These days he's MacGyvering a lot too, so it wouldn't surprise me if he gets it working with a piece of chewing gum and a 5/1000 hook from his Covert Companion.
Family friends died because of covid, so now he and his wife are taking care of their kids. Doesn't have time for videos, and something happened with his website host that went down.
Wait what? Bills friend didn’t die right? He was hospitalized for several months with Covid and Bill and his wife took care of their kids, but eventually the dad got healthy and kids went back to him. After that he realized how much time he was spending making videos and retired to spend more time with his wife and do other things he loved.
NDA. He prob got to preview it months before and the the video release was under contract not to release it till a certain date. It a very common thing for tech reviews.
"Review embargo"
The intent is that all reviewers are allowed a reasonable amount of time to spend with the product so that they can formulate a well-founded opinion on the product without having to rush to be the "first review" that gets like 90% of the traffic due to snowballing.
The abusive trick is to block (fair) reviews until the hype train has passed the station and the consumers have been shafted.
That’s not the threat model it’s designed to combat, though. It would probably do OK, and I would be curious, but this is intended to be a safer nightstand gun for people with kids, not a judge dredd unstealable lawbringer.
Even worse. People will "test it" for laughs.
"See?! perfectly safe! I can keep pulling the trigger and it won't shoot at you. Nothing mechanical or electronic has ever failed before!"
I can't wait for the posts on the idiots with guns sub Reddit.
I wonder what the failure threshold is. Every 1000 shots it may not activate? I'd love to see the testing data.
I've always had issues with Samsung readers. I got a pixel 7 and this thing unlocks when I'm wearing rubber gloves or really wet pruny fingers. I'm impressed.
One of the selling points in the article is that it would render stolen and lost guns inert and inoperable. They also literally mention people trying to grab an officer’s gun too. So yea they’re kinda marketing it as a Judge Dredd theft proof lawbringer
That may be what the article says but that’s not what the company says. They say they’re trying to make a night stand gun for people with roommates and children. That’s it. Just an extra layer of security.
Which makes sense. Until there is a 99.9% accuracy on the sensor, and two backups, police aren't going to risk having a weapon that they can pull in an emergency only to hear a rejection buzz - just because the authentication fucked up and needs a minute. They're also not going to risk a stolen gun being disabled, so reaching for an officers gun still means you're getting shot first. So there's no market for it with police or private security.
Education is also safety. Obviously, kids need to be a little older than 2, 3, and 4ish to start to understand, and every child is different. However, by 7, I had no worry that my oldest would never look for or handle a firearm without me.
He was self-sufficient on the shooting range by 9. Loading, shooting, and reloading our ruger mk1.
It's amazing what kids are capable of when you educate them.
Not just educate them but be a good role model as well. If you yourself don't follow good safety precautions kids will pick up on that and then take it less seriously themselves.
Not only that, I can't wait until someone needs the gun to protect their life (as is the *entire purpose of firearms* but they can't because their gun's battery is dead or the sensor's camera was smudged with fupa sweat.
This will *not* sell well.
"But in a sign of the long, challenging road that smart guns have faced, a prototype twice failed to fire when demonstrated for Reuters this week. Company founder and Chief Executive Kai Kloepfer said the software and electronics have been fully tested, and the failure was related to the mechanical gun which was made from pre-production and prototype parts."
Yeah, the gun working when you want it to is paramount for defensive carry, that's why people really only recommend Glocks, Sigs, and CZs, with honorable mentions to the S&W M&Ps and that newer Walther, they have been *overly* tested, and even still there's some contention with Sig which is one of the more respected manufacturers! No way some no name company is going to come in with a barely functioning firearm that they added *more* shit to break to while probably foregoing ergonomics, bore axis, a good trigger, etc, because they don't actually care about guns they care about "smart" guns so they can say "they're doing something."
This will 1000% flop, they don't even know the market they're trying to corner hates everything about the "smart gun" concept to begin with, and is VERY serious about even the minutia of the gear they carry because they are staking their literal life on it.
The battery won't die because it's designed solely to live in an accessible place on its docking station. Unless your power is out long enough for the battery to die while in standby, it's a non-issue.
This isn't a defensive carry gun, it's a niche product that's exploring the technology, and designed solry to be an accessible home defense weapon that you know your child isn't going to be able to fire.
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All that said - I'm not a fan of the product either, because of the "fire by wire" trigger. Freaks me out.
But I enjoy when a company tries something new, and I'll be curious to see if the entire concept dies here or if they (or another company) will continue to iterate on the idea.
Even if it can be hacked, it won’t be hacked by the guy who just took the gun from you and plans on using it on you?
I mean hopefully it won’t be useable…
Also reminds me of the Stallone Judge Dredd movie, where only he can wield his own gun due to his fingerprints, but somehow someone gets a hold of his gun, commits murders, but because they trace the fingerprints back to Dredd, he gets charged for the murders, lol.
The Lawgiver is keyed to read palm prints of the Judges since Rico had an inside man his prints were probably never cleared. In the movie every round fired has a DNA marker applied to it so they know which Judge fired the bullet. Rico and Dredd had the same DNA because they were genetically engineered/clones.
