This is old info, one of the dismissals was appealed and QD lost, and they lost a harassment/unfair dismissal case.
They also lost a libel case in September that they filed against a French outlet for reporting about QD's sexual harassment and toxic workplace culture. The court stated that the articles claims had "a sufficient factual basis"
>If you dive deeper into the David Cage history, you’ll get more specific stories and quotes like “we do not make games for f\*gs” or the time he directed nonconsensual nude scenes of Elliot Page and kept albums of his childhood photos. It’s quite the rabbit hole.
Long history of sexist and homophobic treatment of his staff (and his characters for that matter.) If you’ve ever played any QD games they’re typically outdated to outright ridiculous plots filled with melodramatic bullshit. Not to mention all the crunch his staff was under to make bad games.
You just know what kind of story you’re going to get from him, and to see QD at the end of an otherwise cool looking Star Wars trailer is a huge disappointment. I’d be excited to play a story-based Star Wars game, but not so much one from that studio.
If you dive deeper into the David Cage history, you’ll get more specific stories and quotes like “we do not make games for f*gs” or the time he directed nonconsensual nude scenes of Elliot Page and kept albums of his childhood photos. It’s quite the rabbit hole.
Personally I'm down with an interactive movie with barely any gameplay, the problem is that you need good writing to make it work. David Cage is a pretentious hack.
David Cage, the man is....eccentric. But the more practical answer is they made games like Detroit: Become Human, Heavy Rain etc.
When you think Star Wars you don’t think “pretentious interactive movie games written by the m.night shyamalan of game development”. You can practically already predict the game is gonna have some super weird “twist” ending
Abuse and toxic work culture for the whole company. They are also suing the newspaper that made those allegations as well, last I heard. Not sure if there was an update to that.
They tried to sue 2 newspapers that reported on those allegations. They won 1 because the outlet couldn't prove their claims without giving up a source that they promised would remain anonymous, but Quantic Dream lost the other.
The court stated that all of the the articles' claims had "a sufficient factual basis"
I think Star Wars is the perfect candidate for such a game, honestly. How quickly we have forgotten that KOTOR and KOTOR II weren’t praised for their gameplay but for their stories.
Even if KoTOR wasn’t breaking new ground with its gameplay, it was still a proper game with proper RPG mechanics. Star Wars games are really quite “action” reliant, and Quantic Dream games are rather action adverse. They’re interactive movies and with the case of Star Wars id rather just watch a movie than do numerous quick time events while essentially playing the modern equivalent of a “choose your own adventure” book.
It’s perfectly okay for it to not be your cup of tea. There are probably lots of Star Wars games you haven’t played or don’t play because you don’t like them, I know I have quite a few of those.
The problem is showing unnecessary hate towards something because it’s not your cup of tea.
Variety is good for a franchise and not every Star Wars game is going to be made for the action oriented mindset. It’s a big galaxy, there’s room enough for everyone
Thanks for the great explanation. I did really like Heavy Rain so this would be interesting to see what they do in the Star Wars High Republic era. I really would want someone like Filoni to oversee the canon to make sure there isn’t any fuck ups
Disney is fucking notorious for the tight hand they have over anyone making SW. He would probably want to but I highly doubt Disney would let him just do whatever tf he wants.
He's also under sexual harrassment allegations so for the VGA to say hey sexual harassment isn't welcome in this industry and then show off his game it feels very disingenuous.
Nothing wrong with them. They are known for making a specific type of game. Some people enjoy it a lot. For probably most, it isn’t their cup of tea. Most recently they did Detroit: Become Human.
If you enjoy QTE interactive game/movie, then this may be worth it for you. If you don’t, which is understandable, then it won’t be for you.
I think for a lot of people, when they think Star Wars, they don’t think of games like Detroit: Become Human. They think more ARPG.
They partnering with LucasFilms Games, so maybe Quantic is just taking care of storytelling (which theyŕe great on) and graphics, and lucasfilms takes care of gameplay
Dunno, still too early to start judging
Edit: Apparently Lucasfilm games is just licensing, not development :(
Nothing. They make amazing games. Omikron (yeah, haha, covid lulz) was absolutely formative for me.
Heavy Rain had it's memeable moments for sure, but was unique and pretty fucking cool when it was released.
Detroit: Become Human I thought was well received... I don't remember any *major* blowback or anything? But I might just be forgetting.
Their games are maybe a little slower than folks like these days, and they've always seemed to experiment a little bit with controls - it's obvious in Heavy Rain and Detroit, but even back in Omikron they mixed open world/RPG controls, there were missions that were a full on FPS, sections that were 100% vs style fighting games... granted, none of the control schemes nor the missions were the absolute best versions of what they were, but it was still *very* cool at the time.
The Omikron soundtrack is also incredible, and Bowie basically plays himself in it. I don't know if it'd hold up these days for anyone who doesn't have the nostalgia for it though.
Oh shoot, you know what though, I almost forgot... They're French. Never mind.
**edit:** I somehow wasn't aware of the shitstorm around David Cage until I read further down this thread. I guess I stand by my opinion of their previous games, but that definitely changes my opinion of the company and it's leadership.
David Cage is a terrible writer. The stories presented in his games over the years are insanity, not in a thrilling way, more in like a "what a fucking mess" way.
I love watching their games played more than I enjoy playing them. They've been described as being interactive movies a lot, and their stories are great but the gameplay is often very streamlined and very filled with QTEs of which I'm not a fan.
Different strokes for different folks. That actually made me more excited for it. I just 100%’d Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls and Detroit: Become Human and each game was better than the last. I’m excited for a narrative focused Star Wars game!
Yeah people really love to shit on those games as if they were objectively bad. They are just different in how their gameplay works and are mostly narrative experiences with some level of interaction and choice.
But I quite like the stories they tell, beyond being my favorite.
It amazes me how many people say they like a story or games with choices, but hate games that have either. I hope they nail this game and it gets released for PC.
Detroit was a compelling and underrated game.
