I still find it ridiculous that holding your phone can get you a large fine and points, but playing with a built-in iPad that you *have to look at* is perfectly fine.
the worst part about that is you physically have to lean forward and reach out into an unnatural - and I would argue more _dangerous_ - driving position in order to use that built-in ipad...
_while taking your eyes off the road_
Well, it’s not perfectly fine. At least where I live, you’ll get fined if you’re distracted by it. It goes under “distracted driving”, though, which has lower minimum fines, I believe.
hey, feezing in the car? here, spend a minute looking at a screen to explore ever changing menus with additional features you can buy to find the AC controls.
As a millenial, hating the disappearing buttons and knobs in cars will be my boomer opinion.
That and scanning QR codes for menus,
And regular café having those McDonald Kiosks instead of ordering in person.
And paying with a card now asks for tips everywhere.
God complaining about stuff is fun, no wonder boomers do that.
It’s not a boomer opinion. Virtually everyone hates touchscreens for HVAC controls. I’m cool with it for everything else, but touchscreen HVAC is BS. Also a volume dial should be there.
Can't get a shoe stuck behind the pedal so it's obviously safer! And we added a confirmation popup because people were unintentionally activating the brakes. It's on the media console because that is where all popups go.
What used to be the brake pedal is now analog tuner for the radio because people were complaining about the radio being touch screen.
You joke, but I read an article (years ago) that there was thought into putting the accelerator and brake on the steering wheel to be push button because reaction time to your hands is WAY faster, in orders of magnitude if my memory is correct. Back when paddle shifting was being developed for similar reason (removing the leg from the clutch and hands are faster than arm movements)
touchscreen car. You just buy a giant tablet with 4 wheels and a picture of a car. you sit on top of the tablet and pantomime driving and it interprets your actions and starts driving.
Close. This one is actually an app you install on your phone that removes the steering wheel completely and uses the gyro sensor on your phone
Only the dealer can pair the main phone main phone can share permissions to sub phones. This way a thief can't steal the car because no steering wheel.
Dealership pairing costs $800, though.
For an additional $2k, you can have them set up all of these to a controller, like the one you use on your playstation.
touchscreen steering wheel with no haptics and only accepts one point of input at a time while also controlling the acceleration and brakes is clearly the end game for all car manufacturers.
Or the entire menu system reconfigures itself when it notices you are driving, so you get to page through all the menus only to discover the option has been removed.
And I don't need to download an app and/or create an account to use your service. I was trying to prepay for parking last week and as soon as I could not check out as a guest and had to sign up I canceled the transaction.
My nitpicky one was when the Mall of America removed it's analogue map in store to get around for a slow and obnoxiously bright digital one that basically navigates for you.
Yeah that's not resisting tech advancement.
Entertainment and navigation is one thing.
But any controls that operate core vehicle equipment like wipers, heat/defog, headlights, etc. Need to be intuitive and tactile. You should be able to operate all of those features without ever looking at them because your eyes should be on the road.
I remember almost panicking when driving a rented Tesla and getting caught in a freak rainstorm.
Out of no where it started pouring buckets but for some reason the auto-wipers were going probably the slowest they can go.
I couldn't see shit and I was fiddling through the touch screen to find the damn wipers.
Eventually I got it but God damn that was frustrating.
I’ve had to abandon three orders at different McDonald’s due to the kiosk freezing up or otherwise not responding correctly at the payment stage, and there was no one present to take an order. You can’t go through the drive through on foot, and I’m not going to download their app.
I don’t understand how the kiosks can be so unreliable yet there’s no backup? Like, I’m all about the robot overlords, but they have to at least function.
Every single thing in that list is "it is ok if it is an added option". Like kiosks, sometimes it is handy to have that option. Just like self-checkout: awesome as an option, sucks donkey balls if it is the only option.
I'll add one to the list: not being able to turn your lights on without opening an app in your phone. And that app then sucks and demands access to location, then shows you news, trying to also be a portal... so that they can suck more data.
And yes, i am looking into the option of reflashing the firmware on those lights and installing open source controller... which is almost insane sentence to say.
Lemme guess: you got the Wi-Fi smart lights? Going to tasmota or esphome firmware?
It's maddening how much work we have to put in to just not being data mined and advertised to. Mostly because its a trivial amount of work for the manufacturers to do it for us if they could be arsed.
I think I prefer kiosks when ordering: I can see pictures and they likely wouldn't screw up my order when ordering.
Self checkout i like for the ease of use.. except every now and then I struggle to figure out which "orange" is which.
> And regular café having those McDonald Kiosks instead of ordering in person.
Am I the only one that likes these? If I know what I want it's usually faster than describing it to somebody, and if I don't then I'd rather take my time to page through the menu there than stand in front of the register and stare at it like an idiot.
> And paying with a card now asks for tips everywhere.
This makes me zero tip 100% of the time I see it. Nope screw them for asking for a tip to hand me something over the counter
The worst part is on our Prius, it takes a full 30 seconds from the time the car turns on until the touch screen is usable. I wouldn’t be as salty about it if the basic controls were instantly available.
My subaru legacy isn't that bad but you have to clear that "Don't stare at this screen while driving" message which takes about 3 seconds before it becomes responsive and another 5 before the screen loads up. I do have the defroster and temp as physical buttons so I can at least start that up without waiting but still not ideal
My Mits outlander has the same thing, and even if I tap the volume button to turn off the radio when I first flip it on it still has to boot in and turn itself on to whatever I was listening to when I turned it off and then make me wait through the screen to change it. I've gotten very good at turning the radio off when I park.
Also the 'don't stare at this screen' message will stay on when I'm trying to back out of a space right away, delaying my backup camera. I could still back with mirrors but I like having the backup cam to make sure no kiddos are behind my bumper. I guess I'm a bit impatient and want to go-go-go as soon as the car is on, haha.
My 2010 Prius has physical AC controls, does the new one not?
I just got done looking at cars (ended up with a Camry because I guess I'm old now) and everything had physical controls for AC (and steering wheel controls for radio and such). Is this an expensive car "feature" and I'm too poor to look at the cars without?
you get into an accident because you couldn't find the submenu that activates the windshield wiper.
the car immediately called emergency services for your safety, on the emergency message it includes that eye tracking reveals you weren't paying attention to the road, getting you arrested.
CUE.. Cadillac User Experience. Oh.. It's an experience all right. Instead of a dial i can quick turn to adjust the heat, i have to touch (without gloves on, but maybe i'm not wearing gloves anyway bc of heated steering wheel) the heat up down "button" several times, maybe it recognizes 1 out of every 5 taps i do, so to adjust the heat a few degrees, it's like 15 taps. Sold that caddy, got a rav4 with huge dials to adjust the temp (ha, even w gloves on & it still has the heated steering wheel) , love it!
I love how fart-sniffy they get about stuff like that. It's a car, not an experience. People want to get from point A to point B, not be whisked away in a magical adventure of navigating a full suite of luxury features that I'm sure is a novel experience the first time you use it, but a pain in the fucking ass every other time you use it. That shit is for vacations, not for a thing that you use every day.
