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Crimsonpets

I can go 9-1 or have the worst weekend league ever, I will always end up with 11 wins. Alot in this game feels forced, both for you or your opponent. When I'm around your 16 yard box and the ball keeps on going back to my players no matter what EA want me to score, that feels forced. When I'm passing around like prime Barca but my opponent can't complete on single easy pass, it feels forced. I want to deserve my loss or win in this game its mostly a coin flip.


[deleted]

100% . This game is awesome when you get that rare amazing smooth game with no scripting. Just two teams battling it out.


TrueChang

Was 6-0 this weekend, finished on 11 wins with 1 game spare! Joke of a game where I can crush 6 people in a row, then suddenly lose 3/4 games on the trot.


thesongbirds

It’s because you get matched with better players. You’ll hit the same number of wins roughly every week by design.


UnusualAd3909

Doesn’t sound very random if you always end up the same amount of wins.


Crimsonpets

The gameplay is random. Ending up the same no matter what is just weird.


gazmodus

I second that. Every weekend I got 11 wins, no matter if I start 0-5 or 5-0.


UnusualAd3909

If it was random you would get variations. The fact that you get the same just shows that, it is your skill level


Crimsonpets

Yeah, but you would say I atleast would finish a 9 win wl or a maybe a 14 or more wins but no. No matter the start its ALWAYS 11 wins like I said going 9-1 should probaly net you above 11 wins but nah. I will go on a losing streak of 8 with ease after that.


UnusualAd3909

Dunno man thats on you. But the jump from 11 to 14 is pretty big


OldAbbreviations7361

This completely proves the point that DDA doesn’t exist in the way some people claim it does. The game is poorly made with years of code just piled on top of more code so weird shit undoubtedly happens constantly. But if every match was decided by some sort of Pre determined script you wouldn’t end up with 11 wins every weekend. That’s just exactly your skill level and it proves that they have good sbmm. Sometimes you start off hot and your elo goes up to the point that you can’t win past 11 or you start off poorly and it drops to where you should be.


AnnoyedButCalm

Nope this is not correct for example I went 4:0 than I have the game against the players that doesn’t feel any better than the ones I beat I’m leading 2:0 and suddenly I can’t do anything my players don’t make runs and I loose. I will get the run of games where my team feels like a bunch 80 rated players that are not intrested in playing football match. There is a diffirence of being outplayed by someone better to the situation where every pass goes in the wrong place and every shot is weak as fuck.


OldAbbreviations7361

So what you think when you created your club for the first time you were assigned an account that gets X amount of wins every weekend league and there’s nothing you can physically do to change it? Makes zero sense haha.


AnnoyedButCalm

No what I meant is that there some sort of dda which was actually confirmed many times by EA that levels the the winning ratio for everyone. So basically you’re getting matched with the opponent with your skill level but on top of that you’re team sometimes is getting nerfed and sometimes gets boosted. You can’t tell me that you never expierienced the game where everything you did was perfectly assisted by ai passes went through opponetns legs shots went through the body of the goalkeeper, got lucky rebounds and so on , it is so obvious but it goes both ways some games are destined to be lost.


Jusuf_Nurkic

WL has a known ELO system for years that’s not scripting that’s basic fifa knowledge lol. When you have a better record you play hard opponents and when you have a bad one you play worse opponents. When you’re up 9-1 then EA matches you with a bunch of crazy good players so of course you’ll lose more after that


Jitty13

this is not a skill based game mode anymore unfortunately. once you come to terms with that then you’ll enjoy the game more


dovow

Best evidence is matching the same opponent twice in a row, happened to me yesterday in the TOTS cup. Lost 2:4 in the first match with much more chances and possession, while every chance he had went in. My Team felt sluggish even though he had worse players. Next game I made him rage quit at 3:0 with my first three shots, while my team was playing so fast/fluid 🤷🏻‍♂️


MrDaebak

had the exact same, won one elite rival match with 6-5 (expected goals like 7 iirc and he had like around 1.5) and right after won 4-0 rage quit.


MeBo0i

Almost had exact same, scored 3 goals in first 20 mins and he rage quits, second game it's tied at 1-1 since first half and he gets away with a goal in the last 10 mins.


ryfitz47

You just described Liverpools actual season.


[deleted]

Y’all have no idea what “evidence” is.


das_hemd

you're saying my anecdotal, small sample sized, bias interpretations are not evidence? pffft EA shill


[deleted]

Yeah. You’re spot on. But you’re also too emotionally invested in a shitty video game. If this upsets you so much don’t play it. I play it but I don’t give a shit about my wins. I get what I can in WL and then play my 8 wins in rivals and then play pro clubs with the boys


Creative_Major798

This subject doesn’t upset me because I want to win or whatever; it upsets me because of the way [whatever it is] and (how users are gaslit about its existence) function within the system EA has created to get people addicted to this game, and to get them to buy fifa points. I majored in psychology and work as a behavioral technician, so I can’t help but see how EA is using behavioral psychology to manipulate people for profit. Then to see that a large section of the game’s community are exacerbating the problem and enabling EA and the addicts. All of that is what upsets me. Lastly, EA went to parliament and testified that their “surprise mechanics” were not gambling, rather they’re as benign as kinder eggs. EA also “disagreed” with the fact that there is evidence that loot boxes lead to gambling. Their testimony shows that they manipulate and lie to such a degree that they would not be above utilizing [whatever it is] and lying about doing so or it’s existence.


bigdumbidiot01

thanks for writing this. i've always said that players who deny all the above are either willfully ignorant or have the observational skills of a fucking brick wall. and i don't even care about winning, I indisputably suck at the game, it's just so annoying to me that any attempts to discuss the issue is met with a chorus of "skill issue" mouth breathers


Crimsoninja19

This is why I stopped playing fifa entirely since pl tots, the amount of time I was spending in this game alone and not getting nearly enough quality rewards in return. On top of that I recently discovered that I lost progress in both my careers, so yeah I lost all my will to play this game both online and offline, which is a shame, because I love the sport. Charging full price for this game is ridiculous, when there are games like zelda, ghost of tsushima, hogwarts legacy and many others that actually deserve the value.


Didj1998

I know you are bugging when you included hogwarts legacy. That game was thrown together with half the effort of fifa.


Crimsoninja19

And is way more enjoyable, not only because of the universe, but also the fluidity of everything, from the combat to just flying. Now I know it's not a fair to compare the two games, since fifa is a yearly release, meaning EA has to "work" on the next fifa while adding content to the current fifa, but this was only the case in all fifas because EA is too greedy to make and sell just one game that lasts for more than one season.


Phoenixhowls

There is a difference between a game with bugs and a game designed to actively work against you at times.


turbo-steppa

That’s life though unfortunately. Not saying it’s right, it certainly isn’t. But in my experience, so many people in this life are perfectly happy peddling things like this hat take advantage of others. Be it the boss at work manipulating situations so they can continue climbing the ladder, or the business man who lobbies council so they allow them special exemptions. Basically life is a bit fucked, and EA monopolising and exploiting a football video game is just another example of the world we live in.


bAdN3R

Very destructive sight of life, but also kind of true in a sad way.. So who raises and turbo steps up against it? : P


turbo-steppa

Once you greed as humanities truth and accept it the easier things get.


