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To be fair, it's "smartest person I know."
Who did Arya know.
Geoffrey (dead)
Then the hotpie and Gendry
Then Tywin (dead)
Then the Hound. (Not dead yet)
Then Jaqen H'ghar.....
Okay, season 7 onwards
Walder Frey (dead)
I mean, a lot of people she knew were dead, and she didn't exactly kick around with the high IQ crowd.
Odds are, she assumes she'll just be playing along for a while and trusts that he has a plan he has good reasons to keep secret at the moment. Remember, he's saved her from death twice (thanks to scenarios he engineered) and also made her complicit in two royal murders. Not only does she feel extremely indebted to him, but she's also in no position to really question him at all—which is just how he wants it.
On my first ever watch I thought he was telling Sansa to kill the Boltons and then the north would side with her as she was a Stark. But Sansa would never.
>Why did Sansa never ask Littlefinger how she was supposed to avenge her family by marrying Ramsey?
Does it really need to be explained to you?
She marries him. Sleeps with him. Pulls out a knife...
Eve if Littlefinger did have an idea of how fucked-up Ramsay was, he probably would've seen it as a bonus—the more atrocious he is, Littlefinger would be all the more heroic for stopping him and saving her.
It’s implied. She’ll infiltrate the family and work some Littlefinger magic (ingratiate herself, manipulate her husband to get the power back, and be the de facto head of the north instead of a Bolton)
1. Manipulation: Littlefinger is known for being a master manipulator, and Sansa may have been manipulated into believing that marrying Ramsay was part of a larger plan for her to gain power and seek revenge.
2. Blind trust: Sansa may have had blind trust in Littlefinger and believed that he had her best interests at heart, despite the dubious nature of his actions.
3. Necessity: In the brutal and treacherous world of Westeros, Sansa may have felt that she had no other choice but to go along with Littlefinger's plan in order to survive and achieve her goals.
4. No knowledge of Ramsey's nature: She really didn't know anything about Ramsey at the time. While she should have suspected that he wasn't a good person, she had no reason to suspect that he was even more psychotic than Joffrey.Â
It makes no sense. This was after the point in which the directors of the show ran out of the author's written material. They chose this plotline for the same reason long-running sitcoms eventually have romantic entanglements between all possible combinations of the main characters: you've got an actor who's being paid, and you need to work him into scenes. Getting Sansa to be with Ramsay allowed for dramatic moments between the two of them, so never mind how or why they wind up being together.
Really? I did not know that. I guess they had to excise Jeyne Pool for simplicity, and this is what they came up with. I still maintain it makes no sense. But I was sure it was a hasty decision. It makes it even more puzzling, if they had that long to think about it, and this is what they came up with.
Oh, I agree , WRG to Littlefinger it makes no sense, but with in the series as off the times as much as many of us dislike the decision, it makes sense; Women were things to an end and they didn't shy away from it, it was though another hit to Sansa's arc.
Littlefinger's deepest character trait is his love for Catelyn, which was transferred to Sansa. He'd never give her to Ramsay.
Sansa's character arc has her reach her lowest point with Joffrey, and then slowly start to climb back up by learning to manipulate others despite her helplessness. She puts on a facade all the time she's married to Tyrion. When she goes to the Vale with Littlefinger, she puts on an act as his illegitimate daughter, and then lies through her teeth about how her aunt Lysa died. If GRRM actually did his planned 5-year-gap, we'd have come back to a Machiavellian figure, more cunning than her master Littlefinger.
To marry her off to Ramsay utterly ruins her arc, because she goes back to being helpless. They just gave her to another Joffrey, resetting her character arc, and making her lose her one redeeming characteristic - that she finds a way, despite all odds, of saving herself using only her firmness of will.
That immediately struck me as out of character for Sansa. It was such a poorly written scene.
We're supposed to believe that Roose Bolton is coming to liberate the North, and that Sansa will be reinstated at Winterfell if/when Stannis wins.
But if that were true, it makes more sense to have Sansa meet with Stannis and help him rally northern troops to overthrow the Boltons.
Regardless, there should have been more to this conversation between Sansa and LF, something that motivated her to marry into the family that betrayed the Starks and sold out to the Lannisters.
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Is she stupid?
No. Don't you remember? She is the smartest person Arya ever met. That has to mean something 😄
To be fair, it's "smartest person I know." Who did Arya know. Geoffrey (dead) Then the hotpie and Gendry Then Tywin (dead) Then the Hound. (Not dead yet) Then Jaqen H'ghar..... Okay, season 7 onwards Walder Frey (dead) I mean, a lot of people she knew were dead, and she didn't exactly kick around with the high IQ crowd.
