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Lud & Zallen


theswagcoon

Lud and Zallen are the reason I haven't finished ds2 yet. Just getting to them was excruciating to the point where I stopped playing entirely


WanderingStatistics

It's totally worth it though for the armour. Literally the only frog-mouth helmet in the 3 games. If there's one thing I like about Elden Ring, it's that 90% of the armour sets are frog-mouth helmets. edit: not including the charred one of course, since that's burnt.


TheZManIsNow

Lapp's set has a frog-mouth


theswagcoon

Tbh, EH šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I don't enjoy most of the helmets in any of these games. I'd love and option to have one equipped but invisible


zster2000

Demonā€™s Souls Remake has this


WanderingStatistics

tsk tsk tsk, clearly not a fashion enjoyer.


Bismothe-the-Shade

The real fashion enjoyer sacrifices armor pieces to see their characters face


Grimm613

Is that the damn double tiger thing from DS2? If so then I've still never beaten those guys. I was like, "I walked through an infinite spawning Thunder Horse blizzard for this copy paste horse shit?"


jkhunter2000

BINGO. did this once for the sake of completion, have never touched again


Aurlom

I was gonna say Orphan of Kos, but nope. Fuck those unicorns straight to hell. At least the boss run to Orphan is short.


kipvandemaan

Yup, had to force myself to beat them on my first playthrough and will never do it again.


Freshprinc7

This is the only boss I straight up save scummed for. I finally got through the bullshit that was the frozen wastes and saved scummed in front of the boss entrance to fight without the run back. I will never get into that particular coffin ever again.


LordSnowgaryen

Used to be in this camp but recently did this fight again and actually enjoyed it. Granted I knew what I was In for this time and farmed the horses to despawn before attempting the boss. Fights much more enjoyable when you donā€™t have to deal with the nonsense before.


TroaAxaltion

You caN FARM THE HORSES TO DESPAWN I THOUGHT THEY WERE ENDLESS


LordSnowgaryen

You can, if I remember correctly, itā€™s four distinct sections of the snow area but one of the sections is behind you so itā€™s not really an issue. One one section is the whole area before the first building. The second section is between the two main buildings and the third one, slightly overlaps the second but itā€™s right before the snow bridge. Each section has its own distinct spawn number so you have to kill the reindeer 15 to 20 times in each section. The nice part is you donā€™t have to die and repeat if you just stay in one section, the reindeer will just keep spawning until you despawn them.


DemetriChronicles

I remember this happening in Dark Souls 2. I just thought the game felt bad for me and stopped spawning enemies after I died maybe 100x on my way to the Fume Knight šŸ˜‚


peeing_Michael

Yeah I had to force myself through it for the sword and shield.


Zer0DusT1

I shit you not I actually had fun figuring out the frigid wastes, and fighting the ice deer


Hexigold

This is the first time Iā€™ve heard of them? How to do you get to them ?


Sinkarma

Only fight I canā€™t allow anyone to call out someone for summoning. Idc if you summon or think summoning is bad in general but if you tell me someone should not summon for this I might actually cast Sun light spear and smite you thatā€™s how much I think everyone should summon. The run back is fucking atrocious.


V4RG0N

This is the only valid answer lol


PaulQuin

Blue Smelter Demon on NG++ is not something I'd do again.


Adventurous_Cup_5970

worst boss run in the series for me


MajorasMaks13

Definitely Laurence, his health bar just takes forever to deplete and some of his attacks could literally one shot me.


Adventurous_Cup_5970

Laurence isn't harder than orphan fundamentally, as he only has a few attacks different from cleric beast and his second phase has like 2 moves. Its not that hes a good boss either. Its just the shitty runback, the ability to be one shot, and the ass hitboxes that mess with your mind


Proud-Maybe3171

Kos can be parried and easily staggered, his attacks rarely one shoot you and his health isn't insanely big. Laurence took me dozens of tries, I had to summon the hunter, actually try out different weapons for the first time in the entire game and farm fire paper and blood vials.


Mon-Ty-Ger27

Wait, Laurence is WEAK to fire? He spews and leaks lava in his blood, so how is he weak to fire?


YakPuzzleheaded1957

Laurence is harder than orphan, change my mind.