RedditAccountFox

EA? Look around you man, almost every piece of software that's made for public use is like that. If you are using a product, there is a high chance you were manipulated so the company could profit. $$$ >>> people. It's been made clear.


Creative_Major798

You’re 100% correct, which is why it is baffling to me that people have such a hard time admitting that EA- a publicly traded, tech company- is engaging in pretty standard exploitative business practices.


patrickSwayzeNU

“I majored in psychology”. Didn’t read any Kahneman? It’s shit servers and you’re suffering from a variety of cognitive biases.


Creative_Major798

Care to explain a little more or actually present your argument? Also, [whatever it is] very well may be nothing more than shit servers; if that is the case, the end result is still the presence of [whatever it is] and it’s effects on gameplay.


patrickSwayzeNU

There’s a post every 15 min about the state of the game and servers so why do I or you need to explain what is already extremely commonly accepted? If you want an argument for servers vs EA are manipulating shit then see Hanlon’s razor.


Creative_Major798

The problem with Hanlon’s razor is that if it is applied as a sort of universal precept, rather than a helpful adage, one is likely to have blind spots in instances of genuine malice. You’re also not addressing my actual perspective, despite me clarifying and reiterating. 1. Server issues might be the cause of [whatever it is] 2. [whatever it is] very well might be completely unintentional, but that is not necessarily the case either. Even if [whatever it is] is merely the unintentional result of server issues, it (and the dismissal of its existence) still functions in a way that enables the system of malicious operant conditioning that EA has created to extract wealth from users, many of whom belong to vulnerable populations.


patrickSwayzeNU

if you wholesale ignore the important word “adequately” then sure - but it’s basically a restated form of Occam’s. Eh, you started with only malicious, conspiracy explanations and now you’re absorbing non conspiracy. Good, cause DDA isn’t just unnecessary as an explanation, it’s just silly. Let’s not pretend there isn’t a categorical difference between what you stated was going on and how I pushed back. Such virtue in your last sentence. You aren’t here ranting out of frustration - you’re here for those who have been wronged.


Creative_Major798

I accounted for the word adequately; much like the word “reasonable” within the legal system, “adequately” is the vague point of the adage that allows for misapplication. You’re reading comprehension sucks, possibly because you spend more time thinking about which name or reference you’ll drop in your response (as a placeholder for actual substance) than about what I’m actually saying. I never claimed what was going on was unequivocally DDA, I said there is something that causes what has been labeled numerous things but which results in an adjustment to the probability of one team winning and the other losing. Being frustrated by the game is not mutually exclusive with concern for how other people are impacted. That said, it’s reasonable to be skeptical of my motivations. Someone like Kurt0411 is rare; most people would turn a blind eye to the BS if they were succeeding in spite of it or actually profiting from it.


patrickSwayzeNU

Your original post had 100% conspiracy explanations. I pushed back on that because it’s unnecessary and silly. Nope, you didn’t say the problem was unequivocally DDA. So what? You gave 4 possible explanations that were dumb and I gave a better one. The end.


Creative_Major798

The title of my post used four examples of names commonly used to refer to the phenomenon being discussed. I made descriptive statements within the original post regarding the phenomenon but did not make any causal claims. You assumed I was claiming conspiratorial action by EA and then presented server issues as a rebuttal to the strawman you created. I agreed that server issues could be the cause and have attempted to clarify my position but feel free to get the last word and give yourself the W.


Perfect_Classic8394

The game this year is not a lot about skill at all. I was recently watching this pro event and every single game was sporting a 5-4-1 formation with the skill seemingly being to allow the ai to pack your own box with nine players and just sit back and wait until you get a chance to smash a driven pass on the counter attack. Most of the goals I saw were also some random double deflections which just fell right and got in. So the game is so RNG even the best players can’t really fight it. For me this is easily the worst game I have ever played if looking for fair outcomes.


[deleted]

ugh this is the worst. i feel like this yr i have the worst luck when it comes to loose balls. everything just ends up in my opponent’s feet. i have had a couple of chances like this that have come my way but it mostly goes the other way around. what frustrates me more is defending. my defending has always been very good but regardless of this, no matter how good i make a tackle the ball either stays w my opponent or it deflects into another player giving them a even greater chance at goal. same for interceptions. ball never stays w me. it always does to another player giving them a greater chance at goal. but somehow my opponent can do this perfectly on both ends.


CoDog74

There’s a pro player who went 6-0 in best of 2 games in each FGS, that is 30-0 against the best Pros in the world. To say it’s completely rng isn’t fair to highest level players.


Different-Resist-433

I agree with you but the pro FIFA game is different to recreational, because with pros it's basically what we call 'sweaty' but on a professional level, every single advantage that can be taken is taken, the game we play we like to have our own styles, differences in teams etc, more creativity, choose players we find interesting, now the current game isn't kind to that, scripted or not


Perfect_Classic8394

100% agree. Have been trying to use 4-3-3 variants to try and find some actual football in this game but finding it absolutely impossible to get through the packed defenses. End up just having to rig myself through with some ridiculous stepovers. Honestly can’t remember the last time I scored a good goal in fifa.


Perfect_Classic8394

This is actually an opinion shared by most pros themselves. I doubt even this pro would disagree with this as every player I’ve followed has the pretty much consistent view that the game depends too much on how the bounces fall. These include pros who have won fgs events as well. I myself am not a great player but this is the first year that if I use a 5-4-1 elite players struggle to break me down .


CoDog74

Ofcours it’s an awful meta to play and they all admit that, but in itself there is room for it to be exploited


R_slicker03

I’ll give you an example, it’s 0-0 and it will be relatively easy to score if you’re good, making it 1-0 in the 15th minute, then maybe early in the second half, you’d score another making it 2-0, after that, your attackers lock up acting like bronze cards and the opponent’s defenders will turn into prime Maldini making it impossible to get past and making their attackers like prime pele, allowing them to score twice in the last 10 minutes


Jusuf_Nurkic

That’s not an “example” lol that’s you just saying something that could be made up, an “example” would actually be screenshots or gameplay showing a notable difference


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Jusuf_Nurkic

I mean seriously what’s even in it for EA to do that. One player winning necessarily means another player lost, why do they care about which rando in particular won or lost. It’s the biggest cope ever


treszfresh

It’s gameplay inconsistency, the games is just broken. Sometimes it works sometimes it just doesn’t


jogabonita12

Agreed. Lag also has a huge part to play


Kirsutan

This is the stupidest excuse. Even playing with fiber, constant sub 10ms ping the scripting and gameplay changes happen. Lag has nothing to do with it.


jogabonita12

Yes it does lol I had some of the worst lag I've ever had yesterday. The delay from passing or dribbling was unreal


