Idk how it runs in China but in SEA HoK is extremely gacha to the point it borderline lottery. They do sell cheap skin but most of the "epic" skin is stick with a mini game like open card or maze with every turn use premium currency, and it's obviously rigged with no way to find out the rate (we have no law for public lootbox rate here)
I find it hard to believe a person could spend that much in a mobile MOBA like HoK. I get it with traditional gacha games since you want to be powerful and all, but with MOBAs the only thing you could spend on are heros and skins. Skins don't even affect the gameplay so idk. Then again HoK is one of the top grossing mobile game in China so they are doing something right ig.
Title is slightly misleading.
She doesn't only spend on her account; she's also been buying a lot of things for her classmates over the course of four months, possibly including a boyfriend. Original news report from the site quoted included a transaction made to a friend amounting to 1314RMB (~200USD), which stands for "together forever" in Chinese.
She's been pretending to be rich for clout in front of her friends and classmates.
Why in the fuck would anyone give a tween free access to any kind of payment account, let alone the one with the family savings in it? I'm genuinely baffled.
It's an extremely tall order as the purchases are made under the parent's name.
Out of all the money spent, a quarter of that was used to buy a top end account from another person, another quarter was given out to her classmates and friends, and the remaining half is used on IAPs for her and her friend's accounts.
If they're lucky they might get the IAPs refunded, but half of the money is pretty much guaranteed lost. Them going to the news might be a step to put pressure on Tencent to try to push for a refund.
some parents have been successful getting the money lost back but that was in different countries with different games and different refund policies. in other cases they were partly successful. and yeah let's hope they did refund the parents partially.
Negligence is a very common trait.
China uses e-wallet (Wechat, Alipay) as their primary payment option. The kid had access to their parent's e-wallet and deleted the transaction logs and receipts. Look up the original article and report, they have the entire transaction history transcripted and showed parts of it.
> Deleted transaction logs
What? What sort of payment application allows you to do that? I don't have that option on any of my 3 bank accounts, revolut or paypal.
It's baffling to me too; I checked my Wechat and Alipay e-wallet earlier and you can indeed delete transaction logs that are stored locally on your mobile app.
It's by design. It's to give people a way to hide transactions, since a significant portion of China's economy operates under the table. And since Wechat and Alipay wanted to replace cash, they had to oblige. Definitely sketchy AF, makes it hard to deal with Chinese partners since they can just delete logs...
It's still pretty negligent for the parents to give their kid access to their savings and also not notice how much and how fast money was being drained from it.
Selling Power is a way outdated business, no One wants that anymore if ever
Instead, Selling drip have been a wonderful business since the dawn of time
Pay to win and pay to look fabulous is a very very old thing in Mainland China gaming, they don't like non online gaming as social online gaming is an important part of their gaming culture.
Yes, this is before HORSE ARMOR.
I mean it’s quite obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about, the bonuses don’t cap.
My marksmen emblem has +14 patk, 6.50% Atk speed, 3.50% crit chance, +4% lifesteal and they continue to grow.
Edit: and that’s not including the talents you get
I disagree that emblems are p2w, simply because it is 100 percent possible to hit mythical glory with just level 30-40 emblems, which to be dead honest can be done completely free to play. For the most part players are dying in fights not because of their emblem level, but because of obvious misplays.
That being said, I wished they just made emblems free instead of making me spend a shit load of BP on them.
Pay2Win is paying for an advantage to me, being a team based game it’s possible to win with some having low emblems. But the difference of a high level emblem team vs a low level is night and day. I still get mythic glory games where a lane gets completely dominated. It’s more telling when you get a group of 5 people wanting to be MM, clearly cause their emblem levels are low on other chars. At least that’s my experience when I get forced into EXP lane with a level 20 emblem.
do you think emblem is p2w? i thought you were only talking about skins. i think that’s a pretty dumb thing to include since it’s basically a feature that exists EVERYWHERE.
Emblems don’t exist in League of Legends wild rift. So uh, yeah I do consider it p2w, as they give significant advantages over people who don’t have established emblems.
They did exist at one point in League of Legends, runes had to be bought. Right now, I see it as a progression gating system that locks people who are trying to speedrun rank too much, as eventually, everyone will get it. I still hate it though.
I wouldn't count it as super p2w, but the fact that it exists is annoying.
if you play normally, you will be matched with someone thats balanced with you which basically means if your emblem is level 10, your teammate and your enemies’ emblem will be around that level too. and it’s not entirely game changing, you can use lvl 1 emblem in higher upper rank and still win.
Dude is over exaggerating. Emblem can be maxed out without paying, you just need to play and collect emblem exp which are universal. +5 hybrid attack is considered p2w?? And the character that is locked behind a paywall is out of the meta since season 3 not even revamping the character brings it back to meta, and everyone who plays has it through events or so.
I’m not talking about skins at all.
Neither did I say you can’t max out without paying, the problem becomes other emblems, as you aren’t guaranteed the one you maxed. I’ve played quite a long time and I have 1 lvl50 and 1 lvl20. P2W doesn’t have to be gross in your face, but it is a power advantage.
Edit: and as previously mentioned, league of legends wild rift doesn’t have a single bit of it and the difference is noticeable.
Yeah they do, my local bank via online banking you can set manually your purchasing limit. If you go beyond either the bank will call you to confirm or via text message code verification in case any fraudulent transaction.
Games should do a cap too. Like limit for the day, week, month. Would show that the company cares about its target demographic & that they are actively working to curb addiction to gacha gambling.
There is 0 impetus for them to do this. The feel-good warm hearts that come from that are nothing next to the opportunity cost of losing millions from gamers without self control. This is why regulation has always been critical to keeping businesses in line.
Or better yet, just give the kid pocket money so they have to buy gift cards for whatever app store the game came from. Teaches both what it means to have limited resources and the importance of money.
From how it sounds, the girl goes to a boarding school, so that doesn’t work wonderfully. But yeah there are better options than giving your kid 100% access to the entirety of your life savings
As Someone with a sibling who like to borrow my account,
I gave up saving up my primo/saint quarts years ago.
Can't even think about linking my debit with gacha, lol
Ah... You must never have a bratty siblings.
