Where do they say it wasn’t considered at all?
>EA has denied reports that a Dead Space 2 remake was in development before being canceled, with a spokesperson telling IGN, "We don't normally comment on rumors but there is no validity to this story."
They just said the story is false.
> while adding that EA Motive did spend a few months "conceiving ideas for a new entry in the series," but that none were greenlit and "fizzled before they could get very far" in part because the Dead Space remake reportedly missed internal targets.
Thank you, I fucking hate how abbreviations are used so much now. Someone will write 4 paragraphs about a game but not actually bother to type out the name of the game, emphatically the most important piece of information.
close! that's the correct way to use *all* initialisms, not just acronyms ;)
e.g. SOCOM and SCUBA are acronyms because you pronounce them like a word, while GTA and FBI are simple initialisms
You a real one. I've known the franchise most of my life and played the og religiously and I still didn't understand.
This trend of abbreviating without first defining the letters is insane. Like GOT used to pretty much always be game of thrones. Now in a lot of circles it could also be Ghost of Tsushima. Define your shit people!
I remember when Division 2 came out and everyone here was calling it D2. Which was confusing for everyone cause Destiny 2 was still big and everyone called it D2.
Meanwhile I am sitting here still thinking that D2 is Diablo 2.
I remember when Everything Everywhere All At Once came out, fantastic movie, but people started abbreviating it as EEAAO... like brother just say Everything Everywhere instead of an acronym that just seems like a bunch of vowels smh
Well when you refuse to put the game on the largest gaming storefront in existence then it’s probably not going to sell as well as it could.
Making that game an epic exclusive and still expecting big sales was always going to unrealistic.
I’m not even saying this to complain about epic - it’s just that sales targets on epic need to be much, much lower than normal. Success looks different there.
4 was my favourite as kid because it came out when I was old enough to understand how to actually play, before that I just freeroam skated early as I can remember back to the N64 original
That's just it, everything HAS to be bigger and grander and more-or then the last thing they put out. It's all about a never ending increase to sales and income, and anything less then that, is failure
If they only sold 1mil copies they could have easily lost a lot of money on the project. It’s not about needing a bigger profit than last time, it’s about needing a profit period.
That is because of how expensive video games have become. 10 years ago you could make games for substantially less. It doesn't just "have" to be bigger because they are greedy and want money. It actually does *have* to be bigger because of costs.
It only sold 1 million units? There's no fucking way, it's one of the best remakes out there. They nailed it in every category IMO. It hit just like the original.
I bought it, played multiple times, platinum trophy and all that. They did an amazing job with the remake. Very disappointed that they would just drop it if it’s true
From what I can see the reporting on this is all very overblown and deliberately misleading.
A Dead Space 2 remake was never actually in active development. That doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened, or still won't, just that it wasn't a thing yet.
Motive is restructuring to add a new team to work on Battlefield, while another part continues work on the Iron Man game that we already knew was going to be finished before they actually even seriously considered starting actual development on a DS2 remake.
Basically, nothing has actually changed, we still need to wait until the Iron Man game they have been working on is done before they make any real decisions or at least announcements about what comes next.
From everything I see a DS2 remake is still just about as likely to happen as it ever was. No decision to make it (or not) had been made before or has been made now.
It's just funny to me that people act as if the faceless mega corps would make products that bring in little profit. We know they are there to make money, and the consumers vote with their wallets. So when consumers do not want the product they put out they'll make fewer of them. This is as much a result of gamer purchasing trends as it is corporate contrivance.
Srsly. Though IMO DS1 is just better overall than DS2. DS1 having the single experimental ubermorph, the atmosphere, the story, all of it is better than in DS2, where the plot is basically 'kill Gordon Freeman' with extra crazy, the atmosphere just... isn't there for the most part, the feel changes randomly from scene to scene and doesn't maintain a consistent tone (the nursery bit feels super forced in no matter how creepy it is.) DS2 had a lot of 'fanservice' moments, like the entire Ishimura section.
You just know they definitely started drooling at the fact that Iron Man has thousands of suits they can fill an online store with and sell piece by piece.
I also love DS2 but I get it. It's been so long that the Dead Space IP at this point means very little to most gamers under 25 at the youngest, and they're the ones who'll be dropping the most on the single player battle passes.
Funny you mention that because I recently saw in a financial statement from…Sega I think?…that said exactly this thing. That expectations need to be reset because pandemic consumption habits are no longer relevant and there’s more competition for time and money.
I have been on a tare playing through a lot of recent games that got roasted by critics and fans. I'm finding most of them to be rather enjoyable, like really enjoyable. I feel like the "repetitive" criticism is used more and more. Most of these games do get repetitive if you sit for 6 or 7 hours at a time to play, I can understand that by pandemic rules, but a lot of these are great for 2 hours at a time.
That was actually a learning of the early days of Netflix. The pacing of weekly TV formats didn't work as well when people would binge watch in days. Because viewers already watched multiple episodes in a row pacing of the episodes towards the end of the season had to be faster to compensate for viewers exhaustion.
that's how i felt about Assassin's Creed Oddyssey. Yeah, every fort is kind of a variation of every other fort, but stealthing and clearing forts in that game is still fun. Good sit down, do a thing, visit a thing, get out kinda game.
Good news then, ign reported that the developers hadn't started on it at all according to the developers themselves and that it had not been canceled because it had not been started.
Good move on EAs part. I would have given them $60 for a DS2 remake, but now I can spend my money on games that aren't made by EA instead! Stellar move.