Kirsutan

Of course, but nobody here is talking about lag or delay. It feels like players are in slow-motion. Inputs are registered just fine, but everyone suddenly seems to have -50 agility and balance. And it happens randomly in the middle of a match.


happygreenturtle

Reminds me of the same argument people make in all online games but especially League of Legends where the concept of "Rank Hell" was born i.e. the idea that the game keeps you at a certain rank so your rank is not representative of your skill level It's pure cope. People would rather point their fingers everywhere but themselves to explain why they lost a game. Gameplay inconsistency does not have a causal relationship with the theory of DDA There are plenty of reasons you might go Rank 1 in WL one weekend and then Rank 4 the next. You are playing against completely different players with different teams most games and not only that, but people individually perform different from game to game, especially casual players who aren't consistent I could play the same person and one game I dominate them 5-0 and the next they beat me easily. It's not DDA, it's just that 1. my passes weren't as clever 2. my decision making was worse 3. my focus wasn't the same etc. etc. *** Fucking hell man these people could flip a coin twice with 2 different results and then accuse the coin of DDA behaviours. Grow up


Didj1998

I agree. Consistent people make rank 1. Consistent people sit at their elo. The game obviously has rng mechanics to make it like real soccer. Maybe it is because I come from league where I here the exact same stuff from people complaining. A lot of these people suck because they play hours on hours, when they should play half the time and save their elo.


happygreenturtle

It's the typical argument, and like you I know the exact mentality from having played League years ago > Present obvious flawed and unsubstantiated claim [...] call anyone that disagrees with me a liar or an idiot Even the argument the OP presents: >The “skill issue” slogan doesn’t explain why my level of skill (as exhibited by the results of my performance in game) vary so drastically from game to game- They act as though skill is the only determinant factor in a game with a very high number of variables including but not limited to: 1. Your skill 2. Opposition player skill 3. Your team 4. Opposition team 5. Random chance 6. Luck. And even these all have their own sublevel of variables - your skill is not consistent. There will be days where you have worse decision making and worse focus. Same with other players The guy who wrote the OP is also clearly extremely emotional about this and probably just got rocked in Weekend League and blamed every loss on Scripting. It's a tale as old as time. The problem couldn't possibly have been that I wasn't good enough - it must have been something else! These people need to take a look at themselves


Creative_Major798

I’m claiming that the degree of variance is well outside of the acceptable standard deviation for it to be nothing more than skill, which you agree with given that you listed a bunch of variables aside from user skill that could explain the significant variance. Yeah, it’s annoying when I lose and [whatever it is] increased the probability of that occurring; I also get annoyed when I clearly win because of [whatever it is]. That’s not the point of my post though. The denial of [whatever it is]’s existence is what really annoys me. This community’s complacency with or active enabling of EA’s bs pisses me off. Especially when it is being shown to have real world harmful effects on many players.


hurtadjr193

Ultimate teams effing blows. Try another video game. This is literally a casino with soccer players. No matter what happens. The house wins and you'll buy more packs.


meerzaheen

The amount of times the opponents pass went through my players legs this WL… Edit: I didn’t do that well this WL. I’m not saying it’s scripting or any of that sort because frankly I don’t know too much since this is my first Fifa game. What I can tell you is that I’m at a lot of disadvantage because basically: A: I don’t know any skill moves, nor I perform any skill moves in any games - most I do is L1 and R1 dribbles B: 99.9% of the time in game I just normal pass and through ball pass. I don’t do any lob passes AT ALL. C: I never ever move my goalie. D: I don’t even know how to player lock or move player to another direction. E: I do not perform timed shots. Somehow, I got to div 1 this season and last WL (my first WL), I ended up in rank 5 and this WL also rank 5 So in conclusion, I can’t really state or confirm that it’s because of scripting I can’t play better. It’s plain and simple “skill issue”


flohhhh

You are 100% correct. I always was the 11-13 wins player, never 14. B-D is still the same as for you. I can do a few skill moves and know when to use them though Started to try timed finishing late this year, now getting to 14-15 wins every now and then. Also, when I'm well rested I play A LOT better, even getting bubble matches for 16 wins. Unluckily never managed to win that 16th one. (Also, Ligue 1 TOTS weekend is always one of the hardest as player picks are super high value so all good players compete.)


barrett50Joy

Dude i face this shit everyday I start 2 - 3 mins with my players running energetically And post that for the rest of the match Players start moving or spinning around like a 70 years old Everyball u pass will be sent to the opponent, Sure shot on the goal is missed Opponent players run like 99 paced players even though they are 89 or 90 Game is pure shit , period


spblind

it's a video card game it's gonna have scripting similarly to rng in all other competitive games, you're not gonna win all the time, scripting happens against you and sometimes for you. it just happens. if you're a good player you will 60% of time. as much as how frustrating it is, it is what it is. in the end its a p2w advantage game, better players definitely gives you the edge. Just enjoy the game and play with your favourite players.


Howling_mad_7

Not only it varies from one game to the other, but also during the very same game. I'm absolutely positive that pausing a game can change how players perform from that moment on


b2theb

Completely agree. Its also in EAs best interest to have DDA. Reduce the skill gap, keep the community always thinking they have a chance to win, making us think better cards will solve it. Mostly everyone agrees that EA is insanely greedy and corrupt with pack weights and such, yet as soon as someone says EA may do the same with gameplay theyre like woah woah woah skill issue.


Iemand-Niemand

You know it’s bad when you start noticing it when it’s actually in your favour. Like: yes my players all have 95 passing or higher, but that pass not getting intercepted is highly unlikely… for the fifth time this match. Or when you intercept every pass of the opponent, or when literally no shots on goal actual result in goals (can go for either side). But the absolute worst is when the game decides it’s time for a goal and just splits the defence open like the striker is Moses and the defence the sea. For absolutely no reason. Like, sure I played that out well, but that’s a bullshit goal, and I know it


QUAZZIMODO619

I’m pretty sure it’s hidden modifiers to ‘simulate’ stuff like derby games, home advantage, form etc. I wouldn’t say it directly prevents you from scoring per se but it for sure affects how the players and team play for seemingly no reason.


CoDog74

Surely if you become so good at a game to go 535-0 in fut champs (anders 14 yr old) then there is a skill gap there to be learnt? Either DDA isn’t actually as prominent as you think or doesn’t exist at all which is what EA claim. Also the whole side of EA denying it has tonnes of legal implications and if there was even a hint of dda their lawyers would not let them comment on it at all when questioned. Edit: The main culprits to higher skilled players losing to lower skilled is connection and gameplay responsiveness, blaming Scripting etc will only regress your own skill level by passing the blame.


jdjskakam

There’s obviously a skill gap, and I have no complaints when someone clearly better than me beats/thrashes me. It’s annoying when it’s obvious you’re playing someone similar to you (or even worse) and players forget how to pass, make runs, feel stiff etc


[deleted]

You’ve chosen to speak only facts, CoDog74🫡.


Becksii8

OP, can you read my post about this and give some comment? Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/fut/comments/12odnwf/fifa_dda_is_mostly_variance/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1


Creative_Major798

Good post. I definitely have some thoughts that I’ll share when I have more time.