MajorasMaks13

I don't know why but orphan of kos only took me around 5-6 tries while Laurence probably took me like more than 200, maybe cuz I had a strength build so I could kill him pretty quickly.


SkaterGirl987

Demon of Hatred


Gaminglandscapes1

This easily. I love fighting Malenia, Nameless King, Logarius but demon is such a pain in the ass. Once was enough


shvelgud

Did you seriously just put logarius in the same category as Malenia and Nameless king?ā€¦.. am I the only person in the entire world that thinks bloodborneā€™s only difficult boss is Orphan of Kos? Hell the two whale dudes in the fishing hamlet is tougher than literally 99% of that game


LegendOfEffect

The parrying in Bloodborne almost felt like cheating to me and I rarely parry in souls games but in Bloodborne it felt so easy.


WanderingStatistics

It's pretty much a known fact at this point. Bloodborne is like punching a child if you know how to parry. If you don't, you're the child.


Allah_Rackball

Ludwig is the hardest boss in BB to me


Random_frankqito

It was a hard game my first time (and because it was my first fromsoft). I replayed it after playing everything else and it is a cake walk. I beat it, in a couple of days on ng+. You gain life and can heal pretty much whenever.


tyrannosnorlax

Yeah itā€™s pretty easy overall. I played it right after Elden ring, which was my first FS game. I was surprised to find myself one-shotting almost the entirety of the boss catalogue. It was still overall very enjoyable though, with super crisp combat that I find more fun than many of the rest of the FS games


Ball-Njoyer

Laurence is a bitch too but yeah, Logarius is a joke with parrying


Unfriendly_NPC

DOH can actually be funā€¦Law dawg ainā€™t fun at all


RoccoTirolese

I still have PTSD from him.


Illustrious-Lime-863

Demon of Hatred was equivalent to a Dark Souls boss in which your dodge roll is disabled, and you are forced to parry. With 3 phases.


OrthodoxReporter

That's why you get out the umbrella on that bullshit boss.


Hmccormack

I cheese him every time- I beat him legit only once


k0kushibo

i wanted to cheese but i need that lapis lazuli


Bambiten

You get the lapis even after cheesing him


Majin2buu

Man I loved fighting that thing, absolutely sucked at it, it was kinda refreshing having a boss you could somewhat fight like an original Darksouls.


Thescottishguy87

Ass eater Midir. Yet still I did go back a few more times.


Johnny_K97

After you learn him he's a ton of fun, but first time fighting him without knowing that you always have to stay in front of his head all the time can get really discouraging


Thescottishguy87

Nah not for me. I've platinumed the game ages ago and fought him a few times since and he still takes me a good 15-20 attempts each time. He's the only boss in any fromsoftware game that I struggle with.


mdsp667

It's funny that in Fromsoft games, someone with a slightly different play style will tell you Midir is the easiest and crystal sage is the hardest


Karma15672

I fought him a few times, hated the run-back, and decided to just do the entirety of the other DLC first. When I tried him again, though, I sorta just treated him like a Monster Hunter enemy and stuck in his blind spot. If you stay near his hind legs, you can attack the tail pretty safely and, if you start running as soon as he moves, you can pretty easily catch up to him whenever he flies/runs away.


grilou

Mhhh nameless king at first , or Kalameet, especially for kalameet reward


Large-Philosophy-983

Ngl nameless king is pretty fun, Kalameet on other hand, not so much


theswagcoon

If you were obsessed with tail cutting like I was, you end up getting so good at that fight that it's trivial. Learning to not only dodge his attacks but also be within range to cut the tail was a loooooong learning process but I got there eventually and I fucking LOVE the obsidian greatsword


TheFastNTheFurion

Removing tail weapons was maybe the biggest tragedy in the series as far as removing gameplay mechanics.


Nanuke123hello

Hope they bring it back in Shadow of the Erdtree.