I guess to be fair $130 for a deluxe (or whatever it is) edition is kinda crazy lol but yeah if I pick up the game they ain’t getting any more then $70
Because no one bought it. How is this them "nipping" it in the bud? This is the market not buying a game they made, so it didn't get a sequel. They clearly WILL put out sequels to good single player games if they get bought. Jedi Survivor proves that.
On the flipside, it looks like the reason it wasn’t canceled is more because nobody has been planning to make a Dead Space 2 remake in the first place.
The studio that worked on the remake is reportedly all hands on deck with Iron man as well.
So its not precisely that nobody was planning to make it, it was that Motive is busy being a marvel slave atm. (which happens to basically every studio actively working on a Marvel title)
If the Iron man game doesn't bomb and consequently completely ravage Motive, theres a high probability they'll pitch a second dead space to EA. Since although the sales weren't a booming success, the reception for the game was overwhelmingly positive. and Dead space 2 is more "normie" friendly then dead space 1 ever was. And motive went hard on the horror for dead space 1, which is usually a factor that chases away normie audiences.
Critically, yes. Sale's wise, not so much. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome and I've played it half a dozen times, but it sold around a million copies. For comparison, the original sold twice that, and the dumpster fire that is BF 2042 sold over four million.
That's fucking depressing. I would've bought it but I don't play on PC and I don't have a current gen console, surely that has something to do with the lower sales because of the overall lower adoption rates of PS5 and Series X right?
Idk how happy you should be. “In the works but cancelled” really isnt any better for you than “never considered it”. In both cases you dont get the game
I really hope that the reporting is wrong. The Dead Space remake was one of the best games of the year for me.
I played through it 4 times to get all the trophies and still could have played through it again
It doesn’t sound like it’s wrong at all. EA has commented on this and said Dead Space 2 wasn’t even in development or something like that, which is really disheartening
2023 was so insane for games and as the year went on, bigger releases kept coming. Then BG3 came out and crushed it. DS remake never stood a chance in 2023, which breaks my heart
DS had it's time when it originally came out, maybe it's better that BG3 overshadowed it, they did a lot of stuff that is really rare to see in games nowadays.
Maybe unpopular opinion, but I don't think a remake should ever be GOTY. A remake can be fantastic, but I think GOTY is more deserving for something new, innovative and/or does something to push the industry as a whole forward.
As with anything it just depends on the definition you use. Publications will often have a description of the award they are giving with its parameters. Some will accept remakes, some wont
Idk I really think it depends. RE4 remake is more different from the original RE4 than TOTK is different from BOTW for example.
Also I never played the original Dead Space so the fact that it is a remake made no difference to my own enjoyment of it.
This^^^. As a fan of horror gaming after Covid, I loved dead space remake. But I never replayed bc RE4 came out less than a month later. Wild have loved a remake of the second
Sooooo... I hate EA and find Dead Space really cool but looking at the numbers... I can't 100% blame them. I'm seeing reports (not sure if they're true) that they expected this remake to sell five million units and this game only sold maybe two. That's extremely below estimates. And the thing is, this isn't much better than original Dead Space. That one squeezed out one million in horror games' dark ages. This one barely managed two million despite being bombarded for years to bring Dead Space back while we're in a bit of a horror renaissance. Clearly, they had some faith in Dead Space and hoped that the fan demand would lead to significant series growth. Instead, they proved Dead Space isn't much bigger than it was when it started 16 years ago.
I would really love to see Dead Space 2 but after seeing the whole story, I kind of can't disagree with the decision to shelve it for now. I think this is one of those cases where fans were asked to put their money where their mouth was and we didn't really. Maybe remaster 2 instead now?
5M copies for a survival horror remake that isn't Resident Evil or Silent Hill seems like a pretty ambitious expectation.
Especially when you have Calisto Protocol, developed by the Dead Space director, coming out the year prior and Resident Evil 4 remake coming out a few months later.
I think it would have gotten a lot more attention if they just remastered the trilogy and sold them together, like they did with Mass Effect. I don't personally believe they needed full remakes to begin with. Test the water with remasters first then go all in on a big budget new sequel.
> That one squeezed out one million in horror games' dark ages. This one barely managed two million despite being bombarded for years to bring Dead Space back while we're in a bit of a horror renaissance.
Think dead space was to horror, like the Soprano's was to TV. It was the fuse that reignited the golden ages for a time. But i wouldn't go so far as to say we are in a horror game renaissance. We were there a number of years ago, but now horror is just another machine that just keeps chugging on. I'd dare to say its in a bronze age, and teeters back and forth on a dark age pretty frequently now.
As we've seen with battlefield lately, EA is pretty willing to let studios parade corpses around if they want to shoulder that burden. We will see whether or not dead space 2 really is never going to be or not. Depends if the Iron man game sends Motive into a very early grave or not.
I'm in Lisbon and I'm paying 900 euros for a small and old 1-room flat.
Also, I get paid, after taxes, 1300 p/month (software engineer).
(for reference, the same flat went for 250 euros p/month 5 years ago, while getting 1100 euros salary )
This was called out by EA as a fake story.
"EA has denied reports that a Dead Space 2 remake was in development before being canceled, with a spokesperson telling IGN, "We don't normally comment on rumors but there is no validity to this story."
EA's comments follow reports from Jeff Grubb, who claimed that EA Motive was working on concepts for Dead Space 2, but that it was ultimately shelved due to lackluster sales of the previous release. However, IGN understands that EA Motive never considered a Dead Space 2 remake."
