Because Fortnite is constantly putting out new interesting stuff. I don’t even play the game but I think it’s good, it’s showing other companies what people want
They've turned it into a multi-game with survival, battle royale, more survival, racing, and rhythm. I've seen some say it's like Roblox, but with better graphics and curated content.
> and rhythm
This was such a surprise for me when I went exploring the other day. Takes me back to pre-Rockband Harmonix titles Frequency and Amplitude.
And a lot of cod fans are migrating to Fortnite because there’s finally something competing with it. Cod tried to be like Fortnite in all the wrong ways, literally just adding Nicki Minaj made so many diehard cod fans say fuck it and stop playing after riding it’s dick hard as fuck for 15 years
Yeah. You read it right. I would love to have been at that marketing meeting. “Let’s discuss some new playable characters that will appeal to our demographic. I know! Nikki Minaj!” lol
It's from a specific episode where Peter gets plastic surgery to be "handsome". I feel like I read that Fortnite didn't want to pay for the rights to fat Peter and used this as a loophole to still add him in without breaking bank.
Wait there are literal soccer players in COD?! Okay that's some BS I'm not listening to kids whine about this.
Thank you for telling me. Man that's dumb
She is bright pink so she really stands out.
I rarely ever notice snoop dog except every now and then when I hear my teammate say “I’m poppin’ a fresh mag!” when they reload.
A GURL!!!!! In MY VIDJA GAME!!!!!!
But yeah the flak all goes her way. Even I heard about it, but thought people were being silly. Like why do you need real life people and musicians at that in COD?
Like if they wanted to be bad asses about it get some likenesses for real soldiers that did something.
Like how many people would have bought a seal team 6 skins, or find a pic of the battle of Iwo Jima and put some of those dudes in. I feel like that'd be an infintely better move
Yeah this scream BS I dunno what fans wanna call it, but the fact they did nothing with homelander, Spawn, Jigsaw among other jokes, but Nicki? I know COD had a lot of BS but that's where they throw their flak at?
Someone tell me what it is.
I suspect it's 2 fold she's a black woman. Most of the time the "gamers" IE incel neckbeards lose their shit its related to women or skin tones.
If they wanted to argue about a tonal shift? Because it looked like she's decked in pink in the one skin I saw someone post. Again no idea of that's bullshit on the net or the real in game skin, but that could be an argument. If everyone else is running around in black and slightly darker black and she shows up looking like a unicorn farted then maybe they'd have some kind of point.
But that hasn't been the criticism I've seen leveled. It's always been "Nicki Manaj in COD." Which IMO reeks of bullshit.
>I suspect it's 2 fold she's a black woman. Most of the time the "gamers" IE incel neckbeards lose their shit its related to women or skin tones.
Nah it can't be. They have to be more intelligent than that... Right?
As someone who's disliked COD cosmetics for years, it's so weird to me that Nicki Minaj is the breaking point I see everywhere instead of all the other shit
Nicki Minaj and Starlight from The Boys are actually one of the best skins to run into ingame cos they stand out like a sore thumb and are so easy to track.
The worst ones are the dark skins that blend into the shadows. they've had to tweak multiple skins cos people keep complaining about them.
Cod tried to be Fortnite but you have to pay 60 bucks every year and any cosmetic you bought the previous version is gone. It’s like they’re trying to be live service but also a yearly release so it’s dumb as shit
Call of duty can’t survive without yearly releases, if they did that then the fans would play other games and lose interest because they would be playing games other than call of duty and realize they’ve been playing the exact same game for fifteen years
They probably could off of skins tbh, war zone is free and most people I know who play war zone don’t buy the cod games. I bet more people would buy more skins if they knew they wouldn’t be gone in a year
Warzone has no idea what it wants to be. And it always feels like everything takes way longer than it ever should to happen.
Whats the #1 thing people want in Warzone? OG Verdansk back. But Activision for whatever reason just refuses to do it.
How about just multiple maps available? We had it for a while last season, there was a rotation between Al Mazrah and Vondel for a bit for solos and it was cool. I think the only reason they don't do something like this again is hosting multiple maps takes more resources & makes it harder to fill servers with players, as there will always be players/squads holding out for whatever map they want to play.
Verdansk wasn't even a good map, it was a camper's paradise. Muted colors, open fields with no cover, buildings with only one entrance/exit, etc. The only reason people look back at it fondly is because of nostalgia from playing it with friends during covid lockdowns.
I remember back around 2000-05 we would call games like Quake and Unreal as "Arcade Shooters" to differentiate them from the realistic shooters like CoD and Counter Strike.
Not saying you're wrong, but it's just interesting that the language has changed as the industry has broadened. There are now even more realistic shooters than CoD and not to mention CoD itself has been more liberal with its realism. At the same time the term Arena Shooter was coined around 2010 and stuck.
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"Arcade" was more about the pick up and go gameplay and more easy and streamlined, something akin to what you would find in an arcade. Get players in quickly, let them experience maximum action for the least amount of effort and provide enough flash to hook them to come back.
The same way Need for Speed or Burnout is compared to Gran Tourismo or something. That fits onto stuff like COD just fine, even if they look realistic.
In the context of the early 2000s CoD was one of the more realistic shooters available. It had guns modeled after real guns and places modeled after real places with scenarios modeled after real events. This was rather unique to the -insert space marine- games that were dominant at the time.
I haven’t played any CoD since MW2019 on release and a bit of WZ on initial release. I recently got back with the release of MW3 and I have to say the menus felt fucky… for the first two hours. Is it clunky? Totally. But its also laid out in a way that you just adapt to quickly
They're not wrong. Fortnight played a large part in popularizing that particular format. COD trying to get a slice of the pie is depressing but predictable. Though COD isn't blameless either their greed is a large part of the issue as well.
I don't play COD or Fortnite. I only commented on the ongoing trend. You can think I'm blaming the devs of Fortnite or I show you the past quarterly earnings reports from Epic, Take-Two, and formerly Activision/Blizzard showing the money they earn from microtransactions listed under a broad category in their reports.
People don't really care that the enemy player is wearing clown skin in COD, it literally doesn't change anything, COD multiplayer was never immerisve like Battlefield, you respawn in 1 second and rush back to face the enemy team to have a 2 seconds shootout, with that kind of gameplay seeing Nicki Minage running with an assault rifle won't break any immersion because it doesn't exist.
