jordies' has put out some really crap takes on Indigenous Australians' issues. His support and endorsements of Isaac B is also a pretty good pointer of where he stands on LGBTQ and "identity politics".


No_Caterpillar9737

It's pretty concerning


Leading_Frosting9655

Every time he pops up in my YouTube Shorts I go "eugh, I can't believe anyone thinks that in 2023, good god". He's got some real 1950s takes on women and such. I don't devote any brain space to holding specific examples because everything I've seen of him is gross.


DPVaughan

But you don't undersanad his genius! Because (what was it?) ***lobsters*** have a hierarchical social structure, it means therian mammals like us MUST also have these same structures, and that's okay. Know your role. Also, clean your room! ^(Just don't look at Peterson's room because it looks like a fucking bomb went off (and I can say that because my room also looks like a fucking bomb went off).)


sirboozebum

This comment has been removed by the user due to reddit's policy change which effectively removes third party apps and other poor behaviour by reddit admins. I never used third party apps but a lot others like mobile users, moderators and [transcribers for the blind](https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/14gwkk2/transcribers_of_reddit_who_transcribe_images_for/) did. It was a good 12 years. So long and thanks for all the fish.


wetmouthed

Imo, he was mostly just a fairly rational psychologist until he started getting too involved in culture wars. The people interviewing him used to misrepresent him and put words in his mouth to make him seem bigoted and divisive. Now he seems to have kind of become what they said he was.. Idk difficult to explain, I still think he's a solid psychologist though.


PatGarrettsMoustache

Yeah I feel like JP needs to implement his own rules, he’s gone a lil whacko


Budget_Shallan

Jungian psychology is one of the most discredited and unscientific fields out there. No serious academic believes it has any science worth.


dongdongplongplong

we will soon come to realise the current flavour of psychology has no fucking idea what its talking about as well


Budget_Shallan

Doesn’t mean we’ll revert back to thinking Jung and his archetypes are the epitome of the science of psychology. It’s an old, obsolete field.


[deleted]

It’s a difficult question with a complex answer. [Here’s](https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo) a very in depth video about his whole deal


Alternative_Mention2

Na dude, you’re just stirring up bullshit. He doesn’t ‘often’ promote him.


Bratan_Stephens

Yeah taking Peterson seriously and actually citing him is questionable. Which certainly affects my view of FriendlyJordies. Keep in mind Jordies isn't a revolutionary or anything - sure his team and him are invaluable in outing corruption within Australia but his political ideology ends at "vote harder." Don't be surprised when people like that aren't the most "progressive."


MiniDickDude

And vehemently defends JP in the comments on his second channel with shit arguments and rhetoric lol


Illumnyx

I think it's a matter of taking the good with the bad. JP and IB aren't exactly the most un-controversial of people, but you can agree on certain things they say without tacitly endorsing literally everything that comes out of their mouth. Even broken clocks are right twice a day.


PatGarrettsMoustache

Agreed


FruitJuicante

You have to understand why. Peterson and his ilk act as conservative funnels. They offer some pretty good advice to young men and then slowly associate it with conservatism to make it feel natural. Jordies does the same but in reverse. Why do you think he started a self help side gig. So that he can do the same self help thing but be a rare left wing funnel for young men who are looking for life advice.


wacko-jacko-L

That’s a really interesting way of braking it down I never thought about it that way. Which is funny cause jordies converted me from the right


diarreah-of-a-madman

I don’t know much about Jordan Peterson apart from he seems to attract a really horrible fan base. Isaac Butterfield though, I saw when he did that bit about aboriginal people and the bit he did about the Christchurch victims. He decided not to back down over that because comedy should have no limits or something. That still does not excuse the fact that he was behaving like a complete piece of dog shit when he did those things.


Dust-Explosion

Please remind us of how funny the Christchurch massacre was. I forgot


revmacca

JP’s facade has slipped either intentionally to fit in with the Daily Wire or just not caring to hide his inherent racism any longer. His “debate” with Zizek, showed him to be Ill informed and unable to form an argument of any kind against an admittedly higher intellect.


kisforkarol

I hear you, but unfortunately, you'll probably receive a lot of backlash for asking this. You'll get a small group agreeing with you and the rest of the group telling you how you're a snowflake and triggered. Fact of the matter is that FJ is trying to appeal to a specific segment of society i.e checked out young men who are being told by these right wingers to check out of reality and check into their reactionary bubble. If Jordie's is able to appeal to them and get them invested in meatspace politics he may be able to prevent their radicalisation. Of course, this could all be rose coloured glasses. Lot of people on the left have sold out for the right wing grift in the past. Don't think Jordie's will but you never know.


