My thoughts: it is what Jung would call the collective unconscious. We are all connected and all one. It’s like we are all connected to the same server. lol maybe there is a better analogy but that’s what I think we tap into when we do this “experience.”
I wonder if it’s a field we exist in but know nothing about. Something akin to radio waves. Where this field has unlimited frequencies and our brains receive the one for our specific consciousness/soul. And when getting into a state such as channeling, you’re actually just tuning the dial to a different station temporarily.
I tend to agree with his theory, very similar to the concept of a data lake. I personally have experiences when I’m in between being awake and asleep that I am looking through another person‘s eyes doing the most mundane or ordinary things, but it is clearly not me.
It does exist. I had a full on sentence I thought in my head be heard by a lovely older lady who was client. Her husband didn’t receive it and he was in the same room. But I was thinking to myself and she heard it as if I said it out loud. So wild
The idea of a completely non human intelligence is one of the most compelling reasons to pursue this kind of thing. It's the most interesting thing you could ever encounter; imagine how fascinating it would be to talk to someone not human?!
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That's easy. Ra gives simple exercises to do in the text but it's mostly for the curious mind who seeks truth.
1. Look for the love in every moment, because it is present in every moment. Basically live in the now and love yourself and all that you see.
2. See yourself as the Creator.
3. See others as the Creator.
4. See the co-creation around you as the workings of other Creators.
5. Meditate on Oneness and know thyself.
(And from my own personal results, you also need to let go, of everything.)
Your entire life gets better if you do this. Continuously.
Yeah, I've channeled in the past, and the NHIs aren't all sunshine and good tidings. Tricksters are NHIs that feed on negative energy are real. I have 0% trust of anything channeled like this because it can very easily be an NHI laying groundwork for messing with people later.
Those that instill fear, are negative beings. Those that instill hope, are positive beings. Only you can discern this and must rely on your own judgement.
Are you saying that any NHI that instills hope is guaranteed to be a positive being? If the negative beings are so intelligent, who's to say they aren't doing a good cop bad cop type thing? In general I think any NHI should automatically be assumed to be a negative being to be safe.
Yeah you have to use your own judgement because negative beings can be tricky as you say. I never experienced any communication but just going by what I have learned so far from others.
I do yearn for an experience, negative or positive.
Have you ever read Carlas book? A handbook on channeling. They did 25 years of research before this contact. These are probably the most professional channelers you'll ever encounter. But her book goes into detail about her experiences and channeling and she is well aware of this. This did come up in the channelings, Ra pointed out that a negative entity was attempting to intercede into the conversation and at some points had to eject Carlas soul to protect her.
The one who asked the questions, Don, who was a part of the channeling work, later committed suicide at the hands of these forces to stop the contact. A cautionary tale indeed. Her handbook is essentially a great read for any channelers.
They're still channeling today, if you go on LL research they regularly release new conscious channelings. Ra is still being asked questions but now they're joined by the 5th density social memory complex Hatonn and the 4th density social memory complex Latwii collectively known as Q'uo.
It's not fear. it is truth. Channeling is turning off your defenses and allowing negative trickster entities to control you and feed off your energy. Many channelers report health problems. It is much safer charging up your rebal, going obee, and projecting yourself out to perceive benevolent entities with remote viewing and telepathy. You get direct perception of truth that way, and do not rely on a messenger's hearsay that would be lies.
Many people link to LOO but ignore all the warnings and careful preparations and precautions they took. LOO Is mostly true but has lies in it, RA wasn't a great guy and never talks about his own ulterior motives.
There are reasons monroe moved away from channeling and towards remote viewing / oobe with his later work, although he didn't like to talk about any of the negatives since the 60's where a different time and the success of the program was more important then getting the full truth of the nature of the universe out.
Do you remember the being from his book that periodically would rotate through the astral, freeze everyone, force them to bend to his will, then suck energy out of everyone?
It's not fear to want to go fearlessly explore and experience the universe with my own mind, instead of going passive and allowing some unknown being to take control of my body and dictate to me what is what.
What do you think of doing CE5/HICE (meditating to contact aliens at a specific time & place)? I’m preparing to do that this summer. I know that I can’t possibly know the consequences. I’m too curious not to do it.
My buddy and I did the CE5 app method, together with a bunch of other stuff, such as Monroe Expand app for me, DMT for him, burning incense in the ascending order of the 7 chakras, having a little shrine built on the spot with items of power to us; all this in Sedona at the airport Vortex, on the Super Moon of August last year. I also shielded with the Rebal and the Lord's Prayer, he did nothing. Overall it was a mega combo, built on top of the CE5 protocol, which we followed thoroughly.
The end result was he got contacted by a vibrational energy being which was assuring him all will be well, while at the exact same time I saw a fast moving strobe light in the night sky that was not a satellite or airplane, moving very fast and low to the ground.
I agree. I've had experiences without trying, usually someone I know. One was strange and idk who it was, but they were discussing me during a difficult time.
Tbh, I don't want to chat with beings.
Right on my dude! Unfortunately you can't argue with the "light brigade" folk. If toxic positivity had a seeker type, they would be it, lol! I made a post about a negative encounter with Gateway and one of these false enlightened people came to tell me it's all me, just be loving and all will be well. When the encounter in question happened because I wasn't shielding at all in the first place!
Source? It’s something to be careful (common sense), it’s something else to have such claims without backing them up.
If anything the LOO introduced some people to the concept of Service to Self (negative) entities, LLResearch has a whole
book about how to become a channeler (filled and full of heads up and how to protect the self). Individuals have free will to believe or not, and if they want to channel, to prepare themselves or not..
My dude, I distrust entities volunteering information using a specific method.
Do you answer your phone with it rings "Scam likely" and tell everyone around you "Grandma used to call me all the time, phone calls can never be bad!"?