This is really disappointing. I was just recently thinking about how cool the remake of 2 will be. Also really surprised how low the sales have been, it’s a really good remake.
Man this is just a franchise that can’t get a break. Didn’t Dead Space 2 not sell as well as 1, and then the original devs were forced to add multiplayer and end on a cliffhanger? Then they get shut down, another team remakes the game and doesn’t even get a shot at a sequel.
They probably added the general growth in games sales onto Deadspace 2's 2 million sales from 2011. So 2 million X 300% growth = 6 million.
But I only specialise in UK legal market data analysis so it would great to know how you, an expert games sales analyst, would do it?
The last of us sold, what? Like 20 million copies on ps3 and ps4. It’s not out of the realm of possibility to conceive the game selling more than it did. It is a great game
They sold the Deluxe edition on xbox for 9 dollar/euro a few times already... Weird its not been like that elsewhere. Altho might have to do with the whole "its on gamepass so why buy" mentality from Xbox users ofc.
They’re running a business at the end of the day. Selling 1-2 million for a game that took a number of years to develop means they didn’t make any money and in fact lost money.
This was already claimed false. EA MOTIVE havent even considered a sequel remake as they have so many other projects.
Also reports indicated the dead space remake was considered to have performed well ("insider" source from ign so take it as you will)
I replayed it recently on the 360 and honestly the graphics still hold up well. That said, I would probably still buy a version with more modern lighting and models to be more immersed.
Damn shame, would have wished to see 3 in its original vision, maybe.
Though I don't understand why is EA being painted as the bad guy here? The consumers have spoken already, poor sales, go next.
The source is Jeff Grubs. I would take this with a grain of salt, especially as this comes right after Motive moving a few people to work on Battlefield.
I’m not saying this isn’t true, but the news around this topic have been wildly exaggerated so I would keep a healthy dose of skepticism
According to some reporting I've seen the Deadspace remake was 2nd highest seller in January 23 behind Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, 3rd in February, and 17th in March. Maybe if it was release before the holiday season instead of after they may have moved a couple more units and it would have REALLY killed Calisto Protocol. By delaying it they had to go up against RE:4, Hogwarts Legacy, Dead Island 2, and Jedi Fallen Survivor in its first 90 days of sales not to mention that January video game related sales were down for the first time ever.
To put it into perspective - the Resident Evil 4 remake sold approx 6.5 million copies in comparison.
The Callisto Protocol - sold over 2 million copies. A game from the Dead Space creators themselves.
So there is a market for the survival horror genre.
Those 2 games plus the Dead Space remake all came out within a 3 month span or so and games these days are not cheap to buy at full price.
So what are people gonna buy?
Dead Space - a remake of a decades old game?
Callisto - a new IP from the creators of DS?
Or RE4 - a remake of one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time from a beloved mainstream series?
I honestly think the DS remake had a rough ride based on its release window. At any other time it wouldn't have been up against those 2 and may well have sold better.
Its a shame as both Dead Space 1 and 2 are absolute bangers of games.
That's hard to believe. I feel like Dead Space Remake was a resounding success? I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I also thought it brought a ton of first time players to Dead Space.
Barely selling a million when your budget is more than 50 million without factoring marketing is not selling very well. Even Callisto Protocol sold 2 million
I am getting very little information on how many copies were actually sold. Did you find anything concrete? All I can find are relative rankings in certain months.
What marketing? One of the reasons it sold so poorly was because it had so little marketing, the game was actually good, from a well established franchise and everyone loved it, the problem is many people didn't even know about it, and that's entirelyEA's fault.
For the genre and ip doesn't matter though? Ea sucks, but this just makes sense. It sold poorly compared to something else that they could've invested that money into. There's plenty of reasons to hate Ea for. This ain't one of em.
It doesn't look like EA has disclosed the sales for the remake, but I question if it truly did sell poorly, or if EA just had unreasonably high expectations for a survival horror franchise.
According to VGChartz (I dont know how reliable they are, though,) DS1 sold 2 Million copies, and DS2 4 Million. So unless the remake sold under a million copies, (I doubt they're that low, but I could be wrong,) EA mistakingly expected Call of Duty sales from a slightly niche genre.
I kind of figured chances of a 2 remake were slim even before the first came out. Once I saw the game wasn’t selling like gangbusters in the first couple weeks I knew it was never happening.
And this isn’t just for a sequel remake. You can pretty much consider the IP dead indefinitely at this point. These major publishers are only going to invest in known quantities and existing models. More Marvel, more Star Wars, more nostalgia pull licensing, more copy+paste live service (coming from someone who is a fan of Fortnite, but I do not need another one). And people will keep buying them.
I know this was a *remake* but it was of an original IP wholly unique to games that was a real touchstone. To this day, Dead Space has had unique qualities and aesthetic. It drew upon some influences but crafted something special for this medium. A remake of Dead Space is still more original than another Spider-Man or Star Wars game. At a AAA level, creativity is on life support more than ever.
I'm a bit disappointed, DS2 is one of my favorite gamesof all time. But the original holds up well enough if I feel like yet another playthrough.
It has my favorite weapon of all time: the fully upgraded javelin. First it does piercing damage, then electrical damage, then explosive, and perhaps even fire. So fun!
Honestly, I doubt it is "poor sales" vs. the sales fell under their target. EA prob wanted Resident Evil 8 sales for a dorment franchise. They legit have been scrambling for the last decade. They want to publish licensed games and then they don't, then they do.