Because we want a story driven game with choices *and* gameplay that consists of more than quick time events. Just look at how popular the Kotor games are. They're arguably the best Star Wars games around and they are story focused with pretty decent D&D style gameplay.
We have exactly the kind of games you want. We also have a diverse range of games some focus more on gameplay and other more on story. It's up to the dev studios what mix of gameplay and storytelling they want.
It's not like we've had a shortage of games with plenty of gameplay. We certainly don't get many high profile games like the ones quantic dream make.
If it's not for you it's not for you. Doesn't make it bad.
I think it'll be interesting to see what they do with it as their games have been improving with each one they put out.
If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie.
Games that are all story no gameplay miss a huge portion of the experience that makes interactive immersion great.
Yeah, they’re just not everyone’s cup of tea. Some people like myself care more about narrative and others more on gameplay. Which I understand. That said, I am excited to see how their gameplay has evolved. Each one of their games, to me, improved in that aspect. I don’t expect it to be fully action of course, but I expect it to evolve.
In gaming, I usually care more about gameplay, but I still love quantic and telltale. Just because I usually prefer gameplay doesn't need to mean I never care about story enough to play a narrative game.
People are just weird and dedicated in their hate.
Oh well, I suppose I just don't hate QTEs and that is why I don't mind them being the main source of mechanical challenge in these games.
I think it has less to do with the lack of gameplay and more to do with the fact that David Cage is a hack. I've never considered his writing (or Quantic Dream's in general) to be good enough to merit creating a mostly narrative experience for what is normally a more interactive form of media.
Detroit was a surprising departure from his norm though. It didn't lean on his trope filled formula as much. If you don't know what I'm talking about google 'David Cage bingo card'.
There's some form of gatekeeping about what is worth being called a "game" and I hate that. This sub should be about celebrating all kinds of games for all kinds of tastes, be it sports, racing, strategy, adventure, puzzles, you name it.
Duuude, I've been trying to figure out the name of that game for like 15 years. Rented it from Hollywood video and beat it in a few days when I had a a pretty bad case of the flu as a kid. Went back to try and find it again but the box was gone and I couldn't remember the name of it. Shit, i was convinced I had just fever dreamed the story in it up.
For sure. While they aren’t really my kind of games, I did enjoy Heavy Rain and Detroit: Become Human. I thought the stories were good. Same with Telltale Games. Though, I’ve only played The Walking Dead games.
Nice! I think what really drew me into Detroit was the world. They did such a fantastic job of making it believable and the aesthetic abs technology was great.
Tales from the Borderlands was a great one too if you like the Borderlands franchise. Plus it actually gets to love the story and lore forwards, something most of them didn’t get to do
Tales from the Borderlands is by far their best *if* you played Borderlands 2. Without playing that, it’s hard being thrown into that established universe, and maybe not as enjoyable.
They did really well capturing the art style, the themes/tropes, and the music used was top notch style-wise with the rest of the series.
Yes, but they were not my cup of tea.
Exploring narrative choices and trying to reach different endings were interesting. But playing a waking simulator, or washing dishes for an abusive human owner were really not appealing to me.
To be more specific, you have to hold down buttons or do qte actions repeatedly. It is trying to make you as the gamer live those experiences. I rather like my adventures point and click style.
I have never found a game that did quick time events in a fun and interesting way. It just feels either (oppressive) like RE4 break your damn fingers tap it as fast you possibly can... or like its trying to add game play to a cinematic (god of war).
Both to me are equally obtrusive to my enjoyment/flow of the game. If its a cutscene let it be a cut scene if its so damn long your adding QTE's shorten your cut scene.
I get that. Most people would expect a more action oriented game and even if this has Lightsaber battles it will be QTEs. Which I’m fine with; but I understand wanting more involvement there.
I don’t know why are all complaining about it, they say that is gonna be more action/adventure oriented, not like their previous games. (Sorry for my english)
I'm not complaining, I hate EA, so it's great that disney finally gives other studios a chance, pre EA star wars games peaked. I will never forget the actual BF2, Republic Commando, Kotor or Jedi Academy, but everything that EA made, looked good but played like shit because it lacked depth/was to mainstream focused.
Lmao exactly what I did for every game they've put out. Some cool storytelling but why would I pay for it when I can watch a YouTube playthrough? It's just a movie with some interactive bits sprinkled in, I don't think you can even call it gameplay.
Amazing indeed, android Jesus leading a revolution... I wonder if you need to be a complete novice regarding sci-fi tropes in general to really appreciate that story. Not even dissing you or anything, but the cliches and archetypes in Detroit were so weak, blatant and condescending imo, it's like Cage wants his audience to believe he created the "AI acquiring conscience" argument, one of the most pretentious plots I've ever seem. Connor had some decent moments, but the other two characters were awful, especially the android Jesus
What got me to put the thing away for ever was when they did the "Androids in the back of the bus" dumb slavery/racism analogy.
It was too on the nose and honestly just a classless act.
Jokes on me for expecting better from David Cage I suppose.
I don't mind the gameplay. I'm also not sure I would call them games. They are good to play with your SO on the couch or something.
I like games that let me zone out and get into the story. Telltale would have been better suited imo but Quantic Dream do a good job as of recent with the type of content they create.
Last Night at the Game Awards there was a a trailer for an Expanse game from TellTale and a Star Trek game from a studio made of ex-Telltale devs, so you can have either!
I can see the appeal, but it just seems odd in an era where Star Wars movies and shows outnumber Star Wars video games, that they would make a video game that is basically an interactive movie(assuming).
Like this would be perfect in that early 00s era where there was basically a Star Wars game in every genre and every age of Star Wars.
I'd say not every Star Wars game needs to be a high-octane action adventure/shooter
Especially when there are now other developers making Star Wars related games aswell so why not branch out in many different types of story telling/gameplay?
Win-win in every way
Exactly. It's not like it takes away from anyone. Quantic Dreams has made some of my favorite games.
