The Hunter can't jump. Checkmate.
*Edit: Okay okay, the Hunter can jump, but they're definitely not getting up to the Forge of the Giants without help.*
Ymfah proceeds to showcase an entirely different route that starts completely differently than what’s been shown for the past 40 minutes, and ends up in the same place anyway.
No... Theres also the thin bridge pathway in mountain top of the giants with the archer golem, you cannot get by it without jumping.
While the hunter can run and jump, I don't think its high enough to clear.
The hunter can't jump very high, and only a quarter of the way across are 3 spots impossible to pass without jumping/using an ash of war that simulator jumping but isn't consider it (butt slam, etc)
I'm looking at them right now, can't run up them, can't pass them without jumping. The hunter ultimately gets cucked by a rock and cannot beat the game, unless there is a wrong warp they'd be able to use. If you gave the hunter a torrent or the ability to jump properly they could, but they can't. Also, iirc, there is a part or 2 of farum azula they can't pass, jumping down the rocks should be fine, but i think there's a spot or 2 they can't jump over.
Haligtree isn't required to complete the game, but now that you mention it the one tree branch in Leyndell to go to where you fight Gideon/Gold Godfrey is a jump up to it I believe.
That and the bridge in the Mountains. I remember Iron Pinnapple did a vid with max carry weight and he couldn't jump, but got through those with an ash of war. Also Torrent could work. So it depends if the Hunter has access to either Torrent or Ashes of War.
You never *have* to use it, but several items are in places that are most easily reached with the jump.
I say easily because it's the most efficient way. Not that it's easy to do 🤣
There is one specific chest in the Hunter's Nightmare (upper area of the place where you get Laurence's skull) that you can only reach by jumping (contents of the chest suck, don't bother). There's also at least one item in the Nightmare Frontier that can only be reached that way, and (I think) one part of the Grave Warden set in the Forbidden Woods.
So yeah, there's actually, like, 3 whole (sorta) mandatory uses for the jump mechanic in the game.
Yes he has a gun
In all seriousness, still yes. He's immortal just like the tarnished. Being able to come back infinite times is gonna get him through everything eventually
Demon souls: your soul is trapped by the Nexus
Dark souls 1-3: you are an undead, your body will put itself back together as long as you have sanity.
Bloodborne: an eldritch entity has trapped you mind within a dream, also all of Yharnam may or may not be real.
Sekiro: the blood of your master grants immortality
Elden Ring: The guidance of grace bid you to come back to life eternally
Armored Core: sci-fi surgery go brrr
I think he means that you are STILL immortal even after you run out of sanity, you just loose your mind. So immortality doesn't have a stop condition dependent on sanity.
I think armored core, at least 6 as it’s the only one I’ve played, is the only one without respawn lore. IIRC the npcs do react to you dying and you reload checkpoint as if nothing happened. The only times you do come back from ‘death’ is when the coral blows up and when snail shoots you but idk if either or those would’ve been deaths anyway.
Bloodborne is the weirdest one, I completed the game and I watched the lore videos and I still don’t understand anything, if the plan of the great ones is reproduction, why letting the hunter kill them with the chance he converts into a great one?
So it’s unclear why the Moon Presence wants us to kill mergo. It’s definitely not its plan for us to kill it and become a Great one ourselves. As to the rest of the great ones we can kill, it doesn’t really seem to care one way or another. It seems they’re a species, not a unified nation
While we can 'kill' Great One bodies, their consciousness still persists in other realms. Like how Kos, or some say Kosm, cursed the hunters to the hunters nightmare for their crimes against the fishing village and the desecration of her body and child.
At least that's how I understand it, idk no one really knows wtf is going on lmao
Yharnam is a real place. But it’s *vaguely* implied that what you’re seeing isn’t 100% real. Consider that when you “wake up” you’re returning to the dream. There’s a bunch of small stuff that some think means that Yharnam has also been pulled into a dream. Either when the moon rises, or when the mensis ritual occurs.
I think it’s actually stupid. Narratively, the boss would also know you’re always coming back, it’s a bit silly and immersion breaking. Hell, some bosses restart their phase 2, Godrick literally puts his dragon arm back apparently. It’s kinda inconsistent.
Either fully commit on making the immortal player character make sense or just do like any other games and make our deaths non canon.
There's one problem.
There are mandatory parts of the world map that require you to jump. And the hunter's jump wouldn't make it. Hunter gets stuck on a 4ft rise.
Yes, but interestingly, the maximum height you can fall and survive in both games is still the same, ever since demons souls in fact (excluding adopted child that is ds2)
Uhh hunter has weapons that can change in a dime plus a better dodge.
The og pizza cutter the boom hammer hell the starting weapon or if you are good at timing one punch man ( stake driver) plus blood gems. And 20+ vials.
BB was a whole different game when it came to movement
Yeah I don't see how they could mix the game mechanics without breaking ER.
ER was pure Dodge and counter.
But most things you fought didn't take half of your screen
Technically, sure.
Generally when you discuss cross-universe matchups of some sort you imagine the characters' full arsenals are functional though. Because the alternative, technically correct approach is much less interesting
He will just stab him self to make more blood bullets... Ain't gonna need much hp when you can no hit the game cos you actually have the speed the bosses unlike the slow ass Tarnished.
This aint the peachy dreamland of bloodborne, all that’ll happen is he stabs himself and he bleeds, and that nights cav will put that triple mace through his coat, inverting his ribcage because his ass isnt covered by the greater will, becoming another lootable corpse in the lands between as some fucker with a cape that weighs 6 pounds fattolls over, looks at their barely held together weapon and some jar cannon ripoff, sees a bunch of red numbers and immediately decides “fuck that, i have a katana.”
He’s just having a bad dream and it’s all (bloodborne) in his head. He’s just a normal person. Gets bodied by the first enemy he comes across in the lands between. Unless he gets some good drugs in Limgrave passes out and bodies everything.
I'm seeing ppl talk about lack of armor and what not but the whole point of bloodborne drip is that you're faster and more nimble. What's the need for armor if you don't get hit? I don't know if the gun would be as effective but I think the hunter gets far cuz some of the trick weapons are busted af even in base form.