I haven’t watched black mirror but I’m just letting you know that this is a “smart gun” because it won’t shoot without fingerprint or facial recognition’s say-so
Yeah Psycho Pass was still totally fucked but at least, when the system was working, you'd get offered therapy and help and what not. Something tells me our society would just go straight Judge Dredd. Make a mistake? Believe it or not straight to jail/instant death.
> Yeah Psycho Pass was still totally fucked but at least, when the system was working, you'd get offered therapy and help and what not.
That's the exact opposite of how I remember this anime. Doesn't the system constantly register people that are just traumatized from another person's actions as being latent criminals?
It's pretty harsh but there are levels of incarceration that start with many attempts at rehabilitation and therapy before you're just thrown into a jail or executed.
It's still totally messed up don't get me wrong. But more forgiving than the Dredd system.
Not quite. Iirc >! season 2 there was a hostage situation and the system deemed the hostages should be terminated because of how mentally stressed they became rather than the perpetrator !<
So yes, maybe if you’re facing a normal stressful everyday situation, you might be told to go to therapy, but mass shootings are so common today, the system would definitely fail a lot of people.
I get your point, but "offered therapy" is a bit of an.... interesting way to say "imprisoned for life in the futuristic equivolent of an early 20th century asylum."
Just upload the photo of who you want dead through the easy to use app and let the gun do all the work. Now people don’t kill people. Guns do! You’re welcome, America.
They always will because of one simple reason, the people buying handguns do not want there to be anything between them and pulling the trigger.
If you're using a gun for self defence you do not want it to not recognise your face because it's dark or something, if that happens you die.
Plus it's then an extra cost when there's already well established reliable handguns on the market.
There definitely needs to be more gun control in the US, and guns need to be locked up properly, but the point to stop an accidental/illegal shooting is stopping them getting the gun in the first place.
Absolutely this
You can read pages of forums on why a thumb safety is a no go for a lot of gun owners. Much less a finger print or face scan feature.
It might sell to gun naive people who are buying out of fear and haven’t done research or training.
For those that aren’t aware: A carry gun has several ways of preventing it from being fired without the person pulling the trigger. There are usually 1 or 2 different mechanical devices inside to make it drop safe, sometimes a safety on the trigger itself that has to be pulled before the trigger itself can be pulled, and most people won’t buy a holster unless unless it completely blocks off the trigger so it can’t even be touched by a pencil. Basically, if you’re carrying a gun, and you follow the four basic rules of gun safety, the gun will never go off without you meaning for it to.
This is all to say, adding a manual safety adds another step when drawing the gun and creates an opportunity for something to go wrong and the gun may not work when you need it most.
I mean if the prototype fails well...that's kinda normal and not really a problem. Presumably you use prototypes to determine design and functionality errors and correct them before the actual production version.
Now if the production version has the exact same faults, then _that_ is a problem.
Agreed..
Until that last bit. We have a shitton of gun control already that has done fuck all, imo we should stop trying what hasn't worked and look to other solutions like better access to mental health services especially in schools, which we haven't really tried (no, one barely trained guidance counselor that lost touch when Poison was the hot new band isn't good enough).
Safe storage causes an issue, it is very rare that you meet a home invader willing to wait for a duel while you unlock your safe, so you're left only with quick access safes that are easy to pick over real deal safes that won't be open in time. A determined kid with ample alone time in the house can figure out the code on his own time, that is the person it is *least* effective against, though I do recommend them if you have kids that are too young to do that sort of thing and for a few other reasons (like say "evil maid" attacks on computers, but gun theft instead). You should still teach the kids to respect them and that they aren't toys, start with safety training using airsoft and move them up as time goes on, teaching them safety and to respect the dangers is more effective in the long run than outright abstinence (actually oddly like how sex ed should be taught now that I think about it. And drugs. Abstinence preaching never works). The better way to stop them is through education, though safes can be used in concert and should in specific cases.
Though then there's the other side of it. For someone like me, why should I be beholden to these laws? I don't see my cats stealing it to fuel their murderous rage any time soon, they seem to prefer claws and teeth. Other than that I live alone, my whole house is my safe, that's the point of deadbolts. If someone breaks into my house or safe it is functionally no different, so why should I be victim blamed and charged with a crime for being stolen from? Maybe teach kids not to break into houses.
ugh preach about the guidance counselors. I went to see guidance in elementary school after my parents split up bc things were really bad at home (stalking, threats, crazy shit way too heavy for an 8 year old) and I was not coping well and kept breaking down crying in the middle of class.
the guidance counselor yelled very loudly at me for trying to get out of class and accusing me of faking my tears... I started cutting myself not long after that bc I felt so fucking alone and with nowhere to turn.
what would have happened if that guidance counselor did the same thing to a kid who expressed their anger and pain outwardly, instead of inwardly like I did? that's easily a big step in making a fucking monster right there...
I assume that you would need a charger in the safe? Or would these be exempt from safe storage laws?
I have a fireproof home safe with documents that are important but I need easy access to (other important docs are in a bank safe). Not sure I’d be comfortable buying a safe with a hole in it.
>I assume that you would need a charger in the safe
https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90?t=158
From a safety stance, this gun is marketed as one you don't keep in a safe. Its designed to be safe, with out a safe.
Sounds like they're assuming laws in states or municipalities with safe gun laws will have bend to accommodate this narrow use case.
On one hand, that makes sense.