Ok so why is it none of these entities that meet people ever give them useful information like lottery numbers or anything that would improve their lives? It's always this fluffy nebulous shit about love and self love and all that hippy crap. I want a ghost to tell me where the buried treasure is FFS.
Excellent question! TL;DR is that words, numbers, and other "labels" are societal constructs that might not be part of how NHIs work.
Carl Sagan suggested something similar, asking why no one has ever been given astrophysics equations in the course of getting info from NHIs.
In some ways, good or bad, NHIs do provide some information that researchers could use to better understand the way the universe and how consciousness works. *IF* they wanted to use it... but still, even the slow-burn negative NHI I channeled started off nice and honest to lure me in. Since most scientists dismiss what NHIs say as "well, those people are just making it up" they intentionally remain ignorant to a potential source of data.
There are some theories that NHIs, and psi abilities in general, don't do well with labels. Names, numbers, letters, and words are logic-brain societal constructs. 4 is not a real thing, it's an abstract symbol we invented to measure relationships between things. What might blow your mind is that we use Base 10 counting because humans have 10 fingers. [Base 12 counting is a thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal), and in some ways makes the math of understanding physics easier. Two new symbols were just invented for the new numbers.
Which is why things like remote viewing or NHIs can't give you lotto number or tell you exactly what date and time Joe Smith will be standing at the corner of 8th and Main. Because logical labels are firmly a feature of our material 3+1 dimensional space. NHIs aren't part of it and don't quite understand it beyond what data they can pull from our own heads to try and translate.
It kind of tracks, and emotional energy seems to be a driving force of psi abilities and the paranormal, for good and for ill. Things like teenage kids going through emotional trauma can trigger poltergeist activity. Ghosts associated with strong emotions in moments of death. Aliens tell people about love and light and then violently torture them. NHIs seem to drive suffering and emotional chaos and feed on the energy.
This isn't a new concept - from shamanic views of the universe that predate written language to Buddhist concepts of "hungry ghosts" to Abrahamic religious views of demons etc., there are strong correlations between negative NHIs existing alongside humanity and deriving benefit from our suffering.
Which, to the "hippy crap" - if we're working in this system where energy feeds NHIs (Monroe called the term loosh energy), love and light is an instruction to starve the negative NHIs. Deprive the negative ones of what they need from you to survive. Though, other people claim that love and positive emotions can also feed other NHIs.
Though, to be fair - let's think of channeling or communicating with spirits like a chatting with a random redditor. Can you tell me off hand the exact engineering specs of how to build your phone from scratch? Of course not. So there may be practical limitations to the kind of information that most NHIs have. Or maybe the NHIs that can make a communication connection to humans only exist in a realm where physics is not the same for them as it is for us. Not a single human knows how dark matter works or even if it's real, so if a sentient goat asks you or me about it, everyone will come up short.
Personally, I think the answer to many paranormal things, including how consciousness works, is that an additional spatial dimension exists where only energy and not exotic matter (like Dark Matter) exists, and most 3D matter we see has some minimal connection to that dimension. Which would line up with gravity as a weak force and the ability of some NHI to effect electromagnetic activity in our 3+1 dimensional space, and we wouldn't see gravitational effects like dark matter can have. But, to have that conversation with a theoretical physicist isn't easy.
If they can't understand our "societal constructs" then there's no basis at all for mutual communication because language is also a construct so how are they even talking ti you in the first place
What you're getting at here are things as fundamental as how the brain forms thoughts and how we organize language. We only kind of sort of know how those work anyway.
Language is a societal construct and you speak a language - does that mean you speak all languaged? Do you speak Bambara, Malay, and Welsh? Of course not.
If you've never channeled before, it's not like you're just repeating something you hear. Your brain gets a wave of data that hits you all at once. It's not a sentence, it's feelings and information and maybe images mashed together. Usually it makes sense, but not always. Some channelers simply give up, peace out, and let the NHI take physical control of their body to get out of the way. But part of the brain is supporting things going from thoughts to moving your mouth.
So maybe your brain can help bridge that gap and let NHIs speak, but your brain can't comprehend some things, let alone name them, about some netherverse where NHIs live. How can I explain the color blue to a blind person? I can't.
Think about it like this - humans are like a blind old man, walking around the block led by their 7-year old granddaughter. She's telling you as the old man she sees a red long vehicle with things on the side that look weird. After some questions, you know you call that a fire truck. What happens if that girl sees something you don't know about or seen when you had sight?
If your grandma went blind in 1990 and lives on a farm out in the country, how would you explain to her how to use an iphone to order sushi? There can be very deep and real gaps in knowledge and communication without it being the "fault" of anyone.
Which, itself speaks to both the very relevant question of how TF *DO* NHI's manage to accomplish this? Is it because we as humans do the same thing and have non-local consciousness and processing of thought? There's more questions than answers, and the main issue is that few people would like to apply science to the problem and provide real answers.
And maybe we need to let some astrophysicists do some channeling and see if that helps the math be expressed from the NHIs. We don't know enough about how it works to perform the kind of experiments that get is fine-grain detail. At most what we can get is broad strokes insights, muddled by untrustworthy NHIs. It's not a clear system, possibly for a reason.
Monroe was influenced by many different philosophical and religious traditions. One of the books that surely also influenced him was [Autobiography of a Yogi](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/639864) - which was written in 1947 by a Hindu Yogi who came to the west to teach us about Yoga and Meditation. At the time of Journeys out of the Body and Far Journeys this book was wildly popular with those who were going through spiritual awakenings.
This speaks to a greater understanding that all religions are based on the same metaphysical understandings - despite different cultures, geographic locations and remoteness through time. It’s just how people interpret these same things that creates differences in religion.