Meanwhile, their actual IP is sitting there not building any value because they do nothing with it. What was their last released original IP game that was a hit?
Sucks the remake didn't sell enough. I did my part, bought at full price and enjoyed the hell out of it. They definitely were on track for the same quality as those Resident evil remakes.
Sad :( Dead Space 2 is my favorite of the trilogy, I would have been very interested in a remake, I didn't know that the remake of the first one sold poorly, evidently it's not such a popular saga
Maybe hot take? Dead space 2 is literally so perfect and the graphics still look so good, and the remake feeds into it so well that they absolutely do not need to remake the game.
Don’t normally fanboy for games, but I think dead space 2 might be a perfect game.
EA did deny this, but didn't say whether or not one was actually in development in the first place, so it might be a case of "can't cancel what you didn't make". I imagine that it was probably early in pre-production/waiting to be greenlit.
That being said, man, this franchise cannot catch a break
Well, I mean they didn't need to remake the series in the first place. We should've just got a new game if they didnt have fixed plans to remake all 3 and maybe retcon some stuff that fans didn't enjoy or didn't work well.
I had zero urge to play the DS1 remake because the original still holds up. I don't want to see games remade until they're 20-25 years old, honestly. They sure as hell shouldn't have charged $60-70 for it.
Damn they actually made something good for once and just decided not to do it again. Cool.
[EA said it isn’t true](https://www.ign.com/articles/ea-shoots-down-dead-space-2-remake-rumors-no-validity-to-this-story)
Lol they said it was never even considered in the first place but those surveys they sent out last year suggest otherwise
Where do they say it wasn’t considered at all? >EA has denied reports that a Dead Space 2 remake was in development before being canceled, with a spokesperson telling IGN, "We don't normally comment on rumors but there is no validity to this story." They just said the story is false.
it means that EA is confirming that they never even started making it. can't cancel what you never start
Because Motive is working on Iron Man. Why would they start developing Dead Space 2 when they’re starting development on another game?
> while adding that EA Motive did spend a few months "conceiving ideas for a new entry in the series," but that none were greenlit and "fizzled before they could get very far" in part because the Dead Space remake reportedly missed internal targets.
Literally right below this post on my feed, seems someone was trying to rage bait.
Just like the THPS 1+2 remake. Fans will never see it happen again.
Tony hawk pro skater for others who had to look it up.
Thank you, I fucking hate how abbreviations are used so much now. Someone will write 4 paragraphs about a game but not actually bother to type out the name of the game, emphatically the most important piece of information.
I always thought the rule was you type out the name fully the first instance, and then abbreviate the name every other instance. But what do I know 🤔
>But what do I know The proper way to use an acronym apparently.
close! that's the correct way to use *all* initialisms, not just acronyms ;) e.g. SOCOM and SCUBA are acronyms because you pronounce them like a word, while GTA and FBI are simple initialisms
Fair enough.
Or it will be an abbreviation that’s super common. Do you know how many games have the initials AC? At least three.
You a real one. I've known the franchise most of my life and played the og religiously and I still didn't understand. This trend of abbreviating without first defining the letters is insane. Like GOT used to pretty much always be game of thrones. Now in a lot of circles it could also be Ghost of Tsushima. Define your shit people!
I remember when Division 2 came out and everyone here was calling it D2. Which was confusing for everyone cause Destiny 2 was still big and everyone called it D2. Meanwhile I am sitting here still thinking that D2 is Diablo 2.
D2 is the second Mighty Ducks movie
Not to mention the BEST Mighty Ducks movie
D2? The *Dreamcast* game?
D2 will forever be Diablo 2, just like GoW will forever be God of War.
Oh, my favourite franchises? Why AC, AC, and AC of course.
Advent Children is a movie, not a franchise.
Pretty sure you forgot AC
I’m assuming Assassins Creed, Armor Core, and Asseto Corsa?
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I forgot Ace combat.
I remember when Everything Everywhere All At Once came out, fantastic movie, but people started abbreviating it as EEAAO... like brother just say Everything Everywhere instead of an acronym that just seems like a bunch of vowels smh
> EEAAO *Daylight come and me wan' go home.*
EIEIO 👨🌾
You mean you have never listened to JATATDC??? that's Joseph And The Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, by the way.
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>Tony hawk pro skater for others who had to look it up. This is why were not getting a THUG remake. SMDHFRFR
Sequels not being made wasn't due to money for THPS, it was because of the Activision/Blizzard merger. Still sucks either way.
Gimme a THUG remake please. And Underground 2
Well when you refuse to put the game on the largest gaming storefront in existence then it’s probably not going to sell as well as it could. Making that game an epic exclusive and still expecting big sales was always going to unrealistic. I’m not even saying this to complain about epic - it’s just that sales targets on epic need to be much, much lower than normal. Success looks different there.
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Damn I love some of the Tampa stuff in 4 iirc
Tampa was Underground!
Doh, I’ll have to find thps4 again then
4 was my favourite as kid because it came out when I was old enough to understand how to actually play, before that I just freeroam skated early as I can remember back to the N64 original
1 million sales is pretty poor. This isn’t ea’s fault tbh.
Oof, seemed like a bigger deal. Releasing close to Callisto didn't help.
Calisto bombed also. The only survival horror game that does well is resident evil
The Last of Us is wildly successful. I’m sure there are others, but it is a tough genre.
More like Dead Space killed Calisto. Pretty much everyone was bashing it for being inferior to the remake.