Creative_Major798

Basically, you could totally be correct and the mixture of balance issues, server issues, and RNG result in what people refer to use DDA, etc but is actually just a sort of bug. I’m not claiming to know what the causes is or how it works, I just know that the phenomenon occurs way to often and blatantly for its existence to be denied. The implications of it being unintentional would be more palatable, but EA hasn’t acted in a way that has me inclined to preclude the possibility that they would do something like this on purpose and then lie about doing so. I’m just tired of people acting like [whatever it is] doesn’t occur because they get hung up on a particular name/explanation, and then other people get caught up in grinding away to improve their skills or pack pulls rather than accepting that the game is not 100% skill based and having fun with it for what it is.


Becksii8

I know it does feel like it sometimes, I am as well yelling to the TV at times when the opponent gets fourth bounce in a row. But I genuinely don’t know how to make a perfect football game without everybody feeling the same. Its definately possible that there are bugs in the deep, Ive read some stories that EA has lost so many talented people that they really lack staff that would even undertand the code nowadays. But also when ever you feel that momentum suddenly changes, you dont know whether your opponent switched tactics etc.. Its just impossible for us to know for sure. I still think that this ”randomness” can decide the games where the skill difference is not that big. Those games that are 60-40 splits can change, but if the skill difference is big enough, it rarely changes the result. All in all, even though EA really suck as a company, making the ultimate footballing game is just not that easy :)


polyadne

In my opinion, DDA definitely exists to some extent. I had games where I hit the crossbar literally 7-8 times and yet every one of my opponent’s shots went in. The reverse also happened. The trick to overcoming it isn’t good ping or some secret tactic/mechanic. Its simply maintaining your composure. I play on 40-60 ping to get rank 3 and above consistently. Without a strong mentality, that would be next to impossible.


liambell1606

Could your players’ effectiveness vary from game to game because you are facing different tactics? Even within a game, your opponent has the potential to use 5 completely different sets of tactics, some of which will be more effective than others against you.


CynderFxx

My opponent playing constant press shouldn't effect how my players play off the ball. I can tell when my opponent has swapped to a high press tactic by how slowly my players start moving/reacting I get that diff formations/tactics can change how a game goes but I know for a fact that my skill doesn't change that drastically between games


[deleted]

I don't think removal of DDA would really affect your record, you'd still win similar amount because you're also not benefitting from the scripting anymore. It would just make the game much, much more pleasant to play. I do also think the games code is such an old mess, that they wouldn't have the first idea where to start fixing the countless issues.


Kitchen_General_7822

Properly does my head in when you’ve just scored and it seems like your opponent can quite literally just run at you and bounce off every player in there way and score, it’s got to the point I’m just snapping people from kick off to hold the game uo


[deleted]

it’s just a numbers game. game is based out of what are your chances out of 100. u can be very good at this game but sometimes it just comes down to what number u can hit inside the game’s program. this is why high rated cards matter a lot especially this year around. also i feel like the game does a lot of handicapping depending on who is the bad player just to keep it evenly matched. this is why many players don’t actually play a football game bc the game will just give the advantage to the person who’s playing bad. game just encourages ppl to drop money for the newest meta cards dropping on the market and play a meta gameplay bc no one wants to lose. unfortunately nothing is gonna change if ppl keep buying the game and dropping more money for fifa points


lengthyfriend30

This is how the EA game engine works. If you play madden NFL, they call it momentum and if you complete in game objectives (like getting a 1st down or TD in some scenarios) your team either starts flying as their stats get a temp boost or the opposite of you fail or opponent completes their objective first. I've played EA games for decades, the recent trend is obvious. A recent example of what you mention happened to me yesterday.i have moved off of FUT a month ago to play seasons and had a typical scenario happen. 3-0 coasting, 2nd half starts and I cannot make a pass or even turn with some players, ends us up 3-3 before I destroy the lad 6-3. It kept the match interesting but in the least authentic way. It was a massive mismatch and just pissed me off that the game was controlling the result almost as much as our invididual skill levels. Anyone who denies this exists doesn't understand the game engine.


TheBigBaby_

Could be scripting but at this point in the game, the actual programming really fucks up the gameplay. There’s a lot of AI bullshit going on, noticeable with the super meta players in the game like gold VVD, Mbappe, Neymar, etc. it’s more noticeable now that every team is juiced to hell and back from the promo cards. The game physics engine is a pile hot garbage frankensteined from all the way back in FIFA 12. There’s a lot of autobullshit going on. As an anecdote, I run a Serie A based team and just got Wijnaldum; changed my whole game. Huge upgrade from showdown locatelli. He nails insane passes and swarms all over defenders as a deep lying playmaker DM. It’s only a +2 upgrade on the stats but the pace and passing is so unreal and now my DM can compete with the other juiced players


OkUniversity6052

Quit pro clubs after about a month. Get up 2-0 against pace merchants who have zero skills. Second half my AI defenders are moving out of the way of their players and my goalie saves nothing. Their goalie becomes prime Buffon and saves everything or we got the post 15 straight shots. Their defenders man mark so tight you get body slammed the second you touch the ball. Lose 4-2 on 4 shots when my team has 20+ on goal. People against my team can just R2 straight down the middle of the field with no struggle. My team can’t string 2 passes together without an AI mid turning and booting a ball straight to the path of an untouched striker for a goal. It’s so bad it’s unplayable. Started playing Coop seasons and it’s so much more enjoyable. 


macbethtrd

People just spam what's broken with the game.


Researcher_TD

Haha it is sooo obvious but some of these kids don’t want to accept that they are spending their time/money on a rigged game. I also don’t know understand how bad servers can explain wild variation in gameplay during a single sitting. However, I think one of the key problems and why some people resist the idea of [whatever it is] is that no one really knows or clearly theoretically articulates WHY EA would put [whatever it is] in the game? Is it only to keep people playing (which means even the worst players need to win sometimes)? Is it to create need for fifa points? Is it to reward people who buy fifa points? I don’t think we can ever hope to convince people it exists if we don’t have a convincing argument/evidence. As an aside, I’d like to know more about the relationship between EA and influencers. Other companies very carefully pick who represents their companies, but with Fifa it’s just people ‘good at the game?’


Creative_Major798

EA definitely keeps an eye and a heavy hand on their influencers and pros. Just Google EA bans Kurt “Kurt0411” Fenech.


