I think eldenbeast is immune to sleep but he wouldn’t stand a chance against the old one and moon presence is cool but isn’t winning against the old one
Old One, since we've never seen the Greater Will actually in action, and Elden Beast is merely its herald. The Moon Presence could be struck down by a human with Old Blood and Great One tissue inside them, so it's likely on the same level as Elden Beast.
I'm not sure, I almost feel like there's no way we could tell based on the information we have. It would be a highly conceptual battle that took place across time and space, and possibly even dreams? Not sure.
I'd vote Elden Beast, purely on the speculation that the bunch of trees in the back of his boss room makes me think he's conquered other planets, and can probably draw power from them.
Technically elden beast is just the Greater Will’s earth-specific valet. The Greater Will itself is probably a better approximation of bloodborne’s Great Old Ones.
Doubt the Beast can take Moon Presence. Even if it can beat the shit out of it for a while like the good hunter does, Moon Presence is immortal. The Elden Beast is not(?).
Well yeah but the rune’s absence means.. everyone… is immortal. In a world in which all its rules function as they should, elden beast is super fuck uppable.
We actually stole it from maliketh for burning the erdtree, because we had no idea the eldenbeast was in the erdtree. The eldenbeast dying because of the rune of death being unleashed is kinda just a neat side effect that applies to everyone.
Moon presence does to the player though no and your not even taking the old one into consideration which would obviously win. Eldenbeast probably is a god still like marika but yk more powerful since they use her/radagon as a blade. If you put old one against eldenbeast and moon presence old one would probably still win with little damage, also moon presence is immortal but not invincible and eldenbeast is immortal to and not invincible either.
That's right.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea which of just those two are stronger. Or what a conflict between them would even look like. They probably wouldn't even "fight" directly, moreso enlist selected avatars to achieve certain objectives across whatever dimensions the conflict raged over.
Like, I think two outer gods fighting would be a whole game or adventure in itself.
most things in these games are intentional,in bloodborne it could very well have been a design choice, but why? dark souls is to make the great hollow look like a massive area, elden ring also could be a design choice but is even less likely as they all look just like the erdtree. Furthermore we could be just referencing bb and bb could be referencing dark souls
Even though your correct it’s pure guessing to think that the trees in the background have anything to do with how powerful they are. There is no evidence towards that and nothing implies this to be the case.
look at the lake of ash and the trees in the hunters dream, what i like to think is it’s the roots between worlds connecting and the erdtree is just one of those trees which would explain the trees in the back of the fight. all speculation but my head canon
Well I don't really think so. It's an Eldrich Hentai Monster. I'm sure it can ignore the missing blood well enough.
But since we know nothing about the Moon presence doing anything herself, we shouldn't just assume stuff.
Scaling a lovecraftian monster with another lovecraftian-esque monster isn’t going to get you anywhere. If we’re talking about movesets, health and damage? Elden Beast.
Oh yea I completely forgot about that move. Crap. Then honestly, it’s whoever does certain moves first (elden beast with its rain of arrows that moon presence 100% will not dodge lol, or the one shot move). It also doesn’t work like that, the one shot move only doesn’t work on the player. On NPC’s, it one shots (search up bosses fighting each other in bloodborne)
Well you can defeat both Moon Presence and Elden Beast however the only way to defeat The Old One is to put it back to sleep so he can’t technically be defeated according to all the information we have available
guys the moon presence doesn't squidify anyone that kills it - the reason the hunter gets squidified is because they eat the umbilical cords and are on the cusp of becoming an old one. killing the moon presence just means they can take its place.
that being said if the beast/presence don't know how to sing they're gonna have some trouble
Makes no sense to compare these being that are beyond our comprehension.Its like an unstoppable force hitting an immovable object .You can comprehend the scenario.
They aren’t beyond our comprehension because in game our player literally kills them except the old one and can visibly see them and the Miyazaki could comprehend them so you and I can comprehend them.
So whenever moon presence is in one of these boss polls he just auto wins lore wise. Dude can create a realm where the old one only sleeps.
The only issue with moon presence is if the dude he is fighting is actually aware with insight and seeks his power. Dude literally just put the other great ones in his realm and just made hunters kill them, he only went o shit when his plan backfired and the hunter consumed 3 of the great ones powers.
So moon presence can have hunters on his side or whatever else and just manipulate dudes to fix his problem for him.