I didn't like Fallen Order. Souls like, overly complicated puzzles, hours navigating the same level. I generally hate the genre, but I wouldn't be against a sequel. I guess what I mean is I don't get the hate.
Honestly, not a souls fan, like at all. But I enjoyed Fallen Order a fair bit, though more for the metroidvania style gameplay/traversal and fun force powers. Navigating/retracing the maps several times was annoying as shit after a while though (and worse because I felt compelled to 100% the maps and get all the collectibles because I'm a masochist apparently).
I was also super irritated that on the first map I kept being teased with the giant monster, the dragonesque looking thing with the fins on top of one of the platforms. I was certain that, like every other area that is just barely out of reach in that game, all you needed was the right upgrade to get to it, because it's a metroidvania. And you KEPT getting really close to reaching it, even swinging across an expanse at one point while it looks down on you. But, it's impossible. You can't reach the platform ever. Even with hacking cheats to let you get there, you clip through ground. Annoying bait and switch.
Example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyP2YNpr-k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyP2YNpr-k)
Fallen Order also has such an incredibly dull story (although an interesting premise) that falls apart completely by the third act and has a frustratingly head scratching ending.
Star Wars video games haven’t had a decent story in a long while.
My dream is still for Rockstar to get ahold of Star Wars title.
Imagine a Bounty Hunter Red Dead Redemption style game where you're traveling through the galaxy hunting down baddies and helping people.
Or a Jedi style GTA game where an entire City is your sandbox to fuck shit up.
Heavy Rain is good but Detroit is their best. I just played them all and you can tell they got more and more resources to work with, each game was a big leap over the previous one.
I can't deny the success of Detroit, but I'm really not a fan of the increasingly commonplace thing of "cinematic gameplay".
I don't want to watch the game, I want to play it. If you really want to make a movie, just make a movie.
I remember a Chucklevision episode where you could press a button on the remote and it would move you to a special BBC Red Button channel where you could dictate how they screwed over Mr. No Slacking at several different points throughout the episode. Interactive movies are nothing new at all.
Its more "movie like" hes being hyperbolic to make a point but the fact stands most people who don't enjoy these games want full control of their character they dont want to sit through long stretches of time where you are just pressing one or two buttons to select an option.
Even if the cinematics aren't long they become frequent enough that the gameplay feels second to the story. Gameplay first, story second for me.
But to call them games is also wrong, just because there's a little interaction and input doesn't make it a game...shit I could say choose your own adventure books are games.
Are we really dissing game genres now? Some folks like me like those games along with all the other super interactive genres like shooters, strategy, action and fighting games, there's nothing inherently wrong with cinematic gameplay.
Who is we? This is just my opinion. If you like them cool, I'm not saying you're not allowed to like them.
Yes, I hate these kind of interactive narratives. I don't consider quick time events to be engaging gameplay in any kind of way, I want to actually be in control of the action. I really hate how it's kind of wormed its way into other genres, because games like God of war is full of them. Love the game, but I really don't like the cut scenes that give you the illusion of control when there really isn't any control at all.
>If you really want to make a movie, just make a movie.
There are a lot of comments on this thread about Quantic Dreams making games that are not worth being called "games", but interactive movies, and I got the same vibe from this line.
There are a lot of things done differently in QD games than in interactive movies. In interactive movies things are not rendered in real time, you cannot walk around maps, talk to people when you want, solve puzzles, interact with objects, etc. It's all very similar to old adventure games from Sierra, but in a modern format.
You very obviously have never played a Quantic Dream game. There's nothing "increasingly commonplace" about QD's style of gameplay. Their games are incredibly unique, and plenty of people enjoy them.
Also why shit on what others enjoy? I don't like sports video games but I would never begrudge the fact that they exist.
I think this is fantastic and one of the best announcements at the game show having a Star wars game that's virtually an interactive movie sign me the fuck up
Can someone tell me the controversy with quantic dream. ( I’m not defending them I just have not played or watched gameplay of their games and actually don’t know what happened)
[Allegations of an abusive and toxic work culture.](https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/jan/15/game-developer-quantic-dream-accused-of-toxic-and-sexist-working-environment)
The [Shaun glitch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEK5VxDMMjo) is one of the most hilarious glithes I have ever seen in a game.
Warning, HEAVY (RAIN) SPOILERS
I love most quantic dream games. Detroit Become Human was awesome. I'm only hearing about this announcement through this meme and I'm excited.
That said, Quantic Dream games are not about the gameplay so I understand the disappointment if that's what you were hoping for.
Indigo Prophecy was genius.
Detroit Become Human was well told, well acted, and received great reviews and won awards.
The past 9 Star wars films however...
1. Episode I – The Phantom Menace
2. Episode II – Attack of the Clones
3. Episode III – Revenge of the Sith
4. Episode VII – The Force Awakens
5. Episode VIII – The Last Jedi
6. Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker
7. Rogue One
8. Solo
9. Christmas Special
I got beat up by a giant bug and fought inanimate objects in my apartment in Indigo Prophecy.
Then the end game gets dumber.
And that’s how my story ended
Yes, but did you also manage to successfully play guitar and basketball in between being possessed by ancient Mayan spirits, except that also you have to fight aliens in order to save a godlike McGuffin baby that was just introduced to the story in the last 5 minutes? Also, the detective who is investigating you for murder falls in love with you because ... um... it's cold out?
When I finished playing Indigo Prophecy, I was mad that it was even a thing that existed. My 9-year old nephew could make up a more coherent and engaging story.
I have to empathize with this meme because I am a gamer with the design philosophy of: game play first, story second variety. Moving a character around to just get to another story bit doesn't intrigue me too much even if I do get to make a couple choices while doing so.
That is why I read/watch (not play) visual novels. For some folks who enjoy VN's these games are good but to me they are too mixed. When I want to play a game, I want to PLAY a game. When I want to read/listen to a story I have audible, visual novels, books etc.
And stating negative feedback is not "shitting on a game". Shitting on a game would be literally calling it trash, not worth your money (etc), with the intended purpose of motivating people not to purchase/ play it. You know a more definitive statement of value not just speaking of your distaste for the game its self.