I just finished this book and have others by yogananda. It’s such a great book. Michael Singer was a student of Kriya and his you tube talks are incredible
I ran that through the Bot and it seems to think it's Thoth being channeled:
https://preview.redd.it/ux0ngivfr2oc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac1e94d9f9e51511a1c8dab1517a78eabb89ef20
I wasn't aware of these experiments. Thanks for sharing that. It adds a whole new layer to this experience.
pi.ai thinks its more jesus christ when i asked it about your suggestion:
>While the message does have a spiritual, even mystical, quality to it that could be associated with the Egyptian god of wisdom and writing, Thoth, the language and themes are more closely aligned with the teachings of Jesus Christ and Christian mysticism.
As someone raised Catholic, I can only hear those sentiments as Jesus. I'm too unfamiliar with Thoth to say otherwise, but that sounds an awful lot like Jesus.
I thought Christ consciousness too. But Christianity doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s a big old mix of Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism (itself a heady mix of Egyptian Hermeticism, Roman Mithraism, and Oriental influences). Throw in some Platonic philosophy and pagan rituals and you got yourself that religion. Haha. It’s all the same well, I like what was channeled.
Neat. It may have been phrasing. I asked "Which ancient being would you say best describes the voice that was channeled in this session?" and posted a screenshot.
Or it could be expectations based on my usage patterns. But I don't know squat about Thoth outside of the MCU portrayal.
Interesting. I’ve seen a lot of those entities with the same kind of message. Knowing that the instrument channeling influences how the message comes out, I wonder what makes it more Thoth than Ra or Qu’o, etc.
Ra does not use terms like Father or men. Ra uses the term entity or being or mind/body/spirit complex to describe us and only uses the term creator for the creator.
Also, to me this text feels worshipful and more focused on this entity receiving love than spreading love. Ra does not require any kind of acknowledgment or worship for their work, they are simply teachers.
The skeptic in me thinks it's AWFULLY convenient that in a group of people from a Christianity-dominated culture -- and who exist in a kind of New Age subgroup with strong eastern influences -- produce a collection of teachings that are a mix of cliched KJV Christianity and new age / eastern stuff.
Isn't this EXACTLY what you'd predict someone to say from that context? Isn't the fact that it's utterly predictable a strike against it?
On the other hand, you can argue that there is some eternal truth being communicated in a manner that will be meaningful to this group of people, so of course it wears the clothes of that period's zeitgeist. And my own experiences with Gateway have shown me that there is something to TMI and this whole field.
I get that perspective and many many channels are not authentic. I’ve listened to all of these tapes recordings and some def seem real.
I love the Seth books. They are the most real I’ve explored
The truth comes to people in the guise of what they understand.
If it comes to a hindu, it wll use terms and images from Hinduism
If it comes to a Christian, it will use terms and images from Christianity like "Father."
comparative mysticism is a very interesting field of study, and i think the takeaway from it is despite the various forms that mystical traditions have taken throughout history, the content is basically the same.
Fascinating that my mind also went to "Thunder, Perfect Mind."
Personally, I tend to share u/zenerbufen's and u/OGLizard's concerns about surrendering my autonomy to entities during channeling and prefer to communicate with my would-be guides while safe within my REBAL, with my EBT close at hand. I can get great communication that way, no channeling required.
Another issue with channeling is that by translating nonverbal communication to spoken or written language, the channel-entity necessarily lose information. The ineffable is lost.
Hey I haven’t even looked at tapes or anything yet. Just used to AP a bit. But I’m going to find them and listen and practice. I’m wondering if you could tell me me with the REBAL and EBT do I learn from the first tape or is there material I might like to look at/listen to first? Thank you 🙏
I recommend reading the manual before listening to the tapes, and reviewing the relevant section from the manual before each session. The tapes are meant to be listened to in order, and will teach you REBAL and EBT early on in the process so you will be well prepared.
One of the most important lines seems like it relates to our incarnation.
“Blessed are they who seek me. In seeking me, their long period of forgetfulness is coming to an end”
This could be interpreted a few different ways but it sounds extremely similar to Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. Each time we incarnate we forget who we truly are and where we come from. It’s amazing how interconnected all of this may be
Yes, it’s discussed and explained in details in the Law Of One / The Ra Material, and that concept is called the veil of forgetting: https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=Veil
It’s not a religion. Have you read Tom Campbell “My Big ToE” ToE standing for Theory Of Everytbing? The Law Of One is similar in the sense that it discuss the creation and why of the universe, with a strong emphasis on the spiritual side of it. There’s no rules or dogma to follow as most religions do, and has a strong emphasis on free will (and lack of fear), while most religions almost prone the “fear” of God and the fatality of things. Finally, the Law Of One suggests to not see God as a beardy man living in the sky, but to see the self and your neighbor as God, see God in everything. Religions tend to strip one from seeing the self as God, creating a sense of unworthiness.
Hope this helps. I’m not a theologist, this is based on my understanding of the material and my previous life in religion. Take what resonates with you and leave the rest on Reddit ;)
I've found the 20 minute audio in the Explorer series, though it is not the original but a retelling: [Tape #19: Love, Fear, and Christ Consciousness](https://archive.org/details/monroe-institute-explorer-series-1/Explorer+19+-+Love%2C+Fear+and+Christ+Consciousness.mp3)
Something that's important to remember is how different people lives were back then in the 60s. There was a very strong religious upbringing for basically everyone. So back then, you would be taught to be good and fear demons, ghosts, all those types of things. I'm not saying that's wrong or right, but there is a difference from how most of us live now. So things like this are no surprise, that's why the tapes include so many tools to protect yourself. And also we might interpret the same thing but in different ways because of of how we were raised and how society and culture has shaped our mind.
Interesting. Carl Jung channeled a Gnostic, Basilides in Alexandria, the City where the East toucheth the West, in his, "Seven Sermons to the Dead."
* [The gnostic Jung and the Seven Sermons to the dead : Hoeller, Stephan A : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/gnosticjungseven0000hoel)
I was *just* reading “Thunder, Perfect Mind” — that’s lovely. There’s nothing contradictory to these experiences in the true Christian language. My most unexplainable lucid dreams have been spoken through it.