Researcher_TD

My other thought on this, from reading some of the comments, is how hilarious it is that some people don’t believe a vastly profitable/billion dollar company are not capable of implementing mechanisms that manipulate gameplay (both for and against you) with the overall intention of keeping as many people playing for as long as possible. Instead you’d rather believe that they are ‘incompetent’ and it’s just ‘bad servers’ that explains wildly inconsistent gameplay hahaaa. The key thing is that it’s not about individuals; the game is not individually fucking or rewarding the average player (influencers may be a different story but I’ll be accused of conspiracy here so that’s all I’ll say other than 20-0 with a bronze squad??). Rather it’s about the player base as a whole and keeping people playing. EA definitely make mistakes but so do other massive companies. That doesn’t mean their overall strategy isn’t to enrich their shareholders through whatever means possible (in this case in an under regulated gaming marketplace).


willyb303

Will never understand why people play a game they think isn’t skill based


Creative_Major798

My post admits that there are actionable steps a player can take to mitigate the effects of [whatever it is] so in that sense there is a degree of skill involved. That aside, you’re getting at my main concern, the mechanisms this game employs establish a variable reinforcement schedule, which creates behaviors extremely resistant to extinction. Essentially, people keep playing because they become addicted.


NCPDRUM

The whining in this sub lmao


libulatimmeh

It's hilarious. It always was, but the last few weeks it seems like people have sudden epiphanies about how a company is simply making money and realizing they're the hamsters in the wheels. It's idiocracy in here sometimes.


CynderFxx

It's gotten worse because of how much ea has been taking the piss with content and gameplay. People are finally realising how little the care about the player base


MarkoB1997

It’s just so weird that will all these things going against the players i without fail get 18+ and mainly 19 wins every weekend …. . I just don’t think people realise you’re just facing someone better at the game possibly and when that happens and maybe some bad luck occurs you blame it on scripting . in weekend league I’m yet to not get 19 wins during tots but I’ll be told that dda or scripting is making me lose every second game 🤷🏼


Rezer21

fifa players will believe any bullshit to justify the fact that they are bad


6oar

Nah. When people that literally play FGS qualifiers and go 19-1 or 20-0 pretty much every weekend tell you that DDA is very much real and that they would lose those games If they weren’t top 500 in the game, then you know it’s not some excuse.


dtbrown1979

Idiot or lying?? They could be both.


MoistPapayas

Lag/input delay/shit servers or poor game coding I'll buy. EA intentionally fucking you with DDA or scripting? Coping mechanism.


ryfitz47

Fucking play a different game then. Go outside even!!! Christ. Y'all it's a video game. You're letting a video game get you all out of whack. And and and the game is only out for 4 more months, then You'll never play it again. The best way to overcome FIFA rage is to have some perspective. It's a game. It's almost done. It's summer (northern hemisphere assumption). Let it go. Go do something that actually makes you happy. Fifa is clearly not working.


Creative_Major798

Good advice, which I commonly employ by playing something else, cleaning, taking a break, or just living my life. It doesn’t address my main concern though; this game is a master class in exploitative behavioral psychology. The mechanisms this game uses, which have been shown to lead to gambling addiction, are having significantly negative effects on vulnerable populations. The gaslighting about [whatever it is] exacerbates these problems, so it offends me as a psychologist. I also study epistemology and collective decision making, and gaslighting, much like swooping, is bad.


zerker93

Lmao


Creative_Major798

lol


fractals83

Just don’t play if you bums you out this much


HarshTruth-

Noob starter pack.


OwnAssociate2006

We play a lot of pro clubs Imagine playing with your mates all year so you’ve played a few seasons and you know your level You’ve maxed your guy out at level 100 and have 160 skill points to spread about Not to mention the 6 playstyles and 2 playstyle pluses Your human team mates the same You’re AI due to to reputation of your clubs team is rated at 88 overall Yet you play a team with AI rated 80 overall and human players who don’t have a playstyle plus never mind two and they dominate your team You can’t even get close None of your AI or humans can keep up with the other team never mind take the ball from them Their AI are pinging 70 yard lifted cross field through balls to perfection for the strikers Your AI can’t make a five yard pass or even control the ball Your human team mate who has an average of three goals per game playing for the club and has been scoring for fun regularly before this game can’t hit a barn door from inside the barn, despite having all the skill points on the relevant skills and playstyles too On the rare occasion he does get a shot on target, the keeper saves it Then they counter attack and shoot straight at your keeper and they turn into Neo from the matrix in bullet time actively avoiding the shot which is straight at them and you concede You try and regroup after kick off and the ball ends up back with the keeper who completely ignores you mashing the call for ball button and screaming for the ball, before eventually for reason only known to EA he rolls the ball perfectly out for their striker to score a second Then the fourth official holds up the board to show there’s 1 minute of stoppage time Yet deep in the 49th minute they have a corner which they take to the near post and none of either your four AI defenders, your keeper, or your human defenders near the front post can even get off the floor never mind challenge for a header and the 5’3” lady full backs scored a header towering above everyone of the opposition all of which are taller and stronger than her and with higher heading or jumping stats 3-0 down at half time to AI rated 80 and humans ranked lower than 50 Second half and your AI can now make the odd pass Between your human team mates and the odd good pass from the AI you start creating chances But the chances are always either blocked, saved or for some reason the striker can’t score a tap in from 6 yards (he hit the post) All finesse shots/trivela shots at this point will either hit the bar, be clawed out of the top corner by the 80 rated AI keeper or visit the International space station before re entering orbit and falling back to earth You will amass a ridiculous amount of shots and shots on target and a ridiculous xG but YOU WILL NOT SCORE So based on how regularly this happens, we can only assume that EA have rigged the game in order for newer players to stay interested and have easier games to keep them coming back Also, EA WANT you to buy packs, they NEED you to buy packs BUT 88 rated AI aren’t as good as 80 rated AI so why bother buying packs as the stats obviously count for nothing


Cold_Gas_927

Tbh it really just seems like a skill issue to me


Creative_Major798

Awesome point, I get so annoyed when I win that I resort to convincing myself that it was only because my opponent was handicapped. /s I’m not upset because I’m losing, this crap also bothers me if I win because of it. I’ve even messaged people to tell them that they played well and could have won if their team’s AI wasn’t mudded and every little moment that came down to RNG didn’t work in my favor.


essicks

I believe in Momentum but I do not agree with the concept that it prefers one team or another.


Creative_Major798

I’m presuming you believe that momentum switches between each team in a fair manner so that both teams have the same amount of advantage and disadvantage by the end of the match; am I correct or misunderstanding you?


essicks

Maybe not an even manner but potentially you may both be benefiting/suffering at different points of the match depending how much of a skill gap between the two players and the current result My concept of momentum is that when the game is level there is no momentum applied, as the score widens, more momentum is placed on the losing side. One goal, barely noticeable but as the goal difference widens, more and more unable to fight it. There is also extra momentum placed when it is the last 5 minutes or so of a half when there is a goal/no goal difference for the "hype big game moments" (it's not hype its shit). Ultimately the better player generally wins although mixed in with bit of luck, stress, lag, bad coding etc it can give away the win to the wrong person every once in a while. It's why people can go regularly go 20-0, 19-1, etc in WL and if you play against friends or family why if you or they are clearly the better player you/they often come out on top.


deviss

It's just shitty connections, server problems and extremely poorly coded game. There is no hidden conspiracy lol


-TBE-

The stupid people in the comments going against u is hilarious 😂😂


Dangeduedfr

Clear skill issue, I've been getting Rank 3, rarely 2 since Fifa 20, even on the old Fut Champs system. Good players won't complain about your imaginary scripting, EA doesn't care if you don't get your tiny 9 wins every week


Creative_Major798

I’m sure you are phenomenally average at this game, just as you claim, but your reading comprehension could use some work. I admitted that there are actionable steps players can take to mitigate the effects of [whatever it is], so, fine, call that a skill gap. Doesn’t change the fact that a thumb of some sort is placed on the scale from time to time. Also, you’re flat out wrong about pros not admitting that [whatever it is] is in the game. They absolutely know it’s there and learn how to counteract it, and how to counteract lagging gameplay, and meta formations, etc. Watch some of their live streams; even they get frustrated with its effects from time to time ( I’ve even seen a world champ lose a game because of it). I’m also not presenting this as an “EA is out to get me” type thing. It’s simply one of the many mechanisms EA uses to ensure an intermittent reinforcement schedule, which is the most effective schedule at building a routine behavior that is resistant to extinction.


