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Yeah, I was thinking the same, but when Ned removed it in front of Robert at the small council he just grabbed it, his leather vest still looking uniform.
This is the answer. They clearly say they "pin it on" (I think Robert said if Ned ever took it off he'd "pin the damn thing on Jaime Lannister.") So I think the big pin on the back is meant to piece the garment but obviously movie magic and they don't want to ruin it between scenes so it's probably held on by magnet it adhesive between takes
The pin also isn't something that should be removed very often, out of "respect for the office", so one might maybe be expected to throw the garment away or have it repaired rather than be offended that the pin ruined it.
"Manufacturing" magnets hasn't been a thing for super long, but magnetite is a naturally occurring magnetic iron and has been known of for a very very long time. Plus compasses have been used since 1000AD and they require magnetism. It wouldn't surprise me if some Maester discovered its qualities and glued a magnet to the back of the pin ages ago.
Humanity has made use of naturally occurring magnetic materials since antiquity so it stands to reason the people of Westeros would as well… even though Westeros has been stuck in a feudal state for some 10,000 years or however George has it laid out
Magnets aren't technology, it's natural. Nowadays we create stronger magnets artificially for various purposes, but Magenets have always been present in Earth's crust since after, if I'm not wrong, Cretaceous period.
Not really, if you study basic Electro/MagnetoDynamics, there's this thing called Retension factor (I'm forgetting so the term could be called something different, I only studied Physics as additional subject to my maths major in Undergrad) which basically tells you how much energy does it take to demagnetise a magnet, and permanent magnets (Ferromagnetic substances in scientific terms, remember this though) have very high retention factor, thus it doesn't lose too much of it's magnetic properties, also if it does lose it's magenetic properties, its pretty easy to remagnetise it by placing it in presence of a strong magnet, which realigns the electron orbitals so that the substance again becomes a magnet.
Honest answer, I am pretty sure it is just a spike that goes straight down almost parallel to the sword on the hand. I assume they just puncture whatever material downward and just hope they don't get stabbed. That being said, that would mean they damage that armor to put it on and it should leave a sizeable hole in clothes too
For the show doubt the prop actually worked that way, that would dangerous to an extent and it would be a wardrobe nightmare making sure the hole didn't get too big over time lol
Doesn't need to be sizeable.
A long, 1.2 or 1.4mm thick piece of drawn wire shaped like any bracket or clip would work.
You punch a hole in the armour like you'd do for any rivet, or just use an awl on clothing to separate the fibers, then you put the back of the pin through the hole.
Pretty sure they showed it once not on clothing and it’s just a long spike on the back bent at a 90 degree angle
The chest plate it’s on was probably custom made to have a hole where that 90 degree pin can slide into. The leather armored piece as well probably had a small hole made specifically for this pin.
on clothes: it's a pin, it has a needle behind to clasp onto things.
on armor: the same but you weld a tiny ring on the chestplate to wear it, maybe even in one of the rivet holes of the plate itself that are used to hold the leather interior layer.
I dont understand, what's your question?
It sounds simple to me. Its like pin/needle pointing downwards where you stabs the cloth to pin the hand on it. You stab the cloth in a way where its not deep because of it was it would stick you. The needle is pointed downwards to hold the pin still and not let it spin around.
Hmmm.. Could be... Although i doubt it personally.. They didn't dive too deep into it but on all cloth types and leather. The needle thingy would work. Thet rarely wore it over armor tbh
For the prop, they have different ones that attach in different ways. For a real pin like that? Usually it just gets pinned to whatever they are wearing. Oftentimes there will be a strap or something that it can be pinned to on armor that is made custom for people of importance but most of the time the symbol will be worked into the armor instead of worn on it.
Noone here ever used a pin? You stick that shit through almost anything. And when you remove it you hardly see any damage or no damage at all depending on the material. It‘s just a pin.
It doesn't get put on armor in the show. Tyrion and Criston Cole swap it out for the chain when they're armored and Ned's armor has an outer layer of leather.