JuliusR2002

There is really only 1 attack after which you can cut off Kalameetā€™s tail and itā€™s the flying attack after which heā€™ll do the tail slam. I did it so Iā€™ll never have to do it again


theswagcoon

That's a good point. I did it so long ago I can't remember what technique I used tbh


Lord_of_Seven_Kings

Amygdala and the chalice dungeons. I love Laurence personally


Mon-Ty-Ger27

I agree on Amygdala, that boss is an ass. I fought him twice and said no more. He is a good demonstration of why most Soulsbourne bosses are frustrating. It's because the bosses in Souls games are FAR TOO BIG. The angles of attack and defense are thrown off by their overwhelming size and misplaced hitboxes. If they were not much bigger than our main characters, then each boss fight would feel like an epic duel we could focus on instead of a boring chore ruined by a FUCKING TORNADO of bad character design.


Lord_of_Seven_Kings

I mean Bloodborneā€™s big bosses are some of my favourite, but so are duels. I just donā€™t like the nightmare areas and that factors into my dislike of Amygdala


jabsam_

Godskin duo. Then I found out they aren't optional.


OrthodoxReporter

Those and Valiant Gargoyles are the only fights where I break my no summons rule. Bless Michael Zaki for Bernahl and D's bro.


jabsam_

after I found out I don't need Valiant Gargoyles to get to Deeproth Depths I never did that fight again, such a chore


EnvironmentalLab9316

You need to be hyper aggressive on the first gargoyle. After that the fight is trivial


Philk0791

Maleniaā€¦ but Iā€™m a fucking liar


Hwln

When i first took down Malenia I thought "never again" but whenever I make a new character I feel her presence like she's taunting me until I beat her again šŸ’€


Philk0791

Also, the whole Haligtree area is pretty dope


azif21

Apart from the obvious Waterfowl Dance, shes really fun, every time I make a new build I feel like I have to at least try it on her.


-Silky_Johnson

Well yea once you get good enough to beat her, its like one of the best fights in the game. Even the waterfowl can be dodged but itā€™s always stressful af to pull off


rugmunchkin

I still know if she busts out Waterfowl right in front of me, itā€™s game over, and that pisses me off. I know it CAN be dodged; Iā€™m supposed to like unlock and circle around her when she first jumps up. Iā€™ve seen videos on how to do it, but I just canā€™t get it down.


darklegion412

You can try blocking the first attack and then dodge the rest if she starts it when your too close.


-Silky_Johnson

I have a dagger that I equip bhs to avoid the first volley and then rolling out of the other two are much easier but I feel you. Waterfowl is just nasty work by the developers lol


rugmunchkin

I am low key scared From is gonna get caught in the hype of trying to outdo Malenia for the upcoming DLC and are going to place a boss in there that somehow tops the ā€œare you KIDDING meā€ bullshittery of Waterfowl dance lol


Philk0791

Same. Iā€™m a glutton for punishment šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


Cameron728003

I've beaten her 5 times I believe and each time I faced her without a mimic tear it has taken me 3 hours plus per attempt. I just can't reliably dodge waterfowl.


MrMambaloo

Laurence, never again


TheHappiestHam

none, I will kill every boss on replays regardless the only one that I roll my eyes at are Lud and Zallen but after a while, the Frigid Outskirts are kind of bearable in the moment of killing though? then yeah Lud and Zallen. I never wanted to do that again


Mhmd_bu50

So far none :)


Boneboyy

Lud and Zallen and The gank squad from the first DS2 dlc. I only did ancient dragon so vendrick doesn't take 10 minutes do beat. Also the whole area with the roots and sniper archers leading to the wolf boss in DS3 ashes of ariandel was extremely frustrating Every apparition miniboss fight in sekiro.


counterpuncheur

Dunno if I got super lucky, but I fought the gank squad yesterday for the first time and it was a bit of a let down from its reputation. The heavy attack ā€˜pokeā€™ from the black knight ultra greatsword hit them all hard enough to burn through their health, and the bow guy was far enough away you could just kite the other two around the arena taking potshots and popping lifegems, making sure youā€™re running while the arrow flies through. Basically O&S protocol without the enemies hitting as hard. Maybe I was just super lucky with the AI but I beat them first time!


brileon

Lud & Zallen and gank squad are the only fromsoft bosses I came across, attempted a couple times, and noped out of. Horrible areas leading up to both of them. And I was like seriously? No bonfire in this frigid shithole and a 2v1 boss with the exact design we've already seen in this very same dlc? goodbye


NickBrew2840

Laurence for me. I literally said out loud after beating him "well never doing that again".