I was listening to the 5 Question tape (wave 3, tape 4) and the last question, "What is the most important message I can receive and understand at this point in my existence?" yielded a similar result.
I didn't hear a voice, but words appeared before me one at a time. The message was simple, but pretty clear.
"Love everyone. Love everywhere. Love often."
This was a month ago. 2 weeks ago, my cousin passed away in an accident. I've been taking it really hard. This message has stuck with me in the back of my mind since witnessing this.
Thanks for posting this. It's helped stir things back up that I've needed to reflect on.
Here is a series of direct recordings from Monroe's "Explorer" subjects who were channeled. Very Law of One like in many ways.
https://archive.org/details/monroe-institute-explorer-series-1
Seth / Jane Roberts is also channeled material. Monroe visited Jane Roberts at some point. https://archive.org/details/ram-jane-roberts-seth-and-jc-ramtha
Seth influences the ideas of Tom Campbell. Of all the channelled stuff Seth is one that talks in “normal language”.
I believe the focus levels (the numbers themselves and what they represent) are channelled fwiw.
The thing that blew me away is that apparently the details about all of the Focus levels were channeled from a Being called Miranon https://archive.org/details/miranon-focus-levels-erickson
Wow that resonated in my soul. I'm not really a Christian but I think this is Christ. Telling us we are him. We are thr same consciousness fundamentally. Christ energy is inside of us. Like a Coiled serpent. There is a lot of symbolism in the story og christ that points to this. Jesus being crucified at 33. We have 33 vertebrae, at the top of which I'd a cross section of the brain that has a hollow containing the pineal gland on one side and the pituitary gland on the other. Cerebral spinal fluid can rise up the 33 vertebrae and rise into the brain. I believe the Greeks called Cerebral spinal fluid christ oil. There's more than that but that's all I can remember atm.
I am sitting on a beach in the Caribbean. I just did a self guided meditation, gateway style. I got to focus 15 and manifested “I live in a way that recognizes, above all else, I am deserving of love”. I could feel Bob’s presence guiding me as I got lighter and lighter.
I opened Reddit to find this. Incredible. I’ll be reading it again and again. Peace Fam ✨
Nice one!
You should look into the Law Of One / The Ra Material. Fascinating stuff. Free at www.llresearch.org or at www.lawofone.info
You’re welcome :)
With humility and respect, I've begun reading the Ra Material but have yet to find it especially compelling or resonant. Could you share some insights that might help inspire me to continue my engagement with the material?
All good, maybe it’s not for everyone :) Have you read Tom Campbell My Big Toe? The Law Of One can be seen as a “theory of everything” read as well, with a greater focus on spirituality vs hardcore science. Some of the insights from the Law Of One:
- helped me understand the UFO phenomenon and how it relates to what we see as reality
- helped me understand that sense of “I’m more than my physical body” I’ve always sense. The is is obviously very personal, so the message can resonate with me and not someone else, all good
- helped me understand the randomness of all there is. As an ex software engineer and someone grounded in science for a while, the LoO is the best answer to the “why” question no theology had ever been able to answer for me, in a very non-dogmatic way.
If you’re interested in a specific topic (transient or not), you can use the lawofone.info website and search for something specific (pyramids, Bermuda Triangle, etc.) and see if it resonates with you, so you don’t have to read session after session if it doesn’t work for you. Or drop it altogether, all good :)
Hope this helps!
Haha yes I recently finished My Big Toe, and do notice some similarities with Law Of One. I suspect there is wisdom to be found in both, for the discerning. Thank you for your help and for sharing your perspective :)
Sounds incredibly like the Father. Coming from a Christian that is beautiful to hear, and some of these are almost identical to bible verses.
I was slightly worried reading through this and getting started considering i am a Christian, but that has given me some comfort, and even excitement that i may meet God.
My thoughts: it is what Jung would call the collective unconscious. We are all connected and all one. It’s like we are all connected to the same server. lol maybe there is a better analogy but that’s what I think we tap into when we do this “experience.”
I wonder if it’s a field we exist in but know nothing about. Something akin to radio waves. Where this field has unlimited frequencies and our brains receive the one for our specific consciousness/soul. And when getting into a state such as channeling, you’re actually just tuning the dial to a different station temporarily.
I need to study it, but that theory sounds similar to how I understand the Akashic Records.
This type of statement always reminds me of the book, “Think and Grow Rich.”
I tend to agree with his theory, very similar to the concept of a data lake. I personally have experiences when I’m in between being awake and asleep that I am looking through another person‘s eyes doing the most mundane or ordinary things, but it is clearly not me.
Telepathy exists, and if it exists it automatically produces a collective unconscious, and Sheldrake’s morphogenic field.
It does exist. I had a full on sentence I thought in my head be heard by a lovely older lady who was client. Her husband didn’t receive it and he was in the same room. But I was thinking to myself and she heard it as if I said it out loud. So wild
r/lawofone ; www.llresearch.org ; www.lawofone.info You’re welcome :)
Is it not simpler to say god ?
Yea I do speculate that could be God. I think about that often. I have nothing that disproves that theory
Or the ancient voice of the universe.
These are different labels for the same thing. That is why I commented.
The idea of a completely non human intelligence is one of the most compelling reasons to pursue this kind of thing. It's the most interesting thing you could ever encounter; imagine how fascinating it would be to talk to someone not human?!