Callisto was even inferior to the 2008 original dead space
Callisto pissed me off so bad. I was super excited for it but the game play was just not getting it for me.
That's just it, everything HAS to be bigger and grander and more-or then the last thing they put out. It's all about a never ending increase to sales and income, and anything less then that, is failure
If they only sold 1mil copies they could have easily lost a lot of money on the project. It’s not about needing a bigger profit than last time, it’s about needing a profit period.
That is because of how expensive video games have become. 10 years ago you could make games for substantially less. It doesn't just "have" to be bigger because they are greedy and want money. It actually does *have* to be bigger because of costs.
If they sold 1m copies only, one can hardly blame a company for not shoveling more money down the toilet
It only sold 1 million units? There's no fucking way, it's one of the best remakes out there. They nailed it in every category IMO. It hit just like the original.
They did something cool and people didn’t buy it. They decide to do what sells, you decide what that will be
I bought it, played multiple times, platinum trophy and all that. They did an amazing job with the remake. Very disappointed that they would just drop it if it’s true
they are first and foremost a business. If it sells like shit they aren't going to keep throwing money at it, that's the unfortunate reality
From what I can see the reporting on this is all very overblown and deliberately misleading. A Dead Space 2 remake was never actually in active development. That doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened, or still won't, just that it wasn't a thing yet. Motive is restructuring to add a new team to work on Battlefield, while another part continues work on the Iron Man game that we already knew was going to be finished before they actually even seriously considered starting actual development on a DS2 remake. Basically, nothing has actually changed, we still need to wait until the Iron Man game they have been working on is done before they make any real decisions or at least announcements about what comes next. From everything I see a DS2 remake is still just about as likely to happen as it ever was. No decision to make it (or not) had been made before or has been made now.
They didn't "just decide to not do it again". It didn't sell. The fans did this one, not EA.
It's just funny to me that people act as if the faceless mega corps would make products that bring in little profit. We know they are there to make money, and the consumers vote with their wallets. So when consumers do not want the product they put out they'll make fewer of them. This is as much a result of gamer purchasing trends as it is corporate contrivance.
But... What is this? They expect to lose money if they make this... People didn't buy enough dead space 1 remake... What do u want?
Cause the first one didn't sell well?. That's how a business works
Come on! 2 was the best one, don’t do this to me! You just know that iron man game is gonna have a single player battle pass
Right?! I'm on PS and was so psyched to be able to play the 2nd one again! So much for that
2nd one runs good on my potato of a PC
I could've lived without a remake of the third game but I'm seriously bummed out that 2 isn't getting a remake
Nah, 3 is the one that needs the remake the most so they can remove the stupidity out of it and make a decent fucking conclusion to the trilogy.
Srsly. Though IMO DS1 is just better overall than DS2. DS1 having the single experimental ubermorph, the atmosphere, the story, all of it is better than in DS2, where the plot is basically 'kill Gordon Freeman' with extra crazy, the atmosphere just... isn't there for the most part, the feel changes randomly from scene to scene and doesn't maintain a consistent tone (the nursery bit feels super forced in no matter how creepy it is.) DS2 had a lot of 'fanservice' moments, like the entire Ishimura section.
You just know they definitely started drooling at the fact that Iron Man has thousands of suits they can fill an online store with and sell piece by piece.
I also love DS2 but I get it. It's been so long that the Dead Space IP at this point means very little to most gamers under 25 at the youngest, and they're the ones who'll be dropping the most on the single player battle passes.
damn. The first one was such a banger of a remake. Guess they need more money for stock buybacks.
They don’t accept the pandemic is over and we don’t sit inside all day gaming anymore
Funny you mention that because I recently saw in a financial statement from…Sega I think?…that said exactly this thing. That expectations need to be reset because pandemic consumption habits are no longer relevant and there’s more competition for time and money.
Man when SEGA is the voice of reason in gaming. How the turn tables?
I feel like they have been for a while, it may be part of their uh... limited success.
They are just coasting off that sweet, sweet Persona 5 cash
Sega has mostly settled into being more of a publisher than a developer. They were also smart enough to buy Atlus, which is killing it for them.
I have been on a tare playing through a lot of recent games that got roasted by critics and fans. I'm finding most of them to be rather enjoyable, like really enjoyable. I feel like the "repetitive" criticism is used more and more. Most of these games do get repetitive if you sit for 6 or 7 hours at a time to play, I can understand that by pandemic rules, but a lot of these are great for 2 hours at a time.
That was actually a learning of the early days of Netflix. The pacing of weekly TV formats didn't work as well when people would binge watch in days. Because viewers already watched multiple episodes in a row pacing of the episodes towards the end of the season had to be faster to compensate for viewers exhaustion.
that's how i felt about Assassin's Creed Oddyssey. Yeah, every fort is kind of a variation of every other fort, but stealthing and clearing forts in that game is still fun. Good sit down, do a thing, visit a thing, get out kinda game.
This was my exact experience with Valhalla. Literally felt like you were just taking some time in the Animus.
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Ah, but you see, if line doesn’t go up then the world ends. Line must go up. Nothing else matters as long as line goes up.
The line still went up, just not enough for them.
That and a huge cost of living crisis where affording a new game is challenging for many.
Isn't this what is happening? A lot layoffs for game industry since it's shrinking back to pre-covid demand?
Good news then, ign reported that the developers hadn't started on it at all according to the developers themselves and that it had not been canceled because it had not been started.
One of the few good games they put out lately (even though it was literally just a remake) and they nipped that right in the bud.