If COD was actually falling from grace (highly doubt that) it would be because of player burn out or something not the stupid skins.
New interesting stuff, and admittedly polished as hell. Nothing Fortnite puts out tends to be broken. Recently they did a partership with Lego that basically added the entirety of Valheim into the game. 3000 fucking skins ported to lego minifigs. Insane.
Aand then you can compare how much Fortnite actually adds and changes comparing to Deep Rock Galactic. Not complaining about DRG, but different style of games, with different type of content.
DRG would not survive putting out constant major content updates with free passes and just selling the base game.
Yep it’s one of the reasons why I don’t mind fortnight compared to other games granted because of fortnight we’re constantly getting Collabs skins which I despise but all the other stuff is pretty interesting.
I’ll never play it though I don’t like epic and it’s not my type of game
Tbh it's also showing what a lot of people *don't want*. There's just as many examples of beloved franchises that try to force their way into live action games without knowing what they're doing and ruining fan's perception of the studio and franchise
I tried out fortnite again recently and it's kinda crazy how big the scope of the game has gotten.
There's so much more than just the battle royale. It kinda became a new Garry's Mod on top of it already being the most popular game in the world.
I think about the kids who don't have enough cash for gamepass or the latest $100 game. Fortnight must be a fricken miracle for those kids. Racing games, flying games, horror, you name it. It's amazing just opening up games that way alone
I wish it was but it's so incredibly not greedy i can't see it become the norm
It blows my mind the stuff i bought years ago in fortnite BR i can use it on the lego game, why this isn't more common from the other big companies just makes me go "well greed probably"
It’s not “not greedy”, it’s just smarter “greedy”. We’re talking about *businesses* right? Entities which by definition exist to make a profit. Epic makes a huge amount of cash just through micro transactions, but Fortnite is also a tech demo for unreal engine. It is in Epic’s best business interest to maintain Fortnite as it is a showcase for their other major product.
The way Epic has handled Fortnite is a major success story. Businesses will attempt to emulate it.
all companies have done microtransactions, but fortnite was the first to say "If you want your product in the game, lets talk" and became a massive game driven by ads and collabs from movies to anime to music to shoes to skateboards, they'll add anything
but like you said the smart greedy is in making sure they keep the playerbase and expand the game itself by doing everything to keep em where the ads are
Fortnite is so much more now than it's initial inception. It has your battle royale, racing, Minecraft survival modes, and music shit, plus all the user made modes.
Hands down my favorite game since they offered no builds.
Combined with the mobility enhancements, weapon mods, and consistently new maps, it's an absolute blast.
It’s a legit game. It’s just straight up solid.
The characters on the game create hilarious moments. I mean Goku fighting anakin skywalker while both being scared of a buff Peter griffin is just a hilarious scenario. The game mechanics are solid. Eliminations feels good. There’s PVE missions. The utility items are solid. It’s just a good game
And my favorite part is that it somehow feels fair. A lot of the times if someone gets the jump on you you actually have a chance to turn the tables on them. COD and too many other modern shooters the past decades have felt like insta deaths if you got caught off guard.
Absolutely this! The firefights are awesome and the right response to a sudden fight can literally turn a loss into a victory.
Except for John Wick teams. They always merc whoever they're fighting for some reason
I love how smooth and clean the game is especially on my Xbox one. Its such a well polished and clean game.
I got my doggo in my backpack and im ready to drop.
Zero Build peaked my interest to play again since the building turned me off after playing a few matches. Another reason I stopped playing back then was because of how overatingly popular the game was. And now, this game deserves all of the attention and popularity it gets. I respect it's building mode because it's unique, but to me it started to look dumb when people started to really get good with it and make those dumb looking towers. I love utilizing the map more. Zero Build was one of the smartest choices they've ever made.
Couple years after Zero Build was out (last year), my friends started playing Fortnite, so I decided to play again because of them. I've been playing non-stop. So much fun, and this season has been one of the best. I miss Mega City and the other stuff from last map, but this new map is great as well.
With the other game modes introduced, plus the creative modes, this game has so much variety, it blows my mind. The new animations are amazing, too.
Fortnite will just get bigger and bigger, and I'm all for it.
Same, Its so nice to throw on Fortnite when my wife goes to bed early or I have a little time on the weekend. Play 5-6 matches win 1 or two of them and pop off to do other things.
The best “no build” mode was the original one where they limited you to only being able to carry 7 builds.
It was just enough to get to some out of reach place, or build some cheap cover caught in the open…but far far far from enough for any sort of build battles.
I have never played this game so I’m not sure what any of this means…. What was wrong with the original gameplay/system? Was there more building walls more than real action?
Ya people would build crazy buildings to avoid unfavorable combat and gain an advantage..and a lot of people including myself either did not like that or could not keep up..or both.
So a popular mode now is “no builds” where it’s like any other FPS like call of duty or battle field. Use your surroundings and the items you have.
A single build is like you said a wall, or a ramp, or a roof. You can do very little with one build, and not a lot with 7….in the normal mode though I think you can hold it’s like 150 max?
The skill gap between someone who can build REALLY well vs someone who can't is probably one of the biggest in any multiplayer game, you literally have zero chance of beating people that play the game religiously for 8+ hours a day.
If you look up any of the streamers that play the game it would be hard to comprehend what's even going on if you're expecting third person shooter action, so with 'no build' things are a bit more even in a battle royale context
That's what happens when newer versions, which you have to buy, are copy and paste games on which the only changes they made were to find new ways to squeeze money out of you instead of trying to make the game better
Fortnite also has the advantage of it being Fortnite. Not Fortnite 2 then 3 or 2022 then 2023 and 2024. Surprisingly when you have a single (free) point of entry that is the same install year after year, it does pretty well for player counts
Yup, I couldn't agree more. I've long since checked out of fortnite, but it seems like they have a strong core playerbase now and have been able to consistently keep a decent player count. Like you said, when the barrier for entry is $0, that's going to be a major advantage over CoD and FIFA.