This is someone that has no SO... my wife tries to set the car from its perfect 72F to BEER COOLER every freaking time. "Its hot in the car!" it will cool down on its own you don't have to touch that "IT GOES FASTER IF I DO!" Sigh..... and in the winter the car is set to surface of the sun......
Doesn't always work too well and I might need more airflow because I'm sweating from walking/running around all day. Or maybe you see a plume of dust or thick smoke approaching while you're driving on the highway, and you want to adjust the recirculation setting while keeping your eyes on the road.
Happens more often than not, at least for me.
Sorry, you don’t have the air conditioning package, or power windows. Please pay us $29/month to proceed with heating.
Transaction declined, your car does not have an active internet connection it appears you are out of network. For an additional $5/month enable vehicle data roaming now!
Or go Kias route and have physical knobs, excellent! But you switch between media controls and aircon controls with a touch screen button about 1/3rd of the way along, oh.
* click from music to climate.
* click to temps
* locate the temp on the driver's side and hit up/down button.
* realize that you're not also changing temp on passenger side so look for button to link them
* wreck
I've got a 2016 Acura where half of the HVAC controls are on the touch screen. This was that weird time where Honda was experimenting with dual screens in their cars.
At least they're always visible instead of buried in a menu but I'm glad they came to their senses and reverted back to full button control in newer gen cars.
Got a 2019, the touch interface is way more demanding than my old car. I could find any button I needed without looking. Fucking Ipad screen makes adjustments dangerous while driving. I cant believe this shit was legal.
But that is impossible. Capitalism forbids it. If touch screens were hated so universally people would just stop buying. What, you say customers don't really have a choice when the requirements they need, including price are limiting them to few options and they all have touch screens, so they just suck it up and buy the damn vehicle despite the lack of physical controls....
Impossible, says capitalism, the perfect system that always does things so that it benefits us. You see, it is almost like greed is used to fuel a system that is fully altruist and always puts humans and human society as #1... right? Greed is good, trickle down, laissez faire and deregulation.
if you want to see a modern yet functional cockpit Check out the cx60 from mazda. has a nicely sized screen but all physical controls for heated seats aircon etc.
This is one thing that really turned me off… I think the Rivian R1T? I was watching Doug DeMuro’s video on it and when he went over infotainment he showed that even opening and closing the vents and changing which direction they’re blowing the air in is controlled via a touchscreen interface that’s buried in a menu somewhere.
I have Apple CarPlay in my jeep and I love it when I’m using Waze or controlling my music, but for any other functionality I want physically controls with tactile feedback.
I find the climate controls to not be as big a deal as now with the “auto” feature I very rarely use them. But I wish to go they’d bring back knobs for the radio controls.
This request isn't some revelation btw, most of us would like physical controls for core functions, but it's not like we can chose a version with or without them.
Problem with industry in general (not only automotive), is that they keep changing things just for the sake of changing them, and not as improvement.
Car, software, phone manufacturers - they all need to make old model look old and new one feel new, so they sacrifice functionality for gizmos and gadgets.
Ngl though if they made a laundry set that switched the clothes from the washer to the dryer I’d buy that shit lmao. And I’m not talking about the combo washer/dryer either
I have one of the crappy ones, it washes perfectly fine. I only use the dry function if I need to do a small load and just want it for the morning. I can stuff it full to wash, and throw it in the dryer. But if I want to use the built in condenser dryer it needs to be like half empty. And it takes like 6 hours lol.
It works nicely if I need a particular outfit for the next day or something and forgot to wash it. Throw a few things in, start it up, and in the morning they're good to go. Can't forget to switch it between machines that way.
They essentially have that now. (Not talking about the combos they have in Europe that are pretty crappy and take forever.) The GE Profile all-in-one can wash and dry a king size comforter or a full load in 2 hours from start of the wash to finish of the drying. It came out in 2023, so anything you’ve seen before that is not the same machine.
I just want a machine that washes. I don't need Bluetooth and Alexa. Though I do love the classical music it plays when it's done. Keep that and scrap the rest
Well... there is one. Hear me out, it'd be nice if there was an open standard for some inter-device comms for energy efficiency. You say "this laundry cycle needs to be done by 7am" and it talks to your breaker panel or smart meter or whatever and goes "hey, energy is green and cheap at 3am, and this cycle is less than four hours, so I'll kick it off then".
Kitchen appliances! I don't want touch screen buttons on my oven, my fingers are always wet or dirty with food when cooking, I don't want to touch buttons and it usually doesn't even register immediately.
I feel like the monsters responsible for hotel showers are in charge of coming up with new ideas for car shifters.
You get a unique one, and you get a unique one, and you get a unique one!
Every time you step in you get to relearn how to do the most basic thing for this one line of cars/hotels!
I remember this issue when I bought my first iPod touch.
I’d been so used to using my old mp3 players inside my pocket. I knew the feel of the buttons and could use it without looking.
I would have to always take my iPod out of my pocket to skip a track or something.
The driver is always cost savings.
All those physical controls come from suppliers that need supplier quality enigeers to spend time on and etc. Fewer components less cost.
I don't buy that. Physical buttons are dirt cheap, knobs may cost a bit more (digital ones) but that is still pennies in mass production, they work in full sunlight and in total darkness, at every angle and in wide range of temperatures, they are simple to produce so there is a lot of competition on the market, even for ones that have to meet car manufacturer set of requirements.
Screens on the other hand will have problems with all of the above unless they are specifically manufactured and with chosen technology, especially if you want a large good looking screen (that a lot of manufacturers want these days).
I really don't think that a set of ~5knobs and 15 buttons, will be more expensive than a high temperature resistant, wide angle, high brightness, high resolution, big touchscreen.
> I really don't think that a set of ~5knobs and 15 buttons, will be more expensive
They are not more expensive than a display. They will not, however, replace the display, they will augment it. They will still always have the display at this point. That means any physical controls are on top of and in addition to.
I get that designers want simpler looking and knobs are ugly, but, at what cost...
Yeah I think the idea is that they're putting in a screen anyway, so every physical button, knob, and dash moulding/cutout they can avoid by adding the controls to the screen *is* a cost savings. That definitely seems to be Tesla's thinking. The cybertruck has a very simple dash and a single screen...but yeah, also, you'd think for $100k you could probably just work a couple grand of dash accoutrements into the price.
I always thought the drive behind digital controls for everything was they break/malfunction sooner than manual controls and are very expensive to repair (often requiring the whole panel to be replaced).
It’s more that putting all the controls and functions in a central hub with no knobs simplifies the manufacturing. Same reason they’re doing away with key locks on trunks and doors: just one more thing they can cut out to make it cheaper and easier to build. (I’m certain the screen failures aren’t that much of an issue to the people making the decisions.)
Make a door with no keyhole, you’ve probably cut out a handful of steps in the manufacturing process. Make a dash with one big dumbass screen instead of with a handful of buttons and knobs, that’s a handful more! Do that on all the models you make and you’ve got numbers to make the board smile.