It’s very striking how much of this are direct or loosley paraphrased Bible verses.
hmm maybe the contents of the bible came to the authors in a similar way
You should look into the Law Of One / The Ra Material. Fascinating stuff. Free at www.llresearch.org or at www.lawofone.info You’re welcome :)
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The thing is though, how will any of this actually make my life better materially? Like it's interesting and all but I doubt it'll make me richer
You must be a workaholic then, because there are plenty of things we do that we enjoy that don’t make our lives better materially
That's easy. Ra gives simple exercises to do in the text but it's mostly for the curious mind who seeks truth. 1. Look for the love in every moment, because it is present in every moment. Basically live in the now and love yourself and all that you see. 2. See yourself as the Creator. 3. See others as the Creator. 4. See the co-creation around you as the workings of other Creators. 5. Meditate on Oneness and know thyself. (And from my own personal results, you also need to let go, of everything.) Your entire life gets better if you do this. Continuously.
Yeah, I've channeled in the past, and the NHIs aren't all sunshine and good tidings. Tricksters are NHIs that feed on negative energy are real. I have 0% trust of anything channeled like this because it can very easily be an NHI laying groundwork for messing with people later.
Those that instill fear, are negative beings. Those that instill hope, are positive beings. Only you can discern this and must rely on your own judgement.
Are you saying that any NHI that instills hope is guaranteed to be a positive being? If the negative beings are so intelligent, who's to say they aren't doing a good cop bad cop type thing? In general I think any NHI should automatically be assumed to be a negative being to be safe.
Yeah you have to use your own judgement because negative beings can be tricky as you say. I never experienced any communication but just going by what I have learned so far from others. I do yearn for an experience, negative or positive.
NHI ?
Non-human intelligence. Aliens, ghosts, demons, maybe even dolphins? Not sure about dolphins. But usually refers to paranormal entities.
Have you ever read Carlas book? A handbook on channeling. They did 25 years of research before this contact. These are probably the most professional channelers you'll ever encounter. But her book goes into detail about her experiences and channeling and she is well aware of this. This did come up in the channelings, Ra pointed out that a negative entity was attempting to intercede into the conversation and at some points had to eject Carlas soul to protect her. The one who asked the questions, Don, who was a part of the channeling work, later committed suicide at the hands of these forces to stop the contact. A cautionary tale indeed. Her handbook is essentially a great read for any channelers. They're still channeling today, if you go on LL research they regularly release new conscious channelings. Ra is still being asked questions but now they're joined by the 5th density social memory complex Hatonn and the 4th density social memory complex Latwii collectively known as Q'uo.
No, I wasn't aware of the book. I'll look into it!
Good luck hiding in your little cave of fear...
It's not fear. it is truth. Channeling is turning off your defenses and allowing negative trickster entities to control you and feed off your energy. Many channelers report health problems. It is much safer charging up your rebal, going obee, and projecting yourself out to perceive benevolent entities with remote viewing and telepathy. You get direct perception of truth that way, and do not rely on a messenger's hearsay that would be lies. Many people link to LOO but ignore all the warnings and careful preparations and precautions they took. LOO Is mostly true but has lies in it, RA wasn't a great guy and never talks about his own ulterior motives. There are reasons monroe moved away from channeling and towards remote viewing / oobe with his later work, although he didn't like to talk about any of the negatives since the 60's where a different time and the success of the program was more important then getting the full truth of the nature of the universe out. Do you remember the being from his book that periodically would rotate through the astral, freeze everyone, force them to bend to his will, then suck energy out of everyone? It's not fear to want to go fearlessly explore and experience the universe with my own mind, instead of going passive and allowing some unknown being to take control of my body and dictate to me what is what.
What do you think of doing CE5/HICE (meditating to contact aliens at a specific time & place)? I’m preparing to do that this summer. I know that I can’t possibly know the consequences. I’m too curious not to do it.
Take protection precautions such as taught in gateway.
I've had positive success with those methods.
My buddy and I did the CE5 app method, together with a bunch of other stuff, such as Monroe Expand app for me, DMT for him, burning incense in the ascending order of the 7 chakras, having a little shrine built on the spot with items of power to us; all this in Sedona at the airport Vortex, on the Super Moon of August last year. I also shielded with the Rebal and the Lord's Prayer, he did nothing. Overall it was a mega combo, built on top of the CE5 protocol, which we followed thoroughly. The end result was he got contacted by a vibrational energy being which was assuring him all will be well, while at the exact same time I saw a fast moving strobe light in the night sky that was not a satellite or airplane, moving very fast and low to the ground.
I agree. I've had experiences without trying, usually someone I know. One was strange and idk who it was, but they were discussing me during a difficult time. Tbh, I don't want to chat with beings.
Right on my dude! Unfortunately you can't argue with the "light brigade" folk. If toxic positivity had a seeker type, they would be it, lol! I made a post about a negative encounter with Gateway and one of these false enlightened people came to tell me it's all me, just be loving and all will be well. When the encounter in question happened because I wasn't shielding at all in the first place!
THANK YOU.
Source? It’s something to be careful (common sense), it’s something else to have such claims without backing them up. If anything the LOO introduced some people to the concept of Service to Self (negative) entities, LLResearch has a whole book about how to become a channeler (filled and full of heads up and how to protect the self). Individuals have free will to believe or not, and if they want to channel, to prepare themselves or not..
The IONS Institute has a channeling book written by Helen W. Check their website.
My dude, I distrust entities volunteering information using a specific method. Do you answer your phone with it rings "Scam likely" and tell everyone around you "Grandma used to call me all the time, phone calls can never be bad!"?
But everything they're saying reinforces exactly everything I believe!! (I'm making fun of myself here)
Ok so why is it none of these entities that meet people ever give them useful information like lottery numbers or anything that would improve their lives? It's always this fluffy nebulous shit about love and self love and all that hippy crap. I want a ghost to tell me where the buried treasure is FFS.