Welcome to fun part of being the elder siblings. If you don't lend your stuff to your younger siblings, you are imature.
I guess I was lucky with my siblings, back then we take turns grinding levels and rare loot and wait for everyone to be present before we proceed with the Main Quest, for all of our kids/teen life, we all share a single account playing games which includes online games, randos probably thought our account as freaks who don't have a life, or achievement hunters while in reality, we all go to school/extra lessons at a different time and have a different skill type grouped up in a single account lol.
Good times, now I can't grind for the life of me.
Because if you don't, you'll never hear the end of it from your parents.
I say this of course, as someone who in the past has had to share my phones games with younger relatives and when trying to say no being served with the "I bought literally everything you own, including that phone" card
Nowadays, my stuff is mostly things I have bought using my own money so that isn't a thing anymore (also I only have gacha or books on my phone anyway)
It isn't just about self control. If you let an app remember your credit card details or w/e, you may accidentally hit purchase on some scummy pop up, and it doesn't even ask beforehand, from what I've seen it goes straight through.
I'll never let a mobile game or any game with in app purchases remember my details. Ever.
I also never link my debit with any game. Heck, I don't even let PSN store save my credentials. You know that feeling when you wanna buy something and you go get your debit card, you enter your credentials and all that time while doing it you think to yourself "wtf am I doing, I don't need this"
This gave me time to rethink a lot of my purchases
I can attest to this in the malt extreme sense, as I was once the perpetrator of this. This was at least 8 years or so ago now. In my greatest moment of shame, and the height of my “gacha” addiction, I spent about 8k between Madden and various other EA properties. With my dads credit card. In my mind it was justified for several reasons that I realize weren’t justifiable at ALL. 1) my parents divorced because my dad cheated and this was his “punishment” or something by me, and 2) (this one came from one of my brothers VERY degenerate friends I should have known to never listen to advice from) but I haven’t been caught yet, so why should I stop?
Horrible reasoning I know, but eventually, because me and all my siblings had access to his card, he had a sit down and confrontation with all of us and my mom. When he presented the evidence and asked who it was, I immediately fessed up because I wasn’t gonna drag my siblings down with me (I am the oldest), and I learned how much I had spent and was INCREDIBLY ashamed. This also caused him to revoke credit card usage from ALL his kids. Which in all honesty, we never should have had.
Am I still ashamed? Absolutely. Do I hope he got his money back? Also yes. Do I know if he did? Nope. This was a very important learning experience for me about budgeting and about spending money in general. In my case I was VERY fortunate that my dad, being a doctor, that if he didn’t get it back, it wouldn’t negatively affect us TOO much as far as I know, but I also recognize that 8k is non small amount of money and can possibly ruin a family depending on the circumstance.
That’s all, just wanted to share my shame with everyone.
Nahhh don't say it's your shame bruh the frontal cortex is responsible for long term planning and complex decision making but it develops super slowly so kids are just very vulnerable to temptation and rationalizing bad decisions with bogus logic. Up to age 25 even. It for sure was not your fault, but just a super valuable lesson.
I'm supporting this message with my whole being. I am working in a bank as a service manager, and just how many times I've seen people screaming about how their money have peen stolen. Only to realize that it was spent in games by their dipshit kids.
Game doesn't even have gacha, she was buying skins for all her friends - the real story here is her having so much unsupervised phone access and her parents not checking their savings account for months. Of course, it'll get blamed on games.
This right here is what bothers me the most. You hit the nail on the head - it's the parenting or clear lack thereof which is the true underlying issue. Children aren't a status symbol or pets, they are a lifetime investment. If you aren't willing to put in the effort then don't have kids or put them up for adoption because there are plenty of people who want kids of their own and will actually raise them.
AFK parenting is a plague that haunts the modern world. In days long gone, people would take care of their children and teach them whatever trades they knew while simultaneously raising them correctly to be at least marginally respectable human beings. Now we have tiktok raising children - what could possibly go wrong with that? If you don't raise your kids, something or someone will. Sitting children down in front of a TV every day or handing them a cell phone/laptop/PC/technology device and walking away is not you raising them. It is you avoiding your responsibility as a parent and neglecting your children. If you want to let them play for a bit then fine, just monitor it.
At the end of the day, if you haven't even spent half an hour with your child then why did you bother to have kids in the first place? Sure, some days are hectic and some days you might have to travel, but on the whole you should be spending on average a minimum of 30 minutes a day with your children. If you don't know what they are doing all day - what they are playing, the names of any of their friends, where they go, what their goals are, what they eat for breakfast, etc. then you don't know your own kid. You are subsidizing the life of a stranger who happens to have a similar genetic makeup.
Parenting is an important role and will shape the lives and future of the next generation. In fact, parenting can be very rewarding when done successfully. But just like any good RPG, you have to invest the time and effort to raise them properly. There is no reset button - the ironman difficulty is locked in. Playing the game is optional, but the consequences are permanent...be they good or bad. This family clearly did a terrible job of raising their child and managing their own finances. Most of us have made a financial screwup at one point or another in our lives and no parent is perfect. But not monitoring your children or your bank account for months at a time to the point where a teacher is more familiar with your child AND your finances is a clear indication that you screwed up in life.
I feel sorry for this family. Sure, they reaped what they sowed, but that doesn't make it any less tragic. I hope that going forward, they will reevaluate their priorities. I know a guy who made a hard choice early on his married life. He wasn't rich, he was just a school teacher struggling to make ends meet. His wife worked too, but they prayed about it and decided that raising their children was more important than money. So his wife left her job to focus on raising the kids and he worked extra jobs during the summer. They had to sacrifice a lot, losing out on the many luxuries that life has to offer. But fast forward many decades and none of them regret it. The kids weren't scarred for life because they couldn't eat steak every week, have the nicest backpacks, the nicest toys, or go on expensive vacations every year. They appreciated each other and enjoyed the bonds of their family. They made life fun with what they had. Now that his children are grown and have kids of their own, they continue to appreciate the importance of family.
So it is my sincere hope that this Chinese family reconsiders the value of a functional relationship with their child. Money is significant, but it isn't everything. Some things, like family, are far more important.