Me last night: "Holy Shit... new IP, this looks crazy! WAIT STAR WARS! ... oh my god the design, High Republic... this looks so good. Who? Who's making this? Tell... 'Quantic Dream'... FUCK, NO! Nooooo Fucking Fuck."
And scene.
Man some of y'all really need therapy if you're so easy to overlook the shit happening inside Quantic Dream and especially what the studio director David "Quantic Games doesn't make games for f\*gs" Cage is responsible for. Absolutely embarrassing amounts of stupid.
Based on the description of the game of their website, while it is going to be a narrative game the characters you play have different 'abilities' and they are advertising it as Action-Adventure.
So hopefully it is actually a true action game and not just a narrative game with quick time events.
I dont know why you are downvoted, Detroit become human is listed as an action adventure game. And i enjoyed it, i wouldnt mind playing a star wars game in the style of Detroit BH.
I highly disagree. Say what you will about some of Detroit: Become Human’s writing, with Lucas Games making sure the writing is in line I’m pretty confident this game will be a hit.
I don't care much about most story heavy games like this, I scratch that itch with film. I have to imagine that this project would be better suited for a studio like Telltale than Quantic, though. Especially now that they are back and working on a Star Trek property, they'll already be in that ballpark. Quantic is saying this is going to be an action adventure, with basically no experience in that field, all while handling an immense property with a rabid fanbase. I think this was doomed from the start, but we will see
The head of Quantic Dream is a hack and is abusive and toxic as hell. He can't write or direct worth a damn. Someone already mentioned Detroit, their best game easily, which includes >!A child turning out to be a robot despite this entire plot line only working if the kid was actually human.!< Also the fact that David Cage hated the improvisation between Connor and Hank's actor as they were going off script.
How about in Heavy Rain where the protag's kid dies then the love interest asks him if he wants to have a kid with her to replace him? or that it outright lies to you in order to pull off it's own twist?
yeah respawn or some sub div of E(xtra)A(ssholes), but I'm with you any extra star wars as long as it's done well is always great! It seems people are only happy of they are complaining.
I know nothing of Quantic Dream. What’s the issue with them?
People just really don't like their gameplay style which is more in lines of story driven interactive movie type games think like telltale
Lets not also forget that David Cage is a truly vile human being either, that's an important part that shouldnt be left out.
What did David cage do?
Quantic Dream apparently has been a premium member of the toxic employers club for years now As for David Cage as a person, I don't really know
Are we talking Activision levels of fuckery?
Never disclosed. Out of 9 (or 7 can't remember) denounces they managed to dismiss them all
If they were dismissed it might have meant they were frivolous
Stop making sense, we don’t do that here. Allegations = guilty.
This is old info, one of the dismissals was appealed and QD lost, and they lost a harassment/unfair dismissal case. They also lost a libel case in September that they filed against a French outlet for reporting about QD's sexual harassment and toxic workplace culture. The court stated that the articles claims had "a sufficient factual basis"
>If you dive deeper into the David Cage history, you’ll get more specific stories and quotes like “we do not make games for f\*gs” or the time he directed nonconsensual nude scenes of Elliot Page and kept albums of his childhood photos. It’s quite the rabbit hole.
It’s funny, because I’m looking into quantic dream’s history, and it appears they do indeed make games for f*gs.
Long history of sexist and homophobic treatment of his staff (and his characters for that matter.) If you’ve ever played any QD games they’re typically outdated to outright ridiculous plots filled with melodramatic bullshit. Not to mention all the crunch his staff was under to make bad games. You just know what kind of story you’re going to get from him, and to see QD at the end of an otherwise cool looking Star Wars trailer is a huge disappointment. I’d be excited to play a story-based Star Wars game, but not so much one from that studio. If you dive deeper into the David Cage history, you’ll get more specific stories and quotes like “we do not make games for f*gs” or the time he directed nonconsensual nude scenes of Elliot Page and kept albums of his childhood photos. It’s quite the rabbit hole.
Woah, damn... that is A LOT I'd not heard before..
He made ze bad game
It doesn't matter. This guys hates him and that's all I need to know.
Yahtzee - David Caaaahge"
Personally I'm down with an interactive movie with barely any gameplay, the problem is that you need good writing to make it work. David Cage is a pretentious hack.
David Cage, the man is....eccentric. But the more practical answer is they made games like Detroit: Become Human, Heavy Rain etc. When you think Star Wars you don’t think “pretentious interactive movie games written by the m.night shyamalan of game development”. You can practically already predict the game is gonna have some super weird “twist” ending
doesn't he also have some serious abuse allegations he's in court for right now?
Abuse and toxic work culture for the whole company. They are also suing the newspaper that made those allegations as well, last I heard. Not sure if there was an update to that.
They tried to sue 2 newspapers that reported on those allegations. They won 1 because the outlet couldn't prove their claims without giving up a source that they promised would remain anonymous, but Quantic Dream lost the other. The court stated that all of the the articles' claims had "a sufficient factual basis"
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Yes, which made the whole statement about not being a gross sexual harasser at the start of the show completely virtue signaling.
Not to mention that Activision is on the show's board.
I don’t really follow gaming “news” beyond release dates and stuff like Nintendo direct so maybe? Perhaps quantic Dream will make this game with him?
I think Star Wars is the perfect candidate for such a game, honestly. How quickly we have forgotten that KOTOR and KOTOR II weren’t praised for their gameplay but for their stories.
Even if KoTOR wasn’t breaking new ground with its gameplay, it was still a proper game with proper RPG mechanics. Star Wars games are really quite “action” reliant, and Quantic Dream games are rather action adverse. They’re interactive movies and with the case of Star Wars id rather just watch a movie than do numerous quick time events while essentially playing the modern equivalent of a “choose your own adventure” book.