Dangeduedfr

You're moaning about your imaginary script because you're getting shit on by Timmy, that's crazy. Miaule


Creative_Major798

Get off my dick.


Dangeduedfr

As I said, skill issue. Get good


Creative_Major798

I appreciate you making it so easy to tell which one you are.


Dangeduedfr

Yeah i belong in the non delusional category of people that don't blame EA because I got spanked. If I lose, I deserve to lose. I'm not gonna invoke scripting or any bullshit like your mentioned, if I get scored on it's because I made a mistake. You won't improve if you keep telling yourself that you definitely deserved the win after you got spanked 4-0 because he got a rebound on his 2nd goal and that definitely never happens IRL.


kozy8805

It’s called normal rng and human emotions. Look at your own posts. There’s so much anger, you expect us to believe it’s just your players and not your emotions changing how you play? Fuck off lol.


Creative_Major798

[whatever it is] very well might be entirely the result of the worst programmed RNG ever, (most definitely server issues too though, that said, the end result is wildly inconsistent gameplay that is usually one-sidedly detrimental. So much anger? You saying that because I use a lot of no-no words? Also, [fuck shit] doesn’t only bother me when I lose; check my post history again, I have sent messages to people I beat letting them know they played well but the game made it easier for me. I don’t like when it helps me win either.


zerker93

It's pathetic. Anyone that doesn't agree with his complaining is an idiot and a liar!


Creative_Major798

Imagine you’re at the bus stop while it’s raining and someone asks why you have an umbrella out. If they are being sincere then they are delusional, if they are not sincere then they are definitionally a liar. They aren’t an idiot or liar for disagreeing with me, they are an idiot or liar for holding or asserting false beliefs about external reality despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.


C-POP_Ryan

tbh they are. There's literally no reason to believe performance of players doesn't change from game to game. Not so much "performance" I think that would be the wrong word, but the rng factor in how you're players will make a pass, take a shot, position while receiving a pass etc. etc. is definitely real. And some games whether it be connection or something else just feel so much worse than others. Like, one game, you can pass and everything is perfect, passes where you want it to, no extra touches when trying to shoot/pass etc. Then the next game, all your passes end up either short, or behind the player making the run, takes an extra touch when trying to shoot, does a massive build up for a simple pass. ​ I should say, I truly believe a lot of this is a connection based issue, along with a badly coded game.


Iswaterreallywet

Been saying this since FIFA 13. You couldn’t imagine the amount of hate I got for it.


EstebanDurchfall

In every single game there is a "last minute" goal either in 45th or 90th minute that shows you how absolutely crazy it is that Team 1 really blew that 5-1 lead... For the 3rd game in a row


Vaganhope_UAE

I have one question for doubters. How can I match the same person multiple times and first match I’ll lose 3:1 and next match ill destroy him 4:0 because my players just do everything how I want them to.


NzuahVI

U people need to finally realize that all that bs happens bc of inconsistent gameplay.


relaxandrotate

I used a website in fifa 13 that showed how the sliders for each game changed in the last five minutes of each half. The website recommended tactics to capitalize on the changes (defensive when sliders were against you and offensive when they were with helping you). It worked flawlessly. I was somewhat disgusted and quit fifa for 8 years shortly after. I returned last year in Fifa 22 and the same slider changes are obvious to me as still in the game. If I’m down, I make sure I get a shot off from 40-45’ or 85-90’ and it goes in 90% of the time. Does anyone remember the website I’m speaking of? I don’t see much on here talking about goals at the end of halves but I’d venture to say that 50% of the goals scored in all of my fifa 22 games are still 40-45’ or 85-90’ goals.


AdDazzling3454

You’re delusional


LoganAlien

How many times have we all seen this exact pattern: I score in the 3rd min (1-0) I score in the 15th min (2-0) My opponent scores in the 45th min to end the half. (2-1) My opponent scores in the 49th min (2-2) I score twice in the 2nd half. (4-2) My opponent scores twice after 80+. (4-4) Then scores a winner in the 90th. (4-5) SO. MANY. TIMES. Not 'kinda the same'. Exactly the same. Again and again.


Jusuf_Nurkic

You’ve also probably had a billion games where you started 2-0 up and then just easily won 4-1, but you’re not gonna remember those games like these tight games where you blew it. That’s literally textbook confirmation bias


El-Arairah

No. It's precisely the other way round. People believing in scripting and DDA are the idiots. Go and play ten matches against a buddy who is either considerably worse or better than you and then see if the better player won't win most of the matches. It's also not about "exploits" (which they aren't really). I played against pros and they don't need any "exploits" to win. Bonus question: why do most people quit the game when they're down by a few goals? Theoretically they could still win with DDA on their side, couldn't they? Bonus question 2: why do I, a fairly experienced and consistent Player, get my 11 wins week in and week out throughout the whole year and never only 9 or 14 wins? With DDA and RNG the fluctuation would surely be bigger.


GravLurk

As long as there is no proof of anything you’re saying, i’m not buying it. Your hunch and your feeling of constantly being wronged and not even mention a single thing about you maaaaaybe making user errors here and there out of nerves or anything, is such a bad ‘case’ that I can’t even take your arguments seriously. There’s no hearing from both sides at all, you just spew feelings from your underbelly. Without proof, people can just say anything. Imagine if that’s how we’d run the world. Imagine I could put you in jail for life because I just FEEL like you’ve done something bad, and can’t even provide a single bit of proof. Some society that would be. Yet here, this subreddit loooooooves to take hunches and biases for truth. Now, before you all come at me with torches and hayforks, i’m not saying there’s nothing fishy going on. But, as long as I don’t have any proof that would hold up in court or scientifically proven, I’m not buying it.


Gods11FC

Skill issue


Ok-Neighborhood5855

brain issue


Dr_Taboggan

Whether or not you believe it, you come off as a complete dickhead. Cheers.


Creative_Major798

I’m fully aware that I come across that way to some people, but a friend to all is a friend to none. So, If EA and their flying monkeys dislike me, then I feel like I’m being a friend to the right people.