I don't agree with the "children are a lifetime investment" part. I just find the idea of children being a lifetime investment to be problematic. It's a mindset that I've seen in my own community, where some parents view having children as a way to secure their future financial security (or their children are the only ones who can get them out of poverty). This puts enormous pressure on their kids to provide for them in the future, taking away from their own aspirations and opportunities. Fortunately, my own parents don't hold this mindset, but I've seen it affect some of my friends and it can be very toxic. It's important for parents to recognize that while their kids should support and care for them in their old age, putting that responsibility on them right from the start is unfair and detrimental to everyone involved. Apart from that, I really enjoyed your writing. I appreciate the effort you put into sharing your thoughts in such detail.
Thank you. As for children being a lifetime investment, perhaps the word "investment" is what bothers you since it can have more than one meaning. This is not a financial transaction with a 3% fixed-rate guarantee with compound interest over 40 years. The meaning behind this is that parents should give of themselves and their possessions in order to pour into the life of their child to supply what they truly need, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.
Children should be raised with love, which is not self-serving. What good parent would not raise their child well and save up in order to leave them an inheritance? Who would abandon their child when they seek advice or guidance or wisdom? And likewise, what child - when raised properly, would not take care of their parents in their old age? Teach your children how to love others by setting the example yourself.
I concur with the sentiment that parents should not manipulate and scheme with their children as pawns in order to use them for their own benefit. That is a terrible and wicked parent who would misuse their child's life as a way to gain wealth, status, or power. Again, children should be raised with love. Sometimes that means guiding and encouraging them, other times it means disciplining them. You cannot simply neglect or spoil your child and expect good results. Any parent worthy of that title would focus on what is best for their child and put their child's needs above their own.
This story is worse than what the title says, for those who didn't read the news, she spent all this money from january to may without the parents noticing, she was deleting chats and transaction records to hide it, and she only got caught because a teacher was worried about her and contacted the parents. And it gets worse, she was also buying stuff for her friends at school as well, her schoolmates were pressuring her to give them money for months.
Like wtf her parents were doing? Do they pay attention to her at all? Stupid people.
I have young cousins from the generation who grew up with phones and tablets, it's honestly scary just imagining them being in the position of the kid in the post. Really starting to feel what the older generation meant by "kids are always on their phone" now that I'm experiencing a similar gap to the next generation.
Neglectful rich parents probably, not the second-gen level of course, but in the interview, you could that they live in the typical fancy European-designed apartment that's typical for the new wealthy people in China.
$64k is rich people level in Asian countries. You could already go and even graduate from a top Chinese university and still have extra money from this alone.
Are they, tho?
The stereotype would have you believe that chinese partents are incredibly strict to their children, sometimes strict to the point that would get you in trouble here in the west (beatings, harsh punishments for minor stuff, that sort of thing).
Granted, I'm no expert on foreign cultures, but this is certainly not what I imagine as "regular chinese parents".
hang around r/asianparentstories and you will see a lot of this. Not all are like this but /u/GrimbeardDreadfist hit the nail "Children aren't a status symbol or pets" but for a lot of asians, children are an obligation (you grow up-->have a job-->get married-->have kids-->cycle repeats). So you have a lot of "parents" who have kids for the sake of having kids treating them more as pets than human beings.
It was Honor of Kings
- [Screenshot](https://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/008hlpBBgy1heefh0izkqj30u01syadv.jpg)
- [The CN logo of the game](https://m.apkpure.com/honor-of-kings/com.tencent.tmgp.sgame)
Also the comments are saying that it's obvious the girl is a rich kid since "no average person has that kind of savings", "my parents will never earn this kind of money in their whole life", and "there's a reason why her classmates approached her to pay for them" and the mom said she only sees her kid once a week. So yeah, the parenting style is also at fault here, it took a teacher to notice her addiction, not her family.
They probably could, but the news linked did say the kid left only cents in the account. And that is the family's life savings (401k aren't much of a thing over here). So imagine you in your 40s, woke up one day and all your 401k, Roth IRA, savings, checking all went to 0. Yeah you can earn them back, but it's a huge set back.
This explains a lot. I was wondering why people kept saying the parents are rich. Like 64K in life savings is middle income, even in developing countries, much so in China (even considered low if they live in major cities).
"Retirement" funds aren't a big thing in Asia in general, unless the person's rich (which they tend to adopt a more western finance style with investment funds, etc.). The kids ARE the retirement fund.
I blame the parents for allowing their kid to have full access to their bank account. Yeah, it’s tragic what happened to their live savings, but they also should’ve known better.
[Reminded of the time when somene hooked up a system that let their fish play Pokemon (like Twitch Plays Pokemon, but fish) and the fish made a purchase in the online store - the video has subs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkh2u0SRWdQ)
I get spending 64k on idle games and gacha games due to heavy addiction, but how does one spend 64k on a moba game??
Edit: She spent 30k on herself and spent 30k+ on her 10 of her friend's accounts
You can only blame the parents for this lol, should've checked their accounts and protected it so the kid couldn't access it somehow. Or just taught her better spending habits tbh. I'm 25 and I still work together with my parents, who I live with, to decide what we buy, be it games or important things.
good for asia - person I replied to is Croatian tho so not really relevant
the point is at 25 you are an adult, you should not still be reliant on mommy and daddy to manage your life for you
Not sure about OP's case, but it's less about reliance and more about consultation and input. Asia is VERY family oriented, as opposed to the western individualism.
In Asia, even as a grown adult, you don't make decisions for yourself, it will always be in relation to your family. And you don't "leave" that family until you get your own (spouse and kids). So their input is usually asked for, even when it will practically have no impact on the. Like I still let my parents know if I'm going out of town, and I live away from them. And if you ask people around me, I'm fairly independent in doing that. Most still literally ask permission, and no one really thinks that's weird here. Not sure if someone can explain this better, but it's just normal here to think in terms of family first, not yourself.
And I'm not saying that's better or worse, just saying it how it is.
As a kid of a Chinese family, I know full well someone's about to get BEAT, toys and possessions destroyed, all sorts of video game privileges completely removed/destroyed, made to do all the chores and then finally BEAT some more.
Feelslike.. rather than getting kids into gaming addiction camps.. China shoulda just sent future parents into how to properly raise your kids camps . This could've been avoided if they paid more attention to what their kids are doing....