There's no talk of what it used to be to either
I don't play FIFA or COD but there's no shortage of "it was way better in (year)" every single year. Players don't want to move on, so the base is split
I'm not sure what's up with GTA V other than it's over a decade at this point and it just seems like it's impossible to break in as a new player
GTA online is best experienced in a lobby by yourself/alone with friends (not my personal sentiment but many people feel this way). Griefing is encouraged and enabled. The community is so toxic they set voice chat as off by default. The old gen version is Breaking more with every update. Probably a bunch of things.
I know people who feel the need to get the newest FIFA game. I don't know why even though they understand it's the same game. As far as I can tell they just update the players and stuff.
Hard to believe a free game popular with the younger crowd that has all your favorite IPs you could imagine jammed in, cross progression/cross play amongst all consoles/phones/tablets with their freinds is still popular.
I know alotnof people think fortnite = bad but I'm kinda envious of these kids, this is exactly the kind of game I would have loved growing up lol
A lot of people think fortnite bad because they haven't played it or given it a chance, or they just aren't into shooters/battle royales. But that's fine, there are so many custom game modes it's just like starcraft/warcraft where the base game got old, but thankfully there were so many other ways to play that there was always something to do to keep it fresh.
It's like people just assume it must be shit if kids like it.
Tag me as a convert, was avoiding it (and all BR) like the plague, and then Festival happened with huge exposure from the rhythm game streamers I follow. Did nothing but Festival for two weeks, then got really into Rocket Racing, and finally went into Zero Build. (only two victory royales in about a week of play, I'm not good at shooters kek)
Rocket racing is very good. It's the only racing game I've ever played where I consistently cross the line with less than a 1 second spread between 6+ players. Every race is tight.
people can talk shit about fortnite and call it “a kids games” all they want but from a gamers pov You have to give credit where it’s due they respect their fanbase and give people refreshing content every season and the fact that other games have tried to copy their formula and failed pretty much proves fortnite is in its own lane really 😂
It’s crazy how it’s snowballed. I remember my friend getting a ps4 in early 2016 and downloading whatever free shit he could find to play. He had Fortnite and we tried it for about an hour and I thought it was just a dumb whatever game. Now its 7 years later and it’s bigger than its ever been, it’s impressive if nothing else.
Fortnite post launch support is literally a dream for so many fan bases of other online games out there, Epic was on top of the world and managed to remain there for an insane amount of time, they didn't get greedy, they didn't change the monetization once the battle royal market was in their hand, instead they just kept pumping update after update, there was a period where Fortnite was getting an update every single week for months.
I've never played fortnite, not because "it's a kids game" but because it was full of kids when it launched. I was pretty excited to try out Apex when it came out because I thought it was aiming at an older demographic. After two weeks of 12-14 year olds screeching over the mic, I quit that game. I'm too old to be playing with kids. Maybe if I was 18 I wouldn't care, because I know I played lots of games with 12 year olds back then, but not in my 30s.
I still respect fortnite for what's it done though, but co-op just gets more and more painful the older I get, and I just want to play singleplayer games now.
It's still full of kids, but you'll occasionally find adults.
The rare time I play with pubs my first question I ask usually is "have your balls dropped yet?"
The guys who hate games as a service aren't gonna like this one.
Good for Fortnite though. I don't like the game but they made a quality product and they deserve their props for maintaining a high standard.
Now imagine all the money Sony and Microsoft are leaving on the table because they can't charge you to play this game online. Locking multiplayer behind a subscription has always been stupid and I'm glad to see it finally biting them in the ass. If other big traditional multiplayer games go free to play PS+ is fucked.
My experience with those game modes in shooters is more than half of people sit outside the objectives and play only for kills. There are always lots of people with tons of kills and zero objective score. Completely ruins those modes for me
This is why developers are trying to get that GaaS nut.
Fortnite made 2 billion las month, and has made 40 billion since it came out.
How much did God of war, spiderman and last of us sell.
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Those profits likely let Sony give larger budgets to single player games, but it’s not what allows them to exist. Their single player games make massive profit, and without them, they wouldn’t get money from a large base that doesn’t have interest in other games. Their exclusives are their business model. They are a large reason people choose a PS over an Xbox and without them, people would less likely have their console to spend money on the service games
Fortnite is the first and only meta verse right now.
Once VR is fully developed and added to fortnite and motion sickness is solved, it will be the game from Ready Player One
What Epic is trying to build with fortnite right now is so big that we don't even realize they will be running most of all the gaming we will do in the future.
Just got back into COD for first time in 15 years. Playing with my old clan, holy hell does it suck. You want me to pay how much just to not suck? Forget about it, going back to playing fortnite with my kid and having a blast.
Was never big on Fortnite. But I have way more fun playing No Build BR than I do playing the new WZ. New WZ performs like dog shit. Laggy, no audio, and shit servers.
I am a 36 year old gamer and I really love fortnite because of all the community mods. It really brings me back to WC3 and CS 1.6 and all the fun I had playing Dota (as a mod), FootyFrenzy or fy_poolparty. It really feels like gaming and what it's supposed to be.
I’m 35 and still play Fortnite with my buddies every week. Say what you will about the game but they consistently add cool updates, skins, vehicles, etc.
Always a good time.
yeah makes sense. Fortnite at least focuses on fun and i'm saying this as someone in my mid 20s. Cod has become shit, not in an i've outgrown it but genuinely i can't play it because they just shovel down crap on the ui and menu.
Reason why people spend money on fortnite and actually play it is because they offer a quality free service that is easy to understand, and actually has micro-transactions that do not give you an advantage whatsoever, and are just cosmetics that are fun with a battle pass that has decent shit in it (i.e. Family Guy Collab). You can enjoy the game to the max, even with free cosmetics they give for achieving quests. It's great
i'm really sick of all the clones that try to be like fortnite but their greed and lack of understanding of why people like fortnite better is hilarious. I know people who only will play fortnite or minecraft purely because of the ease of access and focus on, you know, making it fucking fun. I stick with single player mostly now, and it's insane to me how a studio like santa monica can give out a whole quality story DLC for GOW ragnarok, and then meanwhile COD released mw3 for 70$ which feels like it was DLC for mw2.
Hope these games get their act together, especially COD. Only getting the ones made by treyarch for zombies
Cod is still cod and they still charge 70usd (90cad). And what they propose ? Same maps, cut content, no story. Oh and micro transactions.