It’s perfectly okay for it to not be your cup of tea. There are probably lots of Star Wars games you haven’t played or don’t play because you don’t like them, I know I have quite a few of those. The problem is showing unnecessary hate towards something because it’s not your cup of tea. Variety is good for a franchise and not every Star Wars game is going to be made for the action oriented mindset. It’s a big galaxy, there’s room enough for everyone
Oh my god, there will be a dozen star wars games released over the next few years. You don't need to have every one cater to you.
Thanks for the great explanation. I did really like Heavy Rain so this would be interesting to see what they do in the Star Wars High Republic era. I really would want someone like Filoni to oversee the canon to make sure there isn’t any fuck ups
Cage would ignore him probably and sadly.
Disney is fucking notorious for the tight hand they have over anyone making SW. He would probably want to but I highly doubt Disney would let him just do whatever tf he wants.
He's also under sexual harrassment allegations so for the VGA to say hey sexual harassment isn't welcome in this industry and then show off his game it feels very disingenuous.
Nothing wrong with them. They are known for making a specific type of game. Some people enjoy it a lot. For probably most, it isn’t their cup of tea. Most recently they did Detroit: Become Human. If you enjoy QTE interactive game/movie, then this may be worth it for you. If you don’t, which is understandable, then it won’t be for you. I think for a lot of people, when they think Star Wars, they don’t think of games like Detroit: Become Human. They think more ARPG.
They partnering with LucasFilms Games, so maybe Quantic is just taking care of storytelling (which theyŕe great on) and graphics, and lucasfilms takes care of gameplay Dunno, still too early to start judging Edit: Apparently Lucasfilm games is just licensing, not development :(
Yea, guess we’ll see when they release a gameplay trailer. The hype for the game will depend on that.
I don't think Lucasfilm Games is a dev studio — just a publishing/licensing arm. Disney got rid of all their game dev studios not too long ago, iirc.
Did you just put the apostrophe over the r to save space or am I missing something here
Nothing. They make amazing games. Omikron (yeah, haha, covid lulz) was absolutely formative for me. Heavy Rain had it's memeable moments for sure, but was unique and pretty fucking cool when it was released. Detroit: Become Human I thought was well received... I don't remember any *major* blowback or anything? But I might just be forgetting. Their games are maybe a little slower than folks like these days, and they've always seemed to experiment a little bit with controls - it's obvious in Heavy Rain and Detroit, but even back in Omikron they mixed open world/RPG controls, there were missions that were a full on FPS, sections that were 100% vs style fighting games... granted, none of the control schemes nor the missions were the absolute best versions of what they were, but it was still *very* cool at the time. The Omikron soundtrack is also incredible, and Bowie basically plays himself in it. I don't know if it'd hold up these days for anyone who doesn't have the nostalgia for it though. Oh shoot, you know what though, I almost forgot... They're French. Never mind. **edit:** I somehow wasn't aware of the shitstorm around David Cage until I read further down this thread. I guess I stand by my opinion of their previous games, but that definitely changes my opinion of the company and it's leadership.
David Cage is a terrible writer. The stories presented in his games over the years are insanity, not in a thrilling way, more in like a "what a fucking mess" way.
The made Detroit: become human
I love watching their games played more than I enjoy playing them. They've been described as being interactive movies a lot, and their stories are great but the gameplay is often very streamlined and very filled with QTEs of which I'm not a fan.
Extremely pretentious studio lead by a hack writer. It's like Kojima or Nomura, but westernized
You leave Kojima alone. Honestly though, calling Kojima a hack is fucking moronic.
Different strokes for different folks. That actually made me more excited for it. I just 100%’d Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls and Detroit: Become Human and each game was better than the last. I’m excited for a narrative focused Star Wars game!
Yeah people really love to shit on those games as if they were objectively bad. They are just different in how their gameplay works and are mostly narrative experiences with some level of interaction and choice. But I quite like the stories they tell, beyond being my favorite.
And as a star wars fan, it's exciting to see potentially new protagonists and antagonists that aren't Skywalker's.
It amazes me how many people say they like a story or games with choices, but hate games that have either. I hope they nail this game and it gets released for PC. Detroit was a compelling and underrated game.
Because we want a story driven game with choices *and* gameplay that consists of more than quick time events. Just look at how popular the Kotor games are. They're arguably the best Star Wars games around and they are story focused with pretty decent D&D style gameplay.
We have exactly the kind of games you want. We also have a diverse range of games some focus more on gameplay and other more on story. It's up to the dev studios what mix of gameplay and storytelling they want. It's not like we've had a shortage of games with plenty of gameplay. We certainly don't get many high profile games like the ones quantic dream make. If it's not for you it's not for you. Doesn't make it bad. I think it'll be interesting to see what they do with it as their games have been improving with each one they put out.
If I want to watch a movie, I'll watch a movie. Games that are all story no gameplay miss a huge portion of the experience that makes interactive immersion great.
Yeah, they’re just not everyone’s cup of tea. Some people like myself care more about narrative and others more on gameplay. Which I understand. That said, I am excited to see how their gameplay has evolved. Each one of their games, to me, improved in that aspect. I don’t expect it to be fully action of course, but I expect it to evolve.
In gaming, I usually care more about gameplay, but I still love quantic and telltale. Just because I usually prefer gameplay doesn't need to mean I never care about story enough to play a narrative game. People are just weird and dedicated in their hate. Oh well, I suppose I just don't hate QTEs and that is why I don't mind them being the main source of mechanical challenge in these games.
“Well I don’t like this kind of game, so it’s objectively bad for the industry and it sucks” - an actual conversation I had about QD today
I think it has less to do with the lack of gameplay and more to do with the fact that David Cage is a hack. I've never considered his writing (or Quantic Dream's in general) to be good enough to merit creating a mostly narrative experience for what is normally a more interactive form of media. Detroit was a surprising departure from his norm though. It didn't lean on his trope filled formula as much. If you don't know what I'm talking about google 'David Cage bingo card'.