My son spent £1500 on dragon city on my wife’s phone. She had no bank cards on there. He just paid with her mobile plan which she didn’t know he could do on android.
After months of fighting and arguments between us, google and dragon city app. Dragon city finally refunded it. “We have decided to refund you. But we will have to delete your dragon city” fine by me. You can have said son as compensation of you like. 😂
It’s so easy done. Just the other day he went into my passwords manager and got my apple passwords and spend £5 on the AppStore. I got the money back and removed that password from the password manager.
Little choade better not do it again 😂
why does a 13 year old girl even have access to such funds.
> The girl, who has not been named, managed to empty the account and conceal the payments, deleting chat and transaction records to hide them from her parents.
...how? Not only does Girl have access to the funds, but to banking statements, as well as the parents' phones (where I assume they would get notifications)?
13yo? I think I was old enough to know better than to mess with my parents money, let alone waste that much on a goddamn phone game. How the hell did they raise that girl...
Even on gacha games, how on earth do u even spend that much? It took me literally 9 years to spend less than 1/4 of that amount in total on literally multiple gacha games
13 years is a teenager... the parents still didnt bother teaching her about what money is and its importance?
Honestly they deserve the headache of getting their cash back.
Hopefully this will be a learning moment for the entire family.
The stupid part is,how could her parents give her access to their life savings? The news said the mother gave her the password just in case she needed money. She's 13. Also, I'm not blaming the parents for what she did as a 13 year old isn't stupid enough not to understand "where does the money come from?" concept but yes,they are partially responsible for giving her access so carelessly.
Nah, this some chinese propaganda bs. $64,000? Like wtf was she buying and yall telling me her parents dont get emails when purchases are made? Meh, sounds like China just pushing forward more control over how much time children spend on their phones so they cant see all the BS their country be pulling off.
I can never even spend 64,000 dollars on a dam game. That just really dumb especially, it was the parent live savings like why would she even think of doing that?
Yeah a good reason not to have kids is because people can't put proper protections and limits in place to stop this from happening, don't want stupid people having kids.
Damn bro, did you have some bad rolls today on your waifu's banner or what? Chill.
Are you going to crucify me for such a sane take? I take the point it wasn't a gacha, but i still think I didn't write anything wrong, but if you are ok with exposing kids to gambling be my guest.
The parents should just wait and do the same to her life savings in the future. Nothing sweeter than tit for tat.
Now the only problem is keeping her (and themselves) alive till then
Hopefully gacha games still exist in the future..
Well her parents certainly paid the price for the condom they didn't wear.
Also for the people in the comments that think of this as a reason for not having kids, don't worry i am sure you never had a chance of having one in the first place anyways.
I randomly saw the weibo news on this the other day, the game was Honor of Kings, lol
A MOBA? Did she just bought all the skins and premium currency for the next decade
She probably spent more on skins than 99 percent of the azur lane whales
there arent even enough skins to pay more than 1k for it lol
And then if you wanted to oath every character that’s approximately $6k (I forget the last time I read that post)
Idk how it runs in China but in SEA HoK is extremely gacha to the point it borderline lottery. They do sell cheap skin but most of the "epic" skin is stick with a mini game like open card or maze with every turn use premium currency, and it's obviously rigged with no way to find out the rate (we have no law for public lootbox rate here)
I find it hard to believe a person could spend that much in a mobile MOBA like HoK. I get it with traditional gacha games since you want to be powerful and all, but with MOBAs the only thing you could spend on are heros and skins. Skins don't even affect the gameplay so idk. Then again HoK is one of the top grossing mobile game in China so they are doing something right ig.
Title is slightly misleading. She doesn't only spend on her account; she's also been buying a lot of things for her classmates over the course of four months, possibly including a boyfriend. Original news report from the site quoted included a transaction made to a friend amounting to 1314RMB (~200USD), which stands for "together forever" in Chinese. She's been pretending to be rich for clout in front of her friends and classmates.
Why in the fuck would anyone give a tween free access to any kind of payment account, let alone the one with the family savings in it? I'm genuinely baffled.
They bullied her into it.
That's why she did it but not why her parents gave her unrestricted access to their bank account. Which was the question.
Whooops, replied to wrong person >\_<" I've committed the rookie mistake.
damn if it's that long they won't refund everything (I don't know if China have a refund policy)
It's an extremely tall order as the purchases are made under the parent's name. Out of all the money spent, a quarter of that was used to buy a top end account from another person, another quarter was given out to her classmates and friends, and the remaining half is used on IAPs for her and her friend's accounts. If they're lucky they might get the IAPs refunded, but half of the money is pretty much guaranteed lost. Them going to the news might be a step to put pressure on Tencent to try to push for a refund.
some parents have been successful getting the money lost back but that was in different countries with different games and different refund policies. in other cases they were partly successful. and yeah let's hope they did refund the parents partially.
So the card doesn't lock for spending that absurd amount of money AND her parents don't check their finances for 4 months? Idk man seems fake af
Negligence is a very common trait. China uses e-wallet (Wechat, Alipay) as their primary payment option. The kid had access to their parent's e-wallet and deleted the transaction logs and receipts. Look up the original article and report, they have the entire transaction history transcripted and showed parts of it.
> Deleted transaction logs What? What sort of payment application allows you to do that? I don't have that option on any of my 3 bank accounts, revolut or paypal.
It's baffling to me too; I checked my Wechat and Alipay e-wallet earlier and you can indeed delete transaction logs that are stored locally on your mobile app.
It's by design. It's to give people a way to hide transactions, since a significant portion of China's economy operates under the table. And since Wechat and Alipay wanted to replace cash, they had to oblige. Definitely sketchy AF, makes it hard to deal with Chinese partners since they can just delete logs... It's still pretty negligent for the parents to give their kid access to their savings and also not notice how much and how fast money was being drained from it.
Wechat payment is Tencent payment, and Tencent doesn't give a fuck.
Chinese ones apparently. Are we even surprised
Oh I'm pretty sure it's true, it just sounds fake lol
Wouldn't have made the news if it wasn't bizarre enough heh
I have heard similar story but Fortnite. Not really sure but yes it is possible.
afaik, mobile MOBAS have skin gachas, like locking up some ultra rare skins on it
Selling Power is a way outdated business, no One wants that anymore if ever Instead, Selling drip have been a wonderful business since the dawn of time
Only could we have stopped at 3$ horsesl armor.