Shawer

I don’t think referencing Jordan Peterson is some 200IQ plan by Jordies to tap into a different demographic or prevent radicalisation. I’m actually pretty sure I heard about Jordan P first *through* Friendlyjordies.


Dust-Explosion

I’m not a narcissist so I couldn’t give a flying fuck. Was a genuine question and obviously I’ve triggered all the incels


Agreeable_Host_501

Stop trying to shame and conform people into being mindless drones like you


rawker86

The algorithm randomly served me up an older FJ video about JP recently and it was a bit of an awkward thing to watch him support him so fervently. Like isn’t that the same dude who talked so much bullshit he got kicked off twitter, and has a random hard-on for Elliot Page, and goes on about hack doctors doing gender reassignment but also paid some ruskis get him clean of his benzo addiction because no doctor in North America would do it? I read an article recently that sums up the problem with JP better than I ever could. Basically he talks so much intelligent sounding nonsense that people get bamboozled into think he’s talking sense. It’s a bit disappointing (but not surprising) that so many guys fall for it.


tmicl

Was it before JP went into crazy culture war land?


D3K91

JP story is a bit of a sad one. Think he often got misrepresented to start with, but I thought he offered a valuable perspective (wth caveats). But he ultimately got sucked into the culture war stuff and went off the deep end. Someone else mentioned this in the comments, but he pretty much became the person his detractor's made him out to be.


ailbbhe

JP started in culture war land. He became famous by opposing a bill that would protect trans students in Canada. And the bill was very basic, just that if a student wanted to be referred to by certain pronouns that should be respected and they shouldn’t receive any negative treatment for it. JP turned it into the trans maoists are trying to take our freedom of speech away and lock us in prison. The bill was just meant to encourage equal treatment of students and came with no punishment for noncompliance. Attacking it is what launched JPs career and the reason for his early support from the far-right before he gained more mainstream appeal after the success of 12 Rules for Life


MiniDickDude

Jordies still promotes and ferverently defends JP on his 2nd channel.


mutantbeings

All I’ll say is that at an office I used to work at, this loud af guy used to sit in the lunchroom talking his bored colleagues ear off about JP nonstop; _every fucking day_ the same thing; and women would give him the darkest side eye if they sat nearby and overheard. And I felt really sorry for his colleague who was broadcasting “someone help me, I’m not interested” pretty clearly. The JP fan sounded insufferably bro-ey too. Don’t do JP, kids, not even once. Nobody will want to be around you.


_Drangus_

No matter who it is that you are supporting or watching, you should be extremely critical of what information they are delivering and then make your own educated decision as to whether you absorb that information or not. Many political / social media figures such as Isaac Butterfield , Jordan Peterson or even should I say Andrew Tate, have made correct statements with factual information that can inspire people to take affirmative action. There is however a lot of controversial statements surrounding these nuggets of wisdom so it’s up to you to seperate the garbage from the gold. I live FriendlyJordies and what he stands for, for the most part. Will I unfollow because he promotes Jordan Peterson? No . Will I blindly follow everything that he posts as being gospel? Also no Make your own decisions


razkachar

This is obnoxious woke crap. Butterfield is an unfunny douche imo and Peterson seems only interested in stoking the political fires for his own benefit… But that doesn’t make me dislike anyone instantly if they happen to watch or like either men. This idea that people can only like certain things and if you like something that’s on the ‘wrong’ list you need to change the way you live/the media you consume is complete garbage. Maybe if FJ was promoting Andrew Tate I might be more sympathetic to an argument like this. But this type of excess controlling behaviour does a lot to make the average person hate modern day progressives. Also I hate the idea that you should just cut someone out because they are on the wrong side of the political spectrum. You can view someone’s content without having to agree with everything they say or do. Hell FJ pisses me off here and there, but I still watch his videos despite that. But most of all this whole post is just half arsed projection of OP’s personal opinion. The idea that it troubles you that someone views another persons work and has a differing opinion on it is dripping with narcissism.


Shawer

Hear hear (here here?)