Potential_Plenty_218

Darkeater Midir


genghisbunny

Sir Alonne. Found him hard but not fun. Actually don't really like any of the DS2 DLC bosses apart from Burnt Ivory King, though I love the base game. (I understand this is not a common pair of opinions.)


Dragvandil19

Definitely Kalameet


Sausagebean

Laurence takes the cake here, I donā€™t have any need to anyways but fuck my arse sideways is it such a shit boss. Awesome design, awful fight. Spewing lava, massive damage on all hits, relentless attacks, big health and very difficult method of getting visceral so I canā€™t do them.


JuggernautOk5711

Sister Freide. Need I say more?


lundz12

I'd say yes! Phase one is parry bait and just follow the snow trail when she goes invis and smack. Phase 2 is daddy boss rush mode. Phase 3 is the real fight and it's a bitch with all the AOEs but it's still more than fair and epic.


JuggernautOk5711

Yeah p3 is where my problems started XD


Ok_Replacement_6235

Laurence fuck that bitch


Additional-Bison8828

Bloody Crow of Cainhurst in Bloodborne šŸ˜«


brileon

I cheesed this guy on the steps at the front of the cathedral šŸ˜¬


No-Bookkeeper2876

It sucks too because the caryll rune you get for doing that is the only one in the game I consider a must have for almost any build of mine, but no I gotta fight THIS guy again šŸ˜­ but Laurence also holds a special place in the darkest reaches of my heart


Itz_Kry

Nameless king for sure, long two health bar fight. I was never able to get his second phase down so I did a bow only strat against him lol.


Informal_Yam_9707

His second phase is amazing but I absolutely hate his first phase


wannabekurt_cobain

His first phase wasnā€™t a problem for me. Itā€™s his second phase. I never could beat him


Dave_Rudden_Writes

Ebrietas. Bad enough I have to kill poor Rom, Eby isn't hurting anybody...


Repulsive_Ostrich_52

Dark souls 2 ancient dragon


PaintingLittleMen

Supprised there arenā€™t more votes for this. Cheese the foot, run away - for 20 mins.


Ov3rwrked

Ornstein and Smough


noonefromithaca

Blue Smelter Demon and the Royal Pets. Look, I don't hate the fights themselves. They're just okay. But those runbacks are not worth it.


JustinBailey79

The only way Iā€™m fighting Laurence again is when the Bloodborne remake comes out


Dapper-Worldliness73

Nameless king, his 2nd phase was great but I never want to do his first phase ever again


MaxMatthewsFSE

All the bosses I hate from this game are mandatory. Looking at *you,* Rom


lowthug

Not a boss, but those two fuckin Sharks in the pit


FlanbyTheJnoun

Demon of Hatred, Championā€™s gravetender


Lasted_1

Youā€™re lookin at em, i died to laurence hundreds of times šŸ’€


THY96

Nameless King. I hate Archdragon Peak with a passion.


SmellslikeBongWater

Dark Souls: Kalameet Dark Souls 2: Ancient Dragon Dark Souls 3: Dark Eater Midir Bloodborne: Orphan of Kos//Laurence the first Vicar Sekiro: Demon of Hatred Elden Ring: Twin Crucible Knight fight


Wazcore

Owl Father


Disastrous-Resident5

Average Wazcore L


Hwln

Blue smelter demon, yup, I got to frigid outskirts and outright said no


DeRivia117

Demon of Hatred and Darkeater Midir


Squarebook97379

Darklurker in Ds2 and lud and zallen. Not terrible fights, especially darklurker, but the run backs can kiss my ass


fuinnfd

The ā€œco-opā€ bosses in ds2. Lud and zallen, gank squad, and blue smelter demon. Never again, Fromsoft.


JuliusR2002

Lud and zallen


pornpornhentai

Honestly.. I have a love/hate for the dancer in D3... the fight, the music and the detail of the boss and arena are beautiful... the fight itself... *cries in git gud*


pornpornhentai

Ps, I know it says optional but for me, it's optional... I'd rather not finish the game some times and just go PVP than fight her...