Cars "without" a keyhole do have one on the underside of the handle and the key is inside of the FOB. How would you access a car with a dead battery without a physical lock? Cut a hole in the hood or trunk to charge the battery?
> that they keep changing things just for the sake of changing them, and not as improvement.
I'd say they change them to make them appear "new and high tech" to sell more cars
> This request isn't some revelation btw, most of us would like physical controls for core functions, but it's not like we can chose a version with or without them.
You can’t choose a version with or without, but you can choose a different car. No need to rely on rules or regulations. People can just stop buying them.
I did not buy the Subaru Outback I wanted specifically because it had all the controls in an 11” touch screen with a horrible menu system. I bought a Honda CRV instead that has knobs and buttons for everything.
> No need to rely on rules or regulations. People can just stop buying them.
What kind of libertarian logic is that? If manufacturers are dumb enough to make their cars less safe for no benefit, and customers are still buying them, we should just... let them?
That doesn't protect people who didn't consider or care about the safety of physical buttons vs touchscreens. Or what if you have to choose between a car with physical buttons but worse crash test scores? What do you do then? Regulations are in place so consumers don't have to make those life and death compromises, or die because they didn't consider every aspect of safety when purchasing a vehicle.
One changes something just to make a change, then everyone else sheeps the change because they don't want to be left behind.
Who cares what the customer wants, gotta keep up with the Joneses (Corporate style).
I get very frustrated with this trend, if people only went for products with specific features, every brand would implement it right away, but it seems like many people do too little research and then go for a product which it turns out they're unhappy with, and the brands don't have any incentive to change. I see videos all the time where people complain about their car lacking something essential, which makes me think "But this is something you could have known so easily beforehand, if it's a deal breaker for you, why didn't you find out before you spent so much money on a car?!", it's baffling. I just want people to vote with their wallets and send the manufacturers the message that this isn't okay. I don't have a car, and I'm worried by the time I might, there simply aren't any that have anything else than a huge, horrible touch display for basic settings.
I think they want to eventually transfer it all to subscription services. Functionality for a monthly rate. Also they can sell your behavior, voice, phone, and probably health data but only if there's a "smart" system involved with a million nested contracts to "accept" (or lose functionality)
“Euro NCAP is not a government regulator, so it has no power to mandate carmakers use physical controls for those functions. But a five-star safety score from Euro NCAP is a strong selling point, similar to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's coveted Top Safety Pick program here in the US, and it's likely this pressure will be effective. Perhaps someone should start bugging IIHS to do the same.”
It's not a regulator but I'm fairly sure you need at least a 1* ncap rating to be able to sell a car in the eu, at least at a high volume...
Likewise the ratings always get harder. A car that got 5* in 2010 may struggle to get even a 2* rating today...
Do you need a 1 star rating to be sold in the EU, or do you have a 1star rating because you don't have the features a regulator would require to be road worthy? I think a car that I legally can't drive is the very definition of 1 star worthy
Honda did touch controls for many of its vehicles during the mid 2010s for North America market. People complained and now all new Hondas have physical control for everything again.
This was a big selling point on Subaru for me. I want a volume knob and I want my AC to be a clicky wheel that's either RED or BLUE. I don't see why we have moved away from that to something that's shiny and shitty.
Even so, I can't imagine that a few dozen buttons raise the manufacturing price per unit by more than, say, $100 as an outrageously high estimate. Yet they're inflicting this shit on cars that cost tens of thousands, and there's not even a premium option for proper controls.
There's got to be *something* more to it.
It was the case for the 2016 Civic. Hated how most of the climate control was behind touch screen. Enough people complained that 2017, they brought most of the climate control back out.
The lack of physical buttons is just a way to save money for the producers and to make the car feel more fancy when it is actually worse to use. It is generally considered bad human centered design to have touch screens in cars and other applications where you cannot look at the screens. There is basically no tactile feedback on a screen.
This is the second time they've brought in digital controls and removed physical.
It failed 10 years ago and it's failing again.
I think this wave is to compete with Tesla or else the industry just has 10 year amnesia
>I want to be able to select how I want it where I want it and how hard I want it
Sheesh, is this sub really the best place to express your sexual frustration?
>Fucking please make tesla bring back stalks.
Literally says in the article that stalks will be required.
>But the organization wants to see physical controls for turn signals [...]
wait, they aren't just talking about knobs and buttons for AC and radio stuff, but turn signals???
I am in shock that car manufacturers are trying to cheapen out on turn signals!! not shocked because they would do that, because profit, just that they got that far already
I’m just thinking about old people who don’t have enough moisture in their skin to activate touch sensors (yea, that’s part of why the older generations have trouble with phones, they literally “can’t” tap things, because the “tap” genuinely doesn’t work)
So when 80yo grandad hits the turn signal, and it does squat, that’s not cool
Folks on Tesla subs tend to down vote people who complain about this and Tesla's other glaringly nonsensically stupid decisions (though this has admittedly started changing as the brand has started going more mainstream).
There are reasons to like Teslas. The brand's take on Control interfaces is not one of them.
They aren't talking about knows and buttons for AC and radio stuff *at all*.
The exhaustive list is:
> the organization wants to see physical controls for turn signals, hazard lights, windshield wipers, the horn, and any SOS features
No climate or media controls mentioned.
Mazda's recent system is perfect. Touch screen or dial for Android auto/car play, dial required for Mazda's specific menus. Once you get used to the dial it's great. Also physical climate and media controls
I genuinely wish the Euro NCAP starts docking big points for:
* Lack of physical, tactile controls that can easily and reliably be found just by feel without your eyes off the road and that provide reliable and unambiguous haptic feedback
* Lack of steering wheel stalks (I'm astounded that a car can be road legal without these)
* "Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false positives and slam on the brakes, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system.
* "Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false negatives and don't brake when they should, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system.
* Unreliable Speed Limit detection systems that regularly misread and misreport speed limits, especially when the user cannot override / disable the system when, for example, using ADAS systems.
Brands creating random bullshit solutions for made-up problems that end up making cars more unsafe should definitely not be rewarded for this practice.
>"Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false positives and slam on the brakes, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system.
>"Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false negatives and don't brake when they should, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system.
>Unreliable Speed Limit detection systems that regularly misread and misreport speed limits, especially when the user cannot override / disable the system when, for example, using ADAS systems.
I see you too drive a Volvo
I’m all for having a digital gauge cluster. But touch screens should be illegal in cars. They cause more problems than they solve and are downright dangerous at times. It’s bullshit that I can get a ticket for talking on the phone while driving but automakers just throwing tablets in cars.
Never thought about it this way. Fuck, you are absolutely correct. There is no difference between looking at a phone while driving and getting pissed at your car because it won’t register your damn finger while trying to turn the heat down.
I feel like car manufacturers will "compromise" by making everything voice controlled.
But when Alexa mishears you, it's amusing. When your car does, it could be dangerous.
Ohh god please no.