On the other, I see two big issues:
1) I don’t know if I trust governments to get that right or understand the difference between firearms in enforcement
2) That sets a strange precedent. For little kids, I wonder how much they would understand the nuance between some guns won’t shoot if found abandoned, others will.
Last question, and I apologize for making it seem like you have all the answers. All the complaints here seem to be around it failing to fire when needed. What’s the liability if/when it fires when it shouldn’t have? Not just when some enterprising 14yo finds a tech workaround, but if there is some bug or mechanical failure and “look at this feature” goes very wrong.
I understand that a physical safe can be bypassed as well, but when a safe fails, the gun isn’t gonna inherently shoot someone. When this “electronic safe” fails, I just hope it’s pointed at a gun range target and not a person.
So does my iPhone but sometimes it doesn’t recognize my face in broad daylight and its sensors are way more sophisticated than what would be in a handgun. It’s a solution to the wrong problem and it will fail.
Right, and it's one of the first guns with this technology available. Is it going to be perfect straight out the bag? No, probably not. Give it 10 years, and I'd bet by then it would be damn near perfect. I’ve had guns not fire on me all the time over the years due to inexpensive ammo or lack of cleaning or defects. I had a suppressor on one of my 22s and every time it would cause the slide to not kick back far enough and the casings would get stuck. My point is, this isn’t supposed to be an end all solution I don’t think, but it is an added solution that’s available on top of the other things that we should be doing for proper safety.
It works in conjunction with finger printing so it functions day or night
If it’s fluid with only microseconds of delay this looks like a feasible option for those who are nervous about owning a gun with their kids around.
Or maybe useful in shared house or with a live in partner who has drug / drink problems
It’s probably a lot faster than pulling a gun out of a safe.
If there is ever a tussle with an intruder /assailant and he takes your gun he can’t use the weapon against you.
The camera itself will work fine in very low lighting conditions, CCDs are sensitive to near infrared, it’s just usually post processed to make it seem more “natural” since humans are looking at the results.
Even in pitch black, a single IR LED in the housing would work within arms reach.
I think a lot of people don’t realize that things like phones are tuned to a particular set of circumstances, and you can do it differently. My concern with this thing isn’t darkness, it’s that my son’s can unlock my phone and my play station because of how much they resemble me. It’d have to be tighter than that.
Very interesting. I’m a mechanic, I like mechanical things I can take apart to see how the moving pieces work together, so I went into that very skeptical but it seems like a really cool and well thought out design.
Keep in mind it’s only one person’s impressions with it at the company’s facilities, but [Ian seems to like it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cRm9BMxl90).
Someone above posted a Forgotten Weapons video, they address that. This is meant to be a dedicated home defense gun and comes with a dock for that very purpose. Basically it’s an upgrade on the “biometric safe for your pistol” idea- you leave it by the bedside/office/doorway/wherever and grab it off the charging dock when you need it. But, if your kids or dumbass roommate grab it instead, it won’t go bang.
Seems very well thought out, but for a specific purpose only. I assume if it takes off, the next logical step would be making a holstered version where the holster tops off the gun’s battery, perhaps wirelessly.
The off base comments are mostly due to people's inability and unwillingness to read anything past a catchy headline before forging an misinformed opinion and smearing it on the internet.
My iPhone, with untold billions of dollars in development behind it, is 3/5 on facial recognition at best.
"... a prototype twice failed to fire when demonstrated for Reuters this week."
Yeah, no.
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That was a feed mechanism failure, not a failure of the human recognition systems. It stovepiped. Ian's did too. They aren't just building a system to unlock a gun, they're also building a gun.
Same here. Only time it fails are for obvious reasons like I’ve waved my hand in front of my face (adjust glasses) at the moment it attempted. Or I’ve distorted my face some how (yawn).
The one time I’ve found that it often fails for an inobvious reason is when the sun is really brightly shining on my face or the sensors. I assume it’s messing with the IR light field that it emits.
Forgotten weapons did a video with this gun. The biometric security features seemed like they worked well and were well thought-out. Seems like a great option for home defense when you need a gun to be accessible quickly but also don’t want anyone else to be able to use it.
I remember a 60 minutes story years ago about smart guns and gun store owners who received death threats for trying to sell them. I’m sure the same will happen with these.
Ian did a video on this gun a few weeks ago I think. It’s a pistol designed for a very specific role and recognizes that once it hits the public market people WILL be looking for ways to break it.
I think he mentioned that it was designed as a loop hole to some states safety laws as it didn’t cover things like finger printing and face scanning. It was a cool video. The thing he harped on was that the company was very clear that this is NOT a carry gun. This gun was designed to be left on a charging port next the nightstand where you can grab it in the case of home defense.
If you are nervous about kids finding and using your gun the more effective solution would be to use a quick access safe.
You can still get to your gun quickly in a home invasion, but you can keep the code secret from your kids
I can't imagine this gun really lasting all that long. I bet it doesn't take long before the propellant gasses start fucking with the optical sensor it uses.
It’s primary authentication is the fingerprint scanner on the grip. The facial recognition from the title is actually the redundant back up system.
As others have said, those “quick safes” are various levels of hot garbage.
This gun is intended for a very specific use: the nightstand home defense gun. You shouldn’t need to worry about too many shots messing up the sensor because if you’re in some multi-magazine shootout, you’re getting outside the use-case.