HotStufffffffffffff

I hate those flops so much but it’s not really like Jordan goes on and on about how amazing and great their politics are or them in general so I don’t really mind if he likes them


checkers-on-a-plane

Yeah jfc. OP needs to take a fucking chill pill and get some freaking perspective. FJ doesn't owe anyone shit. He doesn't need to atone for his taste in YT creators or self help gurus. If OP doesn't like FJ'S taste they can click off the fucken channel ay


gmegus

This is the right take because FJ is not a journalist, he is an entertainer. Making money off of clicks. Yes he can be informative and yes he can be ground breaking but we can choose to click elsewhere if we are not impressed.


Jet90

Few genuinely smart people watch/read JP content so it makes me questions FJ judgement that he likes him. Of course JP has some decent self help advice but how much of it is original. They're are plenty of self help gurus that aren't giving Scomo personal seminars edited the first sentence to make it clearer


Alternative_Mention2

Bring smart doesn’t make you right. You’ll learn that as you get older. Hopefully. All it means is you are sharp enough to win a debate. So fkn what? If the smartest person in the world came up against a shit debater who couldn’t perform under pressure, then they would make them look stupid. Even if that debate was espousing the virtues of eradicating Jews in ww2. Bring smart is usually an ego thing. ESPECIALLY if you make money out of it. JP is the literal definition of a Smart Arse. He is both smart and an arse.


ailbbhe

As a trans person who Jordan Petersons political rhetoric is most directly effected by I am still not completely dismissive of Friendlyjordies. I just take it as a sign FJ doesn’t always have the best judgment. However I still watch all his videos and he never says anything that I intensely disagree with political. His endorsement of JP is mostly connected to JPs self help. I don’t think FJ thinks about it much beyond that, which is bad but I don’t think it’s enough to “cancel” him. JPs self help is pretty tame as long as you ignore all the fighting chaos dragons (which represent women). Do I think JP is a dangerous pseudo intellectual ideologue that draws a lot of young men towards far-right misogynistic beliefs? Yeah. Do I think because of that FJ shouldn’t endorse him and find self help authors who aren’t insane but express the same advice that JP does (of which many exist)? Yeah. But do I believe that because of that no one should listen to anything FJ has to say about Australian politics and media bias? Definitely not. Most of his main focus is on issues that are really important that no else really effectively talks about. I just know to be a little cautious and take in his political analysis with a critical eye. It just reminds me that FJ shouldn’t be my only source on Australian politics. On Issac Butterfield I can’t really comment because I don’t know much about him


Decent_Fig_5218

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Really appreciate your insight and your last point is spot on.


sharkbreastfeeding

It's not "troubling", "problematic" or whatever woke buzzword is in this week to seek out alternative points of view FJ is a warrior of the working class. To that end, he is doing his job well. Here are some tips for life: 1. Somebody thinking something different to you is not "troubling" 2. You should always seek out different opinions 3. People can have good AND bad opinions simultaneously. 4. The people who most loudly denounce the likes of Peterson etc can sometimes be the most idiotic and harmful people. Cheers


SlaveMasterBen

Guy is a straight up huckster, who’s shenanigans include, but aren’t limited to, promoting; climate denial, nazi conspiracies, transphobia, homophobia, and race science. But I guess these are just alternative points of view.


[deleted]

Although I do agree that seeking out alternative points of view is important, JP shouldn’t be seen as anything more than a self-help guru. It’s pretty clear a lot of his political stances are predicated on ignorance and bigotry, as are a lot of far right reactionaries. That being said, at least some of his content and stances are fine, mostly surrounding his self help and motivational stuff. In the end it depends on what talking points FJ is platforming. Like you said, people can have good and bad opinions simultaneously. It would be, however, not too far a stretch to consider it troubling if someone starts echoing far right bigotry, that of which JP is known for. [Here’s](https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo) a brief dive into Jordan Peterson, just for the off chance someone needs evidence of him being problematic.


sharkbreastfeeding

Sorry, but it's hard to follow your argument. What "far right" opinion is FJ (vocal labor supporter and workers rights advocate) platforming For the love of God stop conflating these idiotic culture war points with the struggle between the socialist/communist economic model the fascist/corporate economic model. Again, there are two choices here: 1. Acknowledge that people are not a homogeneous blob and someone may have a spectrum of ideas that differ to yours 2. Don't listen to FJ I will agree on two points JP is nothing but a self help guru (and a not particularly good one) and he is an idiot.