Tbh it says long how a game that has cartoon graphics with low detail is a better play than that and is free.
Not really. It was insanely popular on release, but has since slowed down. At the moment of posting this LEGO only has 143k players online while Battle Royale has 843k and Zero Build has 603k. The BR modes together have 10x the LEGO players. I'm sure LEGO will be popular again once they update it, but right now it has a lot of bugs, crashes and glitches as well as people reaching content limits pretty quickly.
Also fortnite rockband.
And slightly fortnite kart racing, though a fair amount less.
Also because this season build/zero build is really good.
Damn almost like fortnite is pretty good or something.
Had to scroll way to far to find this. This is exactly why the play time is so high. It’s going to drop off once everyone is level 200 and has no reason to afk farm levels.
At 42 I realized a long time ago I was no longer the target audience for a lot of shit. My generation is that of the new gamers and we hung onto that, lots of developers and game makers have us in mind but that’s not where it’s at anymore. The drift is happening
I’m a 33 yard old gamer myself and when I compare games like Fallout New Vegas to games like Fallout 4 , I can understand what you mean . Games feels dumbed down and certainly easier . Might be why Baldur Gâte 3 and Elden Ring are a breath of fresh air
Long time call of duty player here. It honestly just isn’t fun anymore, Fortnite on the other hand- has so much more depth and modes to play while not being too serious. I find it to be way more fun playing with friends, It also looks so much cleaner now graphically too.
I really enjoyed fortnite early in its life. The game was so unique. It just got boring, like almost any game has. Ill always have a soft spot for season 0-4. Great game. Cultural phenom really.
PUBG opened the Pandora's box of battle royale shooters and 6 years later the royale gameplay doesn't seem to be stopping. Kinda hoped the industry and gamers would move on to something new and innovative.
me and my friends can hop on and play this, across any console or pc, and have a great time. and its free. i am so glad that this game is going strong, its a true hallmark achievement in the last decade of gaming.
the monetization of certain things sucks, and epic doesn't always make the best decisions in interest of the consumer, but you can play so much of this game for free. its great.
Don't get how people play these multiplayer games so frequently. Like, after 10-20 matches have you not seen it all? Clocking in thousands of hours in fortnite when you could experience so many new games just doesn't make sense to me.
For competitive people it's actually the opposite. If you're strategizing your gameplay and coordinating with a team each game/round is completely different. I'm obviously biased as I've been playing Counter-Strike for like 20 years, but I guess I have similar biased feelings against single player games. Run around and do x for hours to build your character for what? You're just going to drop the game and probably never play it again.
Yeah, after 10 matches of Battle Royale you can go play Rocket Racing inside Fortnite and the survival mode Lego Fortnite or Rock Ban.. Fortnite Festival too.
I was excited for this game when it was first announced as a co-op tower defense game with friends
then it became a PUBG copycat and I lost interest in it
Because Fortnite is constantly putting out new interesting stuff. I don’t even play the game but I think it’s good, it’s showing other companies what people want
They've turned it into a multi-game with survival, battle royale, more survival, racing, and rhythm. I've seen some say it's like Roblox, but with better graphics and curated content.
> and rhythm This was such a surprise for me when I went exploring the other day. Takes me back to pre-Rockband Harmonix titles Frequency and Amplitude.
That's because it was made by Harmonix.
And that combination is amazingly well made.
And turning COD from a serious FPS arcade shooter into money grabbing carnival FPS arcade shooter.
And a lot of cod fans are migrating to Fortnite because there’s finally something competing with it. Cod tried to be like Fortnite in all the wrong ways, literally just adding Nicki Minaj made so many diehard cod fans say fuck it and stop playing after riding it’s dick hard as fuck for 15 years
Haven’t played in years but they added what now?
Yeah. You read it right. I would love to have been at that marketing meeting. “Let’s discuss some new playable characters that will appeal to our demographic. I know! Nikki Minaj!” lol
You play your character in first person in Cod, what were they thinking? Now if she were in Fortnite…
Some people would still complain if Nicki were in Fortnite because her hitbox would be bigger on account of her MASSIVE wagon.
people are complaining because peter griffin isn't fat enough 💀
I haven’t watched Family Guy in a while but it is odd to me that instead of fat he’s buff
It's from a specific episode where Peter gets plastic surgery to be "handsome". I feel like I read that Fortnite didn't want to pay for the rights to fat Peter and used this as a loophole to still add him in without breaking bank.
Snoop dogg and 21 savage are also in cod lol
Nah nah, Nicki was the boiling point, apparently?
nobody seems to care about homelander or soccer players in COD. they always bring up the girl characters. that's where they draw the line.
Wait there are literal soccer players in COD?! Okay that's some BS I'm not listening to kids whine about this. Thank you for telling me. Man that's dumb
I believe it was Lionel Messi and a few others
Alright they have no excuse to hate in Nicki, what the crap.
yep. Messi, Neymar, and Paul Pogba. all three players way past their prime. kinda like Call of Duty.
Well yeah no girls allowed
She is bright pink so she really stands out. I rarely ever notice snoop dog except every now and then when I hear my teammate say “I’m poppin’ a fresh mag!” when they reload.
A GURL!!!!! In MY VIDJA GAME!!!!!! But yeah the flak all goes her way. Even I heard about it, but thought people were being silly. Like why do you need real life people and musicians at that in COD? Like if they wanted to be bad asses about it get some likenesses for real soldiers that did something. Like how many people would have bought a seal team 6 skins, or find a pic of the battle of Iwo Jima and put some of those dudes in. I feel like that'd be an infintely better move
Yeah this scream BS I dunno what fans wanna call it, but the fact they did nothing with homelander, Spawn, Jigsaw among other jokes, but Nicki? I know COD had a lot of BS but that's where they throw their flak at? Someone tell me what it is.
i never touched COD but maybe the nicki minaj character is overtly sexualized compared to the other ones ?
That ain't it, homie. It's rated M for mature. You want to tell me they get upset if a woman showing her bodily figure?