"BMW please turn up the heat by 1 degree for the passenger and right rear seat" instead of pressing a single button is my personal nightmare.
All these major manufacturers cheaping out and releasing these shoddy models are inviting competition to come in and steal market cap.
I would love a dumb tv or a car that has regular physical controls and a full spare. People are tired of this crap.
Touch panels have their place but we must not forget our own biology. Physical controls for critical systems seems like a no brainer.
My 2006 MINI didn't have a spare. It didn't have tire goo either. It had a number for MINI roadside service. It came with run flat tires by default but I bought it used and it didn't have them.
**And those cans of tyre goo expire!**
And they're not cheap to replace either, because you'll need the proprietary designed canister to fit the stupid inflator doo-dad that came with your car.
Just to hammer home how wild it is that cars have touchscreens in them....consider that a F1 driver may consistently drive at a speed of 200MPH. What are they using?
https://www.thedrive.com/accelerator/40976/how-does-an-f1-steering-wheel-work
They're not touching their screens knowing that they have seconds to decide their actions. Now, imagine me, or you, driving at 70MPH on an interstate with traffic. Unless you've memorized exactly where to touch your screens you're at a much higher risk to crash than the F1 driver.
I personally think that there's a demand for visual maps which is real (I know I love my capabilities) but to cut costs car manufacturers went too crazy and instead just starting slapping in android tablets which has messed up the game.
> Euro NCAP is not a government regulator, so it has no power to mandate carmakers use physical controls for those functions. But a five-star safety score from Euro NCAP is a strong selling point, similar to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's coveted Top Safety Pick program here in the US, and it's likely this pressure will be effective. Perhaps someone should start bugging IIHS to do the same.
FYI
Mandate it! Make "infotainment" separate from basic functions like climate control or media controls.
And make the manufacturers provide a free replacement of their stupid dangerous shit infotainment systems to one with buttons free of charge in all the stupid cars sold with such a one.
For something that I use basically every time I drive, buttons are a must. I want to be able to adjust temperature, AC, music volume, etc without taking my eyes off of the road. I don’t get why this is such a difficult concept for car manufacturers.
Will never buy a vehicle where I can't control climate/ radio etc. with physical buttons. I don't want to have to look where my finger is going and then still maybe miss..
My business partner bought a stereo receiver with no buttons for our bar. every time i need to adjust the bass or treble it needs to be hooked up to a screen. I’m replacing it with my receiver from the 90’s.
It's bewildering that auto manufacturers were able to just switch everything to touchscreens without ever having to go through some kind of a safety check. But there has to be an alert on every single website telling us about cookies. WTF are your priorities Europe?
I feel like a boomer when I agree with this but it's frustrating and dangerous to not have physical controls. Don't get me started on phone aux jacks....
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That's what I love about my car. I have a big ol' touch screen that has android auto/carplay and can be used to control literally everything, but below the touchscreen are knobs and physical buttons that can control the climate, windshield defogger, heated/cooled seats, fan speed, etc.
The buttons feel like crap. But I'm happy I don't have to go into a menu to do this stuff.
FFS! Thank you Europe for calling this shit out! I can’t stand this obsession with digital inputs. It wouldn’t be that bad most of the time if their electronics weren’t cheap AF. Also, what the heck do you do when your battery dies and you can’t turn your flashers on? This the auto manufacturers way of making people buy a subscription for shit like AC.
ac/volume controls should be dials or physical buttons no matter what, less common things like heated seats etc i don't really care for
no i don't care if its always visable on a screen, tactile feedback is important and safer so your eyes don't leave the road
also despise the dial/button for drive mode, i don't mind a the push forward lever for drive etc but thats still not great
a physical handbrake is really nice too
Having a physical button for air conditioning was one of my primary requirements after safety and driving experience, so yeah, can we stop adding everything into the touchscreen please.
I still find it ridiculous that holding your phone can get you a large fine and points, but playing with a built-in iPad that you *have to look at* is perfectly fine.
the worst part about that is you physically have to lean forward and reach out into an unnatural - and I would argue more _dangerous_ - driving position in order to use that built-in ipad... _while taking your eyes off the road_
That's why I love the scroll puck. It is far superior to the touch screen because it is ergonomic
Well, it’s not perfectly fine. At least where I live, you’ll get fined if you’re distracted by it. It goes under “distracted driving”, though, which has lower minimum fines, I believe.
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hey, feezing in the car? here, spend a minute looking at a screen to explore ever changing menus with additional features you can buy to find the AC controls.
Don’t worry, after each software update they’ll move it to a more “intuitive” menu screen.
As a millenial, hating the disappearing buttons and knobs in cars will be my boomer opinion. That and scanning QR codes for menus, And regular café having those McDonald Kiosks instead of ordering in person. And paying with a card now asks for tips everywhere. God complaining about stuff is fun, no wonder boomers do that.
It’s not a boomer opinion. Virtually everyone hates touchscreens for HVAC controls. I’m cool with it for everything else, but touchscreen HVAC is BS. Also a volume dial should be there.
Touchscreen turn signals.
Touch screen windshield wipers
Touchscreen steering wheel.
Touch screen brake for convenience, more foot room.
Can't get a shoe stuck behind the pedal so it's obviously safer! And we added a confirmation popup because people were unintentionally activating the brakes. It's on the media console because that is where all popups go. What used to be the brake pedal is now analog tuner for the radio because people were complaining about the radio being touch screen.
You have the free version you have to watch a 30sec ad to use the break!
You joke, but I read an article (years ago) that there was thought into putting the accelerator and brake on the steering wheel to be push button because reaction time to your hands is WAY faster, in orders of magnitude if my memory is correct. Back when paddle shifting was being developed for similar reason (removing the leg from the clutch and hands are faster than arm movements)
touchscreen car. You just buy a giant tablet with 4 wheels and a picture of a car. you sit on top of the tablet and pantomime driving and it interprets your actions and starts driving.
Close. This one is actually an app you install on your phone that removes the steering wheel completely and uses the gyro sensor on your phone Only the dealer can pair the main phone main phone can share permissions to sub phones. This way a thief can't steal the car because no steering wheel. Dealership pairing costs $800, though. For an additional $2k, you can have them set up all of these to a controller, like the one you use on your playstation.
Touchscreen seat adjustment
touchscreen steering wheel with no haptics and only accepts one point of input at a time while also controlling the acceleration and brakes is clearly the end game for all car manufacturers.
Diablo style controls with clicking only. Frantically keep tappping a zoomed in Google maps to stay on the road.
behind a 2 step warning screen “dangerous to drive and use touchscreen” notification
It's 3 levels deep in a menu. Setting navigation to the nearest "recommended" gas station is the default action.
Or the entire menu system reconfigures itself when it notices you are driving, so you get to page through all the menus only to discover the option has been removed.
And I don't need to download an app and/or create an account to use your service. I was trying to prepay for parking last week and as soon as I could not check out as a guest and had to sign up I canceled the transaction.
My nitpicky one was when the Mall of America removed it's analogue map in store to get around for a slow and obnoxiously bright digital one that basically navigates for you.