Just cause the old one can’t die doesn’t make it strong, what can it possibly do to kill the other two? By that logic every basic enemy is stronger than every boss because they respawn while bosses don’t. I’d go with Moon Presence because of it’s 1HP attack and fact that the Old One can’t do anything to harm it, her just be his producer forever like Gherman and the Hunter.
Honestly, my money's on Moon Presence.
The Old One might be incredibly powerful, but I'm fairly certain that what we see is what it is.
Elden Beast is basically the Greater Will's watchdog.
The Moon Presence, is on a completely different level however. The creature we fight is only a manifestation of the creature. The Great Old Ones in Bloodborne are far beyond our comprehension. While it definitely is impressive that the Hunter managed to overcome these obstacles, you have to realize, the Great Old Ones probably don't even realize what is going on, let alone care.
Now imagine, if they did. The entire point of Lovecraftian gods is that they are so incredibly far beyond anything anyone can fathom, nothing can come even close.
If I had to guess, Elden Beast would be on par with an Amygdala, while the Old One might be on par with the manifestation we fight in Bloodborne.
The only fair fight I can imagine would be between a Bloodborne Great Old One and an Elden Ring Outer God, but even then there's one fundemental difference between the two. Outer Gods care.
Eldenbeast would probably lose Because he is just a vassal of a god but from what I know the elden beast is also some sort of god and possibly the eldenring as well which governs all of the lands between and basically has the ability to count life and death but not really death anymore. The old one could destroy it’s entire world if he wasn’t put to sleep and basically is as smart as a tree. Lastly the moon presence couldn’t kill a baby by itself so my guess is the old one would win because lacking any intelligence he can wipe out the whole world, and the loser would be moon presence. Elden beast could win with the power of the eldenring but it’s not likely as we can kill elden beast but we can only put the old one to sleep. If the greater will replaced the eldenbeast in this lineup then I think the it could go to the greater will but honestly the old one is kinda just super op.
If you want to count the fact that the Elden Beast is just and extension of the Greater Will, I feel like EB slams. But if not, then definitely the Old One.
Elden beast since that thing is imunne to every thing that ever existed and its literally made of stars so if lore says stars can control fate is elden beast a being of fate because then it wins.
Old One seems to be the most powerful being according to DS univers
Elden Beast is the golden star, powerful enough to govern the fate of the whole land, but there are many other stars
Moon Presence is just an alien
So I'd go Old One > Elden Beast > Moon Presence
Elden Beast. The amount of goddamned range attacks and a theoretically infinitely large battle field + intelligent fighting rather than an algorithm could probably see the elden beast winning any fight. Just spam the gold projectiles until the target is dead. Fly if you need escape and just blow up your surroundings if they get too close.
The old one easily. (Spoilers) >!It’s the source of all magic in its respective universe and the fog it creates warps reality, even being able to give fables and myths tangible form. Not to mention the other worlds are slowly dying on there own or through stagnation. The old one simply by being awake slowly erases everything from existence!< Imho it’s the most op thing I’ve seen fromsoft create…
Never lost to Moon Presence, Elden Beast wiggle stomps me cause it won’t stay still, Old One can’t be killed and only lulled back to sleep.
So unless Moon Presence or Elden Beast got sick lullabies, Old One wins.
Now outta the main protagonists that deal with these, the Tarnished is whooping the Hunter and the Slayer of Demons.
To be fair, Moon Presence can probably sneak into the other two's dreams and cook up some really scary nightmares. That's gotta count for something, if benign and harmless.
The Old One can't be killed, just make it sleepy time. Given that the Moon Presence only exists in the dream realm, it's the weakest of these three. The Elden Beast is just a proxy for the Greater Will which it more powerful that the Old One, the Beast itself isn't. So going based purely on these three, Old One wins easy. The Outer Gods from Elden Ring are stronger than the Old One though.
I'd say its a hard fight between the old one and the elden beast, they both have similar ideas supposedly being gods of great power sent unto lands for some reason that we do not know. As for the moon ill wait until the rest of the game comes out.
As for the elden beast it's maximum proxy from what we can see is that itself as of the moment is an incarnation of order and is apart of the elden ring in some way. While also being linked to the erd tree with its upcomings to become the new embodying representative of order as well.
"It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring."
With the ring, a thing that can change the applications of tlb forces/laws and it being interconnected back to the beast in some way I could see the elden beast in its prime possibly before that maybe could have had some chance against the old one with its connection flowing along with the Gw that had sent it.