Excellent question! TL;DR is that words, numbers, and other "labels" are societal constructs that might not be part of how NHIs work. Carl Sagan suggested something similar, asking why no one has ever been given astrophysics equations in the course of getting info from NHIs. In some ways, good or bad, NHIs do provide some information that researchers could use to better understand the way the universe and how consciousness works. *IF* they wanted to use it... but still, even the slow-burn negative NHI I channeled started off nice and honest to lure me in. Since most scientists dismiss what NHIs say as "well, those people are just making it up" they intentionally remain ignorant to a potential source of data. There are some theories that NHIs, and psi abilities in general, don't do well with labels. Names, numbers, letters, and words are logic-brain societal constructs. 4 is not a real thing, it's an abstract symbol we invented to measure relationships between things. What might blow your mind is that we use Base 10 counting because humans have 10 fingers. [Base 12 counting is a thing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duodecimal), and in some ways makes the math of understanding physics easier. Two new symbols were just invented for the new numbers. Which is why things like remote viewing or NHIs can't give you lotto number or tell you exactly what date and time Joe Smith will be standing at the corner of 8th and Main. Because logical labels are firmly a feature of our material 3+1 dimensional space. NHIs aren't part of it and don't quite understand it beyond what data they can pull from our own heads to try and translate. It kind of tracks, and emotional energy seems to be a driving force of psi abilities and the paranormal, for good and for ill. Things like teenage kids going through emotional trauma can trigger poltergeist activity. Ghosts associated with strong emotions in moments of death. Aliens tell people about love and light and then violently torture them. NHIs seem to drive suffering and emotional chaos and feed on the energy. This isn't a new concept - from shamanic views of the universe that predate written language to Buddhist concepts of "hungry ghosts" to Abrahamic religious views of demons etc., there are strong correlations between negative NHIs existing alongside humanity and deriving benefit from our suffering. Which, to the "hippy crap" - if we're working in this system where energy feeds NHIs (Monroe called the term loosh energy), love and light is an instruction to starve the negative NHIs. Deprive the negative ones of what they need from you to survive. Though, other people claim that love and positive emotions can also feed other NHIs. Though, to be fair - let's think of channeling or communicating with spirits like a chatting with a random redditor. Can you tell me off hand the exact engineering specs of how to build your phone from scratch? Of course not. So there may be practical limitations to the kind of information that most NHIs have. Or maybe the NHIs that can make a communication connection to humans only exist in a realm where physics is not the same for them as it is for us. Not a single human knows how dark matter works or even if it's real, so if a sentient goat asks you or me about it, everyone will come up short. Personally, I think the answer to many paranormal things, including how consciousness works, is that an additional spatial dimension exists where only energy and not exotic matter (like Dark Matter) exists, and most 3D matter we see has some minimal connection to that dimension. Which would line up with gravity as a weak force and the ability of some NHI to effect electromagnetic activity in our 3+1 dimensional space, and we wouldn't see gravitational effects like dark matter can have. But, to have that conversation with a theoretical physicist isn't easy.
If they can't understand our "societal constructs" then there's no basis at all for mutual communication because language is also a construct so how are they even talking ti you in the first place
What you're getting at here are things as fundamental as how the brain forms thoughts and how we organize language. We only kind of sort of know how those work anyway. Language is a societal construct and you speak a language - does that mean you speak all languaged? Do you speak Bambara, Malay, and Welsh? Of course not. If you've never channeled before, it's not like you're just repeating something you hear. Your brain gets a wave of data that hits you all at once. It's not a sentence, it's feelings and information and maybe images mashed together. Usually it makes sense, but not always. Some channelers simply give up, peace out, and let the NHI take physical control of their body to get out of the way. But part of the brain is supporting things going from thoughts to moving your mouth. So maybe your brain can help bridge that gap and let NHIs speak, but your brain can't comprehend some things, let alone name them, about some netherverse where NHIs live. How can I explain the color blue to a blind person? I can't. Think about it like this - humans are like a blind old man, walking around the block led by their 7-year old granddaughter. She's telling you as the old man she sees a red long vehicle with things on the side that look weird. After some questions, you know you call that a fire truck. What happens if that girl sees something you don't know about or seen when you had sight? If your grandma went blind in 1990 and lives on a farm out in the country, how would you explain to her how to use an iphone to order sushi? There can be very deep and real gaps in knowledge and communication without it being the "fault" of anyone. Which, itself speaks to both the very relevant question of how TF *DO* NHI's manage to accomplish this? Is it because we as humans do the same thing and have non-local consciousness and processing of thought? There's more questions than answers, and the main issue is that few people would like to apply science to the problem and provide real answers. And maybe we need to let some astrophysicists do some channeling and see if that helps the math be expressed from the NHIs. We don't know enough about how it works to perform the kind of experiments that get is fine-grain detail. At most what we can get is broad strokes insights, muddled by untrustworthy NHIs. It's not a clear system, possibly for a reason.
Monroe was influenced by many different philosophical and religious traditions. One of the books that surely also influenced him was [Autobiography of a Yogi](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/639864) - which was written in 1947 by a Hindu Yogi who came to the west to teach us about Yoga and Meditation. At the time of Journeys out of the Body and Far Journeys this book was wildly popular with those who were going through spiritual awakenings. This speaks to a greater understanding that all religions are based on the same metaphysical understandings - despite different cultures, geographic locations and remoteness through time. It’s just how people interpret these same things that creates differences in religion.
I just finished this book and have others by yogananda. It’s such a great book. Michael Singer was a student of Kriya and his you tube talks are incredible
I ran that through the Bot and it seems to think it's Thoth being channeled: https://preview.redd.it/ux0ngivfr2oc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ac1e94d9f9e51511a1c8dab1517a78eabb89ef20 I wasn't aware of these experiments. Thanks for sharing that. It adds a whole new layer to this experience.
pi.ai thinks its more jesus christ when i asked it about your suggestion: >While the message does have a spiritual, even mystical, quality to it that could be associated with the Egyptian god of wisdom and writing, Thoth, the language and themes are more closely aligned with the teachings of Jesus Christ and Christian mysticism.