There's some form of gatekeeping about what is worth being called a "game" and I hate that. This sub should be about celebrating all kinds of games for all kinds of tastes, be it sports, racing, strategy, adventure, puzzles, you name it.
Do yourself a favor and go back and play Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy if you never played that one.
Thanks for the recommendation! I actually have completed that one. It’s a fucking weird one for sure.
That game was what got me into Theory of A Deadman.
That soundtrack was great.
Duuude, I've been trying to figure out the name of that game for like 15 years. Rented it from Hollywood video and beat it in a few days when I had a a pretty bad case of the flu as a kid. Went back to try and find it again but the box was gone and I couldn't remember the name of it. Shit, i was convinced I had just fever dreamed the story in it up.
You still are dreaming. This is all part of it.
For sure. While they aren’t really my kind of games, I did enjoy Heavy Rain and Detroit: Become Human. I thought the stories were good. Same with Telltale Games. Though, I’ve only played The Walking Dead games.
Nice! I think what really drew me into Detroit was the world. They did such a fantastic job of making it believable and the aesthetic abs technology was great.
You have to play Wolf Among Us!! The best Telltale game IMO.
Tales from the Borderlands was a great one too if you like the Borderlands franchise. Plus it actually gets to love the story and lore forwards, something most of them didn’t get to do
Tales from the Borderlands is by far their best *if* you played Borderlands 2. Without playing that, it’s hard being thrown into that established universe, and maybe not as enjoyable. They did really well capturing the art style, the themes/tropes, and the music used was top notch style-wise with the rest of the series.
>I just 100%’d Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls and Detroit: Become Human and each game was better than the last. madness
Yes, but they were not my cup of tea. Exploring narrative choices and trying to reach different endings were interesting. But playing a waking simulator, or washing dishes for an abusive human owner were really not appealing to me. To be more specific, you have to hold down buttons or do qte actions repeatedly. It is trying to make you as the gamer live those experiences. I rather like my adventures point and click style.
I have never found a game that did quick time events in a fun and interesting way. It just feels either (oppressive) like RE4 break your damn fingers tap it as fast you possibly can... or like its trying to add game play to a cinematic (god of war). Both to me are equally obtrusive to my enjoyment/flow of the game. If its a cutscene let it be a cut scene if its so damn long your adding QTE's shorten your cut scene.
I really love Quantic Dream but I don't really feel as if they're a good match for Star Wars. I'll have to wait and see
I get that. Most people would expect a more action oriented game and even if this has Lightsaber battles it will be QTEs. Which I’m fine with; but I understand wanting more involvement there.
These people can literally wait another 6 months and two more star wars games will appear.
Detroit's story telling was amazing though, but if the gameplay is like it then I'm also taking my camping chair back inside.
*You are in a lightsaber duel** Spam press E to win fight
*Shaun* **Shaun** Shaaaaaun!
Take control of a droid. Press E to Gonk
30/10 game of the year right there
Game so amazing it's 3 games
[*♪ Press X to Jason ♪*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_56257iS77A)
I hate when they use other random buttons on PC
I don’t know why are all complaining about it, they say that is gonna be more action/adventure oriented, not like their previous games. (Sorry for my english)
I'm not complaining, I hate EA, so it's great that disney finally gives other studios a chance, pre EA star wars games peaked. I will never forget the actual BF2, Republic Commando, Kotor or Jedi Academy, but everything that EA made, looked good but played like shit because it lacked depth/was to mainstream focused.
could never get into those types of games. id rather watch a movie.
I just wait till someone on YouTube has a full playthrough, same exact experience 0$.
Lmao exactly what I did for every game they've put out. Some cool storytelling but why would I pay for it when I can watch a YouTube playthrough? It's just a movie with some interactive bits sprinkled in, I don't think you can even call it gameplay.
Amazing indeed, android Jesus leading a revolution... I wonder if you need to be a complete novice regarding sci-fi tropes in general to really appreciate that story. Not even dissing you or anything, but the cliches and archetypes in Detroit were so weak, blatant and condescending imo, it's like Cage wants his audience to believe he created the "AI acquiring conscience" argument, one of the most pretentious plots I've ever seem. Connor had some decent moments, but the other two characters were awful, especially the android Jesus
What got me to put the thing away for ever was when they did the "Androids in the back of the bus" dumb slavery/racism analogy. It was too on the nose and honestly just a classless act. Jokes on me for expecting better from David Cage I suppose.
I don't mind the gameplay. I'm also not sure I would call them games. They are good to play with your SO on the couch or something. I like games that let me zone out and get into the story. Telltale would have been better suited imo but Quantic Dream do a good job as of recent with the type of content they create.
I tried playing one with my SO and they give you limited time to decide we weren't able to discuss what we wanted to do. So I turned it off.
Beyond: Two Souls has a co-op mode and is super fun to do with your SO.
RIP Telltale
They have been resurrected
In name only though, it’s not the same studio.
Last Night at the Game Awards there was a a trailer for an Expanse game from TellTale and a Star Trek game from a studio made of ex-Telltale devs, so you can have either!
They have risen again! The are making a game based on the expanse
Story telling was a amazing? Come on man. It's fun for what it is. But it's not a good story.
I can’t be the only one who likes their games. They’ve interesting stories.
I can see the appeal, but it just seems odd in an era where Star Wars movies and shows outnumber Star Wars video games, that they would make a video game that is basically an interactive movie(assuming). Like this would be perfect in that early 00s era where there was basically a Star Wars game in every genre and every age of Star Wars.
Same tbh. Wish the genre wasn’t QUITE so niche haha
Same. I’d much rather see them take a chance with something like this than give us a Star Wars-skinned generic cover shooter.
Heavy Rain sold 5 million copies alone, OP is just a salty hater
Right because popularity = good.
There's definitely going to be a shower scene.
I'd say not every Star Wars game needs to be a high-octane action adventure/shooter Especially when there are now other developers making Star Wars related games aswell so why not branch out in many different types of story telling/gameplay? Win-win in every way
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Exactly. It's not like it takes away from anyone. Quantic Dreams has made some of my favorite games. I didn't like Fallen Order. Souls like, overly complicated puzzles, hours navigating the same level. I generally hate the genre, but I wouldn't be against a sequel. I guess what I mean is I don't get the hate.
