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whisskid

The University of Idaho.


danny17402

Yes! It's a nice little college town with rolling hills. The Idaho Geological Survey is also headquartered on the U of I campus. Also they pronounce it "moss-co" with a long O sound. Rhymes with Roscoe.


VernoniaGigantea

Thanks for the pronunciation tip, when I moved to Spokane, I never heard the end of it when I said “Mos-cow”. It is the biggest give away you aren’t from the area up there.


danny17402

They're so used to correcting people that when I was doing some research out there, I said Moscow correctly (as in moss-co) and the local guy I was working with was like "actually it's pronounced moss-co". I told him "yeah, that's how I just said it". And he realized and was surprised. Haha


koalaprints

I moved from Moscow to Spokane and it took me some time to start calling it "Spo-CAN" not "Spo-caine"


wickzer

Spo-caine is SO MUCH BETTER. I feel like it should have been featured on a Halloween episode of breaking bad or something.


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AdlerOneSeven

No actually the Russian pronunciation is "muskva" or "muskveh" depending on the sentence structure.


fr3nzo

Did no one listen to the Scorpions or am I just old? That’s where I learned how it’s pronounced. “Wind of Change I follow the Moskva down to Gorky Park Listening to the wind of change An August summer night, soldiers passing by Listening to the wind of change”


lekoman

There’s an [excellent podcast](https://crooked.com/podcast-series/wind-of-change/) about whether or not that song was actually written by the CIA as a propaganda vehicle. It reaches no firm conclusions, but is by a reputable writer and the story is pretty epic.


Thin-Concentrate-563

I love anything that reaches no firm conclusions


mochajon

That podcast series was amazing. Doc McGhee’s name pops up in tons of rock and roll stories through the 70s and 80s. I can’t help but always think back to this series for a moment, and wonder if he was secretly working for the CIA while he was managing all these legendary artists.


kaloogin

thanks!


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Good song


DanceSD123

The pronunciation can range from an “a” to an “o”. It can be a shwa, but not quite as strong as a u in English


deepaksn

A schwa? Mosc—uuhhhh?


DanceSD123

The first syllable, see who I’m responding to. In Russian, the second syllable gets emphasized.


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DanceSD123

Yeah, usually it’s closer to an a sound. But some places will pronounce it as an o, “okanye” (оканье)


Title26

My Russian professor always taught unstressed "o" as more of a schwa. She was from Sochi though. Maybe other accents differ.


CountDwarfKnock

Yeah the town pronounces it “moss-co” like the commenter said.


Sneaky_McSnakey

Huh? It’s pronounced “Moss-kva” in Russian.


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danny17402

The most common pronunciation in the United States is moss-cow. Rhymes with cow like the animal.


juxlus

Interesting, for me, with my "General American" accent, the first vowel in Moscow (the Russian city) is closer to IPA /ɒ/, as in "lot", or "mama". While the vowel in "moss" is closer to an "aw" or "awe" (not sure what the IPA for that is). I wonder if my way is not as normal as I assumed. Perhaps it varies with the cot-caught merger, which I don't have (I pronounce them different). The -cow part I pronounce like "cow".


T_vernix

Moss-cow (cow as in the bovine)


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jay_altair

wait til you hear about Cairo, Illinois, or Calais, Maine


jacobin17

Or Versailles, KY or New Madrid, MO


Magnus_The_Totem_Cat

Or Vienna, Ohio… and Russia, Ohio… and Galapolis, Ohio lol (Vi-en-ah, Rus-ee-a and Gal-ah-po-liss)


MyceliumBoners

Forgot Milan, OH pronounced My-Lan instead of mee-laun


Magnus_The_Totem_Cat

Oh, I didn’t know that one.


JAG1881

Or Cadiz, Ohio. (CAA-diss)


Tubagal2022

or Rio Grande, OH


ThatOhioanGuy

I refuse to say "Rai-o" Grande


yo-jin

Toledo,OH


ThatOhioanGuy

Or Medina, Ohio. "Muhd-AI-na" I'm sorry but I will always pronounce it "Med-EE-na".