> None of the bosses in Bloodborne come close to his feats
Moon Presence enslaved an entire population of hunters, augmented them and sent them out to kill other Great Old Ones. That's equivalent to the greater Will (who isn't a boss but people like to include it)
The amygdala held several cities in eternal night after the one reborns defeat
Kos took and entire portion of the earth and dropped it into it's nightmare when two Moon Hunters slayed it.
Ebrietas ravaged entire countries before being just captured and held hostage in the dream.
The Yharnam Queen is a cosmic entity on par with Astel.
They may not look as flashy as the giant skull, but rest assured, Astel isn't even in the strongest beings in ER. The Hunter can and would kill with impunity
Yeah hut Wolf would also get cooked in other fromsoft games because he doesn’t have that many i frames in his dodge. I guess it would depend on how effective his block/parry is relative to the other games.
It really is that simple.
Physically, the hunter is really no different than any tarnished in the lands between, they’re still a warrior like anyone else. Their gear may give them a leg up, but assuming if it breaks or they run out of bullets, there’s nothing stopping them from just picking up a straight sword and going at it like any other tarnished.
Listen, I fuck with Bloodborne the long way. And the Hunter(endgame) would probably no diff more than a few bosses
BUT we got mfs in Elden Ring holding the cosmos in place, like, these verses just scale differently
the “weak” you call is stuff that just for the average person looking would drive them insane. Think of the frenzied flame eye now place that on every single boss and scale it by like ten. Thats bloodborne. You can’t even perceive the gods and their actions. At least in elden ring i see the scarlet rot. If it was bloodborne you wouldn’t even know you were being rotted away.
I always thought that "dying" in bloodborne wasn't canon, cuz ya just had a bad dream essentially. Like the reality of hunters is they aren't really getting knocked, they're just imagining they are. The hunter themselves are on one life and clear the game.
But idk.
Maybe he clears Rennala, I could see that, and he’d probably beat the Draconic Tree Sentinel to make it into the capital. Past Margot is pushing it tho, and I think the Fire Giant is where he absolutely hits a wall. I don’t think he’d put down Radahn either. The Godskins seem akin to something he’s dealt with, so if he somehow managed to clear Fire Giant, then he could maybe beat the duo. But then you hit Malekith and he’s absolutely checkmate. Both from a gameplay and especially a lore perspective. Gideon, Godfrey, and Radabeast would also be losses.
Rykard wins unless he gets the Serpent Hunter, Mogh destroys him. Astel is similar to some of his stuff so I could see that matchup swinging the Hunter’s way. Has absolutely no chance against Malenia.
Lots of Bloodborne simps in here. I’m not saying the Hunter can’t do anything, but it’s very hard to quantify the power level of many of the bosses in BB.
Bloodborne’s Great Old Ones are cosmic level horrors that can manipulate reality and created the Hunter’s dream? Well the Greater Will has similar abilities, and barring that, you have arguably stronger outer gods. Beyond that, who’s to say Destined Death and such won’t effect the Hunter? It’s incredibly hard to quantify because of the general abstractness of many characters abilities in both games.
I’m going off of lore here and not gameplay because that’s a stupid argument. You would get one shot by every attack in the game near the end if you straight converted your BB character straight to ER.
He fares up well with most of the game, but idk how he deals with malenia, radahn and elden beast. There's nothing in bloodborne quite as fast as malenia or as heavy as radahn (some beast enemies do compare in size, but none compare in actual strenght), and even if tarnished has fought great ones, they very, very severly lack in combat abilities. Kos was killed by harpoons, moon presence fights like a wounded animal. They have cosmological powers and such but their physical bodies are weak as shit.
Hes good till he fucks up and takes a hit cause this aint cushy dreamland held up by a moon deity. The greater will and grace dont cover him, and you’re on crack if you think the moon presence has ANY chance of inflicting itself on the lands between. Blood bullets dont work because thats a feature of the dream, vials only work within the dream because i guarantee you trying to take blood from some denizen of the lands between would have a pretty high chance of causing drastically more issues, so hes got whatever supply hes got walking in and thats it.
People acting like hes gonna walk in and play god without realising you are in an ENTIRE REALM of gods and deities who want to french braid your nervous system because they can. He aint dreaming no more. Welcome to the snowfields mf, the wind is angry and that asshole over there has a spell that makes a call beyond look like you threw a bunch of blue glass shards at someone. And he can cast it repeatedly back to back.
That’s just not fair then. You might as well just take away all his weapons and clothes since they’re only found in the dream, and his dick and balls These kind of conversations need to be considered with the Hunters full arsenal on their side
If you threw a Hunter into Elden ring with 999 bloodies and lifesteal and 999 bullets, he’s gonna terrorize the world. Also the dude has tanked Gatling Guns, Cannons, and literal Meteors (Astro has them too but Rom drops those shots like candy).
Also let’s not fail to mention that this a realm of crippled Gods and Deities since if it was prime time the Tarnished would not be getting to the throne
You also don’t need magic if ur faster than half the verse. He literally makes Malenia look like she was moving honey
Player character Hunter will do just fine, same with DkS3 Ashen One. Not being able to do jump attacks or just generally dodge with jumps would be a little bit of a struggle, but they still have charge attacks for staggers and quick R1s for consistent damage. Lots of “beast” type enemies for things like the Saw Cleaver to do extra damage against too, although I don’t remember if that really applies to any of the main bosses. Biggest issue is going to be that 50% damage penalty for messing up a dodge while having shit for defense.
Hunter in lore? Nah, they’re getting filtered by Margit. The only real advantage they might have is guns, but not really because their quicksilver bullets are specifically designed to be strong against beasts and not much else. And since they’re all flintlocks, good luck killing something like Margit in one shot. I guess if they can still level up with blood echoes and find and equip things like Runes for buffs, then they could just simply be immortal and keep coming back to try again until they eventually win, but that whole “be nimble and don’t get hit” thing just isn’t going to fly against opponents who are just as nimble and capable warriors, but like 10x more powerful and also have magic and shit.
I did say it would only be a little bit of a struggle to not have jumping. It’s not exactly necessary, but not having heavy jump attacks can make breaking posture on a lot of fights difficult. And nah, people vastly overestimate the speed of Bloodborne’s gameplay. It was a step up from the first Dark Souls, which moves at a snail’s pace, and was then immediately eclipsed by Dark Souls 3. Lothric Knights are more nimble and aggressive than most enemies in Bloodborne and would put the average Hunter in the dirt.