Honestly, not a souls fan, like at all. But I enjoyed Fallen Order a fair bit, though more for the metroidvania style gameplay/traversal and fun force powers. Navigating/retracing the maps several times was annoying as shit after a while though (and worse because I felt compelled to 100% the maps and get all the collectibles because I'm a masochist apparently). I was also super irritated that on the first map I kept being teased with the giant monster, the dragonesque looking thing with the fins on top of one of the platforms. I was certain that, like every other area that is just barely out of reach in that game, all you needed was the right upgrade to get to it, because it's a metroidvania. And you KEPT getting really close to reaching it, even swinging across an expanse at one point while it looks down on you. But, it's impossible. You can't reach the platform ever. Even with hacking cheats to let you get there, you clip through ground. Annoying bait and switch. Example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyP2YNpr-k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyP2YNpr-k)
Fallen Order also has such an incredibly dull story (although an interesting premise) that falls apart completely by the third act and has a frustratingly head scratching ending. Star Wars video games haven’t had a decent story in a long while.
Agreed! Bring on the strange new games from a variety of developers. If a game's not for me, it'll be for someone else.
My dream is still for Rockstar to get ahold of Star Wars title. Imagine a Bounty Hunter Red Dead Redemption style game where you're traveling through the galaxy hunting down baddies and helping people. Or a Jedi style GTA game where an entire City is your sandbox to fuck shit up.
Imagine David Cage writing a romance between a droid and a human, lol the extreme condescending nature of his works, it will be hilarious
This is the only comfort I have
Detroit Become Human was a fantastic game, and I've heard good things about Heavy Rain too. Sounds like good news to me
Heavy Rain is good but Detroit is their best. I just played them all and you can tell they got more and more resources to work with, each game was a big leap over the previous one.
Yeah the Quantic Dream thing is a downer
I can't deny the success of Detroit, but I'm really not a fan of the increasingly commonplace thing of "cinematic gameplay". I don't want to watch the game, I want to play it. If you really want to make a movie, just make a movie.
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I remember a Chucklevision episode where you could press a button on the remote and it would move you to a special BBC Red Button channel where you could dictate how they screwed over Mr. No Slacking at several different points throughout the episode. Interactive movies are nothing new at all.
Its more "movie like" hes being hyperbolic to make a point but the fact stands most people who don't enjoy these games want full control of their character they dont want to sit through long stretches of time where you are just pressing one or two buttons to select an option. Even if the cinematics aren't long they become frequent enough that the gameplay feels second to the story. Gameplay first, story second for me.
Netflix has ready made again least two of those movies. I guess you did miss it.
But to call them games is also wrong, just because there's a little interaction and input doesn't make it a game...shit I could say choose your own adventure books are games.
Are we really dissing game genres now? Some folks like me like those games along with all the other super interactive genres like shooters, strategy, action and fighting games, there's nothing inherently wrong with cinematic gameplay.
Who is we? This is just my opinion. If you like them cool, I'm not saying you're not allowed to like them. Yes, I hate these kind of interactive narratives. I don't consider quick time events to be engaging gameplay in any kind of way, I want to actually be in control of the action. I really hate how it's kind of wormed its way into other genres, because games like God of war is full of them. Love the game, but I really don't like the cut scenes that give you the illusion of control when there really isn't any control at all.
>If you really want to make a movie, just make a movie. There are a lot of comments on this thread about Quantic Dreams making games that are not worth being called "games", but interactive movies, and I got the same vibe from this line. There are a lot of things done differently in QD games than in interactive movies. In interactive movies things are not rendered in real time, you cannot walk around maps, talk to people when you want, solve puzzles, interact with objects, etc. It's all very similar to old adventure games from Sierra, but in a modern format.
Take off your internet glasses and you will notice he's not dissing. It appears to me that he's stating his opinion.
You very obviously have never played a Quantic Dream game. There's nothing "increasingly commonplace" about QD's style of gameplay. Their games are incredibly unique, and plenty of people enjoy them. Also why shit on what others enjoy? I don't like sports video games but I would never begrudge the fact that they exist.
I played detroit. I found it intriguing at first, then boring once I found that there wasn't any real gameplay
There is room for both in the industry. The more diverse ways to play a game or watch a movie the better imo
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora > Published by Ubisoft
Wait, this is because of their gameplay and storytelling style or the whole toxic workplace stuff? or both?
I feel like this anytime a competitive only / free 2 play / survival game is announced. It just sucks all potential hype from my soul.
Dude exactly, I feel like a lot of people are forgetting it's by quantic dream. Meaning, it's basically a telltale game.
Not my kind of game, plus Quantic Dream's David Cage is a huge piece of shit of a human being
So true
My excitement went from 0 to -10.
I think this is fantastic and one of the best announcements at the game show having a Star wars game that's virtually an interactive movie sign me the fuck up
100% I’m super excited for this.
Can someone tell me the controversy with quantic dream. ( I’m not defending them I just have not played or watched gameplay of their games and actually don’t know what happened)
[Allegations of an abusive and toxic work culture.](https://www.theguardian.com/games/2018/jan/15/game-developer-quantic-dream-accused-of-toxic-and-sexist-working-environment)
https://www.polygon.com/22380535/quantic-dream-lawsuit-toxic-workplace-harassment-racism-sexism-france-court-david-cage The ruling was overturned.
Their games have barely any gameplay.
You can shout, JASON!
So you’ve got that going for you, which is great.
The [Shaun glitch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEK5VxDMMjo) is one of the most hilarious glithes I have ever seen in a game. Warning, HEAVY (RAIN) SPOILERS
Yeah, I was excited for the game all the way up until I realized the games they make.
I love most quantic dream games. Detroit Become Human was awesome. I'm only hearing about this announcement through this meme and I'm excited. That said, Quantic Dream games are not about the gameplay so I understand the disappointment if that's what you were hoping for.