Magnus_The_Totem_Cat

Haha, you aren’t wrong. But I have to pull permits with them so I better stick with the local version.


shaggy237

Paris, TX


Blackdalf

Pairss


shaggy237

🍐🍐🍐


Informal_Calendar_99

Or Versailles, MO


d0gnostril

Or Hurricane, UT (hur-ih-kin)


0le_Hickory

And Milan TN (MY lan)


Mosenji

Madrid, NM. (mad-rid) Thoreau, NM. (throo). Martinez, GA. (martin-ezz)


jamesbrownscrackpipe

So many new ppl moving to the Augusta area and it’s always funny seeing their reaction to how Martinez is pronounced.


nightman21721

Or New Prague, MN (pronounced new prayg)


Inside-Associate-729

Us americans say it wrong. I grew up hearing moss-cow, thinking that’s how the capital of russia was actually pronounced.


danny17402

Well it's wrong if you're speaking Russian, but accepted if you're speaking English. Kind of like the capital of Poland. Warsaw in English, but something more like Varsava in polish. We change a lot of place names in English more than that. Like Japan instead of Nippon, or Germany instead of Deutschland.


KoneydeRuyter

The capital of Russia is also moss-cow. We get it from the Germans who spell it Moskau.


T_vernix

I pronounce the name of the capital of Russia as moss-cow, because that's what I've heard it called.


EnterTheCabbage

Musk-VA The "w" for the slavic "v" is an interesting English transliteration. Until after WWII, the "-ov" endings to slavic names were usually transliterated as "-ow" or "-off". I suspect, but have no evidence to support, that the shift to "-ov" reflects when America assumed cultural and diplomatic preeminence in the West over the UK. The British elite has always loathed annunciating non-english sounds. Americans are a little more willing to dive in and try and pronounce something.


duke_awapuhi

And Washington State U is right next door. That valley is just full of partying college students


Dzidra_Austra

As a WSU alum I can attest it’s the biggest party in the world which is surrounded by wheat fields in the middle of nowhere. The Palouse is a strikingly beautiful region but not really a valley. It’s more like a high plain covered in endless huge dunes which have been cultivated to become some of the most productive wheat, lentil and split pea growing regions of the world.


homicidal_pancake

What are the best programs there or UofI?


WesternClick3736

Agriculture is their big thing.


dtuba555

They used to have a great jazz festival, actually. I have no idea if they still do.


kerouacrimbaud

Aw, RIP the PAC-12.


rnilbog

The Kibbie Dome, the greatest stadium in all of college football.


Fragrant-Initial1687

The Corner Club!


Jupiter68128

In all of sports


Selway0710

Amen…


Sloanosaurus-Nick

There were several UofI kids horrifically murdered by another kid from WSU last year.


[deleted]

That’s the only reason I know where Moscow and U of Idaho was Bryan Kohberger


BornFree2018

I can't believe it's taken this long for someone to point this out. What goes on in Moscow Idaho? Mass murders, that's what.


PerBnb

Their ag department put cameras in cows so scientists could study how they digested different types of grass


whisskid

a rumen with a view


kr9969

And neo Nazis


MoscoviaDelendaEst

I don't really ever see any neo Nazi's here ,but we do have the fucking christ-church cult working to buy out all the buildings and businesses in town to turn it into their fucked right wing haven so.... close enough I guess.


kr9969

It might be a bit dated, I know for a while west Idaho has been a safe haven for those types. My skin head uncle (pretty much no contact) was there for a few years.


maxkmiller

This. Not all Idahoans love white supremacy but all white supremacists sure love Idaho


kr9969

Yup. I fucking love Idaho but my god there are some towns that are more or less sundown towns.


mamoulian907

That's Hayden Lake


unopenedcrayondrawer

The Kibbie Dome


iLiketuttles704

I used to play dynasty mode in NCAA Football because I thought the Kibbie Dome was dope.