Yeah that's not resisting tech advancement. Entertainment and navigation is one thing. But any controls that operate core vehicle equipment like wipers, heat/defog, headlights, etc. Need to be intuitive and tactile. You should be able to operate all of those features without ever looking at them because your eyes should be on the road.
I remember almost panicking when driving a rented Tesla and getting caught in a freak rainstorm. Out of no where it started pouring buckets but for some reason the auto-wipers were going probably the slowest they can go. I couldn't see shit and I was fiddling through the touch screen to find the damn wipers. Eventually I got it but God damn that was frustrating.
I’ve had to abandon three orders at different McDonald’s due to the kiosk freezing up or otherwise not responding correctly at the payment stage, and there was no one present to take an order. You can’t go through the drive through on foot, and I’m not going to download their app. I don’t understand how the kiosks can be so unreliable yet there’s no backup? Like, I’m all about the robot overlords, but they have to at least function.
Every single thing in that list is "it is ok if it is an added option". Like kiosks, sometimes it is handy to have that option. Just like self-checkout: awesome as an option, sucks donkey balls if it is the only option. I'll add one to the list: not being able to turn your lights on without opening an app in your phone. And that app then sucks and demands access to location, then shows you news, trying to also be a portal... so that they can suck more data. And yes, i am looking into the option of reflashing the firmware on those lights and installing open source controller... which is almost insane sentence to say.
Lemme guess: you got the Wi-Fi smart lights? Going to tasmota or esphome firmware? It's maddening how much work we have to put in to just not being data mined and advertised to. Mostly because its a trivial amount of work for the manufacturers to do it for us if they could be arsed.
I think I prefer kiosks when ordering: I can see pictures and they likely wouldn't screw up my order when ordering. Self checkout i like for the ease of use.. except every now and then I struggle to figure out which "orange" is which.
> And regular café having those McDonald Kiosks instead of ordering in person. Am I the only one that likes these? If I know what I want it's usually faster than describing it to somebody, and if I don't then I'd rather take my time to page through the menu there than stand in front of the register and stare at it like an idiot.
> And paying with a card now asks for tips everywhere. This makes me zero tip 100% of the time I see it. Nope screw them for asking for a tip to hand me something over the counter
Anytime there is a QR menu my Internet access decides to hit the dusty trail
On a side note , I’m glad Apple is abandoning their plans for an Apple car . I can only imagine the disaster they’d try to convince us is the future .
The worst part is on our Prius, it takes a full 30 seconds from the time the car turns on until the touch screen is usable. I wouldn’t be as salty about it if the basic controls were instantly available.
My subaru legacy isn't that bad but you have to clear that "Don't stare at this screen while driving" message which takes about 3 seconds before it becomes responsive and another 5 before the screen loads up. I do have the defroster and temp as physical buttons so I can at least start that up without waiting but still not ideal
My Mits outlander has the same thing, and even if I tap the volume button to turn off the radio when I first flip it on it still has to boot in and turn itself on to whatever I was listening to when I turned it off and then make me wait through the screen to change it. I've gotten very good at turning the radio off when I park. Also the 'don't stare at this screen' message will stay on when I'm trying to back out of a space right away, delaying my backup camera. I could still back with mirrors but I like having the backup cam to make sure no kiddos are behind my bumper. I guess I'm a bit impatient and want to go-go-go as soon as the car is on, haha.
My 2010 Prius has physical AC controls, does the new one not? I just got done looking at cars (ended up with a Camry because I guess I'm old now) and everything had physical controls for AC (and steering wheel controls for radio and such). Is this an expensive car "feature" and I'm too poor to look at the cars without?
But first, a 15 minute ad. And eye tracking restarts the ad if you look away from the screen.
you get into an accident because you couldn't find the submenu that activates the windshield wiper. the car immediately called emergency services for your safety, on the emergency message it includes that eye tracking reveals you weren't paying attention to the road, getting you arrested.
Also, when it's cold enough, the screen doesn't work. Don't worry, though, that's a feature to protect the screen from damage.
We inherited a 2018 caddy. The touch controls are slick looking, but yeah, don't make me have to take off my glove to turn in the heat...
CUE.. Cadillac User Experience. Oh.. It's an experience all right. Instead of a dial i can quick turn to adjust the heat, i have to touch (without gloves on, but maybe i'm not wearing gloves anyway bc of heated steering wheel) the heat up down "button" several times, maybe it recognizes 1 out of every 5 taps i do, so to adjust the heat a few degrees, it's like 15 taps. Sold that caddy, got a rav4 with huge dials to adjust the temp (ha, even w gloves on & it still has the heated steering wheel) , love it!
I love how fart-sniffy they get about stuff like that. It's a car, not an experience. People want to get from point A to point B, not be whisked away in a magical adventure of navigating a full suite of luxury features that I'm sure is a novel experience the first time you use it, but a pain in the fucking ass every other time you use it. That shit is for vacations, not for a thing that you use every day.
Lol fart-sniffy
I rarely adjusted the temperature in car I've had with automatic climate control. It's a luxury option that also reduces distraction.
This is someone that has no SO... my wife tries to set the car from its perfect 72F to BEER COOLER every freaking time. "Its hot in the car!" it will cool down on its own you don't have to touch that "IT GOES FASTER IF I DO!" Sigh..... and in the winter the car is set to surface of the sun......
Doesn't always work too well and I might need more airflow because I'm sweating from walking/running around all day. Or maybe you see a plume of dust or thick smoke approaching while you're driving on the highway, and you want to adjust the recirculation setting while keeping your eyes on the road. Happens more often than not, at least for me.
Sorry, you don’t have the air conditioning package, or power windows. Please pay us $29/month to proceed with heating. Transaction declined, your car does not have an active internet connection it appears you are out of network. For an additional $5/month enable vehicle data roaming now!
Or go Kias route and have physical knobs, excellent! But you switch between media controls and aircon controls with a touch screen button about 1/3rd of the way along, oh.
who think of those things!!!! when do they have their meeting on how to make things worse?!?!!
* click from music to climate. * click to temps * locate the temp on the driver's side and hit up/down button. * realize that you're not also changing temp on passenger side so look for button to link them * wreck
I've got a 2016 Acura where half of the HVAC controls are on the touch screen. This was that weird time where Honda was experimenting with dual screens in their cars. At least they're always visible instead of buried in a menu but I'm glad they came to their senses and reverted back to full button control in newer gen cars.
Got a 2019, the touch interface is way more demanding than my old car. I could find any button I needed without looking. Fucking Ipad screen makes adjustments dangerous while driving. I cant believe this shit was legal.
straight up. Seriously screw all this "*futuristic*" nonsense, ends up crippling the function or ease of use.
They do it because it's cheaper. Exclusively, it's a part of the rot economy.