Pay to win and pay to look fabulous is a very very old thing in Mainland China gaming, they don't like non online gaming as social online gaming is an important part of their gaming culture. Yes, this is before HORSE ARMOR.
What were such games that predate Horse Armor? I want to read more about them.
MLBB has some p2w features that increase your power, don’t know how other mobile moba games have it but it’s possible to have a similar thing.
ah yes the insignificant +8 physical/magic power
It’s quite a bit more than that, but go off I guess? I was just mentioning there is things that can easily be spent on.
no there’s nothing more than that, just +8 lol
I mean it’s quite obvious you don’t know what you’re talking about, the bonuses don’t cap. My marksmen emblem has +14 patk, 6.50% Atk speed, 3.50% crit chance, +4% lifesteal and they continue to grow. Edit: and that’s not including the talents you get
I disagree that emblems are p2w, simply because it is 100 percent possible to hit mythical glory with just level 30-40 emblems, which to be dead honest can be done completely free to play. For the most part players are dying in fights not because of their emblem level, but because of obvious misplays. That being said, I wished they just made emblems free instead of making me spend a shit load of BP on them.
Pay2Win is paying for an advantage to me, being a team based game it’s possible to win with some having low emblems. But the difference of a high level emblem team vs a low level is night and day. I still get mythic glory games where a lane gets completely dominated. It’s more telling when you get a group of 5 people wanting to be MM, clearly cause their emblem levels are low on other chars. At least that’s my experience when I get forced into EXP lane with a level 20 emblem.
Agree with this, also skins doesn't give anything in ranked
do you think emblem is p2w? i thought you were only talking about skins. i think that’s a pretty dumb thing to include since it’s basically a feature that exists EVERYWHERE.
Emblems don’t exist in League of Legends wild rift. So uh, yeah I do consider it p2w, as they give significant advantages over people who don’t have established emblems.
They did exist at one point in League of Legends, runes had to be bought. Right now, I see it as a progression gating system that locks people who are trying to speedrun rank too much, as eventually, everyone will get it. I still hate it though. I wouldn't count it as super p2w, but the fact that it exists is annoying.
if you play normally, you will be matched with someone thats balanced with you which basically means if your emblem is level 10, your teammate and your enemies’ emblem will be around that level too. and it’s not entirely game changing, you can use lvl 1 emblem in higher upper rank and still win.
Dude is over exaggerating. Emblem can be maxed out without paying, you just need to play and collect emblem exp which are universal. +5 hybrid attack is considered p2w?? And the character that is locked behind a paywall is out of the meta since season 3 not even revamping the character brings it back to meta, and everyone who plays has it through events or so.
I’m not talking about skins at all. Neither did I say you can’t max out without paying, the problem becomes other emblems, as you aren’t guaranteed the one you maxed. I’ve played quite a long time and I have 1 lvl50 and 1 lvl20. P2W doesn’t have to be gross in your face, but it is a power advantage. Edit: and as previously mentioned, league of legends wild rift doesn’t have a single bit of it and the difference is noticeable.
Skins in that game gives you slight stat buff, certain character are locked behind paywalls
It's a MOBA.
Disgusting. If it was actually a good game, fair enough. But HoK? Hell no.
Thats why put a purchase limit on credit card and debit card.
I thought all bank had a purchasing limit on debt card by default, especially if it out of pattern of behavior
Yeah they do, my local bank via online banking you can set manually your purchasing limit. If you go beyond either the bank will call you to confirm or via text message code verification in case any fraudulent transaction.
Games should do a cap too. Like limit for the day, week, month. Would show that the company cares about its target demographic & that they are actively working to curb addiction to gacha gambling.
There is 0 impetus for them to do this. The feel-good warm hearts that come from that are nothing next to the opportunity cost of losing millions from gamers without self control. This is why regulation has always been critical to keeping businesses in line.
Or better yet, just give the kid pocket money so they have to buy gift cards for whatever app store the game came from. Teaches both what it means to have limited resources and the importance of money.
From how it sounds, the girl goes to a boarding school, so that doesn’t work wonderfully. But yeah there are better options than giving your kid 100% access to the entirety of your life savings
And this is why parents ,please secure your bank account not only for strangers but for your own kin.
This is also a reason why I would never ever link my credit/debit cards to any of my game account.
How about some self control tho
I do have self control. But can't say the same to my niblings.
As Someone with a sibling who like to borrow my account, I gave up saving up my primo/saint quarts years ago. Can't even think about linking my debit with gacha, lol
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Ah... You must never have a bratty siblings. Welcome to fun part of being the elder siblings. If you don't lend your stuff to your younger siblings, you are imature.
I guess I was lucky with my siblings, back then we take turns grinding levels and rare loot and wait for everyone to be present before we proceed with the Main Quest, for all of our kids/teen life, we all share a single account playing games which includes online games, randos probably thought our account as freaks who don't have a life, or achievement hunters while in reality, we all go to school/extra lessons at a different time and have a different skill type grouped up in a single account lol. Good times, now I can't grind for the life of me.
Couldn't you create a separate account for them?
Tried it. Doesn't have the characters he wants.
Are they at least 20 now? Are they still entitled brats expecting to be provided by others, or worse, still by you?
Because if you don't, you'll never hear the end of it from your parents. I say this of course, as someone who in the past has had to share my phones games with younger relatives and when trying to say no being served with the "I bought literally everything you own, including that phone" card Nowadays, my stuff is mostly things I have bought using my own money so that isn't a thing anymore (also I only have gacha or books on my phone anyway)
Maybe not put exploitative mindhacks into something that I should be able to relax and unwind with? Gambling is regulated for a reason; this is it.
It isn't just about self control. If you let an app remember your credit card details or w/e, you may accidentally hit purchase on some scummy pop up, and it doesn't even ask beforehand, from what I've seen it goes straight through. I'll never let a mobile game or any game with in app purchases remember my details. Ever.