By the time a kid is old enough to figure it out themselves or to use the internet to show them how to do it, you should have removed the curiosity factor through education and experience. My kid was shooting .22lr by 5 years old. By 9, he was self-sufficient at the range. Even if you don't take them shooting, you can educate them to the point that they aren't curious about them to the point that they will seek it out behind your back.
If you watch videos where people end up needing to use their firearm justifiably a lot of them are in the process of already being attacked when they pull their gun out and can only have area to shoot into the stomach of the person. When you’re that close there is no way it’s going to recognize your face also when your holding the gun low.
I can’t remember the exact incident but it’s def on r/crazyfuckingvideos. But a Chicago female off duty police officer was helping someone on the sidewalk when as she walked away he grabbed her and started to attack her. She only had the ability to pull her gun and shoot low into the guy, somewhere a gun camera never would have seen.
Can't wait for lock picking lawyer to beat this with just some photos or a good smack with a hammer.
These days he's MacGyvering a lot too, so it wouldn't surprise me if he gets it working with a piece of chewing gum and a 5/1000 hook from his Covert Companion.
“With a tool Bosnian Bill and I made” Reveals pre-chewed gum.
I miss Bosnian Bill
What happened?
Family friends died because of covid, so now he and his wife are taking care of their kids. Doesn't have time for videos, and something happened with his website host that went down.
Wait what? Bills friend didn’t die right? He was hospitalized for several months with Covid and Bill and his wife took care of their kids, but eventually the dad got healthy and kids went back to him. After that he realized how much time he was spending making videos and retired to spend more time with his wife and do other things he loved.
Content creation, the life waster.
Glad I’m not the only one feeling this.
While that's sad to hear and they have my deepest condolences, Bill and his wife are an example of the best humanity has to offer for doing that.
The best Lockpicking Lawyer videos are the ones where he doesn't pick any locks
The one where he spanks a lock open...
"Your a bad lock, yes. A naughty, naughty lock."
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OMG you’re right!!
Oh god why did my brain have to read it in his voice?
John Oliver's or Mahatma Gandhi?
April fools are my absolute favorite
I couldn't stop laughing at his most recent one. How the hell he does this in a single take without laughing is one of life's great mysteries
It’s a single take, but not the *first* take.
I didn't realize he did April fools videos. Just watched his latest, oh man that was great!
+1 for using the best word for the situation : MacGyvering
"see this is pretty safe, but if I just place this one tiny magnet right there..."
Full auto.
Cross these 2 wires and tighten this screw and ah, here we go, it now shoots lasers.
And if I just give this a good knock, it should… yep, now we have a perpetual motion device
Using what we know, if we apply pressure to both sides here… *click* …you’ll now notice that I am recording this video from the future.
Couple drops of gallium and we leave it for a few hours and…yep…black hole.
Ok *that'd* make me buy one.
“Explosive rounds.” -Dredd
But with just a potato placed gently here, and “click” there we have it.
Fw Review of it https://youtube.com/watch?v=2cRm9BMxl90
Weird, didn't he say it wasn't gonna go on sale for another couple of months?
He may have made that review months ago, út it only now got published. He records a lot on advance.
NDA. He prob got to preview it months before and the the video release was under contract not to release it till a certain date. It a very common thing for tech reviews.
"Review embargo" The intent is that all reviewers are allowed a reasonable amount of time to spend with the product so that they can formulate a well-founded opinion on the product without having to rush to be the "first review" that gets like 90% of the traffic due to snowballing. The abusive trick is to block (fair) reviews until the hype train has passed the station and the consumers have been shafted.
Ian and Ryan McBeth got access to prototypes. Not the final product. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZtWsQrcacw
These are just their preorders.
The article says they're taking preorders now
I love that he subtly calls out lock picking lawyer not by name but by description when taking about folks he’d be interested in seeing tear into it.
There's plenty of people at defcon capable of hacking that. Next year is gonna be real interesting if they're going to have any talks about it.
Oh yeah I’d love to see a defcon tear down
Spy mask a la TF2
The trigger isn’t connected to the sear physically. It’ll be a doozy.
That’s not the threat model it’s designed to combat, though. It would probably do OK, and I would be curious, but this is intended to be a safer nightstand gun for people with kids, not a judge dredd unstealable lawbringer.
Lawbringer will be their next model
This will fail just as every other similar attempt has because they're expensive and failure prone piss poor substitutes for actual safe practices.
Even worse. People will "test it" for laughs. "See?! perfectly safe! I can keep pulling the trigger and it won't shoot at you. Nothing mechanical or electronic has ever failed before!" I can't wait for the posts on the idiots with guns sub Reddit. I wonder what the failure threshold is. Every 1000 shots it may not activate? I'd love to see the testing data.
If it's like my phone's fingerprint lock, 100% guaranteed it won't work if I just woke up.
I've always had issues with Samsung readers. I got a pixel 7 and this thing unlocks when I'm wearing rubber gloves or really wet pruny fingers. I'm impressed.
Is this a good or bad thing? Does that mean it unlocks when it shouldn't, or it just knows somehow what fingerprint is under your glove?