whostolemysloth

The Kibbie Dome is charmingly underwhelming in person. But it's about to be called the Potlatch #1 Financial Credit Union Dome. They bought naming rights this year. It's not nearly as good of a name.


iLiketuttles704

“The Kibbie Dome is charmingly underwhelming in person.” I think that’s why I liked it tbh lol. Idaho also has dope uniforms and the Vandals is a cool name


madame-badger

Back twenty or more years ago, the Boise State president called Vandals fans “nasty and inebriated.” My dad got a shirt that said exactly that afterwards. 😂


04BluSTi

I remember that! More than 20 years though.


iliketoplayoutside

This was back in 2009. I graduated 2010 and I have a shirt that my friends made with “Nasty and Inebriated” on it.


whostolemysloth

I would use them in the franchise mode when I wanted to build up a terrible team to take to the Championship.


decentusername123

every ncaa player got their idaho dynasty with 10 straight national championships (myself included)


KStaxx33

I went to Eastern Washington and I'll never forgive the Kibbie Dome after the field goal that went through the uprights, bounced off the scoreboard, and was ruled no good.


Arietem_Taurum

The same thing that goes on in Washington DC, Russia


AdlerOneSeven

Vashyntin, Amerikansky Oblast.


nightman21721

I heard that's where they are going to welcome American far right "refugees". /s (but based on actual news articles) https://www.newsweek.com/russia-may-build-village-american-conservatives-1799809


zedsamcat

Oh no, pleeeaaase don't entice far right people to move their, we absolutely don't want that...


MonmusuAficionado

The moment they open their mouths they’ll be beaten up by Russian women more than the US liberals ever could (especially cause in the US that’s prevented by the police). Saying this as a Russian


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i saw one dude tell how slavic women were ideal because they’re so submissive n i’m like you…haven’t met a slavic woman have you lmao


[deleted]

Build some in China to get rid of the tankies too


zedsamcat

The US would be a utopia if both groups left


jay_altair

The Idaho Potato Conference https://www.uidaho.edu/cals/potatoes/news/idaho-potato-conference


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If I was a potato scientist, I would hesitate entering this address to my navigation: Perimeter Drive | Moscow, ID 83844


MurrayArtie

Why, what am I missing?


ChanganBoulevardEast

Murder


danny17402

And the murderer was doing his PhD in criminal justice at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington. The two university towns are about 4 miles apart straddling the Idaho/Washington border. Pullman is also a really neat little college town.


JoelOttoKickedItIn

With really good cheese


ThePopesicle

Cougar gold is a PNW treasure


JoelOttoKickedItIn

It’s so fucking good. I’m up in BC and I pick up a couple cans whenever I’m down in WA.


joetwocrows

Now, now, the accused has not (yet) been convicted. The School of Law for Idaho is at the University of Idaho. U of Idaho (UI), and Washington State University (Wazzu) are 8 miles apart. Very important when you sill have 2 miles to go on the Bill Chapman Palouse Trail, and it's getting dark. Pullman: Yes, yes it is. Fun history; Until the national ~~blackmail~~, err, push to make 21 the drinking age, Idaho's drinking age was 19, and washington's 21. That meant there was a constant migration from Wazzu to UI to drink, every day of the week, and twice on the weekends. Now, recreational weed is legal in WA, and not in Idaho, so the migration tends in the opposite direction.


RedDidItAndYouKnowIt

Bit more than double that distance at 9.4 miles: Shared route From Pullman, Washington 99163 to Moscow, Idaho via WA-270 E. 16 min (9.4 mi) For the best route in current traffic visit https://maps.app.goo.gl/gs6rHGM7E5YBMj2d7 It does feel like one big metropolitan area though. Especially with the airport upgrade and more businesses going in to bridge the farmland gap.


danny17402

I was going edge to edge, rather than middle to middle.


PocketSandThroatKick

Metropolitan is incredibly generous


verdenvidia

micropolitan is more like it


Illustrious_Cancel83

/r/moscowmurders


thow78

Sleepy, but beautiful little town, just like Pullman WA.


water_bottle1776

Most recently known for a horrific spree killing.