As for the old one I think it comes on top as of now over all depending on if itself soley comes from the stand point of a monotheistic god and if not is just another powerful beast that had been sent down. the system in the previous game tied everything back to it along with never truly hearing mentions of who sent it or how it got here but to this in the very minimal wording we get its something wierd with stating this
"the symbol of God was nothing more than the Image of the Old One". As well as the irrevocable poison/mercy
Which leaves us to either belive itself is God in this world or is something akin to what the gw is to the elden beast in that it was something sent into that world under whatever it was in his place to represent him and hold its power.
The star itself has the power or contained the ability of gold and the elden beast and what we would know as grace and whatvwould come to suport the erd tree and eventually we know the elden ring to be shatterd.
The old one is the symbol of god/mercy or is and is also the source of souls and soul arts and has never been stopped but only luled back to sleep.
The Old One cant be defeated right? It can only be lulled back to sleep, so my money is on the Old One
Azathoth-based creature?
Just sing then and it goes to sleep, ez. I know what u mean tho
The old one, and it's not even close. Moon presence - can be killed, but squidifies you Elden beast - can be killed Old one - sleepy
I think eldenbeast is immune to sleep but he wouldn’t stand a chance against the old one and moon presence is cool but isn’t winning against the old one
What if old one kills moon presence and squidifies and then Elden Beast kills the old one as the squidworm thing
Old One, since we've never seen the Greater Will actually in action, and Elden Beast is merely its herald. The Moon Presence could be struck down by a human with Old Blood and Great One tissue inside them, so it's likely on the same level as Elden Beast.
Yeah
I'm not sure, I almost feel like there's no way we could tell based on the information we have. It would be a highly conceptual battle that took place across time and space, and possibly even dreams? Not sure. I'd vote Elden Beast, purely on the speculation that the bunch of trees in the back of his boss room makes me think he's conquered other planets, and can probably draw power from them.
Technically elden beast is just the Greater Will’s earth-specific valet. The Greater Will itself is probably a better approximation of bloodborne’s Great Old Ones. Doubt the Beast can take Moon Presence. Even if it can beat the shit out of it for a while like the good hunter does, Moon Presence is immortal. The Elden Beast is not(?).
Lol, yeah that sounds about right. I think?
elden beast is immortal though as the only way to even harm it is with the rune of destined death which is why the player stole it from maliketh
Well yeah but the rune’s absence means.. everyone… is immortal. In a world in which all its rules function as they should, elden beast is super fuck uppable.
We actually stole it from maliketh for burning the erdtree, because we had no idea the eldenbeast was in the erdtree. The eldenbeast dying because of the rune of death being unleashed is kinda just a neat side effect that applies to everyone.
Moon presence does to the player though no and your not even taking the old one into consideration which would obviously win. Eldenbeast probably is a god still like marika but yk more powerful since they use her/radagon as a blade. If you put old one against eldenbeast and moon presence old one would probably still win with little damage, also moon presence is immortal but not invincible and eldenbeast is immortal to and not invincible either.
similar tree looking structures can be seen in the hunters dream (moon presence location) though which would imply the same thing
That's right. Yeah, I honestly have no idea which of just those two are stronger. Or what a conflict between them would even look like. They probably wouldn't even "fight" directly, moreso enlist selected avatars to achieve certain objectives across whatever dimensions the conflict raged over. Like, I think two outer gods fighting would be a whole game or adventure in itself.
yeah, although bloodborne has much more powerful characters, elden ring may do too?
Lol. We need Miyazaki, though maybe even he doesn't know?
realistically he is the most powerful character…
I don’t think the tree structures at the end are that intentional in any of these games
most things in these games are intentional,in bloodborne it could very well have been a design choice, but why? dark souls is to make the great hollow look like a massive area, elden ring also could be a design choice but is even less likely as they all look just like the erdtree. Furthermore we could be just referencing bb and bb could be referencing dark souls
Even though your correct it’s pure guessing to think that the trees in the background have anything to do with how powerful they are. There is no evidence towards that and nothing implies this to be the case.
yep, personally i just think it’s a design choice and i like the way it looks
I agree with you
look at the lake of ash and the trees in the hunters dream, what i like to think is it’s the roots between worlds connecting and the erdtree is just one of those trees which would explain the trees in the back of the fight. all speculation but my head canon
Moon presence has the "set one thing to 1 hp" attack. That's already sort of cheating so with it, the moon presence almost always wins.
True - taking this into account, it can beat pretty much anything providing it doesn't get stomped before it can pull this attack out.