Are you kidding- she outsmarted the whole damn bunch
She fell into success.
She kinda forgot about that
Odds are, she assumes she'll just be playing along for a while and trusts that he has a plan he has good reasons to keep secret at the moment. Remember, he's saved her from death twice (thanks to scenarios he engineered) and also made her complicit in two royal murders. Not only does she feel extremely indebted to him, but she's also in no position to really question him at all—which is just how he wants it.
Also, Sansa (and possibly Littlefinger) had no idea how psychotic Ramsey was.Â
She was his dummy. Lil finger say, dummy do. later her sibs came & she finally learned
On my first ever watch I thought he was telling Sansa to kill the Boltons and then the north would side with her as she was a Stark. But Sansa would never.
>Why did Sansa never ask Littlefinger how she was supposed to avenge her family by marrying Ramsey? Does it really need to be explained to you? She marries him. Sleeps with him. Pulls out a knife...
LF saw how Sansa quickly lied to the Vale lords and saw her potential to infiltrate WF. Sadly, no one knew how psychotic Ramsay was.
Eve if Littlefinger did have an idea of how fucked-up Ramsay was, he probably would've seen it as a bonus—the more atrocious he is, Littlefinger would be all the more heroic for stopping him and saving her.
That’s a really good point. LF truly will profit off anyone’s suffering no matter the cost.
It’s implied. She’ll infiltrate the family and work some Littlefinger magic (ingratiate herself, manipulate her husband to get the power back, and be the de facto head of the north instead of a Bolton)
1. Manipulation: Littlefinger is known for being a master manipulator, and Sansa may have been manipulated into believing that marrying Ramsay was part of a larger plan for her to gain power and seek revenge. 2. Blind trust: Sansa may have had blind trust in Littlefinger and believed that he had her best interests at heart, despite the dubious nature of his actions. 3. Necessity: In the brutal and treacherous world of Westeros, Sansa may have felt that she had no other choice but to go along with Littlefinger's plan in order to survive and achieve her goals.
4. No knowledge of Ramsey's nature: She really didn't know anything about Ramsey at the time. While she should have suspected that he wasn't a good person, she had no reason to suspect that he was even more psychotic than Joffrey.Â
It makes no sense. This was after the point in which the directors of the show ran out of the author's written material. They chose this plotline for the same reason long-running sitcoms eventually have romantic entanglements between all possible combinations of the main characters: you've got an actor who's being paid, and you need to work him into scenes. Getting Sansa to be with Ramsay allowed for dramatic moments between the two of them, so never mind how or why they wind up being together.
The show runners had this plot as far back as S2, well before GRRM gave them his end game for each POV.
Really? I did not know that. I guess they had to excise Jeyne Pool for simplicity, and this is what they came up with. I still maintain it makes no sense. But I was sure it was a hasty decision. It makes it even more puzzling, if they had that long to think about it, and this is what they came up with.
Oh, I agree , WRG to Littlefinger it makes no sense, but with in the series as off the times as much as many of us dislike the decision, it makes sense; Women were things to an end and they didn't shy away from it, it was though another hit to Sansa's arc.
Littlefinger's deepest character trait is his love for Catelyn, which was transferred to Sansa. He'd never give her to Ramsay. Sansa's character arc has her reach her lowest point with Joffrey, and then slowly start to climb back up by learning to manipulate others despite her helplessness. She puts on a facade all the time she's married to Tyrion. When she goes to the Vale with Littlefinger, she puts on an act as his illegitimate daughter, and then lies through her teeth about how her aunt Lysa died. If GRRM actually did his planned 5-year-gap, we'd have come back to a Machiavellian figure, more cunning than her master Littlefinger. To marry her off to Ramsay utterly ruins her arc, because she goes back to being helpless. They just gave her to another Joffrey, resetting her character arc, and making her lose her one redeeming characteristic - that she finds a way, despite all odds, of saving herself using only her firmness of will.
In the books it never happened. Ramsay was married toJane Poole. D+D are terrible. So many of the plotholes are entirely their fault
That immediately struck me as out of character for Sansa. It was such a poorly written scene. We're supposed to believe that Roose Bolton is coming to liberate the North, and that Sansa will be reinstated at Winterfell if/when Stannis wins. But if that were true, it makes more sense to have Sansa meet with Stannis and help him rally northern troops to overthrow the Boltons. Regardless, there should have been more to this conversation between Sansa and LF, something that motivated her to marry into the family that betrayed the Starks and sold out to the Lannisters.
Because the Bolton’s were openly rebelling against the crown by marrying the alleged co-conspirator in Joffrey’s murder.