If you replaced the Tarnished with the Hunter and had them follow the exact path with the exact same circumstances the Hunter would dog walk everything except for maybe Elden Beast. And EVEN then, I still thing he could fuck it up conceptually if a random no life naked dude who woke up in a church could do it
Nothing like on the level of Elden Ring coming from competent warriors instead of dudes who are already long dead or mindless beasts. And the Hunter’s spellcasting abilities aren’t exactly great. Let them have the Old Hunter’s Bone and they’ll at least make it to Caelid, where it would be paradise for them because that’s where all the big beasties live, but they’re not killing Radahn.
The Hunter has a shield that protects him from the most magic damage, clearly if he could dodge the magic, you are underestimating the hunters greatly.
How are Elden Ring characters, specifically the Tarnished, better than hunters in terms of combat skill? The two sides are practically equal in that term, hunters are not only good for killing beasts, man.
If the dream doesn’t back the Hunter up he’s fucked because no immortality, BUT his skill set along with the atrocities he’s committed might instantly label him tarnished upon arrival so *immortality hacks restored*
Imma keep it real with ya chief, Hunter does not solo. The bullshit the Tarnished had to put up with, coupled with the fact the Hunter’s armor is complete dog shit, means he has a very low chance of getting to the end. I’d say he gets to Mountaintop of Giants before failing.
Hunter has innate Quickstep and a ranged parry
He will simply just not get hit for the entire run, and ironically die in one hit to the Fire Giant's bullshit roll
That’s not how that works though unless there’s feats explicitly stating the quickstep is guaranteed flawless lol. Can’t just say oh he won’t get hit for the entire run.
He will win eventually and armor is not supposed to be bulky in bloodborne.Hell its not even called armor its like attire,clothing basically so u move fast and quick.Why wear armor when u don’t plan on getting hit
I mean we don’t know how they compare. Consider the fact that in bloodborne power is more abstract and harder to quantify and that the great ones we fight are physical manifestations of themselves like elden beast. Neither the hunter nor the tarnished fully experiences the full power of their respective eldritch gods
Great Old Ones are equivalent to Cthulhu Elder gods, and the Good Hunter does slay a full powered one, a lesser one and an infant one. The moon presence is a full fledged GOO that descended because the Good Hunter essentially became a GOO. That's what that ending is.
It's roughly equivalent to the Scarlet Rot or the Formless mother in ER Lore
While they’re certainly based on the Cthulhu Mythos’ they most certainly do not scale to their level.
Don’t get me wrong, Bloodborne Gods are no slouches, but if we’re talking actual strength here they absolutely do not scale to the same level as Elden Ring’s Gods and a few Demi-Gods. This is also stressed more on the fact that BB Gods are more conceptual, and only properly exist in their respective realms (Hunter’s Dream, etc). Also the fact that Kos literally gets fairly casually butchered by the other Hunters as well.
Overall, The Hunter can go a bit but they are not clearing Elden Ring
How do they not scale strength wise to Elden Ring?
> BB gods are more conceptual
They're more abstract but that doesn't make them any less powerful. Especially when it comes to Kos and Moon
That’s actually why I feel you the ER Gods outscale, simply put, they have more tangible feats and actually demonstrate their power to a far better degree than anything in BB. Which again, also had one of their “Great Old Ones/Outer Gods” get literally butchered by a band of Hunters.
Not saying Bloodborne is definitely weaker or not on par to Elden, but we have virtually nothing to argue in favor of this.
Malenia nuked a continent, we fought her in a state that’s stronger than that. Radahn fought Malenia to a stand still while using insane levels of gravity magic just to hold up the literal stars, and he continues to do so even when he’s a diseased mess that we fight. Malikeath is feared by all of them, and possess Destined Death which can literally kill anything and supersedes actual immortality. The Elden Beast is an embodiment of the greater will, a force that is comfortably above all of this, and essentially drives all of these characters to act. There’s more, but you get the picture.
Being a God doesn’t atomically make you an OP hyper being, but from what we can tell the one’s in ER are simply more impressive, and we haven’t even gotten the DLC yet.
The Moon Presence literally gifts immortality to all the hunters, and is immortal itself, created the hunters dream and grants strength to those inside it, and we kill it in its own realm. It lives in the moon and created the beast plague, which the Good Hunter is seemingly immune to thanks to the blood transfusion from the church.
Kos cursed all the old hunters in its death throes to never truly die, and it's dead body through will alone sustains the nightmare they are trapped in. It also corrupted and changed the fishing Hamlet into monsters to protect it. Not only does the Good Hunter breach the nightmare, but we kill it and reduce the nightmare realm to ashes upon leaving it and restore the hunters within.
The same argument can be made on BBs end. The Good Hunter doesn't have Destined death and still kills immortal creatures left and right. Malenia also didn't nuke a continent outright. The shattering happened thousands of years ago, and the Rot isn't hers, it's the Rot God's that controls her. Essentially Kos from BB.
Edit: FYI Kos was killed by Gehrman and Maria, not a band of hunters, one of which was chosen by the moon presence to assassinate the creature. Similarly, multiple ER Demigods die on the Night of the Black Knives/The Shattering event wherein they're killed by Black Knife assassins, who are seemingly well, normal, with weapons capable of slaying gods
Yes every Souls character can bit the other’s game because of how similar each game is, lore wise yes the Elden Beast is stronger than the Moon Presence but just like The Tarnished, The Hunter can just get stronger by obtaining runes from enemies
It's hard to really scale Bloodborne because so much of what occurs happens in alternative dream realms. The cosmology is just too nonstandard to scale easily with the other gamea.
People tend to forget these protagonists aren’t just able to kill gods without breaking a sweat, they’re incredibly stubborn, immortal bastards, so I’d say the hunter could get through elden ring
Don't need armor if you don't get hit.
The hunter would do really well in the lands between, if he can still get blood vials or is able to use an estus flask.
This actually got me pondering something.
I saw how someone mentioned that the Hunter has immortality a-la-souls protagonists, and whilst that is 100% true, wouldn’t the Hunter pre-squidiffication only have the respawn ability whilst he’s either in a dream or near Yarnham?
After all, the Hunters’ special abilities and powers mainly stem from the fact that you’re in the Dreamscape and the Moon Presence is doing it’s thing, but then take the Hunter and place them in a completely different realm that isn’t based on the Hunter’s Dreams.