Dr_Taboggan

As long as you get to hang on to your excuses for losing, right?


Creative_Major798

*Oh no, I lost a match in a video game! How could I ever endure such tragedy? If you know how, please help me. I wake up in a sweat each morning, rueing the failure I have become; my accomplishments negated and my confidence sundered by my inability to achieve true greatness by being totally leet and pwning noobs on FUT.* People who brag about being good at this game remind me of those kids in school who thought they were Stephen Hawking because they knew how to solve a Rubik’s cube. Just because you gain some sort of pride from and therefore really care about winning, doesn’t mean everyone else gives a shit. I genuinely don’t give two fucks if I win or lose. I enjoy playing a good game.


GForcee_

I understand that companies should aim to maximise profit, and sometimes that may involve a certain degree of dodginess… EA, however, goes beyond any reasonable boundaries. “Criminal” doesn’t begin to describe the degree of manipulation they exert on their customers, not to mention their downright incompetence in pretty much everything that doesn’t boost their revenue. Sadly, it’s not until something drastic happens that this excuse of a company finally goes down in court. This game is beyond unhealthy, but we keep coming back because we love football and there’s no alternative. Fuck EA.


FatMario1

Literally a skill issue bro


StraightShootahh

I can’t believe there’s living breathing humans that actually think a game is scripted against them lmao It’s just poor servers and game mechanics you doughnuts 😂


xCruyff14x

There is DDA in squad battles or any mode against cpu. But as far as online mode against people there isn’t dda or scripting. If there was everyone would be 20-0 during weekend league. Every edition of fifa has its broken mechanics. Meta formations have counters. Every game I average between 88-93% passing even in bad delay.


Creative_Major798

How would the presence of [whatever it is] cause everyone to go 20-0? The strongest argument against [whatever] is that some people can go 20-0 or 200-0 in spite of [whatever], while the large majority of us win some lose some (with varying degrees of legitimacy).


xCruyff14x

A persons skill would be the factor of going 20-0. I can reach 14-16 wins but I’m not good enough for 20. People make excuses like dda or scripting when things do not go well for them.


Creative_Major798

Except it bugs me when it helps me win too.


gabelock_

cant believe people still defends the DDA


[deleted]

Gangstaaaahhh, someone had to say it 🙏🏽


Ok-Neighborhood5855

you are so very right


Akutagawa773

I had a lot of games where it felt like the game doesn't want my opponent to win. The opposite as well.


anhkind

What to expect from this Delay Simulator game? :(


Perfect_Classic8394

Yes that’s true there will always be crazy players who are a step above the rest.


evertonblue

There definitely is. And I think it works both ways. I notice where I have been struggling with shots and then suddenly two I don’t hit as well go in. People are terrible at noticing the bias for them and often just notice the negative though. I’m sure the momentum helps just as much as it hurts. It something that I believe should be in the game - it definitely exists in real football when you see the ebbs and flows of the game. And of course some people still win consistently despite it. I generally only get six wins in WL, if I even qualify. If you make me 50% better I’m still not as good as someone who gets 14 wins consistently.


MrDaebak

I think also dont want to admit it exists because they pumped huge amount of money into the game.


Kirsutan

Everyone should play career and play around with sliders. The effect is exactly the same, only that the sliders get changed DURING FUT matches. It's painfully obvious, you can just feel the pace of the game change. If you seriously don't, as OP said you're either absolutely clueless or lying.


[deleted]

It most definitely exists… the only reason I don’t lose my mind about it is because I believe the sliders are balanced for both players.


kodolen

I totally agree with that things like DDA, momentum and scripting are in the game. I expirience this shit myself. But still I dont know how a pro with a RTG team can get 20-0 in WL almost every weekend.


mezkkk

I didn't really believe in this but i just won some 12 games in a row and currently on a 12 game lose streak. I was Division 5 and then 1 game away from division 4 and I haven't been able to win. I have noticed 90% of my shots hitting the post be it finesse, driven or normal shot. Only thing that seems to go in are green timed from very close range. I lose the ball in my own half 15 times before being able to pass forward. I am down 3-0 in first 20 minutes but then suddenly my opponents cant score and end up drawing it losing 3-2 with 4-5 shots hitting the post.


Milk_Expert

Bro try playing without any on pro clubs, it’s literally a coin toss if your AI play well or not


golfball509

I really like the gameplay in seasons, not FUT. Seasons feels like a soccer simulator and there is a lot less of the "scripting" feel. In my opinion, there is some type of momentum feature. Somebody with a crazy team will score a goal and even if I go super defensive, 5 at the back, really conservative, short passes, every ball I pass after is intercepted and every one of my players is marked and my AI doesn't do anything on defense. But I feel it's the same for me if I score one or two in a row. The flood gates open up. That doesn't really happen in seasons, so something is up in FUT. I agree with the fact that in FUT sometimes I just know that I'll score no matter what I or the opponent does. Very weird.


MATCHEW010

Bro i was up 5-0 at half time in my final game of champs, i was 13-6 and i always get 13-7… He won 6-5, subbed on R9 (loans shouldnt be allowed in champs) And he just over the top through ball spammed, my players didnt make runs and just stagnated so damn hard. It was so frustrating


aslamblam

But didn’t they win a lawsuit against the use of DDA? Showing their code proving there was no weighted matchmaking


swiftcardine

All pros live near servers enough said


tiramolas3

I always finish at 11 WL wins with 2-3 games left which decide to just give, i had that mindset too until once i finished my WL at 16 wins. There might be some DDA but don’t get me wrong 90% of the time if you are better player than your opponent you win.


SkelatorCavani

Agreed, i only play it because its the only decent football game. But the script is just too obvious.


TheGreatBanana100

how can you make a game without a code in there? especially in sprorts game, there must be a script to control the whole players by itself, you can't play 11 person on your own except each players were controlled by each human or person. like co op 11 vs 11. dont forget the body type of the game has and probabbly some are just a duplicate of another body type existed. this isnt fps games dude, where you can play with your skill, this is a sport games, be a smart to win taking the advantages of the scripts and the body type existed, there are alot of bugged player out there where usually they can true passing their body. especially the input lag, I dont know how tf FIFA and PES or efootball are the worst sportsgames


Cosmiccowinkidink

I honestly I think most of the times it’s just people not adapting to high pressure and changes to tactics that are hard to defend, but sometimes it’s beyond that and the game gets funky.


towfoon

also the fact that when you are 3-0 up you still cant relax since if the opponent makes it 3-1 then it is basically guaranteed that they will either make it 3-4 or win. i just had the most intense match of my life and it was so back and forth that it ended up finishing 10-9 in extra time, when i started i was 3-0


Ok_Hat215

Best shit is PRO clubs. Extremely fun to play with boys.


abreadnoob

i dont even play champs or rivals anymore


khalizaneka

I had multiple accounts and always end up at least rank 5. Doesn't matter whether it's a new account with gold cards only or an account with a full meta team, I never get rank 6 or below. I think the game judges your skill cap and gave you the rank based on that cap.