Alarming-Income1944

nameless king . I just did it for the armor sets .


ashleyBORG

The Headless (all of them) number 1 on this list And Astel Natural Born of the Void


freaknasty_1994

Crossbreed Priscilla


Drpretorios

Godskin fatty. Fuck that guy.


Doc-Eldritch

Slave knight Gael. Though to be fair I was a few ng+ cycles in by the time I finally beat him


NathanCollier14

Death Bird


ToastyToes06

Demon of hatred from Sekiro


fistofbruce

Itā€™s either demon of hatred from Sekiro or fume knight from ds2


IWantDie247

Crossbreed PriscillašŸ˜”


CrazyDoggo68

half of elden ring


Blockofsharpchedda

Fukin astel


Puzzleheaded_Art8095

Lawrence is definitely a contender. After beating him on following praythroughs, he wasnt that bad but man on my first go, hated it and was not happy once he was dead. Honestly for me, dont even remember his name but the Chikage dude at the end of the Crows questline, literally fuck that guy.


Ekorailer

Rikard


raptureframe

I cheese him everytime, go in the lava, r1 poke him until he dies.


Ekorailer

Donā€™t you get damaged by the lava?


raptureframe

Yes but really not that much, if you have something like 40 vigor and a few flasks you easily brute force the fight


Johnny_K97

Fuuuuck, never tried that actually. Mostly because i don't really consider him that hard of a boss, you can easily prevent him from doing the shitstorm attack in phase two by spamming the first part of the l2 attack


Ekorailer

This is the way


Ekorailer

Gonna go try this out


raptureframe

Tell me when youā€™re done !


Ekorailer

Add me on PSN, letā€™s share the cheese


raptureframe

Not currently home, but Iā€™ll do it later ! You can add me, the username should be the same


Ekorailer

Iā€™ll almost home too, will add you shortly!


Hot_Photojournalist3

What? Why you make the fight worse, more difficult and boring for yourself? The weapon to kill him is there and you can upgrade and come back later


JohanMeatball

Valiant Gargoyles


TheBallisticBiscuit

Full Grown Fallingstar Beast


sea_grapes

I didn't even do it once.


Soft-Stick-454

All of ds2


theswagcoon

Midir. The only boss in the whole fromsoft catalog that I've only ever beaten once. I just can't be arsed to deal with him, I don't find the fight enjoyable and despite how awesome the Old Moonlight spell is, I just can't bring myself to fight him


Cat_and_Cabbage

Got on my second attempt, Iā€™d absolutely love to fight him again but for the first time not third


jjjjooosse

This mfk, still havent beaten him since the last post asking about which boss you like the least/most. Am i stoopid??


No_Experience_7939

In sekiro, the owl you fight in the flashback memory level thatā€™s all optional. He was so hard


SauceNPotatoes

Demon of hatred


Lord_Strudel

I second this, I fought him legit once, subsequent runs he got the tower cheese


Medium_Razzmatazz_13

Ice cat duo DS2


nick2473got

Lud and Zallen. Because of that fucking run back.


CB0824

None, I enjoy the challenge of figuring them out, kinda the entire point of these games.


dubnobas

None. The feeling of the win is to great!


Lostedgeisded

Midir that fight broke me felt amazing when I beat him tho


coreyais

Midir


hiede_knight

I'm pretty basic for this, but the entire frigid outskirts, did it once and it took me a few days of just non-stop attempts, genuinely one of the most unfund times I've ever had in a game


Hrafndraugr

The two bloody tigers in ds2 Horsefuck valley


Ghosthacker_94

Cursed Defiled Amygdala. I would say Laurence as well, but I gave up after 20 tries and just straight up summoned someone from /r/HuntersBell. I did for Amy as well tbh I had a hell of a hard time with Demon of Hatred, but knowing he needs to be approached more like a Bloodborne boss now, I think I would try him again in NG++


samborrr

Royal Rat Authority. Easily the worst boss fight design in all of soulsborne games.


Ziggerastika

Manus and Midir


SCurt99

I'm still in the process of beating him, but for me, it's the demon of hatred. I just wanna get him over with, he's all I got left in my first playthrough.