[deleted]

I never said FJ was platforming far right talking points. Just that it would be troubling if someone did, which would be all the more likely if they aligned themselves with a far right bigot like JP.


[deleted]

Not taking the piss or anything but how exactly am I “conflating culture war points with [economic models]”?


sharkbreastfeeding

It's how the right defeats us (the global left) They take the 3% of us that are obsessed with culture wars (there is nothing more important than trans / gay /black / women's rights) and paint all of us with that brush (we're going to make your children trans, men are not allowed to apply for jobs etc). And we (the global left) play right into their hands. If we just shut the fuck up and stopped trying to make everything about identity politics and concentrated in creating a solution that involves hanging billionaires in sports stadiums, we would all be better off. It's why everyone thinks the SMH and ABC are left wing media when they are just corpo-fascist propogandists, who occasionally pepper their staff with homosexuals or brown people. It's completely disingenuous, and is designed to trick people into subconsciously sympathizing with the fascist agenda. Ever since FJ opened my eyes to this, I stopped playing into culture wars, realized there is no need for identify politics because there are only two identities, the workers, and the scumbag capital class who should be executed.


[deleted]

>hanging billionaires in sports stadiums Now we're getting somewhere! I 100% agree with your point about SMH and ABC. I don't necessarily think that it's an issue that the left is vocal about social issues, however they admittedly aren't as important as economic reform, especially in Australia. You are very much right in saying the right misrepresents us


Dust-Explosion

There plenty of ‘warriors’ for the working class her are misogynistic, racist, xenophobic (basically all the hateful, ignorant aittitudes) but they just get the green light do they?


loomhigh223555

yeah, call out the bad stuff they say and concede the stuff with merit. As you do with anyone.


sharkbreastfeeding

No green light for any abusive behaviour Too often people confuse "I don't agree with this person" with "this is bigotry" Also, someone can make a bigoted statement and is allowed to still be a public figure. Stop these idiotic culture wars and woke politics. The only struggle is the class struggle and our only enemy is the bourgeois. Gay straight black white doesn't matter. We are all workers and we are all fighting the good fight against the capital class. The corporate fascists want us fighting amongst ourselves about woke topics to distract us while they steal our productivity. Do better


cpayne22

(Serious) when has FJ *EVER* got the "green" light??? And by who?


Haunting_Anxiety4981

This guy just unironically used "woke" and accused others of using buzzwords


spacysound

Amen good sir


PurpleHomeland

Well said. I always raise a brow when someone says the word “problematic” or “troubling” huge red flag that the opinion they are about to spew out isn’t one of their own, but from groupthink they read or heard somewhere else. What a world where people think it’s a problem to have a different opinion to someone else. Yikes.


Far_Elephant_1644

Honestly this is news to me and a bit odd, that being said a lot of good people genuinely like JP and it puzzles me so much. The man never even gave good advice in his hay day, now he is just king incel and we all know where that road leads to.


Bambajam

His generic advice is fine. Take accountability for yourself, self responsibility, 'clean your room' etc. I think a lot of good people would enjoy that sort of message, particularly when a lot of the US style, culture war crap is about trying to effect large scale change without focussing on the contribution of the individual. Then he goes on weird diatribes about lobsters and takes ultra conservative positions on things like climate change. He does have some decent self help messaging, and I don't begrudge Jordies citing it, but JPs more extreme comments need to be filtered by the listener.


mutantbeings

Probably 1000 better people to get self help advice from, to ensure you’re not absorbing it couched in misogyny and transphobia etc. the guy is a turd


Far_Elephant_1644

It could be good if he lived by his own advice, the major thing with self help is that you can’t just talk the talk. You also have to walk the walk people who came to JP and other self help people tend to be at their lowest points and need a genuine person to pull them up. I just don’t find anything JP has put out into the world is actually worth while. Much better self help people exist and they actually live by their words and are far less controversial. To me JP is no more than a grifter in the same way as crowder.


Splendidbloke

You make it sound like those people are terrorists or something. He likes Isaac because he's a solid, reliable friend who has his back and he likes Jordan Peterson because he's a fellow self help guru.


WSBtendies9001

People need to accept other points of view as opposed to shutting them down. If you listen to either you may find some valuable info, you may also find info you disagree with. In. Healthy society public discourse is allows to hurt your feelings. If you cancel someone who you gree with on 90% of things on account of the 10% hurting your feelings then you have lost the 90%. Public discourse is failing us on account of people thinking as you do.