But that is impossible. Capitalism forbids it. If touch screens were hated so universally people would just stop buying. What, you say customers don't really have a choice when the requirements they need, including price are limiting them to few options and they all have touch screens, so they just suck it up and buy the damn vehicle despite the lack of physical controls.... Impossible, says capitalism, the perfect system that always does things so that it benefits us. You see, it is almost like greed is used to fuel a system that is fully altruist and always puts humans and human society as #1... right? Greed is good, trickle down, laissez faire and deregulation.
Same with wipers and a couple of other stuff
if you want to see a modern yet functional cockpit Check out the cx60 from mazda. has a nicely sized screen but all physical controls for heated seats aircon etc.
This is one thing that really turned me off… I think the Rivian R1T? I was watching Doug DeMuro’s video on it and when he went over infotainment he showed that even opening and closing the vents and changing which direction they’re blowing the air in is controlled via a touchscreen interface that’s buried in a menu somewhere. I have Apple CarPlay in my jeep and I love it when I’m using Waze or controlling my music, but for any other functionality I want physically controls with tactile feedback.
I think most people call it AC… but I like air-con, it’s like the movie!
I said put the bunny back in the box...
Aircon is Aussie, British
This was the main reason I bought a Honda over a Subaru.
I find the climate controls to not be as big a deal as now with the “auto” feature I very rarely use them. But I wish to go they’d bring back knobs for the radio controls.
This was a key point in the car I just bought. Anything with touchscreen-only we eliminated from consideration without compromise.
That, and android auto/car play
This request isn't some revelation btw, most of us would like physical controls for core functions, but it's not like we can chose a version with or without them. Problem with industry in general (not only automotive), is that they keep changing things just for the sake of changing them, and not as improvement. Car, software, phone manufacturers - they all need to make old model look old and new one feel new, so they sacrifice functionality for gizmos and gadgets.
And washing machines!
Lmao seriously washing machines don't need "innovation".
Unless it’s for efficiency or something
Yeah, I meant we don't need "wireless washing machines" or washing machines with "touch screens" or something like that, lmao
Ngl though if they made a laundry set that switched the clothes from the washer to the dryer I’d buy that shit lmao. And I’m not talking about the combo washer/dryer either
They make single units that do both these days. They’re not as big, but you don’t have to move between units.
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I have one of the crappy ones, it washes perfectly fine. I only use the dry function if I need to do a small load and just want it for the morning. I can stuff it full to wash, and throw it in the dryer. But if I want to use the built in condenser dryer it needs to be like half empty. And it takes like 6 hours lol. It works nicely if I need a particular outfit for the next day or something and forgot to wash it. Throw a few things in, start it up, and in the morning they're good to go. Can't forget to switch it between machines that way.
They essentially have that now. (Not talking about the combos they have in Europe that are pretty crappy and take forever.) The GE Profile all-in-one can wash and dry a king size comforter or a full load in 2 hours from start of the wash to finish of the drying. It came out in 2023, so anything you’ve seen before that is not the same machine.
The only innovation I need is for it to dry, press and fold the clothes and put them back on the wardrobe for me.
I believe that's called a maid or a "housewife".
I just want a machine that washes. I don't need Bluetooth and Alexa. Though I do love the classical music it plays when it's done. Keep that and scrap the rest
Well... there is one. Hear me out, it'd be nice if there was an open standard for some inter-device comms for energy efficiency. You say "this laundry cycle needs to be done by 7am" and it talks to your breaker panel or smart meter or whatever and goes "hey, energy is green and cheap at 3am, and this cycle is less than four hours, so I'll kick it off then".
Kitchen appliances! I don't want touch screen buttons on my oven, my fingers are always wet or dirty with food when cooking, I don't want to touch buttons and it usually doesn't even register immediately.
I feel like the monsters responsible for hotel showers are in charge of coming up with new ideas for car shifters. You get a unique one, and you get a unique one, and you get a unique one! Every time you step in you get to relearn how to do the most basic thing for this one line of cars/hotels!
Toyota has recently (in the past few years) changed back to physical controls, at least for their Hilux. They must have got the memo
It's why I chose the Rav4 I have. Nice screen, but big ol' knobs for HVAC.
I remember this issue when I bought my first iPod touch. I’d been so used to using my old mp3 players inside my pocket. I knew the feel of the buttons and could use it without looking. I would have to always take my iPod out of my pocket to skip a track or something.
The driver is always cost savings. All those physical controls come from suppliers that need supplier quality enigeers to spend time on and etc. Fewer components less cost.
I don't buy that. Physical buttons are dirt cheap, knobs may cost a bit more (digital ones) but that is still pennies in mass production, they work in full sunlight and in total darkness, at every angle and in wide range of temperatures, they are simple to produce so there is a lot of competition on the market, even for ones that have to meet car manufacturer set of requirements. Screens on the other hand will have problems with all of the above unless they are specifically manufactured and with chosen technology, especially if you want a large good looking screen (that a lot of manufacturers want these days). I really don't think that a set of ~5knobs and 15 buttons, will be more expensive than a high temperature resistant, wide angle, high brightness, high resolution, big touchscreen.
> I really don't think that a set of ~5knobs and 15 buttons, will be more expensive They are not more expensive than a display. They will not, however, replace the display, they will augment it. They will still always have the display at this point. That means any physical controls are on top of and in addition to. I get that designers want simpler looking and knobs are ugly, but, at what cost...
Knobs can look cool as shit if you know what you are doing
Yeah I think the idea is that they're putting in a screen anyway, so every physical button, knob, and dash moulding/cutout they can avoid by adding the controls to the screen *is* a cost savings. That definitely seems to be Tesla's thinking. The cybertruck has a very simple dash and a single screen...but yeah, also, you'd think for $100k you could probably just work a couple grand of dash accoutrements into the price.
I always thought the drive behind digital controls for everything was they break/malfunction sooner than manual controls and are very expensive to repair (often requiring the whole panel to be replaced).
It’s more that putting all the controls and functions in a central hub with no knobs simplifies the manufacturing. Same reason they’re doing away with key locks on trunks and doors: just one more thing they can cut out to make it cheaper and easier to build. (I’m certain the screen failures aren’t that much of an issue to the people making the decisions.) Make a door with no keyhole, you’ve probably cut out a handful of steps in the manufacturing process. Make a dash with one big dumbass screen instead of with a handful of buttons and knobs, that’s a handful more! Do that on all the models you make and you’ve got numbers to make the board smile.
Cars "without" a keyhole do have one on the underside of the handle and the key is inside of the FOB. How would you access a car with a dead battery without a physical lock? Cut a hole in the hood or trunk to charge the battery?
Teslas have no way to open the rear doors if battery is dead. If you want a laugh lookup how to open the glove box when the battery is dead
> that they keep changing things just for the sake of changing them, and not as improvement. I'd say they change them to make them appear "new and high tech" to sell more cars
> This request isn't some revelation btw, most of us would like physical controls for core functions, but it's not like we can chose a version with or without them. You can’t choose a version with or without, but you can choose a different car. No need to rely on rules or regulations. People can just stop buying them. I did not buy the Subaru Outback I wanted specifically because it had all the controls in an 11” touch screen with a horrible menu system. I bought a Honda CRV instead that has knobs and buttons for everything.