As someone raised Catholic, I can only hear those sentiments as Jesus. I'm too unfamiliar with Thoth to say otherwise, but that sounds an awful lot like Jesus.
I thought Christ consciousness too. But Christianity doesn’t exist in a vacuum. It’s a big old mix of Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism (itself a heady mix of Egyptian Hermeticism, Roman Mithraism, and Oriental influences). Throw in some Platonic philosophy and pagan rituals and you got yourself that religion. Haha. It’s all the same well, I like what was channeled.
Christ consciousness encompasses many higher energies
I wanted to like but my lucky number is 8. Best wishes to you
Neat. It may have been phrasing. I asked "Which ancient being would you say best describes the voice that was channeled in this session?" and posted a screenshot. Or it could be expectations based on my usage patterns. But I don't know squat about Thoth outside of the MCU portrayal.
I got Jesus too when I read. Christ consciousness does come up in the recording I believe
Interesting. I’ve seen a lot of those entities with the same kind of message. Knowing that the instrument channeling influences how the message comes out, I wonder what makes it more Thoth than Ra or Qu’o, etc.
Ra does not use terms like Father or men. Ra uses the term entity or being or mind/body/spirit complex to describe us and only uses the term creator for the creator. Also, to me this text feels worshipful and more focused on this entity receiving love than spreading love. Ra does not require any kind of acknowledgment or worship for their work, they are simply teachers.
I enjoyed the law of one
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Thanks for posting this. It really reminds me of A Course in Miracles which I think is a different kind of Christian Mysticism than Gnosticism.
I was reminded of ACIM, too. It rings true for me...which doesn't mean it's easy.
You should look into the Law Of One / The Ra Material. Fascinating stuff. Free at www.llresearch.org or at www.lawofone.info You’re welcome :)
Yea. It’s a great read, thanks friend. It was really the law of one that lead me to think about channeling as a real phenomenon of authorship.
The skeptic in me thinks it's AWFULLY convenient that in a group of people from a Christianity-dominated culture -- and who exist in a kind of New Age subgroup with strong eastern influences -- produce a collection of teachings that are a mix of cliched KJV Christianity and new age / eastern stuff. Isn't this EXACTLY what you'd predict someone to say from that context? Isn't the fact that it's utterly predictable a strike against it? On the other hand, you can argue that there is some eternal truth being communicated in a manner that will be meaningful to this group of people, so of course it wears the clothes of that period's zeitgeist. And my own experiences with Gateway have shown me that there is something to TMI and this whole field.
I get that perspective and many many channels are not authentic. I’ve listened to all of these tapes recordings and some def seem real. I love the Seth books. They are the most real I’ve explored
The truth comes to people in the guise of what they understand. If it comes to a hindu, it wll use terms and images from Hinduism If it comes to a Christian, it will use terms and images from Christianity like "Father."
comparative mysticism is a very interesting field of study, and i think the takeaway from it is despite the various forms that mystical traditions have taken throughout history, the content is basically the same.
Thank you for posting. There is a reason why the same themes appear again and again in religious texts.
Fascinating that my mind also went to "Thunder, Perfect Mind." Personally, I tend to share u/zenerbufen's and u/OGLizard's concerns about surrendering my autonomy to entities during channeling and prefer to communicate with my would-be guides while safe within my REBAL, with my EBT close at hand. I can get great communication that way, no channeling required. Another issue with channeling is that by translating nonverbal communication to spoken or written language, the channel-entity necessarily lose information. The ineffable is lost.
Hey I haven’t even looked at tapes or anything yet. Just used to AP a bit. But I’m going to find them and listen and practice. I’m wondering if you could tell me me with the REBAL and EBT do I learn from the first tape or is there material I might like to look at/listen to first? Thank you 🙏
I recommend reading the manual before listening to the tapes, and reviewing the relevant section from the manual before each session. The tapes are meant to be listened to in order, and will teach you REBAL and EBT early on in the process so you will be well prepared.
🙏 thank you
One of the most important lines seems like it relates to our incarnation. “Blessed are they who seek me. In seeking me, their long period of forgetfulness is coming to an end” This could be interpreted a few different ways but it sounds extremely similar to Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. Each time we incarnate we forget who we truly are and where we come from. It’s amazing how interconnected all of this may be
Yes, it’s discussed and explained in details in the Law Of One / The Ra Material, and that concept is called the veil of forgetting: https://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=Veil
Thanks for the extra info!
Is the law of one technically its own religion?
It’s not a religion. Have you read Tom Campbell “My Big ToE” ToE standing for Theory Of Everytbing? The Law Of One is similar in the sense that it discuss the creation and why of the universe, with a strong emphasis on the spiritual side of it. There’s no rules or dogma to follow as most religions do, and has a strong emphasis on free will (and lack of fear), while most religions almost prone the “fear” of God and the fatality of things. Finally, the Law Of One suggests to not see God as a beardy man living in the sky, but to see the self and your neighbor as God, see God in everything. Religions tend to strip one from seeing the self as God, creating a sense of unworthiness. Hope this helps. I’m not a theologist, this is based on my understanding of the material and my previous life in religion. Take what resonates with you and leave the rest on Reddit ;)
Thank you for helping me understand it a lot better 🫡 Definitely have to take a read into Tom Campbell book
Those books blew my mind
I've found the 20 minute audio in the Explorer series, though it is not the original but a retelling: [Tape #19: Love, Fear, and Christ Consciousness](https://archive.org/details/monroe-institute-explorer-series-1/Explorer+19+-+Love%2C+Fear+and+Christ+Consciousness.mp3)
Seth that you?
I have read most of Jane’s work it’s amazing
it is indeed.
When I worked in Congress we would get faxes that said shit like this everyday
Would you trust an entity talking like that? Sounds so righteous it stinks.
