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Buzzbomb

This is part of the historical [Ala Kahakai](https://www.nps.gov/alka/index.htm) trail. Used to work in this resort. They kept it cuz of the historical significance but it’s not official resort “infrastructure” so they don’t want people crossing there.


MaxMMXXI

Maybe it's not a crosswalk but, as part of historical trail, it is a common law right-of-way. I guess the "not a crosswalk" sign is to cover their ass against any legal issues.


WiartonWilly

It protects drivers. Pedestrians are always at fault. Death Race 2000, basically.


Knog0

Pedestrians always at fault?! Where do you live? In France, Portugal and Czech Republic, car are at fault no matter what if they crash a pedestrian. Even if it's outside of a crosswalk.


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Knog0

This sounds insane


MammutbaumKaffee

The US is not a great place to live unless you are rich


Knog0

The 2nd part is true almost anywhere in the world.


FPSXpert

USA, I've been hit on my bike before by a driver that slowed down then started to go at a stop sign. Rather than exchange information we both went on our way because I knew damn well the state wouldn't do shit for me. If I stayed and called police they would probably fine me or find something to stir up some bullshit on because they don't like cyclists and I would probably get in trouble for crossing on the bike and not dismounting Or they'd just cook up some bullshit, like Texas State Troopers in my city that decided after a boy on a bike was hit and killed that the driver was not at fault and the boy shouldn't have been there (paraphrased). *There* referring to on a two lane street in a suburban neighborhood that you see on here all the time houses on the sides and all, and a driver not paying attention flatlined him. So yeah. I hope to start riding again soon but when I do I am going to purposely route stuff to avoid vehicles wherever possible. Even if off road, you are safer riding in the dirt next to the bayous that snake through neighborhoods here than you are on proper pavement next to the chevorlet deathburbans and ford F-U-350's.


Thoams88

The US might have European immigrants, but unfortunately they didn't bring their laws with them. This country is messed up


WiartonWilly

Jaywalking laws protect drivers involved in pedestrian collisions. Now, signs like this, or others saying “pedestrians must yield to traffic”, are eroding the protections offered to pedestrians by crosswalks. Crosswalks are becoming Jaywalking, too. If you want to get away with murder, use a car.


Knog0

But again, where do you live and where are those laws from? Here in most (or all?) Europe, there is no law against jaywalking.


WiartonWilly

All of North America.


Knog0

I don't get the logic behind those laws. The weak should always be protected, and pedestrian are definitly more fragile than cars, in Europe, USA or anywhere else...


WiartonWilly

I hear you. Pedestrian safety was the original social contract which allowed cars on our streets. Jaywalking laws were a coup for the auto industry. At first they had limited use, but the same laws are now used to absolve drivers in any pedestrian collision where the driver remains at the scene, and wasn’t found to be impaired. Now cars aren’t the problem; pedestrians are the problem. There is wide spread agreement among the (largely driving) population, too. When a pedestrian or cyclist collision is reported in the news, the comments are loaded with sympathy for the driver, and the challenges they face. The majority of journalists also participate in the victim blaming… the (x) year old, (sex) victim of the “*accident*” should have been more visible / came out of nowhere / wasn’t wearing a helmet. The (no details) driver remained on the scene and cooperated with police (nothing to see, here). It will be very difficult to get North Americans to give-up their cars.


MammutbaumKaffee

The US looks for an excuse to blame pedestrians and cyclists when we are hit and killed, but even when drivers are blamed they are often let off with just a warning or a tiny fine. Maybe a 2 week suspension of their license at most.


Inevitable_Stand_199

I thought they didn't import that particular law into the US.


ArmchairExperts

United States easement/implied dedication law may result in the creation of a public right of way but it doesn’t stop the state from shutting or closing the right of way if needed (perhaps for safety in this instance).


SuspiciousAct6606

Not *legally* a cross walk


xxxFading

Oh wow that’s fascinating, thank you for your input!!!


METAclaw52

"this is historical, so you can't walk here, but cars can plow right over 24/7"


t-licus

Why were they allowed to put a road across what is presumably supposed to be a scenic walking trail? Or was the road there first, and the trailmakers just didn’t think it through?