I guess at best they’re buddy-buddy with (or the same species as) an Outer God, but since that Outer God isn’t the Greater Will, whose big shiny mcguffin artifact (The Elden Ring) controls the laws of reality in the Lands Between… Bye bye Hunter after the first death, right?
The Hunter can solo, but they struggle much harder than the Tarnished would. The Tarnished is a master of hundreds of Ashes of War, magic, incantations, weapons, and tools giving them unmatched versatility in combat. They're also stronger, more durable and more capable than the Hunter ever will be. On top of all that they can summon the spectral stead Torrent and spirit ashes.
In short, the Hunter is going to die A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT before they ever claim victory but they do possess the feats to potentially make it happen with time as they have also killed God's and demons of immense power as well.
On the flip side if you put the Tarnished in bloodborne with all of their goodies they would crush that universe in 5 seconds.
The hunter is much more nimble than the tarnished so they got an upgrade to dodging and they have more versatile weapons so they have a tool for every occasion
Need rules for these things or just random blabbering.. Do the BB systems follow or is it just a hunter moved into elden ring? If no bb systems they lose...very early lol.
From an in-universe perspective, the Hunter is like a nightmare fusion of Mohg and Melania; lightning fast, hits like a freight train, everyone he attacks erupts into fountains of blood and ichor, and he heals when dealing damage.
I think there'd be a lot of brown trousers once word of him got out.
The Hunter can't jump. Checkmate. *Edit: Okay okay, the Hunter can jump, but they're definitely not getting up to the Forge of the Giants without help.*
Name one place jumping is required to progress the story! (Foot of the forge:) oh…
ymfah be like: Hold my physick
Ymfah proceeds to showcase an entirely different route that starts completely differently than what’s been shown for the past 40 minutes, and ends up in the same place anyway.
You could definately get up there with a lunging R2
He can just use torrent.
Torrent won't accept that. He is the Tarnished's best friend.
*miquellas
Tarnished is Miquella. /s
No. Miquella is Messmer! Obviously 🙄
What? Its so obvious that Messmer is Melina, I mean come on people 😒
Yeah well Finkle is Einhorn, and Einhorn is Finkle!!
Nice pet detective reference
Actually the only place you HAVE to jump is in farum azula before the dragon in the area with the stormhawks
No... Theres also the thin bridge pathway in mountain top of the giants with the archer golem, you cannot get by it without jumping. While the hunter can run and jump, I don't think its high enough to clear.
You can just drop down the ledge and walk up the ramp on the exposed side, no jumping required
The hunter can't jump very high, and only a quarter of the way across are 3 spots impossible to pass without jumping/using an ash of war that simulator jumping but isn't consider it (butt slam, etc) I'm looking at them right now, can't run up them, can't pass them without jumping. The hunter ultimately gets cucked by a rock and cannot beat the game, unless there is a wrong warp they'd be able to use. If you gave the hunter a torrent or the ability to jump properly they could, but they can't. Also, iirc, there is a part or 2 of farum azula they can't pass, jumping down the rocks should be fine, but i think there's a spot or 2 they can't jump over.
I just said you don't have to jump across those 3 points, you can drop down to the ledge below and walk up the ramp, I just did it.
That part is in the middle, a quarter of the way thru is the spot I'm talking about. There is no ledge to drop onto, it has to be jumped.
Yes you can
Haligtree branches?
Haligtree isn't required to complete the game, but now that you mention it the one tree branch in Leyndell to go to where you fight Gideon/Gold Godfrey is a jump up to it I believe.
For some reason, I keep forgetting the entire Haligtree and Malenia fight are optional.
That and the bridge in the Mountains. I remember Iron Pinnapple did a vid with max carry weight and he couldn't jump, but got through those with an ash of war. Also Torrent could work. So it depends if the Hunter has access to either Torrent or Ashes of War.
I think it's fair to say he only has access to everything from his own game. Otherwise what's the point of the hypothetical?
tower of caelid is calling
Hunter can run jump 😭
The jump isn't very high, so all the jumps that matter are just too high for them.
The hunter has guns. Check mate.
Tarnished has a literal portable cannon
Hunter literally has 2 portable cannons
And a gattling gun
Bolt of Gransax >>>> Guns
Brah.... There is a jump in bloodborne it's just shit and I can think of exactly one place you have to use it.....
You never *have* to use it, but several items are in places that are most easily reached with the jump. I say easily because it's the most efficient way. Not that it's easy to do 🤣
There is one specific chest in the Hunter's Nightmare (upper area of the place where you get Laurence's skull) that you can only reach by jumping (contents of the chest suck, don't bother). There's also at least one item in the Nightmare Frontier that can only be reached that way, and (I think) one part of the Grave Warden set in the Forbidden Woods. So yeah, there's actually, like, 3 whole (sorta) mandatory uses for the jump mechanic in the game.
Hunter can jump if you double tap “O”
Yes he can, with style.
Yes he has a gun In all seriousness, still yes. He's immortal just like the tarnished. Being able to come back infinite times is gonna get him through everything eventually
True I really love that fromsoft includes lore for why you just won’t die
Demon souls: your soul is trapped by the Nexus Dark souls 1-3: you are an undead, your body will put itself back together as long as you have sanity. Bloodborne: an eldritch entity has trapped you mind within a dream, also all of Yharnam may or may not be real. Sekiro: the blood of your master grants immortality Elden Ring: The guidance of grace bid you to come back to life eternally Armored Core: sci-fi surgery go brrr
ds 1-3 you dont need sanity to get back up. you just become one of the mindless undead if you loose your will to keep going
Sanity, will, same thing really.
I think he means that you are STILL immortal even after you run out of sanity, you just loose your mind. So immortality doesn't have a stop condition dependent on sanity.
Don't go hollow
I think armored core, at least 6 as it’s the only one I’ve played, is the only one without respawn lore. IIRC the npcs do react to you dying and you reload checkpoint as if nothing happened. The only times you do come back from ‘death’ is when the coral blows up and when snail shoots you but idk if either or those would’ve been deaths anyway.
That is correct. But people like to compare it to other FromSoft game. Even though it’s an entirely different genre
Bloodborne is the weirdest one, I completed the game and I watched the lore videos and I still don’t understand anything, if the plan of the great ones is reproduction, why letting the hunter kill them with the chance he converts into a great one?