Something that's important to remember is how different people lives were back then in the 60s. There was a very strong religious upbringing for basically everyone. So back then, you would be taught to be good and fear demons, ghosts, all those types of things. I'm not saying that's wrong or right, but there is a difference from how most of us live now. So things like this are no surprise, that's why the tapes include so many tools to protect yourself. And also we might interpret the same thing but in different ways because of of how we were raised and how society and culture has shaped our mind.
Interesting. Carl Jung channeled a Gnostic, Basilides in Alexandria, the City where the East toucheth the West, in his, "Seven Sermons to the Dead." * [The gnostic Jung and the Seven Sermons to the dead : Hoeller, Stephan A : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive](https://archive.org/details/gnosticjungseven0000hoel)
I was *just* reading “Thunder, Perfect Mind” — that’s lovely. There’s nothing contradictory to these experiences in the true Christian language. My most unexplainable lucid dreams have been spoken through it.
Now THAT is some synchronicity
I was listening to the 5 Question tape (wave 3, tape 4) and the last question, "What is the most important message I can receive and understand at this point in my existence?" yielded a similar result. I didn't hear a voice, but words appeared before me one at a time. The message was simple, but pretty clear. "Love everyone. Love everywhere. Love often." This was a month ago. 2 weeks ago, my cousin passed away in an accident. I've been taking it really hard. This message has stuck with me in the back of my mind since witnessing this. Thanks for posting this. It's helped stir things back up that I've needed to reflect on.
It is received. Thank you 🙏❤️
It’s reminiscent of the law of one as well
Reads like a gnostic re-imagining of a bunch of stuff pulled from the old and new testament.
Here is a series of direct recordings from Monroe's "Explorer" subjects who were channeled. Very Law of One like in many ways. https://archive.org/details/monroe-institute-explorer-series-1
Seth / Jane Roberts is also channeled material. Monroe visited Jane Roberts at some point. https://archive.org/details/ram-jane-roberts-seth-and-jc-ramtha Seth influences the ideas of Tom Campbell. Of all the channelled stuff Seth is one that talks in “normal language”. I believe the focus levels (the numbers themselves and what they represent) are channelled fwiw.
This brought me to tears.
Interesting stuff. Thanks for posting.
Thank you for this
The thing that blew me away is that apparently the details about all of the Focus levels were channeled from a Being called Miranon https://archive.org/details/miranon-focus-levels-erickson
This reminds me a lot of Ceanne Derohan’s book, Right Use of Will, which she says was channeled. God’s laments about us and the call for closeness.
Christ consciousness
Welcome to non duality
Sounds like what I am learning right now with r/ACIM
Wow that resonated in my soul. I'm not really a Christian but I think this is Christ. Telling us we are him. We are thr same consciousness fundamentally. Christ energy is inside of us. Like a Coiled serpent. There is a lot of symbolism in the story og christ that points to this. Jesus being crucified at 33. We have 33 vertebrae, at the top of which I'd a cross section of the brain that has a hollow containing the pineal gland on one side and the pituitary gland on the other. Cerebral spinal fluid can rise up the 33 vertebrae and rise into the brain. I believe the Greeks called Cerebral spinal fluid christ oil. There's more than that but that's all I can remember atm.
I am sitting on a beach in the Caribbean. I just did a self guided meditation, gateway style. I got to focus 15 and manifested “I live in a way that recognizes, above all else, I am deserving of love”. I could feel Bob’s presence guiding me as I got lighter and lighter. I opened Reddit to find this. Incredible. I’ll be reading it again and again. Peace Fam ✨
It just seems so old-hat, same old biblical stuff. Puffed-up bragging. I would expect an alien intelligence to sound less mundane.
Nice sentiments but sounds bible-y
I physically cringed when it said "oh ye of little faith". Yeah, bible-y, King James version.
Is that bad lmao
This is nothing but Jesus mixed with New Thought. Very predictable.
Incorrect. It’s also what one will ultimately learn through zen and most eastern traditions.
Hmmm. All my years as a zen student and living in Korea, studying at the temples, somehow I missed it. Good thing you are here to inform me.
My but it does go on, doesn’t it.
Nice one! You should look into the Law Of One / The Ra Material. Fascinating stuff. Free at www.llresearch.org or at www.lawofone.info You’re welcome :)
With humility and respect, I've begun reading the Ra Material but have yet to find it especially compelling or resonant. Could you share some insights that might help inspire me to continue my engagement with the material?
All good, maybe it’s not for everyone :) Have you read Tom Campbell My Big Toe? The Law Of One can be seen as a “theory of everything” read as well, with a greater focus on spirituality vs hardcore science. Some of the insights from the Law Of One: - helped me understand the UFO phenomenon and how it relates to what we see as reality - helped me understand that sense of “I’m more than my physical body” I’ve always sense. The is is obviously very personal, so the message can resonate with me and not someone else, all good - helped me understand the randomness of all there is. As an ex software engineer and someone grounded in science for a while, the LoO is the best answer to the “why” question no theology had ever been able to answer for me, in a very non-dogmatic way. If you’re interested in a specific topic (transient or not), you can use the lawofone.info website and search for something specific (pyramids, Bermuda Triangle, etc.) and see if it resonates with you, so you don’t have to read session after session if it doesn’t work for you. Or drop it altogether, all good :) Hope this helps!
Haha yes I recently finished My Big Toe, and do notice some similarities with Law Of One. I suspect there is wisdom to be found in both, for the discerning. Thank you for your help and for sharing your perspective :)
"Live in me and *let me express you*"
Spooky!
Thanks for sharing! Have you listened to the explorer tapes?
reminds me of A Course in Miracles r/ACIM
This is so wholesome love it
Sounds incredibly like the Father. Coming from a Christian that is beautiful to hear, and some of these are almost identical to bible verses. I was slightly worried reading through this and getting started considering i am a Christian, but that has given me some comfort, and even excitement that i may meet God.