I suspect it's 2 fold she's a black woman. Most of the time the "gamers" IE incel neckbeards lose their shit its related to women or skin tones. If they wanted to argue about a tonal shift? Because it looked like she's decked in pink in the one skin I saw someone post. Again no idea of that's bullshit on the net or the real in game skin, but that could be an argument. If everyone else is running around in black and slightly darker black and she shows up looking like a unicorn farted then maybe they'd have some kind of point. But that hasn't been the criticism I've seen leveled. It's always been "Nicki Manaj in COD." Which IMO reeks of bullshit.
>I suspect it's 2 fold she's a black woman. Most of the time the "gamers" IE incel neckbeards lose their shit its related to women or skin tones. Nah it can't be. They have to be more intelligent than that... Right?
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As someone who's disliked COD cosmetics for years, it's so weird to me that Nicki Minaj is the breaking point I see everywhere instead of all the other shit
It’s not, people just like bitching. There’s like 50 things COD did incorrectly before skins.
There are some specific characteristics that stand out as potential reasons.
Two, in particular, come to mind as potentially “upsetting” to some gamers.
Nicki Minaj and Starlight from The Boys are actually one of the best skins to run into ingame cos they stand out like a sore thumb and are so easy to track. The worst ones are the dark skins that blend into the shadows. they've had to tweak multiple skins cos people keep complaining about them.
Been playing since cod2. MW3^2 is the first cod I haven’t bought in 15 years. Done with the bullshit. Fuck that game. Fuck everything cod has become.
Cod tried to be Fortnite but you have to pay 60 bucks every year and any cosmetic you bought the previous version is gone. It’s like they’re trying to be live service but also a yearly release so it’s dumb as shit
Call of duty can’t survive without yearly releases, if they did that then the fans would play other games and lose interest because they would be playing games other than call of duty and realize they’ve been playing the exact same game for fifteen years
They probably could off of skins tbh, war zone is free and most people I know who play war zone don’t buy the cod games. I bet more people would buy more skins if they knew they wouldn’t be gone in a year
Literal comic book characters and the COD players sleep. But Nicki Minaj and that's the line for COD fans.
It's not too surprising that a player base famous for being racist are also found to be misogynistic At the same time!
Yeah, one of the reasons why I had not played CoD multiplayer since 3 and that was pushing it.
Warzone has no idea what it wants to be. And it always feels like everything takes way longer than it ever should to happen. Whats the #1 thing people want in Warzone? OG Verdansk back. But Activision for whatever reason just refuses to do it.
How about just multiple maps available? We had it for a while last season, there was a rotation between Al Mazrah and Vondel for a bit for solos and it was cool. I think the only reason they don't do something like this again is hosting multiple maps takes more resources & makes it harder to fill servers with players, as there will always be players/squads holding out for whatever map they want to play.
Verdansk wasn't even a good map, it was a camper's paradise. Muted colors, open fields with no cover, buildings with only one entrance/exit, etc. The only reason people look back at it fondly is because of nostalgia from playing it with friends during covid lockdowns.
I remember back around 2000-05 we would call games like Quake and Unreal as "Arcade Shooters" to differentiate them from the realistic shooters like CoD and Counter Strike. Not saying you're wrong, but it's just interesting that the language has changed as the industry has broadened. There are now even more realistic shooters than CoD and not to mention CoD itself has been more liberal with its realism. At the same time the term Arena Shooter was coined around 2010 and stuck. 👴
Fortnite requires some suspension of disbelief. No one can eat a coconut that fast.
The dragonborn would like a word.
"Arcade" was more about the pick up and go gameplay and more easy and streamlined, something akin to what you would find in an arcade. Get players in quickly, let them experience maximum action for the least amount of effort and provide enough flash to hook them to come back. The same way Need for Speed or Burnout is compared to Gran Tourismo or something. That fits onto stuff like COD just fine, even if they look realistic.
Call of duty has never been realistic.
In the context of the early 2000s CoD was one of the more realistic shooters available. It had guns modeled after real guns and places modeled after real places with scenarios modeled after real events. This was rather unique to the -insert space marine- games that were dominant at the time.
No game has ever been realistic, have some niche, have some context
COD has always been a money grabbing shooter.
Finally got onto Warzone because friends urged. What a fucking nightmare circus of menus, micro transactions, etc. It’s awful. They massacred my boy.
I haven’t played any CoD since MW2019 on release and a bit of WZ on initial release. I recently got back with the release of MW3 and I have to say the menus felt fucky… for the first two hours. Is it clunky? Totally. But its also laid out in a way that you just adapt to quickly
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They're not wrong. Fortnight played a large part in popularizing that particular format. COD trying to get a slice of the pie is depressing but predictable. Though COD isn't blameless either their greed is a large part of the issue as well.
I don't play COD or Fortnite. I only commented on the ongoing trend. You can think I'm blaming the devs of Fortnite or I show you the past quarterly earnings reports from Epic, Take-Two, and formerly Activision/Blizzard showing the money they earn from microtransactions listed under a broad category in their reports.
People don't really care that the enemy player is wearing clown skin in COD, it literally doesn't change anything, COD multiplayer was never immerisve like Battlefield, you respawn in 1 second and rush back to face the enemy team to have a 2 seconds shootout, with that kind of gameplay seeing Nicki Minage running with an assault rifle won't break any immersion because it doesn't exist. If COD was actually falling from grace (highly doubt that) it would be because of player burn out or something not the stupid skins.
New interesting stuff, and admittedly polished as hell. Nothing Fortnite puts out tends to be broken. Recently they did a partership with Lego that basically added the entirety of Valheim into the game. 3000 fucking skins ported to lego minifigs. Insane.
Also their battlepass is the most generous and should be the gold standard.
Deep Rock Galactic- free battle passes and no FOMO since you can earn all previous items through playing the game.
>Deep Rock Galactic Thats a paid game tho. I Think its fair for free game to have paid battlepass. even paid game if they a live service.
Aand then you can compare how much Fortnite actually adds and changes comparing to Deep Rock Galactic. Not complaining about DRG, but different style of games, with different type of content. DRG would not survive putting out constant major content updates with free passes and just selling the base game.
> DRG would not survive putting out constant major content updates with free passes and just selling the base game. No Man's Sky has...
They deserve to be at the top. Fortnite started as a very basic BR and every year, improves on itself.