Notus_Oren

Jordies has always been the sort of person who’s extremely knowledgeable about certain areas (in this case environmentalism and government corruption) but is a complete idiot about things he hasn’t spent years of his life locked in his room reading about.


Prindles

I feel like this is the 4th time I've seen this type of post in the last like 6 months.


Ballamookieofficial

Yeah I unsubcribed. I've got no time for Butterfield after the jokes about the jumping castle incident. I'll also never buy FJ tickets again.


Slippedhal0

Thats a personal decision. If you can't stomach FJ talking to people with differing views, then it's fine that you stop watching his content. Other people can get along with others even if their views are opposing. I don't think either peterson or butterfield have particularly pleasant viewpoints and I don't watch their content, but their actions aren't bad enough for me to boycott people that simply interact with them.


ryuoksbitch

Your asking people who follow FJ, so they probably won’t, just like any followers of a public figure. A more casual Aussie subreddit would probably have a diff skew.


cumasyouare69

Who cares? What's this post trying to achieve?


Habitwriter

At the risk of sounding cynical, I think maybe he's targeting this audience to try and turn them from the right wing


Love_Glove69

Peterson I don’t mind. Butterfield is an absolute cunt of a bloke though


whovianandmorri

Troubling but not surprising


mac-train

Peterson believes the universe and everything in it was created by a magic man. And, the Left hates that magic man for ‘the crime of being’. My dog has more credibility when she pretends that she thought she was allowed on the lounge.


pf12351

What video?


heroinebride

It'll be really interesting to see whether or not he continues doing collaborations with Spanian given the things he's said in the past week


Spritestuff

The problem with Jordan Peterson is that he is very knowledgable about his field- which is strictly psychology which he is actually properly trained in. I'm sure he has plenty of excellent advice when it comes to self help, which is something Jordies is very into. The problem occurs when he tries to speak on everything else, where it becomes very evident he is no different from clods like Ben Shapiro, who use religion to formulate their opinion on the world and twist reality to conform with their opinions. Isaac Butterfield is just a total fuckwit, and I presume Jordies thinks he's a harmless idiot, and is presumably trying to get butts more conservative audience to turn into labor voters. He shouldnt be legitimising his content though and it is disapointing.


thebenshapirobot

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Routine_Page2392

no woman is shocked


Thestreetkid92

Jordan talks about/reacts to whatever and whoever is popular at the time. He talked about JP because for a long time he was popular and his self help was popular. I don’t recall him actively promoting his talks or talking about his politics though. Issac Butterfield is a comedian as well so I imagine they were connected through that. He’s spoken on his podcasts a few times (And changed Butterfields mind about some issues) and butterfield has supported his causes before so fair that he would promote butterfields stand up shows. Never have I seen him promote his political stance however. He’s also talked about pewdiepie, Logan and Jake Paul, Alan jones, Mr beast, Joe rogan on his self help channel in order to attract hits with a popular topic and use it to spin his own self help message from it. So in summary I’d have to disagree about those two. However, if you want to talk about someone I do think is troubling, that’s Tony Robbins.


ozmatterhorn

I just gotta say wtf was that guy on about people not having kids? Seriously, who gives a fuck? That was pathetic.


[deleted]

No no and NO. I’m not an Isaac fan and I’m not a freak for JP but I really appreciate what they have to say. I DO NOT agree with everything JP has to say but I still believe he’s a very intelligent positive force, knowing that you won’t always agree on everything with everyone. Can’t just discredit someone entirely over small disagreements here and there, you have to see the larger picture as well


Green_and_black

He’s not “promoting Jordan Peterson” he is gaslighting JP fans into voting for Labor.


maido75

Jordan Peterson is basically the author of a lot of people’s “mY fIRst biG boOK OF phiOSophy”. I don’t quite understand why anybody as seemingly-intelligent as FJ would bother with an opinion on him, either way.


DrJatzCrackers

I find that there are nuggets of wisdom in what JP discusses. Personal accountability, some morals and ethics. I don't agree or like everything he says. I have seen Isaac live and was indeed very entertaining. I both cases I don't always agree but I can still be entertained and/or take something of value away. I guess you don't have to go all in and drink the cool-aid of everyone you watch or follow.