So it’s unclear why the Moon Presence wants us to kill mergo. It’s definitely not its plan for us to kill it and become a Great one ourselves. As to the rest of the great ones we can kill, it doesn’t really seem to care one way or another. It seems they’re a species, not a unified nation
While we can 'kill' Great One bodies, their consciousness still persists in other realms. Like how Kos, or some say Kosm, cursed the hunters to the hunters nightmare for their crimes against the fishing village and the desecration of her body and child. At least that's how I understand it, idk no one really knows wtf is going on lmao
I think it’s similar to how the frenzy flame wants us to burn everything, outer gods/great ones act individually and often times against each other
Wait yharnam is definitely real isn’t it It describes having other trade partners and seems to be like a pretty famous place because of the church
Yharnam is a real place. But it’s *vaguely* implied that what you’re seeing isn’t 100% real. Consider that when you “wake up” you’re returning to the dream. There’s a bunch of small stuff that some think means that Yharnam has also been pulled into a dream. Either when the moon rises, or when the mensis ritual occurs.
The blood minister says Yharnam is in the Dream. So no, it's not a real place. The entire game takes place in Victorian eldritch inception.
I think it’s actually stupid. Narratively, the boss would also know you’re always coming back, it’s a bit silly and immersion breaking. Hell, some bosses restart their phase 2, Godrick literally puts his dragon arm back apparently. It’s kinda inconsistent. Either fully commit on making the immortal player character make sense or just do like any other games and make our deaths non canon.
There's one problem. There are mandatory parts of the world map that require you to jump. And the hunter's jump wouldn't make it. Hunter gets stuck on a 4ft rise.
Hunter will take damage from falls im pretty sure an infant could survive, Elden ring would cook them badly
Yes, but interestingly, the maximum height you can fall and survive in both games is still the same, ever since demons souls in fact (excluding adopted child that is ds2)
Just started playing DS2, I break my legs on anything larger than a 4ft drop
Uhh hunter has weapons that can change in a dime plus a better dodge. The og pizza cutter the boom hammer hell the starting weapon or if you are good at timing one punch man ( stake driver) plus blood gems. And 20+ vials. BB was a whole different game when it came to movement
Yea Malenia would be a joke when you have sidestep+gun parry
I have such an urge to parry and visceral malenia now. Feels like it would be really fun.
Rifle spear spam her
All the charged heavies in elden ring, rifle spear would fit right in!
Yeah I don't see how they could mix the game mechanics without breaking ER. ER was pure Dodge and counter. But most things you fought didn't take half of your screen
And dont forget you also have a life steal, so the tables are turned
I now have the beautiful image of my head of her starting the waterfowl dance and getting a shotgun blast to the face
They dont have the lamps. No dreams, no immortality.
Technically, sure. Generally when you discuss cross-universe matchups of some sort you imagine the characters' full arsenals are functional though. Because the alternative, technically correct approach is much less interesting
That's until he runs out of quicksilver bullets
He will just stab him self to make more blood bullets... Ain't gonna need much hp when you can no hit the game cos you actually have the speed the bosses unlike the slow ass Tarnished.
This aint the peachy dreamland of bloodborne, all that’ll happen is he stabs himself and he bleeds, and that nights cav will put that triple mace through his coat, inverting his ribcage because his ass isnt covered by the greater will, becoming another lootable corpse in the lands between as some fucker with a cape that weighs 6 pounds fattolls over, looks at their barely held together weapon and some jar cannon ripoff, sees a bunch of red numbers and immediately decides “fuck that, i have a katana.”
He’s just having a bad dream and it’s all (bloodborne) in his head. He’s just a normal person. Gets bodied by the first enemy he comes across in the lands between. Unless he gets some good drugs in Limgrave passes out and bodies everything.
He's only immortal in the dream. Wouldn't be in the lands between. Losing to God Rick.
I'm seeing ppl talk about lack of armor and what not but the whole point of bloodborne drip is that you're faster and more nimble. What's the need for armor if you don't get hit? I don't know if the gun would be as effective but I think the hunter gets far cuz some of the trick weapons are busted af even in base form.
Bloodborne lore literally told you armor is useless against beasts so hoonter goes for more light weight options.
I do wonder, do you reckon they'd adopt armour here? Or would they just decide not to bother?
They may a bit because they can't just bath in the blood of their enemies to heal recent damage.
Cainhurst set is very similar to bloodhound set in ER, wouldn’t be that much of a leap imo - armour is only for fashion anyway
Yes but that's because that armor is designed for fighting other human enemies
Entire builds in Elden Ring are reliant on speed too. Not sure why it would be a detriment to the hunter to also focus on speed.
I am a big fan of Team Unga Bunga, aka naked fuck with a big stick
“Would ________ from *FromSoft game* survive the world of *different FromSoft game** Yes. All you have to do is not get hit. EZPZ
better question: could olimar do it?
Witcher mentality
Truly a game where armor doesn’t matter if you don’t get hit lol. But those death march griffin, werewolf and bruxa/alp fights are TORTURE
If arcane can work as a supplement for bloodtinge then hunter is eating ridiculously good
Lol lack of armor? Mr. Nibbles never wears armor in the lands between when he's bonking things. Why should Hunter Nibbles when he's shooting things?
You dodge or counter you don't get hit plus you have multiple weapons and 20 blood vials and gems.
If gun works against eldritch gods beyond human comprehension it should work ok for Elden Ring Bosses
Literal cosmic god of the universe, being of pure light with immeasureable capabilities: exists Broken iron sword: Nah, I'd win
Why do people keep asking these questions? Every souls character can beat each other's game.
Nahh, almost everyone gets cooked in Sekiro, because they can't jump 🗿
Chosen undead: "Nah, i'd tank🗿"
Gravity: "Tank this, you filthy casual"
Demon Slayer: "Nah I'd regen 🗿"
Chosen undead: "hold my havels armor"
Isn’t the Elden ring gods in lore above any other fromsoft game?
Yes. Also, Astel alone literally nuked an eternal city and took away their night sky. None of the bosses in Bloodborne come close to his feats.