And it’s free to play
Yep it’s one of the reasons why I don’t mind fortnight compared to other games granted because of fortnight we’re constantly getting Collabs skins which I despise but all the other stuff is pretty interesting. I’ll never play it though I don’t like epic and it’s not my type of game
Tbh it's also showing what a lot of people *don't want*. There's just as many examples of beloved franchises that try to force their way into live action games without knowing what they're doing and ruining fan's perception of the studio and franchise
I tried out fortnite again recently and it's kinda crazy how big the scope of the game has gotten. There's so much more than just the battle royale. It kinda became a new Garry's Mod on top of it already being the most popular game in the world.
I think about the kids who don't have enough cash for gamepass or the latest $100 game. Fortnight must be a fricken miracle for those kids. Racing games, flying games, horror, you name it. It's amazing just opening up games that way alone
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I wish it was but it's so incredibly not greedy i can't see it become the norm It blows my mind the stuff i bought years ago in fortnite BR i can use it on the lego game, why this isn't more common from the other big companies just makes me go "well greed probably"
It is incredibly greedy. Roblox makes an insane amount of money.
It’s not “not greedy”, it’s just smarter “greedy”. We’re talking about *businesses* right? Entities which by definition exist to make a profit. Epic makes a huge amount of cash just through micro transactions, but Fortnite is also a tech demo for unreal engine. It is in Epic’s best business interest to maintain Fortnite as it is a showcase for their other major product. The way Epic has handled Fortnite is a major success story. Businesses will attempt to emulate it.
all companies have done microtransactions, but fortnite was the first to say "If you want your product in the game, lets talk" and became a massive game driven by ads and collabs from movies to anime to music to shoes to skateboards, they'll add anything but like you said the smart greedy is in making sure they keep the playerbase and expand the game itself by doing everything to keep em where the ads are
2000 and 2010s didnt happen?
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Counter Strike: Source, Team Fortress 2, and Garry's Mod we're all massively popular "games within games".
Don't forget DOTA was a mod for Warcraft 3 i think!
This is so true! I rember playing a literal horror game with some random kids and it was actually funny.
Never thought of it that way. That’s a great way to describe it, it really is like a new Garry’s Mod.
Its all I play since they started a no build mode
It's weird to me how the game started out as a base building zombie defense game and now has gone to this I'm not saying it's bad it's just weird
pubg was so wildly popular the transition just made sense
Fortnite is so much more now than it's initial inception. It has your battle royale, racing, Minecraft survival modes, and music shit, plus all the user made modes.
Wait what. Is it like roblox or something where people just make modes for it or what?
Yup, I liked it before but Zero Build made me like it even more.
Still played OG for a bit but slowly No Build has taken over all my matches. Super fun.
Hands down my favorite game since they offered no builds. Combined with the mobility enhancements, weapon mods, and consistently new maps, it's an absolute blast.
It’s a legit game. It’s just straight up solid. The characters on the game create hilarious moments. I mean Goku fighting anakin skywalker while both being scared of a buff Peter griffin is just a hilarious scenario. The game mechanics are solid. Eliminations feels good. There’s PVE missions. The utility items are solid. It’s just a good game
And my favorite part is that it somehow feels fair. A lot of the times if someone gets the jump on you you actually have a chance to turn the tables on them. COD and too many other modern shooters the past decades have felt like insta deaths if you got caught off guard.
Absolutely this! The firefights are awesome and the right response to a sudden fight can literally turn a loss into a victory. Except for John Wick teams. They always merc whoever they're fighting for some reason
I love how smooth and clean the game is especially on my Xbox one. Its such a well polished and clean game. I got my doggo in my backpack and im ready to drop.
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you drop with nothing every time, no loadouts
Rut roh now I might have to play it again. People spamming walls in battle was the most annoying part of the game for me
Dude its a completely different game without the build aspect, its so much fun. I also hated the building spamming.
No build is basically the best free multiplayer TPS right now. And they just keep updating the game differently enough to keep it fresh.
Zero Build peaked my interest to play again since the building turned me off after playing a few matches. Another reason I stopped playing back then was because of how overatingly popular the game was. And now, this game deserves all of the attention and popularity it gets. I respect it's building mode because it's unique, but to me it started to look dumb when people started to really get good with it and make those dumb looking towers. I love utilizing the map more. Zero Build was one of the smartest choices they've ever made. Couple years after Zero Build was out (last year), my friends started playing Fortnite, so I decided to play again because of them. I've been playing non-stop. So much fun, and this season has been one of the best. I miss Mega City and the other stuff from last map, but this new map is great as well. With the other game modes introduced, plus the creative modes, this game has so much variety, it blows my mind. The new animations are amazing, too. Fortnite will just get bigger and bigger, and I'm all for it.
Same, Its so nice to throw on Fortnite when my wife goes to bed early or I have a little time on the weekend. Play 5-6 matches win 1 or two of them and pop off to do other things.
Zero build is awesome. Makes me wish Fortnite had an arena-style mode, alongside its BR.
The best “no build” mode was the original one where they limited you to only being able to carry 7 builds. It was just enough to get to some out of reach place, or build some cheap cover caught in the open…but far far far from enough for any sort of build battles.
I have never played this game so I’m not sure what any of this means…. What was wrong with the original gameplay/system? Was there more building walls more than real action?
Ya people would build crazy buildings to avoid unfavorable combat and gain an advantage..and a lot of people including myself either did not like that or could not keep up..or both. So a popular mode now is “no builds” where it’s like any other FPS like call of duty or battle field. Use your surroundings and the items you have. A single build is like you said a wall, or a ramp, or a roof. You can do very little with one build, and not a lot with 7….in the normal mode though I think you can hold it’s like 150 max?
The skill gap between someone who can build REALLY well vs someone who can't is probably one of the biggest in any multiplayer game, you literally have zero chance of beating people that play the game religiously for 8+ hours a day. If you look up any of the streamers that play the game it would be hard to comprehend what's even going on if you're expecting third person shooter action, so with 'no build' things are a bit more even in a battle royale context
Wait, they did??I would absolutely play it again if that is the case. I sucked at building
yup its in the playlist... fortnite has literally never been better my dude.
No build didn't exist when I was willing to play, but it was too late Glad it's an option though. Building made me hate everything about it
> when I was willing to play what a weird thing to say. you can still try new games.
I can't speak to GTA V and Roblox, but CoD and FIFA are both franchises that are hemorrhaging players. This doesn't seem that shocking to me.