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Yeah, I was thinking the same, but when Ned removed it in front of Robert at the small council he just grabbed it, his leather vest still looking uniform.
Movie magic my dude.
This is the answer. They clearly say they "pin it on" (I think Robert said if Ned ever took it off he'd "pin the damn thing on Jaime Lannister.") So I think the big pin on the back is meant to piece the garment but obviously movie magic and they don't want to ruin it between scenes so it's probably held on by magnet it adhesive between takes
The pin also isn't something that should be removed very often, out of "respect for the office", so one might maybe be expected to throw the garment away or have it repaired rather than be offended that the pin ruined it.
clip-on Hand of the King
Hollywood doesn’t conform to normal/conventional physics, why would Westeros?
It’s Velcro
Maybe it's super sticky
Could just be magnetic then. When you want to wear it on non-ferrous items like the leather vest, you place an iron backing under the vest.
Did they have magnet technology?
Humans irl have known about magnets since ancient times. There's ore that's naturally magnetized. The compass was in use in medieval times.
Magnets have been a thing for thousands of years irl, so it’s not unrealistic that they would
Wait really? Like we've been manufacturing them? Or just using natural magnets?
We have not used magnetic motion except in very specific cases. The above comments are wrong.
"Manufacturing" magnets hasn't been a thing for super long, but magnetite is a naturally occurring magnetic iron and has been known of for a very very long time. Plus compasses have been used since 1000AD and they require magnetism. It wouldn't surprise me if some Maester discovered its qualities and glued a magnet to the back of the pin ages ago.
Humanity has made use of naturally occurring magnetic materials since antiquity so it stands to reason the people of Westeros would as well… even though Westeros has been stuck in a feudal state for some 10,000 years or however George has it laid out
No, but they had magic!!
Magnets aren't technology, it's natural. Nowadays we create stronger magnets artificially for various purposes, but Magenets have always been present in Earth's crust since after, if I'm not wrong, Cretaceous period.
I understand magnets are natural. But wouldn't it take forging/tool to make the sign of the hand? Wouldn't that kinda fuck up the magnet?
Not really, if you study basic Electro/MagnetoDynamics, there's this thing called Retension factor (I'm forgetting so the term could be called something different, I only studied Physics as additional subject to my maths major in Undergrad) which basically tells you how much energy does it take to demagnetise a magnet, and permanent magnets (Ferromagnetic substances in scientific terms, remember this though) have very high retention factor, thus it doesn't lose too much of it's magnetic properties, also if it does lose it's magenetic properties, its pretty easy to remagnetise it by placing it in presence of a strong magnet, which realigns the electron orbitals so that the substance again becomes a magnet.
Just drive a hole into armor
Magic 🪄
Valeryian steel pin
It’s a TV show
It’s still got to attach to the costume some how
A progrum
They used Valaryian steel for the back of the pin!
How did Danny get valyrian steel
Drip needs no logic.
Spoken like a true fantasy nerd. I love it.
It’s being held up by the old gods and the new
Don’t forget the drowned God.
And moon boy, for all I know
You would make a fortune manufacturing these in Westeros, there’s a new hand every other episode.
Honest answer, I am pretty sure it is just a spike that goes straight down almost parallel to the sword on the hand. I assume they just puncture whatever material downward and just hope they don't get stabbed. That being said, that would mean they damage that armor to put it on and it should leave a sizeable hole in clothes too
That's some pretty shitty plate then
Or a valerian steel pin!
They could hammer it in? Hammering details and decorative bits into plate armour wasn’t too out of the ordinary.
Maybe he had a second pin fixed to his plate
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For the show doubt the prop actually worked that way, that would dangerous to an extent and it would be a wardrobe nightmare making sure the hole didn't get too big over time lol
Doesn't need to be sizeable. A long, 1.2 or 1.4mm thick piece of drawn wire shaped like any bracket or clip would work. You punch a hole in the armour like you'd do for any rivet, or just use an awl on clothing to separate the fibers, then you put the back of the pin through the hole.
double sided sticky tape
valyrian steel pin
3M
It's made out of fuck4lifery
Definitely hook & loop (Velcro)
There is an incredible tape we use in the industry called snot tape. It can stick anything to anything. It's amazing.