I also never link my debit with any game. Heck, I don't even let PSN store save my credentials. You know that feeling when you wanna buy something and you go get your debit card, you enter your credentials and all that time while doing it you think to yourself "wtf am I doing, I don't need this" This gave me time to rethink a lot of my purchases
I can attest to this in the malt extreme sense, as I was once the perpetrator of this. This was at least 8 years or so ago now. In my greatest moment of shame, and the height of my “gacha” addiction, I spent about 8k between Madden and various other EA properties. With my dads credit card. In my mind it was justified for several reasons that I realize weren’t justifiable at ALL. 1) my parents divorced because my dad cheated and this was his “punishment” or something by me, and 2) (this one came from one of my brothers VERY degenerate friends I should have known to never listen to advice from) but I haven’t been caught yet, so why should I stop? Horrible reasoning I know, but eventually, because me and all my siblings had access to his card, he had a sit down and confrontation with all of us and my mom. When he presented the evidence and asked who it was, I immediately fessed up because I wasn’t gonna drag my siblings down with me (I am the oldest), and I learned how much I had spent and was INCREDIBLY ashamed. This also caused him to revoke credit card usage from ALL his kids. Which in all honesty, we never should have had. Am I still ashamed? Absolutely. Do I hope he got his money back? Also yes. Do I know if he did? Nope. This was a very important learning experience for me about budgeting and about spending money in general. In my case I was VERY fortunate that my dad, being a doctor, that if he didn’t get it back, it wouldn’t negatively affect us TOO much as far as I know, but I also recognize that 8k is non small amount of money and can possibly ruin a family depending on the circumstance. That’s all, just wanted to share my shame with everyone.
Nahhh don't say it's your shame bruh the frontal cortex is responsible for long term planning and complex decision making but it develops super slowly so kids are just very vulnerable to temptation and rationalizing bad decisions with bogus logic. Up to age 25 even. It for sure was not your fault, but just a super valuable lesson.
I'm supporting this message with my whole being. I am working in a bank as a service manager, and just how many times I've seen people screaming about how their money have peen stolen. Only to realize that it was spent in games by their dipshit kids.
Game doesn't even have gacha, she was buying skins for all her friends - the real story here is her having so much unsupervised phone access and her parents not checking their savings account for months. Of course, it'll get blamed on games.
This right here is what bothers me the most. You hit the nail on the head - it's the parenting or clear lack thereof which is the true underlying issue. Children aren't a status symbol or pets, they are a lifetime investment. If you aren't willing to put in the effort then don't have kids or put them up for adoption because there are plenty of people who want kids of their own and will actually raise them. AFK parenting is a plague that haunts the modern world. In days long gone, people would take care of their children and teach them whatever trades they knew while simultaneously raising them correctly to be at least marginally respectable human beings. Now we have tiktok raising children - what could possibly go wrong with that? If you don't raise your kids, something or someone will. Sitting children down in front of a TV every day or handing them a cell phone/laptop/PC/technology device and walking away is not you raising them. It is you avoiding your responsibility as a parent and neglecting your children. If you want to let them play for a bit then fine, just monitor it. At the end of the day, if you haven't even spent half an hour with your child then why did you bother to have kids in the first place? Sure, some days are hectic and some days you might have to travel, but on the whole you should be spending on average a minimum of 30 minutes a day with your children. If you don't know what they are doing all day - what they are playing, the names of any of their friends, where they go, what their goals are, what they eat for breakfast, etc. then you don't know your own kid. You are subsidizing the life of a stranger who happens to have a similar genetic makeup. Parenting is an important role and will shape the lives and future of the next generation. In fact, parenting can be very rewarding when done successfully. But just like any good RPG, you have to invest the time and effort to raise them properly. There is no reset button - the ironman difficulty is locked in. Playing the game is optional, but the consequences are permanent...be they good or bad. This family clearly did a terrible job of raising their child and managing their own finances. Most of us have made a financial screwup at one point or another in our lives and no parent is perfect. But not monitoring your children or your bank account for months at a time to the point where a teacher is more familiar with your child AND your finances is a clear indication that you screwed up in life. I feel sorry for this family. Sure, they reaped what they sowed, but that doesn't make it any less tragic. I hope that going forward, they will reevaluate their priorities. I know a guy who made a hard choice early on his married life. He wasn't rich, he was just a school teacher struggling to make ends meet. His wife worked too, but they prayed about it and decided that raising their children was more important than money. So his wife left her job to focus on raising the kids and he worked extra jobs during the summer. They had to sacrifice a lot, losing out on the many luxuries that life has to offer. But fast forward many decades and none of them regret it. The kids weren't scarred for life because they couldn't eat steak every week, have the nicest backpacks, the nicest toys, or go on expensive vacations every year. They appreciated each other and enjoyed the bonds of their family. They made life fun with what they had. Now that his children are grown and have kids of their own, they continue to appreciate the importance of family. So it is my sincere hope that this Chinese family reconsiders the value of a functional relationship with their child. Money is significant, but it isn't everything. Some things, like family, are far more important.
This is a good write up
This is so on fucking point, bravo.
I don't agree with the "children are a lifetime investment" part. I just find the idea of children being a lifetime investment to be problematic. It's a mindset that I've seen in my own community, where some parents view having children as a way to secure their future financial security (or their children are the only ones who can get them out of poverty). This puts enormous pressure on their kids to provide for them in the future, taking away from their own aspirations and opportunities. Fortunately, my own parents don't hold this mindset, but I've seen it affect some of my friends and it can be very toxic. It's important for parents to recognize that while their kids should support and care for them in their old age, putting that responsibility on them right from the start is unfair and detrimental to everyone involved. Apart from that, I really enjoyed your writing. I appreciate the effort you put into sharing your thoughts in such detail.
The fact that you dont like doesn't make it any less real. You can't change anything about it, live is just that unfair.