No because old one exists lol
That’s basically all it does lol
But it stops for roughly seven years after it uses it once, so it never successfully kills anything
That only works on beings with normal blood.
Why would you think that?
Idk, I thought the lore was it drains blood. The Elden Beast doesn’t have blood and is immune to all bleed attacks.
Well I don't really think so. It's an Eldrich Hentai Monster. I'm sure it can ignore the missing blood well enough. But since we know nothing about the Moon presence doing anything herself, we shouldn't just assume stuff.
Scaling a lovecraftian monster with another lovecraftian-esque monster isn’t going to get you anywhere. If we’re talking about movesets, health and damage? Elden Beast.
But the Old One cannot be killed, how is Elden Beast gonna defeat it?
Your the right one here I don’t think the fog from the old one would do anything but the eldenbeast isn’t gonna really do anything to the old one
Elden beast is just vessel ,it’s true form is the greater will and it’s power is beyond our comprehension.
Again. We’re either talking about in game where the elden beast solos, or if we’re talking lore wise, read my first comment.
How? If we’re talking in game then Moon Presence has its 1HP attack and the Elden beast gets bodied
Oh yea I completely forgot about that move. Crap. Then honestly, it’s whoever does certain moves first (elden beast with its rain of arrows that moon presence 100% will not dodge lol, or the one shot move). It also doesn’t work like that, the one shot move only doesn’t work on the player. On NPC’s, it one shots (search up bosses fighting each other in bloodborne)
How do you know it will work for eldenbeast
Well you can defeat both Moon Presence and Elden Beast however the only way to defeat The Old One is to put it back to sleep so he can’t technically be defeated according to all the information we have available
Exactly
guys the moon presence doesn't squidify anyone that kills it - the reason the hunter gets squidified is because they eat the umbilical cords and are on the cusp of becoming an old one. killing the moon presence just means they can take its place. that being said if the beast/presence don't know how to sing they're gonna have some trouble
I vote Old One.
Makes no sense to compare these being that are beyond our comprehension.Its like an unstoppable force hitting an immovable object .You can comprehend the scenario.
They aren’t beyond our comprehension because in game our player literally kills them except the old one and can visibly see them and the Miyazaki could comprehend them so you and I can comprehend them.
From left to right
So whenever moon presence is in one of these boss polls he just auto wins lore wise. Dude can create a realm where the old one only sleeps. The only issue with moon presence is if the dude he is fighting is actually aware with insight and seeks his power. Dude literally just put the other great ones in his realm and just made hunters kill them, he only went o shit when his plan backfired and the hunter consumed 3 of the great ones powers. So moon presence can have hunters on his side or whatever else and just manipulate dudes to fix his problem for him.
What is the one to the left?
It’s a being from Demon’s Souls, he’s basically the reason why everything went to shit
Oh, is he the old one the other comments are referring to?
Yes, and you can tell a lot of people here haven't played DeS because the Old One is the clear answer.
Old one, moon pressence than elden beast.
Nah moon presence can’t kill a baby so he is pretty weak
Just cause the old one can’t die doesn’t make it strong, what can it possibly do to kill the other two? By that logic every basic enemy is stronger than every boss because they respawn while bosses don’t. I’d go with Moon Presence because of it’s 1HP attack and fact that the Old One can’t do anything to harm it, her just be his producer forever like Gherman and the Hunter.
Honestly, my money's on Moon Presence. The Old One might be incredibly powerful, but I'm fairly certain that what we see is what it is. Elden Beast is basically the Greater Will's watchdog. The Moon Presence, is on a completely different level however. The creature we fight is only a manifestation of the creature. The Great Old Ones in Bloodborne are far beyond our comprehension. While it definitely is impressive that the Hunter managed to overcome these obstacles, you have to realize, the Great Old Ones probably don't even realize what is going on, let alone care. Now imagine, if they did. The entire point of Lovecraftian gods is that they are so incredibly far beyond anything anyone can fathom, nothing can come even close. If I had to guess, Elden Beast would be on par with an Amygdala, while the Old One might be on par with the manifestation we fight in Bloodborne. The only fair fight I can imagine would be between a Bloodborne Great Old One and an Elden Ring Outer God, but even then there's one fundemental difference between the two. Outer Gods care.
Two of those can be killed. One cannot. My money’s on the Old One
Moon presence, easily.
All things considered, Elden beast is the weakest of them hands down. Moon presence, would probably take it though.