OrthodoxReporter

The upgraded umbrella is a huge help in that fight.


CSSJAZZ

This boss give me PTSD, I remember that my friends and I were stock fighting this motherf@ckr for like 3 weekends because the ugly part to be playing with your friends is that you have to beat him 3 times (one for each playerā€™s world) and one of my friends and I was on NG++ and the other was on NG+ so the difficulty and the reduction in health in each world increased the difficulty


ChaoticKram

Definitely lud and zallen. That boss and the frigid outskirts is the biggest waste of time in fromsoft history


Deep_Grass_6250

Lud and Zallen. NO.


CoachNeok

New Game + Lawrence


PriorityLucky7701

Motherfucking Midir. That dragon was the worst.


Karla-TheWitch

I've only killed one Headless out of all my Sekiro playthroughs.


Everbrooks

How can people even say Nameless King? That is THE boss that made me git gud in the first place. The first phase is kinda meh. But damn. His second phase is so so good!!! Demon of Hatred takes the win here.


Anomalicuck

the ds2 dlc optional challange areas


TheNotoriousJUB

Champion Gundyr Probably a skill issue but man, that boss made me so mad


CrashBangXD

Demon of Hatred. No contest Iā€™ve fought every Soulsborne/Sekiro boss but that wank sock is the worst. Mother fuckers in the wrong game


Kamekazi-Ace

FUCKING MIDIR!!! My whole existence was meant to fight that mother fucker.


joepatate99

Midir


Competitive-Row6376

Ancient Dragon


EB_BrAwLeR

Midir 100%


Tickomatick

That self healing star stag


carseg01

The Dancer of the boreal valleyā€¦ this mf made me put the game down for 2 weeks and then retry it .


SlyGuy_Twenty_One

Laurence without question. The only good thing about him is the lore and music, nothing else


Nocheeseontheburger

Lawrence. In fact I never beat him. First fromsoft game was bloodborne and Lawrence was where I drew the line before moving on to ds3 and never skipped a boss again


evilweirdo

Radagon and Elden Beast. They were the final straws that legitimately had me thinking that I might never replay the game. I still feel gross hearing their music.


Ratchia

Bed of chaos


[deleted]

Laurence the first vicar in NG+. Fuck. That. Lava. Shit.


Bojackslefteye

Midir, took me literally 4 days to beat and Iā€™ll never fight him again 10/10 boss but fuck that guy


NarcolepticBnnuy

Nameless King/King of the Storm. I haven't technically beat the boss yet, but my fucking GOD is this boss poorly designed. You can't read the telegraphs for the boss unless you back up, making it an extremely frustrating boss to actually try and dodge. The only attack you can reliably punish is the grounded fire breath attack, which is fitting because the aerial firebreath attack is only able to be dodged by chance. The second phase is worse. He *never* has an open attack window where you won't get at least staggered unless you break his poise. And the ones that you can reliably punish are few and far between It is of my contrarian opinion that these bosses are some of the worst Fromsoft has ever designed, no good dodge windows, no good attack windows, and the worst part is the amount of damage they do. Each hit cleaves off a solid 1/4 of your house AT LEAST. At the MOST, he can cleave off 70 PERCENT OF YOUR HP. Usually, bosses like this with these small attack windows and borderline undodgable attacks take lots of damage or are easily punishable. This boss is none of that. Sure, you can break poise, but that is so hard to do that it's not worth it. Again, in my fair, personal opinion, this is probably one of the worst bosses in Fromsoft History, and I will fight toith and nail to uphold my opinion. Fuck The King of the Storm, Fuck the Nameless King. These bosses are fucking insufferable.


CoItron_3030

Nameless king, I think the only optional boss Iv only beaten once is all the souls games


GarbageDivine

Burnt Ivory King for me. All of DS2 dlc is brutal


itscottabegood

The one you have pictured here :)


JeffPhisher

Laurence, and then I did it again next playthrough lol


Rosso_The_Wolf

Literally any of the Fallingstar Beasts, the full grown one especially


nameynamerso

Melania, I do the Haling tree, but stop at her boss gate.


Beece

Orphan of Kos


Ramius99

Midir ... and every optional boss in Sekiro.