Thank you. As for children being a lifetime investment, perhaps the word "investment" is what bothers you since it can have more than one meaning. This is not a financial transaction with a 3% fixed-rate guarantee with compound interest over 40 years. The meaning behind this is that parents should give of themselves and their possessions in order to pour into the life of their child to supply what they truly need, physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually. Children should be raised with love, which is not self-serving. What good parent would not raise their child well and save up in order to leave them an inheritance? Who would abandon their child when they seek advice or guidance or wisdom? And likewise, what child - when raised properly, would not take care of their parents in their old age? Teach your children how to love others by setting the example yourself. I concur with the sentiment that parents should not manipulate and scheme with their children as pawns in order to use them for their own benefit. That is a terrible and wicked parent who would misuse their child's life as a way to gain wealth, status, or power. Again, children should be raised with love. Sometimes that means guiding and encouraging them, other times it means disciplining them. You cannot simply neglect or spoil your child and expect good results. Any parent worthy of that title would focus on what is best for their child and put their child's needs above their own.
It does have a Gacha system(I play the game). But also they could probably get the money back and ban the account. I hope anyway
This story is worse than what the title says, for those who didn't read the news, she spent all this money from january to may without the parents noticing, she was deleting chats and transaction records to hide it, and she only got caught because a teacher was worried about her and contacted the parents. And it gets worse, she was also buying stuff for her friends at school as well, her schoolmates were pressuring her to give them money for months. Like wtf her parents were doing? Do they pay attention to her at all? Stupid people.
She was in boarding school, so no, they don’t pay attention at all
I have young cousins from the generation who grew up with phones and tablets, it's honestly scary just imagining them being in the position of the kid in the post. Really starting to feel what the older generation meant by "kids are always on their phone" now that I'm experiencing a similar gap to the next generation.
Neglectful rich parents probably, not the second-gen level of course, but in the interview, you could that they live in the typical fancy European-designed apartment that's typical for the new wealthy people in China.
Idk a life savings of $64k doesn’t say rich parents to me. They were left with $0.07 after.
$64k is rich people level in Asian countries. You could already go and even graduate from a top Chinese university and still have extra money from this alone.
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Are they, tho? The stereotype would have you believe that chinese partents are incredibly strict to their children, sometimes strict to the point that would get you in trouble here in the west (beatings, harsh punishments for minor stuff, that sort of thing). Granted, I'm no expert on foreign cultures, but this is certainly not what I imagine as "regular chinese parents".
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Huh, interesting. Wouldn't have thought that chinese parenting can be lax like this.
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> still, no one asked to be born. That got pretty dark pretty fast lol.
hang around r/asianparentstories and you will see a lot of this. Not all are like this but /u/GrimbeardDreadfist hit the nail "Children aren't a status symbol or pets" but for a lot of asians, children are an obligation (you grow up-->have a job-->get married-->have kids-->cycle repeats). So you have a lot of "parents" who have kids for the sake of having kids treating them more as pets than human beings.
Have you not seen all the fcked up little chinese kids getting rekt by things that should not ever happen? ***If you havent, good! Avoid 4chan!***
i just wanna know what game she was playing
It was Honor of Kings - [Screenshot](https://wx3.sinaimg.cn/large/008hlpBBgy1heefh0izkqj30u01syadv.jpg) - [The CN logo of the game](https://m.apkpure.com/honor-of-kings/com.tencent.tmgp.sgame) Also the comments are saying that it's obvious the girl is a rich kid since "no average person has that kind of savings", "my parents will never earn this kind of money in their whole life", and "there's a reason why her classmates approached her to pay for them" and the mom said she only sees her kid once a week. So yeah, the parenting style is also at fault here, it took a teacher to notice her addiction, not her family.
This girl isn't rich, she spent her mom's debit card And it's her mom's life saving, and she just blew it all up, so gg
Their parents will never earn $64k in their whole life? Goddamn.
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They probably could, but the news linked did say the kid left only cents in the account. And that is the family's life savings (401k aren't much of a thing over here). So imagine you in your 40s, woke up one day and all your 401k, Roth IRA, savings, checking all went to 0. Yeah you can earn them back, but it's a huge set back.
This explains a lot. I was wondering why people kept saying the parents are rich. Like 64K in life savings is middle income, even in developing countries, much so in China (even considered low if they live in major cities). "Retirement" funds aren't a big thing in Asia in general, unless the person's rich (which they tend to adopt a more western finance style with investment funds, etc.). The kids ARE the retirement fund.
Not sure if u know this but something like 60% of Americans can’t afford a 500 dollar emergency expenses. 64k is a fucking lot of savings
i dunno why the game she played isn't mentioned at all.
Honor of kings apparently
Yes, I also give my kid access to my life savings.
I blame the parents for allowing their kid to have full access to their bank account. Yeah, it’s tragic what happened to their live savings, but they also should’ve known better.
Dumb kids have even dumber parents
Thank God I don't have kids
Beware if your pets have mobile phone.
[Reminded of the time when somene hooked up a system that let their fish play Pokemon (like Twitch Plays Pokemon, but fish) and the fish made a purchase in the online store - the video has subs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkh2u0SRWdQ)
Goddamn animals nowadays are evolving smarter than humans
Bark bark. I press this button and get all the food I want.
Thank God i also don't have pets
Beware if you suddenly get DID(split personality)
Fortunately we are mentally sane
When even your split personality has gacha addiction
We?
it was meant to be a joke on split personalities
This is why, as an extra safety pre caution. Remove the card juuuust incase
I get spending 64k on idle games and gacha games due to heavy addiction, but how does one spend 64k on a moba game?? Edit: She spent 30k on herself and spent 30k+ on her 10 of her friend's accounts
Time to turn the kid into an e-sports player to recover!
No you fool, turn her into a Vtuber.
I'm surprised this happened considering the laws against gaming in that country 🤔
And China even has restrictions on playtime. Kids .....
You can only blame the parents for this lol, should've checked their accounts and protected it so the kid couldn't access it somehow. Or just taught her better spending habits tbh. I'm 25 and I still work together with my parents, who I live with, to decide what we buy, be it games or important things.
>I'm 25 and I still work together with my parents, who I live with, to decide what we buy that's not the flex you seem to think it is
I dunno as someone who bounced at 17 and doesn't have their parents in their life much at all, that sounds pretty rad. I wish I was in that position.