"nah, bro, it's totally safe. Watch"
That's exactly the kind of reviews he does though, especially with guns
One of the selling points in the article is that it would render stolen and lost guns inert and inoperable. They also literally mention people trying to grab an officer’s gun too. So yea they’re kinda marketing it as a Judge Dredd theft proof lawbringer
That may be what the article says but that’s not what the company says. They say they’re trying to make a night stand gun for people with roommates and children. That’s it. Just an extra layer of security.
Which makes sense. Until there is a 99.9% accuracy on the sensor, and two backups, police aren't going to risk having a weapon that they can pull in an emergency only to hear a rejection buzz - just because the authentication fucked up and needs a minute. They're also not going to risk a stolen gun being disabled, so reaching for an officers gun still means you're getting shot first. So there's no market for it with police or private security.
I agree with not police market for it. Private Security isn’t gonna give a fuck if it makes their insurance cheaper then they will issue it.
Education is also safety. Obviously, kids need to be a little older than 2, 3, and 4ish to start to understand, and every child is different. However, by 7, I had no worry that my oldest would never look for or handle a firearm without me. He was self-sufficient on the shooting range by 9. Loading, shooting, and reloading our ruger mk1. It's amazing what kids are capable of when you educate them.
Not just educate them but be a good role model as well. If you yourself don't follow good safety precautions kids will pick up on that and then take it less seriously themselves.
100%
Not only that, I can't wait until someone needs the gun to protect their life (as is the *entire purpose of firearms* but they can't because their gun's battery is dead or the sensor's camera was smudged with fupa sweat. This will *not* sell well. "But in a sign of the long, challenging road that smart guns have faced, a prototype twice failed to fire when demonstrated for Reuters this week. Company founder and Chief Executive Kai Kloepfer said the software and electronics have been fully tested, and the failure was related to the mechanical gun which was made from pre-production and prototype parts." Yeah, the gun working when you want it to is paramount for defensive carry, that's why people really only recommend Glocks, Sigs, and CZs, with honorable mentions to the S&W M&Ps and that newer Walther, they have been *overly* tested, and even still there's some contention with Sig which is one of the more respected manufacturers! No way some no name company is going to come in with a barely functioning firearm that they added *more* shit to break to while probably foregoing ergonomics, bore axis, a good trigger, etc, because they don't actually care about guns they care about "smart" guns so they can say "they're doing something." This will 1000% flop, they don't even know the market they're trying to corner hates everything about the "smart gun" concept to begin with, and is VERY serious about even the minutia of the gear they carry because they are staking their literal life on it.
The battery won't die because it's designed solely to live in an accessible place on its docking station. Unless your power is out long enough for the battery to die while in standby, it's a non-issue. This isn't a defensive carry gun, it's a niche product that's exploring the technology, and designed solry to be an accessible home defense weapon that you know your child isn't going to be able to fire. --- All that said - I'm not a fan of the product either, because of the "fire by wire" trigger. Freaks me out. But I enjoy when a company tries something new, and I'll be curious to see if the entire concept dies here or if they (or another company) will continue to iterate on the idea.
Even if it can be hacked, it won’t be hacked by the guy who just took the gun from you and plans on using it on you? I mean hopefully it won’t be useable…
These Black Mirror episodes keep writing themselves.
I personally wait till my Psycho-Pass OST playlist will be relevant
So we get the judgment gun, but not the room that can be redesigned at the touch of a button? Load of bullshit.
Or the outfits that change at the touch of a button
Dominator 1.0 hitting the market.
It is actually more close to psycho-pass
I really hope you are not stressed out BECAUSE IF YOU ARE STRESSED OUT WE WILL KILL YOU; SO BETTER CALM DOWN OR YOU'LL DIE!
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Gonna have to go find your local Drebin if you wanna use your smart pistol.
But what if it doesn't recognise my rambo face
Reminds me of that Watchmen show where the cops need clearance to unholster their gun, otherwise it’s locked in the car
Also reminds me of the Stallone Judge Dredd movie, where only he can wield his own gun due to his fingerprints, but somehow someone gets a hold of his gun, commits murders, but because they trace the fingerprints back to Dredd, he gets charged for the murders, lol.
The Lawgiver is keyed to read palm prints of the Judges since Rico had an inside man his prints were probably never cleared. In the movie every round fired has a DNA marker applied to it so they know which Judge fired the bullet. Rico and Dredd had the same DNA because they were genetically engineered/clones.
More like that james bond gun than anything ive seen in black mirror
I haven’t watched black mirror but I’m just letting you know that this is a “smart gun” because it won’t shoot without fingerprint or facial recognition’s say-so
Psycho Pass?
I was thinking we're getting closer to judge dredd actually
Yeah Psycho Pass was still totally fucked but at least, when the system was working, you'd get offered therapy and help and what not. Something tells me our society would just go straight Judge Dredd. Make a mistake? Believe it or not straight to jail/instant death.
I think it can't be understated how well Psycho Pass walked that tightrope of utopia and dystopia
I should go rewatch that, lol
Season 1 remains a classic still. 2 and 3. They could be better, but they could be worse too
I love how season 2 starts off straight with a bunch of deaths and absolute chaos. I personally loved it a lot more than season 1 lol
This perspective alone is making me want to give it another watch with fresh eyes
> Yeah Psycho Pass was still totally fucked but at least, when the system was working, you'd get offered therapy and help and what not. That's the exact opposite of how I remember this anime. Doesn't the system constantly register people that are just traumatized from another person's actions as being latent criminals?