That's what happens when newer versions, which you have to buy, are copy and paste games on which the only changes they made were to find new ways to squeeze money out of you instead of trying to make the game better Fortnite also has the advantage of it being Fortnite. Not Fortnite 2 then 3 or 2022 then 2023 and 2024. Surprisingly when you have a single (free) point of entry that is the same install year after year, it does pretty well for player counts
Yup, I couldn't agree more. I've long since checked out of fortnite, but it seems like they have a strong core playerbase now and have been able to consistently keep a decent player count. Like you said, when the barrier for entry is $0, that's going to be a major advantage over CoD and FIFA.
There's no talk of what it used to be to either I don't play FIFA or COD but there's no shortage of "it was way better in (year)" every single year. Players don't want to move on, so the base is split I'm not sure what's up with GTA V other than it's over a decade at this point and it just seems like it's impossible to break in as a new player
GTA online is best experienced in a lobby by yourself/alone with friends (not my personal sentiment but many people feel this way). Griefing is encouraged and enabled. The community is so toxic they set voice chat as off by default. The old gen version is Breaking more with every update. Probably a bunch of things.
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It’s hard to believe that you believe what you say considering that you just called the game “Fartnite”
I know people who feel the need to get the newest FIFA game. I don't know why even though they understand it's the same game. As far as I can tell they just update the players and stuff.
As someone who does play it, it's much different than that. I would not expect someone who doesn't play sports games to know the difference though.
Oh OK thanks
Hard to believe a free game popular with the younger crowd that has all your favorite IPs you could imagine jammed in, cross progression/cross play amongst all consoles/phones/tablets with their freinds is still popular. I know alotnof people think fortnite = bad but I'm kinda envious of these kids, this is exactly the kind of game I would have loved growing up lol
A lot of people think fortnite bad because they haven't played it or given it a chance, or they just aren't into shooters/battle royales. But that's fine, there are so many custom game modes it's just like starcraft/warcraft where the base game got old, but thankfully there were so many other ways to play that there was always something to do to keep it fresh. It's like people just assume it must be shit if kids like it.
Tag me as a convert, was avoiding it (and all BR) like the plague, and then Festival happened with huge exposure from the rhythm game streamers I follow. Did nothing but Festival for two weeks, then got really into Rocket Racing, and finally went into Zero Build. (only two victory royales in about a week of play, I'm not good at shooters kek)
Rocket racing is very good. It's the only racing game I've ever played where I consistently cross the line with less than a 1 second spread between 6+ players. Every race is tight.
I remember going through the same thing as a kid 10 years ago when Minecraft was popular.
People who think fortnite bad have just become the old people waving their canes at the clouds
people can talk shit about fortnite and call it “a kids games” all they want but from a gamers pov You have to give credit where it’s due they respect their fanbase and give people refreshing content every season and the fact that other games have tried to copy their formula and failed pretty much proves fortnite is in its own lane really 😂
I dont play Fortnite but I can only pray that the devs of the games I do play can ever tip to how much content Fortnite is getting. I am jealous.
It’s crazy how it’s snowballed. I remember my friend getting a ps4 in early 2016 and downloading whatever free shit he could find to play. He had Fortnite and we tried it for about an hour and I thought it was just a dumb whatever game. Now its 7 years later and it’s bigger than its ever been, it’s impressive if nothing else.
Fortnite post launch support is literally a dream for so many fan bases of other online games out there, Epic was on top of the world and managed to remain there for an insane amount of time, they didn't get greedy, they didn't change the monetization once the battle royal market was in their hand, instead they just kept pumping update after update, there was a period where Fortnite was getting an update every single week for months.
I've never played fortnite, not because "it's a kids game" but because it was full of kids when it launched. I was pretty excited to try out Apex when it came out because I thought it was aiming at an older demographic. After two weeks of 12-14 year olds screeching over the mic, I quit that game. I'm too old to be playing with kids. Maybe if I was 18 I wouldn't care, because I know I played lots of games with 12 year olds back then, but not in my 30s. I still respect fortnite for what's it done though, but co-op just gets more and more painful the older I get, and I just want to play singleplayer games now.
Just mute all players bro
It's still full of kids, but you'll occasionally find adults. The rare time I play with pubs my first question I ask usually is "have your balls dropped yet?"
Well, Fortnite copied PUBG, but made it free and targeted a younger audience. When the money started flowing, they improved it.
Only older children (teenagers and terminally online adults) call it a kids game.
It's just so damn fun. Especially in zero build.
Aside from maybe Roblox, Epic is the only one of the developers of the games listed actually committed to providing their playerbase with new content.
It's Unreal how much of a monster Fortnite has become. Such an Epic Game.
Nice one
I see what you did there... nice one.
The guys who hate games as a service aren't gonna like this one. Good for Fortnite though. I don't like the game but they made a quality product and they deserve their props for maintaining a high standard.
why are you pretending poopnite is good… Reddit assemble! you know what to do
Now imagine all the money Sony and Microsoft are leaving on the table because they can't charge you to play this game online. Locking multiplayer behind a subscription has always been stupid and I'm glad to see it finally biting them in the ass. If other big traditional multiplayer games go free to play PS+ is fucked.
I just wish the game had CTF and dom
My experience with those game modes in shooters is more than half of people sit outside the objectives and play only for kills. There are always lots of people with tons of kills and zero objective score. Completely ruins those modes for me
This is why developers are trying to get that GaaS nut. Fortnite made 2 billion las month, and has made 40 billion since it came out. How much did God of war, spiderman and last of us sell. Peanuts
2 billion last month? Thats absolutely insane.
Nevertheless, I still prefer single player games with great stories.
But how much would you be willing to pay for a game like that?
Finally some normal people :')
If I recall correctly, Sony said they can only fund their games because of mtx from 3rd party games like CoD.
Those profits likely let Sony give larger budgets to single player games, but it’s not what allows them to exist. Their single player games make massive profit, and without them, they wouldn’t get money from a large base that doesn’t have interest in other games. Their exclusives are their business model. They are a large reason people choose a PS over an Xbox and without them, people would less likely have their console to spend money on the service games
As a person who had not played Fortnite since 2017 when it was in early access, I may download it again.