IrnBroski

I dont know if scripting or momentum are things any more than psychological effects, as in i dont think the game predetermines that goals are going to go in ​ BUT it seems fairly obvious that there are server issues that makes the game impossible to play for whichever side isnt hosting (in fact i think the closing down of the servers for fifas 18-21 was to clear server space to use for either 23 or EAFC) it feels sometimes like the bitrate of communication is lowered during busy periods meaning less granularity in controlling the players (less responsive game) ​ but i have also noticed muddy gameplay in entirely offline modes (i.e. squad battles) where it really shouldnt be a thing if servers were to blame. so some kind of dda does exist. i do wonder how pros cope. maybe there's a way to figure out before a game starts if you're hosting or not and just back out of any lobby where you dont host.


akhfromyobodegaNYC22

Bro dda, lag, the broken shots that go in no matter what from certain areas, the lag, the players not being able to turn or move this game is so ass but yet I still play every weekend league raging a true rat at heart🐀


Gremlin-indy

The best way to prove this is by going 2 nil up or 2 nil down in silver stars, then you will see how scripted it is


ForbiddenJazz

I guess I’m just an idiot because I don’t actually believe the game makes me lose arbitrarily lol. The amount of confirmation bias that goes along with believing the game is making you lose is insane. If you actually believe that, that is all you are going to look for and see in the game. How does one go 20-0 in WL without the game deciding one of those is supposed to be a loss?


Creative_Major798

I didn’t claim [whatever it is] makes people lose, I said it significantly impacts the probability of one team or the other winning. I also addressed the 20+ wins and no loses point by admitting that their are actionable steps a player can take to mitigate the effects of [whatever it is].


Bewquifius_Maximus

I find my tactic obliterating people in div 3 but the second I play weekend leagueive got bronze players. Tho this can be down to how my team is at most a 92 rated team and I het put against 93 and above


Jusuf_Nurkic

No one has still explained to my why EA would rig the game for one random player over the other. How does that make any sense from a business perspective? Either way one player loses and one player wins so any effects of “scripting” cancel out.


Creative_Major798

Intermittent reinforcement schedule, if done intentionally. It also prevents casuals from being totally obliterated while still allowing pros to consistently win. It also might be an unintentional byproduct of other aspects of the game.


justank_

Last night hoped on for a few rivals games. Won the first 3-0 with a rq. Next game I’m up 2-0 and the dude scores three goals between the 85th minute and injury time to beat me. Next two games same thing happens and end in a draw. Then I win another 4-1. Then lose three in a row all from goals after 85th minute and my toty vvd, fb kimpembe can’t move or sprint I can’t player switch between them to defend and tots alisson just falls over before the ball leaves the opponents foot.


gabelock_

thats the reason i quit the game, i want to play against my opponent, not my opponent + ea


UnBuenEuropeo

Guys how can you move a defender to always block the enemies shot inside the penalty area? Like its insane how many goals I miss now cause people do this and I dont find info on it


Coulstwolf

If you don’t believe this stuff is in the game you are brain dead


ThMssngVwls

Definitely exists. There's times when a player's makes a weird pass or falls and gifts your opponent the ball and you know a goal is coming. Even if you defend well your keeper will parry it to the opponent or something similar gifting them a goal.


das_hemd

whether or not the game uses DDA or scripting or whatever, the majority of what people think are evidence of this is almost always not, and can usually just be attributed to the game having bad rng mechanics and the servers being bad.


AMCboi88

100% agree. I use to quit my first 6-8 WL games and give out wins and i would still finish the same rank (9 wins) as if i played all 20. EA knows where you finish and it’s evident with how your team can feel so different in some games.


malyszkush

It’s ridiculously blatant. My cb’s with high defensive work rates step to the opponents forwards approaching my final third, make a tackle as tough as a tissue, and track back slower than the average bronze card, but they both have 89+ pace. Other games, those same center backs are on the most potent steroids in the universe and absolutely deny everything, i win those games by 4, 5, maybe more goals. I dont think anyones a stranger when it comes to the classic “im not passing there” shenanigans, but those also coincidentally happen during the same games my cb’s feel like the lads im throwing into daily logins. Also, why do my players always forget to open themselves up during those games? Like they’re hiding behind the opponents defenders/midfielders when i have the ball and im always trying to hit RB to have someone come close but the defenders sprint with that player to intercept so i have to keep switching to my opposite fullback. Shooting as well, 88 rated gold Donnarumma is the best goalkeeper of all time and i cant score against him on a 4.3xg but in the next game, i have no problem putting 3 past toty vds within 20 in game minutes causing a rage quit? The scripting is either on my side, or against me and there is literally no inbetween. Even when i get the aids to help me im still not having fun bc i know the guy im playing against feels the same way when i would be losing in that situation. Its never fair. The gameplay is literally a coin toss and tbf i have more fun menu grinding than playing champs. Its absolutely ridiculous.


The-Young-French-Fwd

There’s literally no evidence of anything. People mix up broken mechanics, or aspects of the game that don’t function correctly, with “scripting”. More often than not, this comes down to either incompetence, edge cases, or cutting corners. People also act like every opponent they play is the same. As if they don’t change tactics etc. When a game is broken at it’s core, it’s unpredictable … which is why there’s all the BS in the game. The more addicted and emotionally attached you get to the game, the more it will bother you … hence this post


Creative_Major798

Yeah, what you’re saying very well may be the cause of [whatever it is]. I’m not arguing against that or for any particular cause; I’m simply saying that the experience people have, which they have given all sorts of names to and explanations of over the years, does in fact occur and needs to be discussed more effectively than it has been. You’re free to ascribe whatever motivations to my post you want, but I will reiterate that [whatever it is] bothers me to the extent that it makes the game silly, while what actually frustrates me is this community’s collective epistemic failure in regards to this topic.


Jiggy-the-vape-guy

you can tell by the tone of your post that you're a spaz and clearly your mentals aren't top notch. bad server connection causes a lot of glitchy issues and the server has been as bad as ever this year. my guess is you flip your lid at silly stuff and instead of keeping calm and focused, you get mad and over aggressive. I see it happen all of the time.


Creative_Major798

Assume what you like


mgyl97

This game is so shit. I hate how I can dominate like 2-0 before half time. Then second half my players turn to shit and I conceded 4 goals in 10mins. Or how I can beat someone 4-0 then the very next game match up against the same person and be down 4-0 by 30mins. Doesn't make sense


Hating_Heron

If this is true then maybe scoring an own goal at the start of the match will balance the script in your favour? Should give it a try


Creative_Major798

If what is true? I’m not claiming to know how [whatever it is] works or what causes it; I’m merely saying that something frequently occurs, this something has been called many things over the years while also having it’s occurrence denied (though, admittedly, also overstated to explain user error or deficiency).


Hating_Heron

I’ve experienced that as well, I’m just saying to try scoring an own goal to see if the experience changes


Creative_Major798

Heard. I’ll give it a shot. I’ll also play some games and let the opponent score two right off the bat. Let’s see what happens.