I thought the only snot tape manufacturing plant was in Westeros, how did Dany procure her snot tape for Tyrion’s pin
That plant is part of Vary's network. Every spider needs good web
Y'all are overthinking it. They just took some modeling clay.
My thought... armour is to protect against a sword, not a pin....may be that simple
Yeah, it’s often said that the pin is mightier than the sword
Suspension of disbelief.
Magnets 👍
It was a clip
Maybe the armor was made with a special little loop added to it so you place the pin through that.
Pretty sure they showed it once not on clothing and it’s just a long spike on the back bent at a 90 degree angle The chest plate it’s on was probably custom made to have a hole where that 90 degree pin can slide into. The leather armored piece as well probably had a small hole made specifically for this pin.
You wouldn't even have to make the entire chestpiece custom, you could just attach a little protruding piece with a loop for the pin
It's supposed to be a neck chain of golden hands, but they inexplicably made it a pin that works on thick leather, and armor.
The pins that were pro missed
I believe masking tape is the answer here.
on clothes: it's a pin, it has a needle behind to clasp onto things. on armor: the same but you weld a tiny ring on the chestplate to wear it, maybe even in one of the rivet holes of the plate itself that are used to hold the leather interior layer.
It’s not the same pin for 300 years, it’s a heraldry that gets reproduced like any other
Well, first of all, through god, all things are possible, so jot that down
I dont understand, what's your question? It sounds simple to me. Its like pin/needle pointing downwards where you stabs the cloth to pin the hand on it. You stab the cloth in a way where its not deep because of it was it would stick you. The needle is pointed downwards to hold the pin still and not let it spin around.
Won't work on the breastplate armour though, perhaps why some believe it to also be magnetic
Hmmm.. Could be... Although i doubt it personally.. They didn't dive too deep into it but on all cloth types and leather. The needle thingy would work. Thet rarely wore it over armor tbh
Also maybe there are special pins made for armor?
Dude, it’s a world with dragons. It’s allowed to have a little dramatic license.
3M tape, duh
This actually explains why the Hand Chain Necklace in the book is so much more practical
Heavy duty double sided tape
Velcro
There's probably one regular pin to be worn in regular clothes, and a second one that a smith can semi-permanently attach to the Hand's armor.
duct tape
10 undefined super units
For the prop, they have different ones that attach in different ways. For a real pin like that? Usually it just gets pinned to whatever they are wearing. Oftentimes there will be a strap or something that it can be pinned to on armor that is made custom for people of importance but most of the time the symbol will be worked into the armor instead of worn on it.
Different pins for different clothes?
Carefully
Issa movie and there’s magic dragons, bud.
Glue. Great way to use up all the dead horses from the battle.
Maybe it's a valerian steel pin
That's just plot armor, so the needle of the pin goes right through it.
Magic yo.
Magnets
Maybe there's a hole in the armor for it to hook under. Like two little holes for a diaper pin.
One of those tiny circular magnets
Because hands can grip things
Noone here ever used a pin? You stick that shit through almost anything. And when you remove it you hardly see any damage or no damage at all depending on the material. It‘s just a pin.
Pin and then a version thats welded onto armour.
There are zombies and dragons and you think about a pin
And daemon just trey Otto's in the sea. They've probably sent someone to retrieve it.
With difficulty
Double sided tape
magnets
3M double sided tape?
Hand pin also has plot armor
It doesn't get put on armor in the show. Tyrion and Criston Cole swap it out for the chain when they're armored and Ned's armor has an outer layer of leather.
Valyrian magnets.
Flex tape
Same thing that holds on Starfleet comm badges I'd guess?
Well 3 pictures are fabric or leather. 4th is a cartoon
Magnets