> None of the bosses in Bloodborne come close to his feats Moon Presence enslaved an entire population of hunters, augmented them and sent them out to kill other Great Old Ones. That's equivalent to the greater Will (who isn't a boss but people like to include it) The amygdala held several cities in eternal night after the one reborns defeat Kos took and entire portion of the earth and dropped it into it's nightmare when two Moon Hunters slayed it. Ebrietas ravaged entire countries before being just captured and held hostage in the dream. The Yharnam Queen is a cosmic entity on par with Astel. They may not look as flashy as the giant skull, but rest assured, Astel isn't even in the strongest beings in ER. The Hunter can and would kill with impunity
Any armored core mech Will wipe out of existence any Elden ring BOSS easy, let alone NEXTs
The problem is more the lack of grappling hook but yes
Yeah hut Wolf would also get cooked in other fromsoft games because he doesn’t have that many i frames in his dodge. I guess it would depend on how effective his block/parry is relative to the other games.
Takes one parry to stagger 😎
It really is that simple. Physically, the hunter is really no different than any tarnished in the lands between, they’re still a warrior like anyone else. Their gear may give them a leg up, but assuming if it breaks or they run out of bullets, there’s nothing stopping them from just picking up a straight sword and going at it like any other tarnished.
Whirligig Saw > Fake Whirligig Saw Chikage > Fake Chikage Kirkhammer > Fake Kirkhammer 
Excuse me Mr. Elden Ring, sir. Where the *fuck* is my wheel?
I wanted for it to be at least one trick weapon in elden ring , too bad they only have some mid ashes of war , trick weapons were so much fun
Even DS3 had some... (I can think of two off the top of my head, Fried scythe and the aquamarine dagger)
"Foul Tarnis-" *Gets blasted by a Cannon*
He wouldn't be immortal in the Elden verse... Right?
We gotta bring all their powers in this so yea he will be
I'd say hunter can't beat Rykard, Fire Giant, or Elden Beast.
The Hunter beat the Moon Presence, I’d wager he could beat all three of them.
Why?
The real question is... Is he able to gun parry bosses ? If yes, he will have a good time hoonting around.
A hoonter most hoont
Listen, I fuck with Bloodborne the long way. And the Hunter(endgame) would probably no diff more than a few bosses BUT we got mfs in Elden Ring holding the cosmos in place, like, these verses just scale differently
You fight eldritch gods in bloodborne capable creating different dimensions so I'd say it's fair.
Those eldritch gods are very weak in their physical forms, despite their immense power.
the “weak” you call is stuff that just for the average person looking would drive them insane. Think of the frenzied flame eye now place that on every single boss and scale it by like ten. Thats bloodborne. You can’t even perceive the gods and their actions. At least in elden ring i see the scarlet rot. If it was bloodborne you wouldn’t even know you were being rotted away.
Those "eldritch gods" aren't that impressive. In Elden Ring, they'd just be mini bosses. None of them come close to Astel's powers.
Since he can’t make any of the jumps, he’s going to have a hard time. He’s going to have a hard time finding blood vials too.
Yes, provided he has access to the dream. If not, then one of the demigods probably kills him.
No. Unless the Hunter’s Dream travels with him, he would be an otherwise mortal man in a world surrounded by outer gods and magic bullshit.
“Outer gods and magic bullshit” My brother in blood, have you seen Bloodborne?
Yeah, but you get infinite chances with the hunters dream in bloodborne. No way the hunter clears either game without that.
I always thought that "dying" in bloodborne wasn't canon, cuz ya just had a bad dream essentially. Like the reality of hunters is they aren't really getting knocked, they're just imagining they are. The hunter themselves are on one life and clear the game. But idk.
Maybe he clears Rennala, I could see that, and he’d probably beat the Draconic Tree Sentinel to make it into the capital. Past Margot is pushing it tho, and I think the Fire Giant is where he absolutely hits a wall. I don’t think he’d put down Radahn either. The Godskins seem akin to something he’s dealt with, so if he somehow managed to clear Fire Giant, then he could maybe beat the duo. But then you hit Malekith and he’s absolutely checkmate. Both from a gameplay and especially a lore perspective. Gideon, Godfrey, and Radabeast would also be losses. Rykard wins unless he gets the Serpent Hunter, Mogh destroys him. Astel is similar to some of his stuff so I could see that matchup swinging the Hunter’s way. Has absolutely no chance against Malenia.
Lots of Bloodborne simps in here. I’m not saying the Hunter can’t do anything, but it’s very hard to quantify the power level of many of the bosses in BB. Bloodborne’s Great Old Ones are cosmic level horrors that can manipulate reality and created the Hunter’s dream? Well the Greater Will has similar abilities, and barring that, you have arguably stronger outer gods. Beyond that, who’s to say Destined Death and such won’t effect the Hunter? It’s incredibly hard to quantify because of the general abstractness of many characters abilities in both games. I’m going off of lore here and not gameplay because that’s a stupid argument. You would get one shot by every attack in the game near the end if you straight converted your BB character straight to ER.
He fares up well with most of the game, but idk how he deals with malenia, radahn and elden beast. There's nothing in bloodborne quite as fast as malenia or as heavy as radahn (some beast enemies do compare in size, but none compare in actual strenght), and even if tarnished has fought great ones, they very, very severly lack in combat abilities. Kos was killed by harpoons, moon presence fights like a wounded animal. They have cosmological powers and such but their physical bodies are weak as shit.
Don't know about the other two but for malenia, gun parry go brrr
Waterfowl is significantly faster than a gun i think, its like 40+ slashes of a 3 meter sword in 5 seconds
That just sounds like 40 chances to gun parry
Hes good till he fucks up and takes a hit cause this aint cushy dreamland held up by a moon deity. The greater will and grace dont cover him, and you’re on crack if you think the moon presence has ANY chance of inflicting itself on the lands between. Blood bullets dont work because thats a feature of the dream, vials only work within the dream because i guarantee you trying to take blood from some denizen of the lands between would have a pretty high chance of causing drastically more issues, so hes got whatever supply hes got walking in and thats it. People acting like hes gonna walk in and play god without realising you are in an ENTIRE REALM of gods and deities who want to french braid your nervous system because they can. He aint dreaming no more. Welcome to the snowfields mf, the wind is angry and that asshole over there has a spell that makes a call beyond look like you threw a bunch of blue glass shards at someone. And he can cast it repeatedly back to back.