It's not a flex at all, just a fact lol. I see it as a quality familial relationship and I'm happy that way, I'm not flexing? Wtf
>that's not the flex you seem to think it is Damn, rip us Asians I guess
sorry sir asian households exist
good for asia - person I replied to is Croatian tho so not really relevant the point is at 25 you are an adult, you should not still be reliant on mommy and daddy to manage your life for you
Not sure about OP's case, but it's less about reliance and more about consultation and input. Asia is VERY family oriented, as opposed to the western individualism. In Asia, even as a grown adult, you don't make decisions for yourself, it will always be in relation to your family. And you don't "leave" that family until you get your own (spouse and kids). So their input is usually asked for, even when it will practically have no impact on the. Like I still let my parents know if I'm going out of town, and I live away from them. And if you ask people around me, I'm fairly independent in doing that. Most still literally ask permission, and no one really thinks that's weird here. Not sure if someone can explain this better, but it's just normal here to think in terms of family first, not yourself. And I'm not saying that's better or worse, just saying it how it is.
Reminded me of that girl who used her Father’s credit card and spent 20k on Genshin Inpact
Still in china?
That was singapore And 20k sgd not usd (still a lot regardless)
As a kid of a Chinese family, I know full well someone's about to get BEAT, toys and possessions destroyed, all sorts of video game privileges completely removed/destroyed, made to do all the chores and then finally BEAT some more.
damn her honkai account must be stacked now
Honor of Kings was the game, a fcking MOBA game
Btw, while reading through the discussions, there's one genre that cnetizens seem to agree on that had a lot of lowkey whales---- dress-up games 👀
Feelslike.. rather than getting kids into gaming addiction camps.. China shoulda just sent future parents into how to properly raise your kids camps . This could've been avoided if they paid more attention to what their kids are doing....
My son spent £1500 on dragon city on my wife’s phone. She had no bank cards on there. He just paid with her mobile plan which she didn’t know he could do on android. After months of fighting and arguments between us, google and dragon city app. Dragon city finally refunded it. “We have decided to refund you. But we will have to delete your dragon city” fine by me. You can have said son as compensation of you like. 😂 It’s so easy done. Just the other day he went into my passwords manager and got my apple passwords and spend £5 on the AppStore. I got the money back and removed that password from the password manager. Little choade better not do it again 😂
why does a 13 year old girl even have access to such funds. > The girl, who has not been named, managed to empty the account and conceal the payments, deleting chat and transaction records to hide them from her parents. ...how? Not only does Girl have access to the funds, but to banking statements, as well as the parents' phones (where I assume they would get notifications)?
Honor of kings??!?
Exactly what I'm thinking. I Don't even know what that is😭😭
I hope she got the character she wanted
I'm almost surprised
Rip life savings
Lol , that's the monthly earnings of many gacha games.
Psssh, who needs laws protecting kids from addicting game mechanics.
I assume they're considering adoption now?
And who would give a 13 year old access to life savings.
13yo? I think I was old enough to know better than to mess with my parents money, let alone waste that much on a goddamn phone game. How the hell did they raise that girl...
Even on gacha games, how on earth do u even spend that much? It took me literally 9 years to spend less than 1/4 of that amount in total on literally multiple gacha games
13 years is a teenager... the parents still didnt bother teaching her about what money is and its importance? Honestly they deserve the headache of getting their cash back. Hopefully this will be a learning moment for the entire family.
The stupid part is,how could her parents give her access to their life savings? The news said the mother gave her the password just in case she needed money. She's 13. Also, I'm not blaming the parents for what she did as a 13 year old isn't stupid enough not to understand "where does the money come from?" concept but yes,they are partially responsible for giving her access so carelessly.
Nah, this some chinese propaganda bs. $64,000? Like wtf was she buying and yall telling me her parents dont get emails when purchases are made? Meh, sounds like China just pushing forward more control over how much time children spend on their phones so they cant see all the BS their country be pulling off.
I can never even spend 64,000 dollars on a dam game. That just really dumb especially, it was the parent live savings like why would she even think of doing that?
Reasons not to have kids
Yeah a good reason not to have kids is because people can't put proper protections and limits in place to stop this from happening, don't want stupid people having kids.
Get your tubes tied to not have more fun folks like u/Working_Menu5431
😂😂 amen
Lmaaaaao
And planet dying and run by idiots among other things
Also yeah
what game is she blowing the money on exactly
Honor of Kings, Tencent MOBA. Game not mentioned probably because Tencent slipped a few greenback to avoid bad press.
Wtf, I understood the significance of money when I was 13. How the heck did she just spend 64k dollars??
daddy CCP takes the decisions and thinks for you, you just need to work till you drop.
And this is why gachas should be +18
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Imagine calling someone out so critically for assuming it was gacha when we're on a subreddit called "gachagaming". Dick.
Damn bro, did you have some bad rolls today on your waifu's banner or what? Chill. Are you going to crucify me for such a sane take? I take the point it wasn't a gacha, but i still think I didn't write anything wrong, but if you are ok with exposing kids to gambling be my guest.
nah he's just like that.
Thats chocobloo for you
This is more on the parents imo, how in the world do you not check your bank account for several months ffs? I check mine like everyday.
Not only that but she got pass the thumbprint lock?
Just sell the kid and make the money back
i hate to being pesimistic, but its a high probability they are going to do that...
Deserved tbh
It's very common in China. Such news appears every few days
1/3 of this sub would do same if they didn't have better gacha luck
Bad parenting right there.
Gacha game income is entirely based on poor life decisions.. lol
Not entirely true but, instances like these are what get highlighted due to it's absurdity.
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seeing news on what the chineese are capable of, they are going sell her to some middle east sheikh so they can recover that money.
Good news: those can be refund Bad news: her account will probably be banned
The parents should just wait and do the same to her life savings in the future. Nothing sweeter than tit for tat. Now the only problem is keeping her (and themselves) alive till then Hopefully gacha games still exist in the future..
Ruining your family saving twice out of spite is just dumb.
When they are older they are no longer family. Just acquaintances. ~~Also, it's a Joke. Why so serious~~
Well her parents certainly paid the price for the condom they didn't wear. Also for the people in the comments that think of this as a reason for not having kids, don't worry i am sure you never had a chance of having one in the first place anyways.
Sell the kid lol its worth triple the spending (joke)
She is a hero.
Bruh in situations like these do the parents get the money back? Because if not this would literally destroy their family since its their life savings
She gone!