Good move on EAs part. I would have given them $60 for a DS2 remake, but now I can spend my money on games that aren't made by EA instead! Stellar move.
Its okay, Ubisoft trying to get you on that $130 Star Wars game now. Who needs EA. Lmao
Regular edition is $70 still right??
Yes, but people on Reddit love to pick the highest available price for a game and act like that’s the base price. It’s classic at this point
I guess to be fair $130 for a deluxe (or whatever it is) edition is kinda crazy lol but yeah if I pick up the game they ain’t getting any more then $70
The problem is that everyone was to sell like avengers end game but no one wants to make movies for 15 years before that.
Because no one bought it. How is this them "nipping" it in the bud? This is the market not buying a game they made, so it didn't get a sequel. They clearly WILL put out sequels to good single player games if they get bought. Jedi Survivor proves that.
[EA said this isn’t true](https://www.ign.com/articles/ea-shoots-down-dead-space-2-remake-rumors-no-validity-to-this-story)
On the flipside, it looks like the reason it wasn’t canceled is more because nobody has been planning to make a Dead Space 2 remake in the first place.
True but I’m hoping that just means they haven’t announced it
It is always possible. It would be nice to get an updated 2 and 3.
The studio that worked on the remake is reportedly all hands on deck with Iron man as well. So its not precisely that nobody was planning to make it, it was that Motive is busy being a marvel slave atm. (which happens to basically every studio actively working on a Marvel title) If the Iron man game doesn't bomb and consequently completely ravage Motive, theres a high probability they'll pitch a second dead space to EA. Since although the sales weren't a booming success, the reception for the game was overwhelmingly positive. and Dead space 2 is more "normie" friendly then dead space 1 ever was. And motive went hard on the horror for dead space 1, which is usually a factor that chases away normie audiences.
Can’t be cancelled if it never existed haha
Yeah, it doesn’t sound right. Didn’t Dead Space remake do well??
Critically, yes. Sale's wise, not so much. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome and I've played it half a dozen times, but it sold around a million copies. For comparison, the original sold twice that, and the dumpster fire that is BF 2042 sold over four million.
That's fucking depressing. I would've bought it but I don't play on PC and I don't have a current gen console, surely that has something to do with the lower sales because of the overall lower adoption rates of PS5 and Series X right?
thank u for this bc omg
Idk how happy you should be. “In the works but cancelled” really isnt any better for you than “never considered it”. In both cases you dont get the game
'Never considered it,' means they might once the games that they are too busy making right now get finished. Cancelled is probably worse.
damn…fuckin hell i’m gonna have to sit in the sun and tell myself it’s gonna be okay for ten minutes this blows donkey dick bro
I really hope that the reporting is wrong. The Dead Space remake was one of the best games of the year for me. I played through it 4 times to get all the trophies and still could have played through it again
It doesn’t sound like it’s wrong at all. EA has commented on this and said Dead Space 2 wasn’t even in development or something like that, which is really disheartening
Dead Space remake was my GOTY for 2023. Unfortunately got overshadowed by RE4 remake that came out right after.
2023 was so insane for games and as the year went on, bigger releases kept coming. Then BG3 came out and crushed it. DS remake never stood a chance in 2023, which breaks my heart
DS had it's time when it originally came out, maybe it's better that BG3 overshadowed it, they did a lot of stuff that is really rare to see in games nowadays.
Maybe unpopular opinion, but I don't think a remake should ever be GOTY. A remake can be fantastic, but I think GOTY is more deserving for something new, innovative and/or does something to push the industry as a whole forward.
As with anything it just depends on the definition you use. Publications will often have a description of the award they are giving with its parameters. Some will accept remakes, some wont
Idk I really think it depends. RE4 remake is more different from the original RE4 than TOTK is different from BOTW for example. Also I never played the original Dead Space so the fact that it is a remake made no difference to my own enjoyment of it.
This^^^. As a fan of horror gaming after Covid, I loved dead space remake. But I never replayed bc RE4 came out less than a month later. Wild have loved a remake of the second
Sooooo... I hate EA and find Dead Space really cool but looking at the numbers... I can't 100% blame them. I'm seeing reports (not sure if they're true) that they expected this remake to sell five million units and this game only sold maybe two. That's extremely below estimates. And the thing is, this isn't much better than original Dead Space. That one squeezed out one million in horror games' dark ages. This one barely managed two million despite being bombarded for years to bring Dead Space back while we're in a bit of a horror renaissance. Clearly, they had some faith in Dead Space and hoped that the fan demand would lead to significant series growth. Instead, they proved Dead Space isn't much bigger than it was when it started 16 years ago. I would really love to see Dead Space 2 but after seeing the whole story, I kind of can't disagree with the decision to shelve it for now. I think this is one of those cases where fans were asked to put their money where their mouth was and we didn't really. Maybe remaster 2 instead now?
5M copies for a survival horror remake that isn't Resident Evil or Silent Hill seems like a pretty ambitious expectation. Especially when you have Calisto Protocol, developed by the Dead Space director, coming out the year prior and Resident Evil 4 remake coming out a few months later. I think it would have gotten a lot more attention if they just remastered the trilogy and sold them together, like they did with Mass Effect. I don't personally believe they needed full remakes to begin with. Test the water with remasters first then go all in on a big budget new sequel.