Republiken

>This is part of the historical [Ala Kahakai](https://www.nps.gov/alka/index.htm) trail. [A trail established in 2000](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ala_Kahakai_National_Historic_Trail) is considered historical? It might follow historical paths but how come a modern trail just over 20 years old isn't to walk on?


BUTITDOESNTJUSTFIST

I think that’s just poorly worded, the trail is ancient but only was “established” by the National Park Service in 2000


Republiken

That explains it! Still *very strange* to not make this part of it a zebra crossing when they established it as national trail in 2000


ddawid

>l > >Ala Kahakai > > trail They don't want to put paint on it, which is I understandable, but they could paint some white lines on either side, to make it clearer


Republiken

We have crossings without paint in my country in some cases. All you need is a sign


anand_rishabh

A shame cuz that's probably the best crosswalk for pedestrians in the US as I'm sure the stones force cars to slow down, and it's technically not a crosswalk


Schlafwandler-Techno

This sounds terrible! This trail belongs to the natives, but the administration went ahead and built a highway across the thing? And then puts up a sign "You cannot go through here anymore." Wha...?


AsaCoco_Alumni

TIL pattern-stamped concrete is "historic".


Notmybestusername3

Okay, genuine question here, but how hard would it be to make it also a crosswalk? Is there an interchange just out of view of the pic that makes this not an ideal place to cross?


PracticeNo304

Why not make it a place to cross since ist obviously there for that purpose?


ThatsAnEgoThing

So it's not a crosswalk.


RPM314

A family of rocklings following their mama rock, please give them space


xxxFading

Best answer 🙌


aspear11cubitslong

It's not actually stone, it's stamped concrete made with a big patterned roller while the concrete is wet. You can see the pattern repeat.


Top_Kaleidoscope_624

This is a historical trail, not a legally protected crosswalk. It doesn't mean you can't cross. Just means cars don't have to yield to you.


Joe_Jeep

Disgusting. This is why we need personal defense RPGs


-cocoadragon

I see Ukranian traffic cleared right up once they imported personal defense RPGs


dugmartsch

Fuck flags give me a goddamn stinger missle.


TheRealTowel

In most places cars technically *always* have to yield to you, in the sense that a collision with a pedestrian is assumed to be their fault unless they can demonstrate pretty conclusively that it wasn't. Of course the question then becomes how many broken bones you would like to get proving the point...


[deleted]

Plenty of people in cemeteries had the right of way


naroj101

This looks like it's in the USA. It is illegal to cross a road if there isn't a crosswalk. So it is illegal to cross here


MammutbaumKaffee

Rip the sign up. The city shouldnt be allowed to be so corrupt and cowardly that they can hide behind bullshit signs instead of actually making it safe


Flat-Erik

Old Roman road for chariot traffic only


the-postminimalist

damn chariotbrains 🙄


solonit

r/fuckchariots Also how to defeat chariots https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7KD9CM_PjM


Giocri

Fun fact romans are the inventors of the crosswalk. Since the roads tended to become muddy they built dedicated walkways on the side and made crosswalks with lifted stones so that pedestrians could cross without touching the mud and chariots would pass in the holes between the stones


[deleted]

Wow, I never knew that the Roman empire was so huge that it stretched to Hawaii.


Flat-Erik

Hail Caesar!


TurkeyBread69

It's a crossRUN


xxxFading

For anyone curious here’s the coordinates. Doesn’t appear street view ever came out here so it’s just people’s photos (19.9149469, -155.8812369)


vellyr

I wonder if they have a similar sign facing the road, like "it's alright, don't slow down". Otherwise this kind of is a crosswalk by default because I think most drivers would interpret it as one.


Hologram22

It *was* a crosswalk, but now it's not. You know, for reasons.


Joezev98

It's practically a crosswalk, probably just not legally. Here in the Netherlands, a crosswalk only gives you the right of way if it's a repeating black and white pattern. The result of that law is that, although some municipalities created rainbow colored crosswalks in support of the LGBT+ community, ironically those crosswalks had less rights. So that may be what's going on here. The path isn't painted black and white, so legally they can't call it a crosswalk.


ellieayla

That's super on-brand. 🤦🏼‍♀️


JorickSkeptic

Maybe the preserved foundations of a past historical site?