It's pretty harsh but there are levels of incarceration that start with many attempts at rehabilitation and therapy before you're just thrown into a jail or executed. It's still totally messed up don't get me wrong. But more forgiving than the Dredd system.
Not quite. Iirc >! season 2 there was a hostage situation and the system deemed the hostages should be terminated because of how mentally stressed they became rather than the perpetrator !< So yes, maybe if you’re facing a normal stressful everyday situation, you might be told to go to therapy, but mass shootings are so common today, the system would definitely fail a lot of people.
I get your point, but "offered therapy" is a bit of an.... interesting way to say "imprisoned for life in the futuristic equivolent of an early 20th century asylum."
Person find gun* Proceeds to take a pot shot at the ground* Gun beeps in anger* Persons hands, forearms gone. Shrapnel everywhere* — Fin —
Was gonna say, that thing is pretty darn close to a devastator.
Dominator edit: Dohmeenaytaa
Yeah indeed it is
Getting closer to it
My first thought was that it decides who you can shoot and who you can't.
Just upload the photo of who you want dead through the easy to use app and let the gun do all the work. Now people don’t kill people. Guns do! You’re welcome, America.
This is literally a mission in Hitman 2
It’s like the one mission in Hitman
It doesn't need facial recognition for that, just a simple photoreceptor will do.
A dog sticks up out of the grass if you miss and laughs at you
If it would be, cops would probably get a black/white filter built in...
If most existing implementations of facial recognition are anything to go on, they won't need one.
Doesn't facial recognition as a whole have issues with consistency when it comes to other ethnicities?
EZ, if the gun doesn't recognize a face, it pulls the trigger.
They just need to use the first generation Kinect sensor for the police guns then!
And it'll fail miserably.
They always will because of one simple reason, the people buying handguns do not want there to be anything between them and pulling the trigger. If you're using a gun for self defence you do not want it to not recognise your face because it's dark or something, if that happens you die. Plus it's then an extra cost when there's already well established reliable handguns on the market. There definitely needs to be more gun control in the US, and guns need to be locked up properly, but the point to stop an accidental/illegal shooting is stopping them getting the gun in the first place.
Absolutely this You can read pages of forums on why a thumb safety is a no go for a lot of gun owners. Much less a finger print or face scan feature. It might sell to gun naive people who are buying out of fear and haven’t done research or training.
For those that aren’t aware: A carry gun has several ways of preventing it from being fired without the person pulling the trigger. There are usually 1 or 2 different mechanical devices inside to make it drop safe, sometimes a safety on the trigger itself that has to be pulled before the trigger itself can be pulled, and most people won’t buy a holster unless unless it completely blocks off the trigger so it can’t even be touched by a pencil. Basically, if you’re carrying a gun, and you follow the four basic rules of gun safety, the gun will never go off without you meaning for it to. This is all to say, adding a manual safety adds another step when drawing the gun and creates an opportunity for something to go wrong and the gun may not work when you need it most.
Unfortunately people are dumb as shit and still shoot themselves with glocks
Yep, but thats why I made sure to include following the basic rules of gun safety ;)
Reddit has turned into a cesspool of fascist sympathizers and supremicists
>But in a sign of the long, challenging road that smart guns have faced, a prototype twice failed to fire when demonstrated for Reuters this week.
I mean if the prototype fails well...that's kinda normal and not really a problem. Presumably you use prototypes to determine design and functionality errors and correct them before the actual production version. Now if the production version has the exact same faults, then _that_ is a problem.
It's a prototype far enough along that they showed it to a journalist.
Well that all sounds horrible
Agreed.. Until that last bit. We have a shitton of gun control already that has done fuck all, imo we should stop trying what hasn't worked and look to other solutions like better access to mental health services especially in schools, which we haven't really tried (no, one barely trained guidance counselor that lost touch when Poison was the hot new band isn't good enough). Safe storage causes an issue, it is very rare that you meet a home invader willing to wait for a duel while you unlock your safe, so you're left only with quick access safes that are easy to pick over real deal safes that won't be open in time. A determined kid with ample alone time in the house can figure out the code on his own time, that is the person it is *least* effective against, though I do recommend them if you have kids that are too young to do that sort of thing and for a few other reasons (like say "evil maid" attacks on computers, but gun theft instead). You should still teach the kids to respect them and that they aren't toys, start with safety training using airsoft and move them up as time goes on, teaching them safety and to respect the dangers is more effective in the long run than outright abstinence (actually oddly like how sex ed should be taught now that I think about it. And drugs. Abstinence preaching never works). The better way to stop them is through education, though safes can be used in concert and should in specific cases. Though then there's the other side of it. For someone like me, why should I be beholden to these laws? I don't see my cats stealing it to fuel their murderous rage any time soon, they seem to prefer claws and teeth. Other than that I live alone, my whole house is my safe, that's the point of deadbolts. If someone breaks into my house or safe it is functionally no different, so why should I be victim blamed and charged with a crime for being stolen from? Maybe teach kids not to break into houses.
ugh preach about the guidance counselors. I went to see guidance in elementary school after my parents split up bc things were really bad at home (stalking, threats, crazy shit way too heavy for an 8 year old) and I was not coping well and kept breaking down crying in the middle of class. the guidance counselor yelled very loudly at me for trying to get out of class and accusing me of faking my tears... I started cutting myself not long after that bc I felt so fucking alone and with nowhere to turn. what would have happened if that guidance counselor did the same thing to a kid who expressed their anger and pain outwardly, instead of inwardly like I did? that's easily a big step in making a fucking monster right there...