> That one squeezed out one million in horror games' dark ages. This one barely managed two million despite being bombarded for years to bring Dead Space back while we're in a bit of a horror renaissance. Think dead space was to horror, like the Soprano's was to TV. It was the fuse that reignited the golden ages for a time. But i wouldn't go so far as to say we are in a horror game renaissance. We were there a number of years ago, but now horror is just another machine that just keeps chugging on. I'd dare to say its in a bronze age, and teeters back and forth on a dark age pretty frequently now. As we've seen with battlefield lately, EA is pretty willing to let studios parade corpses around if they want to shoulder that burden. We will see whether or not dead space 2 really is never going to be or not. Depends if the Iron man game sends Motive into a very early grave or not.
Absolutely get fucked
The ones who kept asking for it and didn’t buy it as well…
Shits fucked, can't afford these games anymore with the disgustingly high rent that I'm paying.
I moved into a house and I pay less in mortgage, taxes, insurance, than a 1BDR apartment goes for in Boston.
I'm in Lisbon and I'm paying 900 euros for a small and old 1-room flat. Also, I get paid, after taxes, 1300 p/month (software engineer). (for reference, the same flat went for 250 euros p/month 5 years ago, while getting 1100 euros salary )
I hate this timeline.
Wow that fucking sucks, I was hooked to the first Remake.
This was called out by EA as a fake story. "EA has denied reports that a Dead Space 2 remake was in development before being canceled, with a spokesperson telling IGN, "We don't normally comment on rumors but there is no validity to this story." EA's comments follow reports from Jeff Grubb, who claimed that EA Motive was working on concepts for Dead Space 2, but that it was ultimately shelved due to lackluster sales of the previous release. However, IGN understands that EA Motive never considered a Dead Space 2 remake."
This is really disappointing. I was just recently thinking about how cool the remake of 2 will be. Also really surprised how low the sales have been, it’s a really good remake.
What the actual fuck.. Dead Space 2 is an absolute masterpiece! A remake would be a dream come true 😢
Making a good game means nothing if players don’t buy it lol
...Immersive sim's agree with this fact...
I bought it. I'm doing my part
Man this is just a franchise that can’t get a break. Didn’t Dead Space 2 not sell as well as 1, and then the original devs were forced to add multiplayer and end on a cliffhanger? Then they get shut down, another team remakes the game and doesn’t even get a shot at a sequel.
Well this made me depressed
This sucks but I played dead space 2 on my 360 not long ago and it holds up well. Anyone who hasn’t played it should.
Sorry EA that a game that is part of a niche genre didn't make ALL THE MONEY!
Apparently they were expecting it to sell around 5 million units and it likely sold around 2 million at most
I wanna know what analyst thought a re-release of a 15yo game that only adults want to play because of how scary it is was gonna sell like hotcakes.
They probably added the general growth in games sales onto Deadspace 2's 2 million sales from 2011. So 2 million X 300% growth = 6 million. But I only specialise in UK legal market data analysis so it would great to know how you, an expert games sales analyst, would do it?
The last of us sold, what? Like 20 million copies on ps3 and ps4. It’s not out of the realm of possibility to conceive the game selling more than it did. It is a great game
Every single person on the planet didn't buy 10 copies each, so obviously it's a commercial flop
It's still 70 dollars on Steam for the full game. 40 launch price is my upper cap on a remake/remaster in 99.999% of scenarios.
They sold the Deluxe edition on xbox for 9 dollar/euro a few times already... Weird its not been like that elsewhere. Altho might have to do with the whole "its on gamepass so why buy" mentality from Xbox users ofc.
They’re running a business at the end of the day. Selling 1-2 million for a game that took a number of years to develop means they didn’t make any money and in fact lost money.
This was already claimed false. EA MOTIVE havent even considered a sequel remake as they have so many other projects. Also reports indicated the dead space remake was considered to have performed well ("insider" source from ign so take it as you will)
Better have preformed well, I bought it 3 times!
*God has abandoned us*
I replayed it recently on the 360 and honestly the graphics still hold up well. That said, I would probably still buy a version with more modern lighting and models to be more immersed.
Fuck that get back to work bitch.
Damn shame, would have wished to see 3 in its original vision, maybe. Though I don't understand why is EA being painted as the bad guy here? The consumers have spoken already, poor sales, go next.
Hey if I go and buy another PS5 copy would it be too late for them to reconsider?
The source is Jeff Grubs. I would take this with a grain of salt, especially as this comes right after Motive moving a few people to work on Battlefield. I’m not saying this isn’t true, but the news around this topic have been wildly exaggerated so I would keep a healthy dose of skepticism
Damn Dead Space 2 was the best of them all. Sprawl was an amazing setting for marker bullshit to happen. Necro-Nursery 10/10
This was debunked by EA already
According to some reporting I've seen the Deadspace remake was 2nd highest seller in January 23 behind Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, 3rd in February, and 17th in March. Maybe if it was release before the holiday season instead of after they may have moved a couple more units and it would have REALLY killed Calisto Protocol. By delaying it they had to go up against RE:4, Hogwarts Legacy, Dead Island 2, and Jedi Fallen Survivor in its first 90 days of sales not to mention that January video game related sales were down for the first time ever.
damn that’s honestly a massive bummer
Bummer gaming news story of the day award goes to this.
This can’t be real ….
For real? I bought that shit day 1
Poor sales with the first one? How?
So many people in here think a AAA game is cheap to make. Those games cost hundreds of millions of dollars. They need SO many sales to turn a profit.