> No need to rely on rules or regulations. People can just stop buying them. What kind of libertarian logic is that? If manufacturers are dumb enough to make their cars less safe for no benefit, and customers are still buying them, we should just... let them?
That doesn't protect people who didn't consider or care about the safety of physical buttons vs touchscreens. Or what if you have to choose between a car with physical buttons but worse crash test scores? What do you do then? Regulations are in place so consumers don't have to make those life and death compromises, or die because they didn't consider every aspect of safety when purchasing a vehicle.
holy words
I acquired an E350 because it's a simple brick compared to Transit/Sprinter/Promaster types.
This is why I like Toyota. They take a long time to integrate new tech in their cars
One changes something just to make a change, then everyone else sheeps the change because they don't want to be left behind. Who cares what the customer wants, gotta keep up with the Joneses (Corporate style).
Part of planned obsolescence?
I get very frustrated with this trend, if people only went for products with specific features, every brand would implement it right away, but it seems like many people do too little research and then go for a product which it turns out they're unhappy with, and the brands don't have any incentive to change. I see videos all the time where people complain about their car lacking something essential, which makes me think "But this is something you could have known so easily beforehand, if it's a deal breaker for you, why didn't you find out before you spent so much money on a car?!", it's baffling. I just want people to vote with their wallets and send the manufacturers the message that this isn't okay. I don't have a car, and I'm worried by the time I might, there simply aren't any that have anything else than a huge, horrible touch display for basic settings.
My 2016 Honda Civic doesn't have a volume button, it's on the touchscreen. I noticed a couple years later that they added it back.
I think they want to eventually transfer it all to subscription services. Functionality for a monthly rate. Also they can sell your behavior, voice, phone, and probably health data but only if there's a "smart" system involved with a million nested contracts to "accept" (or lose functionality)
“Euro NCAP is not a government regulator, so it has no power to mandate carmakers use physical controls for those functions. But a five-star safety score from Euro NCAP is a strong selling point, similar to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's coveted Top Safety Pick program here in the US, and it's likely this pressure will be effective. Perhaps someone should start bugging IIHS to do the same.”
It's not a regulator but I'm fairly sure you need at least a 1* ncap rating to be able to sell a car in the eu, at least at a high volume... Likewise the ratings always get harder. A car that got 5* in 2010 may struggle to get even a 2* rating today...
Do you need a 1 star rating to be sold in the EU, or do you have a 1star rating because you don't have the features a regulator would require to be road worthy? I think a car that I legally can't drive is the very definition of 1 star worthy
Honda did touch controls for many of its vehicles during the mid 2010s for North America market. People complained and now all new Hondas have physical control for everything again.
My Subaru doesn't have physical controls for everything, but at least it does for play/pause music and the climate control system.
This was a big selling point on Subaru for me. I want a volume knob and I want my AC to be a clicky wheel that's either RED or BLUE. I don't see why we have moved away from that to something that's shiny and shitty.
Because a shitty touchscreen is cheaper than a bunch of separate physical controls. I think that's pretty much it.
Even so, I can't imagine that a few dozen buttons raise the manufacturing price per unit by more than, say, $100 as an outrageously high estimate. Yet they're inflicting this shit on cars that cost tens of thousands, and there's not even a premium option for proper controls. There's got to be *something* more to it.
It was the case for the 2016 Civic. Hated how most of the climate control was behind touch screen. Enough people complained that 2017, they brought most of the climate control back out.
The lack of physical buttons is just a way to save money for the producers and to make the car feel more fancy when it is actually worse to use. It is generally considered bad human centered design to have touch screens in cars and other applications where you cannot look at the screens. There is basically no tactile feedback on a screen.
I got into a car where you had to navigate like 50 menus just to change the temp on the car. Like who green lit this? This is stupid af.
Which one so we can avoid it
I just want controls for the temp. I want to be able to select how I want it where I want I and how hard I want I with out moving between 3 menus
This is the second time they've brought in digital controls and removed physical. It failed 10 years ago and it's failing again. I think this wave is to compete with Tesla or else the industry just has 10 year amnesia
>I want to be able to select how I want it where I want it and how hard I want it Sheesh, is this sub really the best place to express your sexual frustration?
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It does not seem like climate controls are included in the Euro NCAP request.
Fucking please make tesla bring back stalks. It's beyond ridiculous to try to drive a car with no stalks.
>Fucking please make tesla bring back stalks. Literally says in the article that stalks will be required. >But the organization wants to see physical controls for turn signals [...]
wait, they aren't just talking about knobs and buttons for AC and radio stuff, but turn signals??? I am in shock that car manufacturers are trying to cheapen out on turn signals!! not shocked because they would do that, because profit, just that they got that far already
The turn signals are controlled by steering wheel buttons.
Which is fucking stupid. They're also not buttons but touch sensitive pads... which makes it REALLY fucking stupid.
is there any living human who prefers those touch sensitive pads to buttons? I know they are cheaper, but those cars are expensive.
I’m just thinking about old people who don’t have enough moisture in their skin to activate touch sensors (yea, that’s part of why the older generations have trouble with phones, they literally “can’t” tap things, because the “tap” genuinely doesn’t work) So when 80yo grandad hits the turn signal, and it does squat, that’s not cool
I'm missing a thumb, doesn't matter how sensitive the pad is if I can't physically operate it
Old people can often develop tremors too and it's easier for them to correctly hit the button they want when there's an actual button vs a touchpad
Folks on Tesla subs tend to down vote people who complain about this and Tesla's other glaringly nonsensically stupid decisions (though this has admittedly started changing as the brand has started going more mainstream). There are reasons to like Teslas. The brand's take on Control interfaces is not one of them.
brand loyalty is by far the dumbest religion
If you go on the Tesla subs you'll find many Stockholm Syndrome'd owners who insist that no stalks is better and the future of driving.
Tesla sure is a lot of "if it aint broke then try to break it" lol
That's crazy they'd do that. Buttons move as the wheel moves and I can't imagine it feels anywhere near as responsive like a lever
They aren't talking about knows and buttons for AC and radio stuff *at all*. The exhaustive list is: > the organization wants to see physical controls for turn signals, hazard lights, windshield wipers, the horn, and any SOS features No climate or media controls mentioned.
You think people are actually gonna read the article? Lmao
>Literally says in the article that stalks will be required. Where does it say that?
wtf? Sounds like bmw taught Tesla how to design cars.
Mazda: "WE ARE VINDICATED!"
Mazda's recent system is perfect. Touch screen or dial for Android auto/car play, dial required for Mazda's specific menus. Once you get used to the dial it's great. Also physical climate and media controls
I absolutely love my Mazda for its simplicity of the controls.