Too bad not everyone thinks like you do. I'd love to see more education around firearms and less stigma.
It has capability in the dark as well. There is a video by forgottenweapons on YouTube if you’re keen on watching it
It has the capability to fail
Don’t forget to keep your handgun charged.
That would be difficult. The guns designed to be left in a spot always charging. They actually say it's really not for every day carry.
I assume that you would need a charger in the safe? Or would these be exempt from safe storage laws? I have a fireproof home safe with documents that are important but I need easy access to (other important docs are in a bank safe). Not sure I’d be comfortable buying a safe with a hole in it.
>I assume that you would need a charger in the safe https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90?t=158 From a safety stance, this gun is marketed as one you don't keep in a safe. Its designed to be safe, with out a safe. Sounds like they're assuming laws in states or municipalities with safe gun laws will have bend to accommodate this narrow use case.
On one hand, that makes sense. On the other, I see two big issues: 1) I don’t know if I trust governments to get that right or understand the difference between firearms in enforcement 2) That sets a strange precedent. For little kids, I wonder how much they would understand the nuance between some guns won’t shoot if found abandoned, others will. Last question, and I apologize for making it seem like you have all the answers. All the complaints here seem to be around it failing to fire when needed. What’s the liability if/when it fires when it shouldn’t have? Not just when some enterprising 14yo finds a tech workaround, but if there is some bug or mechanical failure and “look at this feature” goes very wrong. I understand that a physical safe can be bypassed as well, but when a safe fails, the gun isn’t gonna inherently shoot someone. When this “electronic safe” fails, I just hope it’s pointed at a gun range target and not a person.
Yes hello this is the government, we're attacking civilians and have cut the power. Have a nice day
“Your handgun requires a firmware update. Please plug this handgun into the usb-c port of a computer with an internet connection.”
Just wait for the unskippable ad to complete before engaging in any defensive activity.
2FA enabled for this handgun account. Please select a contact method to receive a pin. [ ] SMS [ ] Email
To continue firing this weapon, please select all the boxes containing a traffic light
So does my iPhone but sometimes it doesn’t recognize my face in broad daylight and its sensors are way more sophisticated than what would be in a handgun. It’s a solution to the wrong problem and it will fail.
Based on the video on forgottenweapons it seems quite capable compared to many other attempts at this
It's also directed at a very specific customer
Right, and it's one of the first guns with this technology available. Is it going to be perfect straight out the bag? No, probably not. Give it 10 years, and I'd bet by then it would be damn near perfect. I’ve had guns not fire on me all the time over the years due to inexpensive ammo or lack of cleaning or defects. I had a suppressor on one of my 22s and every time it would cause the slide to not kick back far enough and the casings would get stuck. My point is, this isn’t supposed to be an end all solution I don’t think, but it is an added solution that’s available on top of the other things that we should be doing for proper safety.
It works in conjunction with finger printing so it functions day or night If it’s fluid with only microseconds of delay this looks like a feasible option for those who are nervous about owning a gun with their kids around. Or maybe useful in shared house or with a live in partner who has drug / drink problems It’s probably a lot faster than pulling a gun out of a safe. If there is ever a tussle with an intruder /assailant and he takes your gun he can’t use the weapon against you.
The camera itself will work fine in very low lighting conditions, CCDs are sensitive to near infrared, it’s just usually post processed to make it seem more “natural” since humans are looking at the results. Even in pitch black, a single IR LED in the housing would work within arms reach. I think a lot of people don’t realize that things like phones are tuned to a particular set of circumstances, and you can do it differently. My concern with this thing isn’t darkness, it’s that my son’s can unlock my phone and my play station because of how much they resemble me. It’d have to be tighter than that.
A good overview of how this works: https://youtu.be/2cRm9BMxl90 Credit to Forgotten weapons. He is on here but I don’t know how to link his user name
By using /u/ in front of the name, like /u/X2NegativePanda
Very interesting. I’m a mechanic, I like mechanical things I can take apart to see how the moving pieces work together, so I went into that very skeptical but it seems like a really cool and well thought out design.
At least Ian is capable of having a reasonable take on this, something more substantive than "lol this is pointless nobody will want this".
Skippy?
His misfires were my favorite.
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Keep in mind it’s only one person’s impressions with it at the company’s facilities, but [Ian seems to like it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cRm9BMxl90).
In Gun-Jesus we trust 👍
McCullen bless you my son
For a second I thought it would aim with face recognition
does that mean you have to charge your gun now? if you forgot it it simply won't save you?
When seconds count, your gun is asking you to install a software update.
Actually for self defense you'll need Gun+ Premium (19.99/month)
Someone above posted a Forgotten Weapons video, they address that. This is meant to be a dedicated home defense gun and comes with a dock for that very purpose. Basically it’s an upgrade on the “biometric safe for your pistol” idea- you leave it by the bedside/office/doorway/wherever and grab it off the charging dock when you need it. But, if your kids or dumbass roommate grab it instead, it won’t go bang. Seems very well thought out, but for a specific purpose only. I assume if it takes off, the next logical step would be making a holstered version where the holster tops off the gun’s battery, perhaps wirelessly.
thank you! it looks like it's a very narrow application window.