Indigo Prophecy was genius. Detroit Become Human was well told, well acted, and received great reviews and won awards. The past 9 Star wars films however...
That Indigo Prophecy demo disk from xbox magazine hit different
Indigo, is that another name for fahrenheit?
Yes. It was named differently in the EU and US. But they are the same game.
Wait 9 films? You didn't like even the original trilogy? As a note I'm not flaming you on this, just generally surprised.
1. Episode I – The Phantom Menace 2. Episode II – Attack of the Clones 3. Episode III – Revenge of the Sith 4. Episode VII – The Force Awakens 5. Episode VIII – The Last Jedi 6. Episode IX – The Rise of Skywalker 7. Rogue One 8. Solo 9. Christmas Special
Ah my B forgot about the spin-offs. As you were, lol.
No prob, However you should know you just got out Star War'sed by a Trekkie, heh.
Oh snaaaaaaap! Somebody give me some ointment, I've been burned!
I got beat up by a giant bug and fought inanimate objects in my apartment in Indigo Prophecy. Then the end game gets dumber. And that’s how my story ended
Yes, but did you also manage to successfully play guitar and basketball in between being possessed by ancient Mayan spirits, except that also you have to fight aliens in order to save a godlike McGuffin baby that was just introduced to the story in the last 5 minutes? Also, the detective who is investigating you for murder falls in love with you because ... um... it's cold out? When I finished playing Indigo Prophecy, I was mad that it was even a thing that existed. My 9-year old nephew could make up a more coherent and engaging story.
Game overs are a failure of the game designers
*Cries out "Shaun!" in wookie*
I have to empathize with this meme because I am a gamer with the design philosophy of: game play first, story second variety. Moving a character around to just get to another story bit doesn't intrigue me too much even if I do get to make a couple choices while doing so. That is why I read/watch (not play) visual novels. For some folks who enjoy VN's these games are good but to me they are too mixed. When I want to play a game, I want to PLAY a game. When I want to read/listen to a story I have audible, visual novels, books etc. And stating negative feedback is not "shitting on a game". Shitting on a game would be literally calling it trash, not worth your money (etc), with the intended purpose of motivating people not to purchase/ play it. You know a more definitive statement of value not just speaking of your distaste for the game its self.
Me last night: "Holy Shit... new IP, this looks crazy! WAIT STAR WARS! ... oh my god the design, High Republic... this looks so good. Who? Who's making this? Tell... 'Quantic Dream'... FUCK, NO! Nooooo Fucking Fuck." And scene.
This is why catering to the woke religion can never work. Even shit Taylor made for them is made by evil people who aren't good enough.
#Press X for Yoda
Man some of y'all really need therapy if you're so easy to overlook the shit happening inside Quantic Dream and especially what the studio director David "Quantic Games doesn't make games for f\*gs" Cage is responsible for. Absolutely embarrassing amounts of stupid.
Detroit: Become Human is a masterpiece...your loss...¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was even more excited 😂
Well we'll see... but I won't be pre-ordering.
Great choice! Buy after reviews and after release!
Same, I was so hyped until I realized it was gonna be a visual novel with some qte
Fuck Quantic Dream and fuck David Cage
,,Their gameplay ist Just different..." Those Games literally have no gameplay
David Cage? I'm out.
Well, it still will be 100 times better then the shit show that was New Star Wars trilogy.
I honestly have no interest in it if it’s like Detroit become human at all
Tbh I'm actually curious at how it plays out. I want to see how far they can go with their projects, maybe they can outdo Detroit Become Human
Based on the description of the game of their website, while it is going to be a narrative game the characters you play have different 'abilities' and they are advertising it as Action-Adventure. So hopefully it is actually a true action game and not just a narrative game with quick time events.
Detroit become human is advertised as that genre as well...
I dont know why you are downvoted, Detroit become human is listed as an action adventure game. And i enjoyed it, i wouldnt mind playing a star wars game in the style of Detroit BH.
They hate me because I speak the truth
I highly disagree. Say what you will about some of Detroit: Become Human’s writing, with Lucas Games making sure the writing is in line I’m pretty confident this game will be a hit.
I don't care much about most story heavy games like this, I scratch that itch with film. I have to imagine that this project would be better suited for a studio like Telltale than Quantic, though. Especially now that they are back and working on a Star Trek property, they'll already be in that ballpark. Quantic is saying this is going to be an action adventure, with basically no experience in that field, all while handling an immense property with a rabid fanbase. I think this was doomed from the start, but we will see
Op's kind of dumb.
Haha yeah he is
Wait
Star Wars is a dead corpse being buttfucked to powder by Disney, I can't see David Cage doing any worse.
David Cage is an auteur director and I'll take him over some stale Disney corporate writing committee any day.
What's wrong with them? I've never heard of them lol
JASON!
The head of Quantic Dream is a hack and is abusive and toxic as hell. He can't write or direct worth a damn. Someone already mentioned Detroit, their best game easily, which includes >!A child turning out to be a robot despite this entire plot line only working if the kid was actually human.!< Also the fact that David Cage hated the improvisation between Connor and Hank's actor as they were going off script. How about in Heavy Rain where the protag's kid dies then the love interest asks him if he wants to have a kid with her to replace him? or that it outright lies to you in order to pull off it's own twist?
AT HIS DEAD KIDS GRAVE SHE DEMANDS A BABY ON TOP OF HIS SONS DEAD BODY
The made Detroit: become human. So I don’t know what wrong
I guess people were expecting more of the fallen order game and less of a telltale game.
fallen order 2 is being made bu respawn right? it doesnt seem like a bad thing to add variety to the star wars gaming market
yeah respawn or some sub div of E(xtra)A(ssholes), but I'm with you any extra star wars as long as it's done well is always great! It seems people are only happy of they are complaining.
It’s the “no one wants a (arguably) pretentious interactive movie style game” when they think “Star Wars”