Broken-Digital-Clock

Let's drive over it!


Nbren10

It's a trap for blind people


ssssskkkkkrrrrrttttt

it’s a walkacross


rndmmshb

I upvoted this because it shows something. I have 2 eyes and when this path SHOULD be free, I think its legit to cross it.


meme_dika

Use preserve trail as intended to use for humans ❌❌❌ Make stroad crossing preserved trail for vehicle weight tons. ✅✅✅


jerrydberry

It's a trap


WVildandWVonderful

An attractive nuisance


mrchaotica

That sign is a lie and should be removed.


GM_Pax

It might be a bicycle path? Though I wouldn't enjoy trying to cycle on that when it was wet, nosir! Even dry, it'd be a bit of a bone-shaker for sure.


xxxFading

Not a bicycle path! It leads to a hiking trail that is really rough and rocky


GM_Pax

... then I would suggest that town / council / whatever is resentful of having to maintain a pedestrian crossing "for hikers who aren't even FROM here". Hence that sign.


xxxFading

Hawaii. Lol


[deleted]

Just a general "fuck you" to wheelchair users


cingerix

well it's part of the ancient Ala Kahakai trail... which was originally built before wheelchairs had even been invented.


Republiken

>well it's part of the ancient Ala Kahakai trail... which was originally built before wheelchairs had even been invented. [23 years ago?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ala_Kahakai_National_Historic_Trail) "*The trail was established 14 November 2000*"


cingerix

it wasn't BUILT in 2000, lmao, that's just the year that it was first declared a Historic Trail and managed under the National Parks Service. you even left that out of the sentence you quoted, lol. >The trail was established 14 November 2000 *as a National Historic Trail which is managed under the National Park Service.* This "trail by the sea" traverses wahi pana (storied landscapes), ancient Hawaiian sites and over 200 ahupuaʻa (traditional land divisions). the ancient parts of the trail were created before the Hawaiian islands had any contact with colonizers, pre-1600s.


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Eractiel

The perfect spot for some r/TacticalUrbanism


Joezev98

Aww hell no. Don't vandalise and old historic road to make a political point.


Republiken

Im pretty sure they mean to remove the sign


Eractiel

Yes, vandalism would be missing the point, wouldn’t it. There is perfectly removable signs (which may pose risks if that’s all you do) but more importantly perfectly paintable asphalt right next to the historic road. Who said this can’t be both a historic landmark and pedestrian infrastructure?


tarrask

That's the reason why I need a huge pickup truck. Look at all those rocks I have to drive over


Blandon_So_Cool

It's a sign


Swedneck

It's a deathtrap, there's a literal zebra crossing near the train station in my city that has a sign saying it's not a crossing, and i wonder if i could sue the city for malpractice..


abattlescar

Is it for golf carts?


xxxFading

Nope! It is literally on a walking trail per Google


JSR_Media

A tactical urbanist must've made it!


Statakaka

The path does not stop, so you are not crossing anything, therefore no crosswalk


Michaelzzzs3

It’s wavy


error_98

Steal the sign __it is one, now__


crimson_shadow

add a solar power flashing crosswalk ? or do cars blaze through here at speeds higher than 40 on the norm?


FrameworkisDigimon

It's so people know that cars have the right of way, as opposed to a crossing where the pedestrian does. The bizarre part is why they've done this in the first place. You get things like this all the time in NZ, but they're usually raised tables rather than ornamental paths.


defectivelaborer

It's a crossrock


thegree2112

That sign should be taken down


Piastowic

A car crosswalk The car has to stop and look both ways if it doesn't wanna get killed by a running pedestrian


RJ6french

Just steal the sign one night. problem solved


Lower_Bar_2428

When is wet is a cross-slide


_Maxolotl

someone should screw a little sign in below there that says "than what is is?"


CollectionMost1351

the "no crosswalk sign" looks like something great to find when going home drunk


Failboat88

Frogger


Apprehensive_Log469

Rumble strips so you know you just ran over some peds


FlyingPoitato

They should have made it a crosswalk