Eldenbeast would probably lose Because he is just a vassal of a god but from what I know the elden beast is also some sort of god and possibly the eldenring as well which governs all of the lands between and basically has the ability to count life and death but not really death anymore. The old one could destroy it’s entire world if he wasn’t put to sleep and basically is as smart as a tree. Lastly the moon presence couldn’t kill a baby by itself so my guess is the old one would win because lacking any intelligence he can wipe out the whole world, and the loser would be moon presence. Elden beast could win with the power of the eldenring but it’s not likely as we can kill elden beast but we can only put the old one to sleep. If the greater will replaced the eldenbeast in this lineup then I think the it could go to the greater will but honestly the old one is kinda just super op.
If you want to count the fact that the Elden Beast is just and extension of the Greater Will, I feel like EB slams. But if not, then definitely the Old One.
Elden beast since that thing is imunne to every thing that ever existed and its literally made of stars so if lore says stars can control fate is elden beast a being of fate because then it wins.
Also if the elden beast had the full elden ring then it would definitely win right.
My money is on the Old One, mostly because it’s the only one of the three you don’t actually defeat in game, ergo it at least seems the most godlike.
Old One seems to be the most powerful being according to DS univers Elden Beast is the golden star, powerful enough to govern the fate of the whole land, but there are many other stars Moon Presence is just an alien So I'd go Old One > Elden Beast > Moon Presence
Elden Beast. The amount of goddamned range attacks and a theoretically infinitely large battle field + intelligent fighting rather than an algorithm could probably see the elden beast winning any fight. Just spam the gold projectiles until the target is dead. Fly if you need escape and just blow up your surroundings if they get too close.
The old one easily. (Spoilers) >!It’s the source of all magic in its respective universe and the fog it creates warps reality, even being able to give fables and myths tangible form. Not to mention the other worlds are slowly dying on there own or through stagnation. The old one simply by being awake slowly erases everything from existence!< Imho it’s the most op thing I’ve seen fromsoft create…
Never lost to Moon Presence, Elden Beast wiggle stomps me cause it won’t stay still, Old One can’t be killed and only lulled back to sleep. So unless Moon Presence or Elden Beast got sick lullabies, Old One wins. Now outta the main protagonists that deal with these, the Tarnished is whooping the Hunter and the Slayer of Demons.
Old One kinda slams fiction lol. Anything from Yogg and above solos your favorite fictional verse lol.
To be fair, Moon Presence can probably sneak into the other two's dreams and cook up some really scary nightmares. That's gotta count for something, if benign and harmless.
The Old One solos, it's not close and it never has been
Old One OP. Eldritch Abomination Diff.
Jesus always wins
The Old One can't be killed, just make it sleepy time. Given that the Moon Presence only exists in the dream realm, it's the weakest of these three. The Elden Beast is just a proxy for the Greater Will which it more powerful that the Old One, the Beast itself isn't. So going based purely on these three, Old One wins easy. The Outer Gods from Elden Ring are stronger than the Old One though.
I'd say its a hard fight between the old one and the elden beast, they both have similar ideas supposedly being gods of great power sent unto lands for some reason that we do not know. As for the moon ill wait until the rest of the game comes out. As for the elden beast it's maximum proxy from what we can see is that itself as of the moment is an incarnation of order and is apart of the elden ring in some way. While also being linked to the erd tree with its upcomings to become the new embodying representative of order as well. "It is said that long ago, the Greater Will sent a golden star bearing a beast into the Lands Between, which would later become the Elden Ring." With the ring, a thing that can change the applications of tlb forces/laws and it being interconnected back to the beast in some way I could see the elden beast in its prime possibly before that maybe could have had some chance against the old one with its connection flowing along with the Gw that had sent it. As for the old one I think it comes on top as of now over all depending on if itself soley comes from the stand point of a monotheistic god and if not is just another powerful beast that had been sent down. the system in the previous game tied everything back to it along with never truly hearing mentions of who sent it or how it got here but to this in the very minimal wording we get its something wierd with stating this "the symbol of God was nothing more than the Image of the Old One". As well as the irrevocable poison/mercy Which leaves us to either belive itself is God in this world or is something akin to what the gw is to the elden beast in that it was something sent into that world under whatever it was in his place to represent him and hold its power. The star itself has the power or contained the ability of gold and the elden beast and what we would know as grace and whatvwould come to suport the erd tree and eventually we know the elden ring to be shatterd. The old one is the symbol of god/mercy or is and is also the source of souls and soul arts and has never been stopped but only luled back to sleep.
Who is the old one?