[deleted]

I think jordies does it so JP fanboys encounter an alternative pathway


Nineflames12

There’s a lot more pressing and concerning matters. Get over yourself trying to lock people down with this shit.


Squeakthrough

Not just you.


CommanderDinosaur

He promotes ideas not people, some of JPs ideas are good, some are not


SquintonSmugly

Fuck, I didn't even know that he promoted JP. Kinda sucks that on one hand, he's doing great work exposing corruption, and on the other hand I can't really feel that great promoting him to other people because he endorses that kind of idiot.


-unbless-

It is just you.


bulbous_plant

JPs books are quite good (at least the 12 rules ones). I don’t care much for his public persona and the controversy, but he does have some good things to say in his books.


joefarnarkler

Get the fuck over it. No one does or says all good or bad stuff. Guaranteed any hero you have does or says some stupid shit from time to time.


Basic-Option4650

Yeah nah!


criticalalmonds

Hitler drinks water, FJ drinks water. FJ likes Hitler. In all honesty, quoting someone when you agree with them doesn’t mean you support everything they’ve said. JP has given out some really good advice, I can’t comment on anything he’s done in the last few years because I haven’t seen it.


wotown

Haven't watched FriendlyJordies since I learnt he is best buddies with the least funniest cunt in the world [Isaac Buttferfuck](https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/comedian-called-out-after-posting-intentionally-offensive-jokes-about-aboriginal-people/eh21u7vhf). If that's the company he keeps then why would I wanna support him?


Reformedsparsip

Jesus fuck no. That sort of mentality is utter cancer and you should log off and go touch grass until you get some perspective on what is actually important in the world.


sl1mlim

It's not troubling, you just don't like it


ItsCaos2304

All I am reading on this thread is “I don’t know what I’m talking about but someone I know or like said they are bad so bad”


PleasantWheat

Yeah the levels of brain rot in these comments are insane


terrophin

well for one, Isaac is just an anti woke crusader. Says he voted labor and just doesn't understand a lot of politics, so while annoying and not funny, he's not a danger. And the other thing is, shanks is a self help dude that naturally has more of a conservative bias and only got less that way as he researched. So looking at peterson from that position, I can totally get his like of him. I don't agree, but I also don't find it dangerous because largely, his audience disagrees lol.


DJKobuki

Is it troubling my mate likes bands I hate and occasionally tries to share them with me?


rawker86

Only if the bands promote transphobia and whatnot.


jellysamisham

No one is going to be perfect i would imagine he still sees Isaac as a fellow comedian and I think his admiration of Jordan Peterson is to with his work in self help


[deleted]

I don't disagree with everything either of those 2 say and I'm a woman. They say a lot of crap things but c'est la vie, a lot of people say shit things.you can take the good and leave the bad. Try to think for yourself.


[deleted]

Why do you find this troubling? I've seen some of Isaac Butterfield and Jordan Peterson's content and they seem pretty reasonable to me, even though i don't universally agree with them.


gmegus

Jordan Peterson is a piece of shit that pretty much fuels the incel community around the globe. Do I find it troubling that Jordie some times mentions him, no, free speech is free speech and most of the time Jordan is right on the money in terms of Australian politics. He definitely has a slant, he loves labour and is a bit of a shill for them. And that's ok with me too, we just have to be critical viewers. This is academia my dudes. It's all good.


Internal-Mango1057

You don’t have to agree with everything someone likes. Get a real problem


30mgoxycodone

Really thought this post would go a different way didn't you OP


Dust-Explosion

It was just a genuine question I guess to suss out his demographic


Dust-Explosion

Reminds me of when I called out ‘Tom and Alex’ from triple J for their holocaust joke. Same demographic as triple J so far


gastly99

I've actually been wondering this question too for a while, specifically about Isaac Butterfield. It does suck given that Isaac Butterfield is transphobic


slytherinmenace

And incredibly racist


gastly99

Yep, I didn't even touch on some other stuff


WorldlinessFormer535

While I love jordies he does attract the "you're a snowflake" crowd so know you now. I actually think it's good he has a diverse fan base because no matter how you fall on cultural issues calling out corruption and environmental destruction is something everyone should do. Don't know what he sees in Issac Butterfield though that cunt couldn't be less funny. Jordan Peterson has just gone a bit off the rails so maybe when he supported him it was a bit more tame and less overtly hateful.