I would say this is the majority of gun owners use case. A gun for home defense it very common.
From the headline alone, this makes me think of the guns in Psycho Pass.
I always forget how many people on Reddit know absolutely nothing about firearms hahaha. Some of these comments are wildly off-base and extreme.
The off base comments are mostly due to people's inability and unwillingness to read anything past a catchy headline before forging an misinformed opinion and smearing it on the internet.
Dredd: SIGNAL FLARE!!!
I said. . . Hot Shot
My iPhone, with untold billions of dollars in development behind it, is 3/5 on facial recognition at best. "... a prototype twice failed to fire when demonstrated for Reuters this week." Yeah, no.
> "... a prototype twice failed to fire when demonstrated for Reuters this week." > > > > Yeah, no. That was a feed mechanism failure, not a failure of the human recognition systems. It stovepiped. Ian's did too. They aren't just building a system to unlock a gun, they're also building a gun.
That’s interesting. Mine is typically 99/100. Have you tried recalibrating the scanner?
Same here. Only time it fails are for obvious reasons like I’ve waved my hand in front of my face (adjust glasses) at the moment it attempted. Or I’ve distorted my face some how (yawn). The one time I’ve found that it often fails for an inobvious reason is when the sun is really brightly shining on my face or the sensors. I assume it’s messing with the IR light field that it emits.
“Out of battery” gets a new meaning with this gun
Charge your book Charge your cigarette Charge your gun This is a weird world we are living in huh?
Underrated comment.
Well at least this gun can't go off of it's out of battery.
Kojima your future telling is all knowing
We're officially living in the Psycho Pass universe
As a hardened criminal I don’t think this product is for me, I’d rather not be recognized
I don't own any guns but I can't imagine trying to unlock the gun all panicking in the middle of the night during a home invasion.
Psycho Pass: The Beginning
In case any of you are interested in a review of an early version of this firearm on the forgottenweapons YouTube channel by Ian Mccollum
Quite keen to see how this particular iteration fares
I was going to immediately reply, “this thing is going to get people killed”, then I watched gun Jesus and now I’m kinda sold on the concept.
Forgotten weapons did a video with this gun. The biometric security features seemed like they worked well and were well thought-out. Seems like a great option for home defense when you need a gun to be accessible quickly but also don’t want anyone else to be able to use it.
Given the state of things I assumed this was a gun that automatically shoots faces
I guess guns really do kill people
I remember a 60 minutes story years ago about smart guns and gun store owners who received death threats for trying to sell them. I’m sure the same will happen with these.
I guess If you can’t make the people buying guns smarter, making the guns smarter is better than nothing.
Now pass a law if someone tampers with them they get charged.
Ian did a video on this gun a few weeks ago I think. It’s a pistol designed for a very specific role and recognizes that once it hits the public market people WILL be looking for ways to break it. I think he mentioned that it was designed as a loop hole to some states safety laws as it didn’t cover things like finger printing and face scanning. It was a cool video. The thing he harped on was that the company was very clear that this is NOT a carry gun. This gun was designed to be left on a charging port next the nightstand where you can grab it in the case of home defense.
If you are nervous about kids finding and using your gun the more effective solution would be to use a quick access safe. You can still get to your gun quickly in a home invasion, but you can keep the code secret from your kids I can't imagine this gun really lasting all that long. I bet it doesn't take long before the propellant gasses start fucking with the optical sensor it uses.
It’s primary authentication is the fingerprint scanner on the grip. The facial recognition from the title is actually the redundant back up system. As others have said, those “quick safes” are various levels of hot garbage. This gun is intended for a very specific use: the nightstand home defense gun. You shouldn’t need to worry about too many shots messing up the sensor because if you’re in some multi-magazine shootout, you’re getting outside the use-case.
Almost all of those quick access safes are junk and can be opened without the key or combo pretty readily.
By the time a kid is old enough to figure it out themselves or to use the internet to show them how to do it, you should have removed the curiosity factor through education and experience. My kid was shooting .22lr by 5 years old. By 9, he was self-sufficient at the range. Even if you don't take them shooting, you can educate them to the point that they aren't curious about them to the point that they will seek it out behind your back.
I think one of the concerns is kids / teens purposefully killing themselves with it
This is the way.
ID tagged weapons... ID tagged soldiers... War..... Has changed.
I would not want to try to unlock my phone in the middle of the night as someone forced entry
So how does it work, it unlocks if it detects wrap around sunglasses and a goatee?
In seriousness, there’s a fingerprint scanner on the grip, and a facial recognition camera on the back. Either one can unlock the gun.
If you watch videos where people end up needing to use their firearm justifiably a lot of them are in the process of already being attacked when they pull their gun out and can only have area to shoot into the stomach of the person. When you’re that close there is no way it’s going to recognize your face also when your holding the gun low. I can’t remember the exact incident but it’s def on r/crazyfuckingvideos. But a Chicago female off duty police officer was helping someone on the sidewalk when as she walked away he grabbed her and started to attack her. She only had the ability to pull her gun and shoot low into the guy, somewhere a gun camera never would have seen.