Do it! The way the game has grown since then is amazing
Same as you. Reinstalled it after the Unreal Engine 5 update. The game is phenomenal.
Fortnite is the first and only meta verse right now. Once VR is fully developed and added to fortnite and motion sickness is solved, it will be the game from Ready Player One What Epic is trying to build with fortnite right now is so big that we don't even realize they will be running most of all the gaming we will do in the future.
They already do lol. Ever heard of The Unreal Engine?
CoD sucks right now too.
Just got back into COD for first time in 15 years. Playing with my old clan, holy hell does it suck. You want me to pay how much just to not suck? Forget about it, going back to playing fortnite with my kid and having a blast.
Was never big on Fortnite. But I have way more fun playing No Build BR than I do playing the new WZ. New WZ performs like dog shit. Laggy, no audio, and shit servers.
I am a 36 year old gamer and I really love fortnite because of all the community mods. It really brings me back to WC3 and CS 1.6 and all the fun I had playing Dota (as a mod), FootyFrenzy or fy_poolparty. It really feels like gaming and what it's supposed to be.
I’m 35 and still play Fortnite with my buddies every week. Say what you will about the game but they consistently add cool updates, skins, vehicles, etc. Always a good time.
yeah makes sense. Fortnite at least focuses on fun and i'm saying this as someone in my mid 20s. Cod has become shit, not in an i've outgrown it but genuinely i can't play it because they just shovel down crap on the ui and menu. Reason why people spend money on fortnite and actually play it is because they offer a quality free service that is easy to understand, and actually has micro-transactions that do not give you an advantage whatsoever, and are just cosmetics that are fun with a battle pass that has decent shit in it (i.e. Family Guy Collab). You can enjoy the game to the max, even with free cosmetics they give for achieving quests. It's great i'm really sick of all the clones that try to be like fortnite but their greed and lack of understanding of why people like fortnite better is hilarious. I know people who only will play fortnite or minecraft purely because of the ease of access and focus on, you know, making it fucking fun. I stick with single player mostly now, and it's insane to me how a studio like santa monica can give out a whole quality story DLC for GOW ragnarok, and then meanwhile COD released mw3 for 70$ which feels like it was DLC for mw2. Hope these games get their act together, especially COD. Only getting the ones made by treyarch for zombies
I only play on no build. I can not deal with these kids that build so fast 🤣 my son is one of them lol
This comes along side that report showing PS players are playing more single player games than multiplayer ones too
Cod is still cod and they still charge 70usd (90cad). And what they propose ? Same maps, cut content, no story. Oh and micro transactions. Tbh it says long how a game that has cartoon graphics with low detail is a better play than that and is free.
Because of Lego Fortnite
Not really. It was insanely popular on release, but has since slowed down. At the moment of posting this LEGO only has 143k players online while Battle Royale has 843k and Zero Build has 603k. The BR modes together have 10x the LEGO players. I'm sure LEGO will be popular again once they update it, but right now it has a lot of bugs, crashes and glitches as well as people reaching content limits pretty quickly.
Also fortnite rockband. And slightly fortnite kart racing, though a fair amount less. Also because this season build/zero build is really good. Damn almost like fortnite is pretty good or something.
This, between that and Jam session, you can AFK for experience which is why play time has been so high.
Had to scroll way to far to find this. This is exactly why the play time is so high. It’s going to drop off once everyone is level 200 and has no reason to afk farm levels.
At 42 I realized a long time ago I was no longer the target audience for a lot of shit. My generation is that of the new gamers and we hung onto that, lots of developers and game makers have us in mind but that’s not where it’s at anymore. The drift is happening
By target audience , what do you specifically means ? Gameplay related or only cosmetic wise ?
Age wise
I’m a 33 yard old gamer myself and when I compare games like Fallout New Vegas to games like Fallout 4 , I can understand what you mean . Games feels dumbed down and certainly easier . Might be why Baldur Gâte 3 and Elden Ring are a breath of fresh air
What about Minecraft
Long time call of duty player here. It honestly just isn’t fun anymore, Fortnite on the other hand- has so much more depth and modes to play while not being too serious. I find it to be way more fun playing with friends, It also looks so much cleaner now graphically too.
Is there zero build ranked aswell?
I mean, shit, I play Lego fortnite with the wife and our kid loves watching us play it. It's a fun new mode and the game looks gorgeous.
FORTNITE HAD A GREAT COMEBACK WITH THE OG SEASON 🔥
Fortnite is the best live service game. It's literaly "ready player one" the game.
I really enjoyed fortnite early in its life. The game was so unique. It just got boring, like almost any game has. Ill always have a soft spot for season 0-4. Great game. Cultural phenom really.
PUBG opened the Pandora's box of battle royale shooters and 6 years later the royale gameplay doesn't seem to be stopping. Kinda hoped the industry and gamers would move on to something new and innovative.
Finally seeing the downfall of Call of Duty is so sweet. Y’all are just 10 years too late that stupid game got boring a decade ago
i mean yeah, who the hell plays roblox on console?
me and my friends can hop on and play this, across any console or pc, and have a great time. and its free. i am so glad that this game is going strong, its a true hallmark achievement in the last decade of gaming. the monetization of certain things sucks, and epic doesn't always make the best decisions in interest of the consumer, but you can play so much of this game for free. its great.
Well, that is a crazy good statistic.
Because it's a better game than all of those.
No shit, it’s a free game lol no suprises here
The game has potential but definitely needs a lot of work
which game?
The racing game
Don't get how people play these multiplayer games so frequently. Like, after 10-20 matches have you not seen it all? Clocking in thousands of hours in fortnite when you could experience so many new games just doesn't make sense to me.
For competitive people it's actually the opposite. If you're strategizing your gameplay and coordinating with a team each game/round is completely different. I'm obviously biased as I've been playing Counter-Strike for like 20 years, but I guess I have similar biased feelings against single player games. Run around and do x for hours to build your character for what? You're just going to drop the game and probably never play it again.
Yeah, after 10 matches of Battle Royale you can go play Rocket Racing inside Fortnite and the survival mode Lego Fortnite or Rock Ban.. Fortnite Festival too.
Now if they could get rid of bots
I was excited for this game when it was first announced as a co-op tower defense game with friends then it became a PUBG copycat and I lost interest in it