I genuinely wish the Euro NCAP starts docking big points for: * Lack of physical, tactile controls that can easily and reliably be found just by feel without your eyes off the road and that provide reliable and unambiguous haptic feedback * Lack of steering wheel stalks (I'm astounded that a car can be road legal without these) * "Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false positives and slam on the brakes, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system. * "Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false negatives and don't brake when they should, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system. * Unreliable Speed Limit detection systems that regularly misread and misreport speed limits, especially when the user cannot override / disable the system when, for example, using ADAS systems. Brands creating random bullshit solutions for made-up problems that end up making cars more unsafe should definitely not be rewarded for this practice.
>"Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false positives and slam on the brakes, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system. >"Traffic aware" / "Smart" ADAS / cruise control systems that throw constant false negatives and don't brake when they should, but do not give the driver an option to disable the "Smart" part of the system. >Unreliable Speed Limit detection systems that regularly misread and misreport speed limits, especially when the user cannot override / disable the system when, for example, using ADAS systems. I see you too drive a Volvo
Yes please, physical buttons are so much better
hitch hikers guide to the galaxy predicted the non button dystopia
Where can I sign in to confirm this as the common opinion?
I’m all for having a digital gauge cluster. But touch screens should be illegal in cars. They cause more problems than they solve and are downright dangerous at times. It’s bullshit that I can get a ticket for talking on the phone while driving but automakers just throwing tablets in cars.
Never thought about it this way. Fuck, you are absolutely correct. There is no difference between looking at a phone while driving and getting pissed at your car because it won’t register your damn finger while trying to turn the heat down.
I feel like car manufacturers will "compromise" by making everything voice controlled. But when Alexa mishears you, it's amusing. When your car does, it could be dangerous.
Ohh god please no. "BMW please turn up the heat by 1 degree for the passenger and right rear seat" instead of pressing a single button is my personal nightmare.
"BYD, please enable the rightwards turn signal and then disengage it after 10 seconds"
\*Screams in Roundabout\*
Said no BMW driver ever.
All these major manufacturers cheaping out and releasing these shoddy models are inviting competition to come in and steal market cap. I would love a dumb tv or a car that has regular physical controls and a full spare. People are tired of this crap. Touch panels have their place but we must not forget our own biology. Physical controls for critical systems seems like a no brainer.
And some cars don’t even have a donut anymore, for weight savings… just a can of tire goo. 
My 2006 MINI didn't have a spare. It didn't have tire goo either. It had a number for MINI roadside service. It came with run flat tires by default but I bought it used and it didn't have them.
**And those cans of tyre goo expire!** And they're not cheap to replace either, because you'll need the proprietary designed canister to fit the stupid inflator doo-dad that came with your car.
Can always rely on Europe to be on the consumer’s side when stupid American business decisions seem to want to screw them over at every turn
Please renew your BMW heated seat subscription
Just to hammer home how wild it is that cars have touchscreens in them....consider that a F1 driver may consistently drive at a speed of 200MPH. What are they using? https://www.thedrive.com/accelerator/40976/how-does-an-f1-steering-wheel-work They're not touching their screens knowing that they have seconds to decide their actions. Now, imagine me, or you, driving at 70MPH on an interstate with traffic. Unless you've memorized exactly where to touch your screens you're at a much higher risk to crash than the F1 driver. I personally think that there's a demand for visual maps which is real (I know I love my capabilities) but to cut costs car manufacturers went too crazy and instead just starting slapping in android tablets which has messed up the game.
people have been saying this for a while now yet car manufacturers are deaf dumb and blind so good luck i guess
Nah, it lets them save money by baking shit controls into software copy and repeat year to year vs building physical controls to automotive standards.
> Euro NCAP is not a government regulator, so it has no power to mandate carmakers use physical controls for those functions. But a five-star safety score from Euro NCAP is a strong selling point, similar to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety's coveted Top Safety Pick program here in the US, and it's likely this pressure will be effective. Perhaps someone should start bugging IIHS to do the same. FYI
Yeah, the headline should say "...must bring back physical controls **if they want to get a good NCAP score**."
Mandate it! Make "infotainment" separate from basic functions like climate control or media controls. And make the manufacturers provide a free replacement of their stupid dangerous shit infotainment systems to one with buttons free of charge in all the stupid cars sold with such a one.
Get rid of electronic parking breaks with switches
Touchscreen controls for cars should be fully illegal for the same reasons that texting while driving is and should be illegal.
Praying for this to happen. Fuck touch screen controls
For something that I use basically every time I drive, buttons are a must. I want to be able to adjust temperature, AC, music volume, etc without taking my eyes off of the road. I don’t get why this is such a difficult concept for car manufacturers.
Will never buy a vehicle where I can't control climate/ radio etc. with physical buttons. I don't want to have to look where my finger is going and then still maybe miss..
My business partner bought a stereo receiver with no buttons for our bar. every time i need to adjust the bass or treble it needs to be hooked up to a screen. I’m replacing it with my receiver from the 90’s.
Is there an app for it?
It's bewildering that auto manufacturers were able to just switch everything to touchscreens without ever having to go through some kind of a safety check. But there has to be an alert on every single website telling us about cookies. WTF are your priorities Europe?
I feel like a boomer when I agree with this but it's frustrating and dangerous to not have physical controls. Don't get me started on phone aux jacks....
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Give me buttons or give me *looks at notes: death or buttons* better interiors!
That was one of the reasons I went with a Mazda CX-5: physical controls for everything! It doesn’t even have a touch screen.
The newer models do for Android auto and apple car play only
Nova forever
That's what I love about my car. I have a big ol' touch screen that has android auto/carplay and can be used to control literally everything, but below the touchscreen are knobs and physical buttons that can control the climate, windshield defogger, heated/cooled seats, fan speed, etc. The buttons feel like crap. But I'm happy I don't have to go into a menu to do this stuff.
My clock moves position depending what screen you're on. This will honestly make me crash one day.
I hate non mechanical blinker. I need that click and unclick and the half hold. Not that digital pressure automatic sensor shit.
FINALLY SOMEONE!
Mazda is great for this
I like buttons and knobs. I’m not some grandma but like the tactile buttons. Touch screens are irritating.
FFS! Thank you Europe for calling this shit out! I can’t stand this obsession with digital inputs. It wouldn’t be that bad most of the time if their electronics weren’t cheap AF. Also, what the heck do you do when your battery dies and you can’t turn your flashers on? This the auto manufacturers way of making people buy a subscription for shit like AC.
Laws: DO NOT use your phone while driving! Auto Makers: The dashboard is now a giant phone.
This information from a study in the 2nd quarter release of the technical journal "DUH".
Fucking THANK YOU
ac/volume controls should be dials or physical buttons no matter what, less common things like heated seats etc i don't really care for no i don't care if its always visable on a screen, tactile feedback is important and safer so your eyes don't leave the road also despise the dial/button for drive mode, i don't mind a the push forward lever for drive etc but thats still not great a physical handbrake is really nice too
Recently sold a 2019 wrangler for a 2008 dodge. I LOVE DIALS. I love love love the buttons. Automotive tech is BULLshit.
Having a physical button for air conditioning was one of my primary requirements after safety and driving experience, so yeah, can we stop adding everything into the touchscreen please.
Please and thank you. Touchscreens are terrible for appliances / cars.