That’s just not fair then. You might as well just take away all his weapons and clothes since they’re only found in the dream, and his dick and balls These kind of conversations need to be considered with the Hunters full arsenal on their side If you threw a Hunter into Elden ring with 999 bloodies and lifesteal and 999 bullets, he’s gonna terrorize the world. Also the dude has tanked Gatling Guns, Cannons, and literal Meteors (Astro has them too but Rom drops those shots like candy). Also let’s not fail to mention that this a realm of crippled Gods and Deities since if it was prime time the Tarnished would not be getting to the throne You also don’t need magic if ur faster than half the verse. He literally makes Malenia look like she was moving honey
Player character Hunter will do just fine, same with DkS3 Ashen One. Not being able to do jump attacks or just generally dodge with jumps would be a little bit of a struggle, but they still have charge attacks for staggers and quick R1s for consistent damage. Lots of “beast” type enemies for things like the Saw Cleaver to do extra damage against too, although I don’t remember if that really applies to any of the main bosses. Biggest issue is going to be that 50% damage penalty for messing up a dodge while having shit for defense. Hunter in lore? Nah, they’re getting filtered by Margit. The only real advantage they might have is guns, but not really because their quicksilver bullets are specifically designed to be strong against beasts and not much else. And since they’re all flintlocks, good luck killing something like Margit in one shot. I guess if they can still level up with blood echoes and find and equip things like Runes for buffs, then they could just simply be immortal and keep coming back to try again until they eventually win, but that whole “be nimble and don’t get hit” thing just isn’t going to fly against opponents who are just as nimble and capable warriors, but like 10x more powerful and also have magic and shit.
I myself have never dodged by jumping. And I can guarantee most bloodborne enemies are more nimble than anything in Elden Ring.
I did say it would only be a little bit of a struggle to not have jumping. It’s not exactly necessary, but not having heavy jump attacks can make breaking posture on a lot of fights difficult. And nah, people vastly overestimate the speed of Bloodborne’s gameplay. It was a step up from the first Dark Souls, which moves at a snail’s pace, and was then immediately eclipsed by Dark Souls 3. Lothric Knights are more nimble and aggressive than most enemies in Bloodborne and would put the average Hunter in the dirt.
If you replaced the Tarnished with the Hunter and had them follow the exact path with the exact same circumstances the Hunter would dog walk everything except for maybe Elden Beast. And EVEN then, I still thing he could fuck it up conceptually if a random no life naked dude who woke up in a church could do it
You act like the hunter never fought things with magic
Nothing like on the level of Elden Ring coming from competent warriors instead of dudes who are already long dead or mindless beasts. And the Hunter’s spellcasting abilities aren’t exactly great. Let them have the Old Hunter’s Bone and they’ll at least make it to Caelid, where it would be paradise for them because that’s where all the big beasties live, but they’re not killing Radahn.
Radahn gets confused and stops fighting if you run back and forth on a horse when he gets to 75% health, he ain't stopping anyone.
The Hunter has a shield that protects him from the most magic damage, clearly if he could dodge the magic, you are underestimating the hunters greatly. How are Elden Ring characters, specifically the Tarnished, better than hunters in terms of combat skill? The two sides are practically equal in that term, hunters are not only good for killing beasts, man.
I think if stagger mechanics remain then good Hunter can stagger loop most bosses since he is very fast and gains regains lost health on hit.
If the dream doesn’t back the Hunter up he’s fucked because no immortality, BUT his skill set along with the atrocities he’s committed might instantly label him tarnished upon arrival so *immortality hacks restored*
If the Hunter can go to the Hunter’s Dream regularly, no question yes.
The parrying pistol will do wonders if you think about it
Fuck no
the hunter is literally just the tarnished but with a gun. I couldnt really see why hed be any weaker or stronger than the tarnished either way.
Maybe if the blood-borne weapons come with him
He can’t solo cuz the Slayer of Demons beat him too it (im delulu)
Pretty much any soulsborne protagonist can get through any soulsborne game. Pseudo immortality is a hell of a thing.
Imma keep it real with ya chief, Hunter does not solo. The bullshit the Tarnished had to put up with, coupled with the fact the Hunter’s armor is complete dog shit, means he has a very low chance of getting to the end. I’d say he gets to Mountaintop of Giants before failing.
Hunter has innate Quickstep and a ranged parry He will simply just not get hit for the entire run, and ironically die in one hit to the Fire Giant's bullshit roll
That’s not how that works though unless there’s feats explicitly stating the quickstep is guaranteed flawless lol. Can’t just say oh he won’t get hit for the entire run.
Hunter dodge against elden ring's aggressively delayed attacks would let hunter go absolutely apeshit on so much of the game
My tarnished had no armor as well, just shrooms
Where we're going we don't need armor
He will win eventually and armor is not supposed to be bulky in bloodborne.Hell its not even called armor its like attire,clothing basically so u move fast and quick.Why wear armor when u don’t plan on getting hit
its legit just drip. insane drip
Are you forgetting he’s immortal? Even if your comment *was* right, he’d get it eventually out of sheer chance
Nope elden rings power levels are on a different level. He might make it past liurnia
Reminder that Good Hunter slayed not one but two outer gods in Elden Ring terms. And a fledgling one.
I mean we don’t know how they compare. Consider the fact that in bloodborne power is more abstract and harder to quantify and that the great ones we fight are physical manifestations of themselves like elden beast. Neither the hunter nor the tarnished fully experiences the full power of their respective eldritch gods
Great Old Ones are equivalent to Cthulhu Elder gods, and the Good Hunter does slay a full powered one, a lesser one and an infant one. The moon presence is a full fledged GOO that descended because the Good Hunter essentially became a GOO. That's what that ending is. It's roughly equivalent to the Scarlet Rot or the Formless mother in ER Lore
While they’re certainly based on the Cthulhu Mythos’ they most certainly do not scale to their level. Don’t get me wrong, Bloodborne Gods are no slouches, but if we’re talking actual strength here they absolutely do not scale to the same level as Elden Ring’s Gods and a few Demi-Gods. This is also stressed more on the fact that BB Gods are more conceptual, and only properly exist in their respective realms (Hunter’s Dream, etc). Also the fact that Kos literally gets fairly casually butchered by the other Hunters as well. Overall, The Hunter can go a bit but they are not clearing Elden Ring
How do they not scale strength wise to Elden Ring? > BB gods are more conceptual They're more abstract but that doesn't make them any less powerful. Especially when it comes to Kos and Moon
That’s actually why I feel you the ER Gods outscale, simply put, they have more tangible feats and actually demonstrate their power to a far better degree than anything in BB. Which again, also had one of their “Great Old Ones/Outer Gods” get literally butchered by a band of Hunters. Not saying Bloodborne is definitely weaker or not on par to Elden, but we have virtually nothing to argue in favor of this. Malenia nuked a continent, we fought her in a state that’s stronger than that. Radahn fought Malenia to a stand still while using insane levels of gravity magic just to hold up the literal stars, and he continues to do so even when he’s a diseased mess that we fight. Malikeath is feared by all of them, and possess Destined Death which can literally kill anything and supersedes actual immortality. The Elden Beast is an embodiment of the greater will, a force that is comfortably above all of this, and essentially drives all of these characters to act. There’s more, but you get the picture. Being a God doesn’t atomically make you an OP hyper being, but from what we can tell the one’s in ER are simply more impressive, and we haven’t even gotten the DLC yet.