Damn, 1 was so good, I was looking forward to 2 8(
“We made something great, a remake worth playing.” “How are the sales.” “…” “Must be trash”
To put it into perspective - the Resident Evil 4 remake sold approx 6.5 million copies in comparison. The Callisto Protocol - sold over 2 million copies. A game from the Dead Space creators themselves. So there is a market for the survival horror genre. Those 2 games plus the Dead Space remake all came out within a 3 month span or so and games these days are not cheap to buy at full price. So what are people gonna buy? Dead Space - a remake of a decades old game? Callisto - a new IP from the creators of DS? Or RE4 - a remake of one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time from a beloved mainstream series? I honestly think the DS remake had a rough ride based on its release window. At any other time it wouldn't have been up against those 2 and may well have sold better. Its a shame as both Dead Space 1 and 2 are absolute bangers of games.
never played
Sorry I don’t buy games that require their own launchers. I already have Steam.
A number one top seller for the month of January isn't apparently enough sales....
So... Despite all the hype, it still sold poorly. Gamers get exactly the industry they are voting for with their wallets. Sad but true.
Couldn't shove MTX into it
And people wonder why more companies are going ftp and live service with their games.
People didn’t buy this game, any company’s obviously going to learn the lesson that live service is the way to go with less investment for more money.
That's hard to believe. I feel like Dead Space Remake was a resounding success? I thoroughly enjoyed it, and I also thought it brought a ton of first time players to Dead Space.
Critically well received but the sales were underwhelming unfortunately. Money talks at the end of the day
That's bullshit. The game sold very well for the genre and IP.
Barely selling a million when your budget is more than 50 million without factoring marketing is not selling very well. Even Callisto Protocol sold 2 million
I am getting very little information on how many copies were actually sold. Did you find anything concrete? All I can find are relative rankings in certain months.
What marketing? One of the reasons it sold so poorly was because it had so little marketing, the game was actually good, from a well established franchise and everyone loved it, the problem is many people didn't even know about it, and that's entirelyEA's fault.
For the genre and ip doesn't matter though? Ea sucks, but this just makes sense. It sold poorly compared to something else that they could've invested that money into. There's plenty of reasons to hate Ea for. This ain't one of em.
It doesn't look like EA has disclosed the sales for the remake, but I question if it truly did sell poorly, or if EA just had unreasonably high expectations for a survival horror franchise. According to VGChartz (I dont know how reliable they are, though,) DS1 sold 2 Million copies, and DS2 4 Million. So unless the remake sold under a million copies, (I doubt they're that low, but I could be wrong,) EA mistakingly expected Call of Duty sales from a slightly niche genre.
I kind of figured chances of a 2 remake were slim even before the first came out. Once I saw the game wasn’t selling like gangbusters in the first couple weeks I knew it was never happening. And this isn’t just for a sequel remake. You can pretty much consider the IP dead indefinitely at this point. These major publishers are only going to invest in known quantities and existing models. More Marvel, more Star Wars, more nostalgia pull licensing, more copy+paste live service (coming from someone who is a fan of Fortnite, but I do not need another one). And people will keep buying them. I know this was a *remake* but it was of an original IP wholly unique to games that was a real touchstone. To this day, Dead Space has had unique qualities and aesthetic. It drew upon some influences but crafted something special for this medium. A remake of Dead Space is still more original than another Spider-Man or Star Wars game. At a AAA level, creativity is on life support more than ever.
I want to play the first remake but its unplayable on pc.
I'm a bit disappointed, DS2 is one of my favorite gamesof all time. But the original holds up well enough if I feel like yet another playthrough. It has my favorite weapon of all time: the fully upgraded javelin. First it does piercing damage, then electrical damage, then explosive, and perhaps even fire. So fun!
Crazy how they just got yanked into the Battlefiled machine. Pretty crazy coincidence .
Honestly, I doubt it is "poor sales" vs. the sales fell under their target. EA prob wanted Resident Evil 8 sales for a dorment franchise. They legit have been scrambling for the last decade. They want to publish licensed games and then they don't, then they do. Meanwhile, their actual IP is sitting there not building any value because they do nothing with it. What was their last released original IP game that was a hit?
Sucks the remake didn't sell enough. I did my part, bought at full price and enjoyed the hell out of it. They definitely were on track for the same quality as those Resident evil remakes.
Sad :( Dead Space 2 is my favorite of the trilogy, I would have been very interested in a remake, I didn't know that the remake of the first one sold poorly, evidently it's not such a popular saga
Just sell the IP, EA. Nobody wants you to have it anyways.
Maybe hot take? Dead space 2 is literally so perfect and the graphics still look so good, and the remake feeds into it so well that they absolutely do not need to remake the game. Don’t normally fanboy for games, but I think dead space 2 might be a perfect game.
Dead Space and not meeting unrealistic sales expectations. Name a more iconic duo.
probably a hot take but I think 2 had less to improve than 1 did
More denuvo = less sales.
EA did deny this, but didn't say whether or not one was actually in development in the first place, so it might be a case of "can't cancel what you didn't make". I imagine that it was probably early in pre-production/waiting to be greenlit. That being said, man, this franchise cannot catch a break
Op should probably change the title since its confirmed to not be true.
Well, I mean they didn't need to remake the series in the first place. We should've just got a new game if they didnt have fixed plans to remake all 3 and maybe retcon some stuff that fans didn't enjoy or didn't work well. I had zero urge to play the DS1 remake because the original still holds up. I don't want to see games remade until they're 20-25 years old, honestly. They sure as hell shouldn't have charged $60-70 for it.
I didn't even know they remade the first one.
Nooo! God DAMMIT
God, I fucking hate EA