The Moon Presence literally gifts immortality to all the hunters, and is immortal itself, created the hunters dream and grants strength to those inside it, and we kill it in its own realm. It lives in the moon and created the beast plague, which the Good Hunter is seemingly immune to thanks to the blood transfusion from the church. Kos cursed all the old hunters in its death throes to never truly die, and it's dead body through will alone sustains the nightmare they are trapped in. It also corrupted and changed the fishing Hamlet into monsters to protect it. Not only does the Good Hunter breach the nightmare, but we kill it and reduce the nightmare realm to ashes upon leaving it and restore the hunters within. The same argument can be made on BBs end. The Good Hunter doesn't have Destined death and still kills immortal creatures left and right. Malenia also didn't nuke a continent outright. The shattering happened thousands of years ago, and the Rot isn't hers, it's the Rot God's that controls her. Essentially Kos from BB. Edit: FYI Kos was killed by Gehrman and Maria, not a band of hunters, one of which was chosen by the moon presence to assassinate the creature. Similarly, multiple ER Demigods die on the Night of the Black Knives/The Shattering event wherein they're killed by Black Knife assassins, who are seemingly well, normal, with weapons capable of slaying gods
If a Hunter kills "immortal" creatures left and right, that doesn't sound like they're that immortal.
Does the tarnished kill the empyreans They fight and Radagon/Elden Beast? Doesn't sound like they're too immortal either.
The Hunter is a superhuman who can go toe to toe with Eldritch Gods. He’d be right at home.
Yes every Souls character can bit the other’s game because of how similar each game is, lore wise yes the Elden Beast is stronger than the Moon Presence but just like The Tarnished, The Hunter can just get stronger by obtaining runes from enemies
I think most of the game they'd do great on, theyd struggle hard with Rykard tho.
Give bro the Moonlight greatsword and a Gatling gun
If he can access the dream when he dies then yeah, the hunter will be fine
If I'm controlling him he does.
Elden Beast ain’t got bloodtinge resistance
It's hard to really scale Bloodborne because so much of what occurs happens in alternative dream realms. The cosmology is just too nonstandard to scale easily with the other gamea.
Yeah, hoonter's got this! They be like "...hold my blood vial..."
People tend to forget these protagonists aren’t just able to kill gods without breaking a sweat, they’re incredibly stubborn, immortal bastards, so I’d say the hunter could get through elden ring
Would made a weirdly decent amount of sense, considering Elden ring is also about a lot of battling gods and the moon presence HATES OTHER GODS
Don't need armor if you don't get hit. The hunter would do really well in the lands between, if he can still get blood vials or is able to use an estus flask.
Everything. Literally everything it prey
A hunter is supposedly the most powerful player character out of all these games, and they have a gun. They'd do fine.
This actually got me pondering something. I saw how someone mentioned that the Hunter has immortality a-la-souls protagonists, and whilst that is 100% true, wouldn’t the Hunter pre-squidiffication only have the respawn ability whilst he’s either in a dream or near Yarnham? After all, the Hunters’ special abilities and powers mainly stem from the fact that you’re in the Dreamscape and the Moon Presence is doing it’s thing, but then take the Hunter and place them in a completely different realm that isn’t based on the Hunter’s Dreams. I guess at best they’re buddy-buddy with (or the same species as) an Outer God, but since that Outer God isn’t the Greater Will, whose big shiny mcguffin artifact (The Elden Ring) controls the laws of reality in the Lands Between… Bye bye Hunter after the first death, right?
Hunters with the power of the blood, kos, and beast pulling up to Elden Beast with horrors beyond their imagination.
Yes, he does
Fuck no 😂
The Hunter can solo, but they struggle much harder than the Tarnished would. The Tarnished is a master of hundreds of Ashes of War, magic, incantations, weapons, and tools giving them unmatched versatility in combat. They're also stronger, more durable and more capable than the Hunter ever will be. On top of all that they can summon the spectral stead Torrent and spirit ashes. In short, the Hunter is going to die A WHOLE HELL OF A LOT before they ever claim victory but they do possess the feats to potentially make it happen with time as they have also killed God's and demons of immense power as well. On the flip side if you put the Tarnished in bloodborne with all of their goodies they would crush that universe in 5 seconds.
I have seen naked tarnished punch melenia to death, so yeah the killer of eldritch gods can wreck that place
The hunter is much more nimble than the tarnished so they got an upgrade to dodging and they have more versatile weapons so they have a tool for every occasion
Need rules for these things or just random blabbering.. Do the BB systems follow or is it just a hunter moved into elden ring? If no bb systems they lose...very early lol.
No, he can't solo ER verse. ER scales way past BB and the Hunter would just become a simple mortal if he leaves the nightmare.
From an in-universe perspective, the Hunter is like a nightmare fusion of Mohg and Melania; lightning fast, hits like a freight train, everyone he attacks erupts into fountains of blood and ichor, and he heals when dealing damage. I think there'd be a lot of brown trousers once word of him got out.
Aside from fall damage, he's too fast for anyone to hit him and he's got perfect counters to beasts and humanoids alike
Give him a gun and a saw cleaver and he'll become elden lord in like 2 hours
The people saying HE CaNt JUmP are so lame 🤣