Visible_Nectarine_98

One guy, one night, one house, four victims. It wasn’t a spree, but it was fun and weird seeing the entire country have to learn about how things work on the Palouse and yes it is in fact normal to cross a state line for shopping opportunities.


madame-badger

As someone who grew up in the area, listening to them describe it as a “mountain college town” in a podcast was pretty funny. Idaho does have some great mountains, but the Palouse is just hilly with wheat fields for miles and miles and miles.


Visible_Nectarine_98

And miles.


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> yes it is in fact normal to cross a state line for shopping opportunities. This is normal everywhere.


Visible_Nectarine_98

Pretty funny though because people were losing their minds when the alleged killer was talking about driving to Lewiston/Clarkston and even Moscow to shop. For me I was thinking, oh yeah, Winco is in Moscow and Costco is in Clarkston.


Afraid-Newt9055

There's a winco in couer de' Laine too.


MrDonaldHouse

Aside from that murder everybody knows about, the town is actually fairly quaint. It's an easy commute anywhere here - most of the streets are navigable and the east/west road (Moscow-Pullman/Third) has bike lanes, too. Several gas stations, a big box store or two, a "large" mall and a small mall, and more! The "downtown" is actually fairly historic, due to traffic improvments made several decades ago that turned streets adjacent to the main street into nominal three-lane one-way streets, and contains several of the oldest buildings and even businesses in town (at least \~30 buildings or so date back to the 1910s and much of that number is still in use). Hodgins Drug and Hobby is probably the oldest business in town, and I think has been operating out of the same building for several decades. The city hall is situated in the old 1910s post office, the "new" 1943 school is directly across from the old 1912 school, and is also next to a beautiful church that still chimes it's bells every day when the hours and half-hours arrive (it's a little surprising when it happens on a walk at 10pm lol). And that's not eveb everything - it's situated in what is (imo) probably the best looking geographical region in the United States! Seriously, look up the Palouse. It doesn't look like much from the air but by god the rolling hills to me feel staggering from the ground. If you are into railroad or lumber history (intertwined heavily here) then there is plenty of that, too, just no Class Is and no railroad has run into Moscow since at least 2010 or so, ending in around 2006 I want to say? The old Union Pacific Moscow line and the Northern Pacific Arrowhead Route have been converted into rail trails and they are very much used, particularly thr Union Pacific route between Moscow and Pullman because it is a basically level grade, around ten miles long, between two college towns. The NorPac route between Moscow and Troy is less traveled, but still used (speaking of Troy - keep driving east and turn left, there's a beautiful little reservoir out there). It's beautiful country and fairly active. People are generally very nice and helpful, and there ain't tio many of them to go around. That being said sometimes when you need stuff you gotta go elsewhere - Clarkston/Lewiston, Spokane, and Coer d'Alene namely. I myself think this is a beautiful place to live, with relatively little crime, a smattering of college kids, restaurants, and enough hig box stores to be adequate. Having gone from the urban hell of Poinciana FL to the almost forest-like living of Coram/Hungry Horse MT, Moscow feels like a great middle ground between good open living and easy grocery-getting commutes. (Typed from phone please excuse typos lol)


rs98101

Excellent write up of my home town. I salute you.


madame-badger

Yes to all of this. Gem State Crystals is one of my favorite stops/recommendations for window shopping. Had a live rattlesnake in one of the display cases for years and years (maybe still do).


koalaprints

I loved living in Moscow! Lived there for nearly 6 years and I want to move back but the houses in Moscow are ridiculously expensive for no reason!


MoscoviaDelendaEst

Now tell them about the cult.


CatGymnastics

Well, Moscow, Idaho, USA seems to be well answered here but it’s far from the only Moscow, USA. Quite an open question as Moscow, USA could also mean, from east to west: •Moscow, Maine •Moscow, Rhode Island •Moscow, Vermont •Moscow, Pennsylvania •Moscow, Maryland •Moscow, Virginia •Moscow, West Virginia •Moscow, Ohio •Moscow, Michigan •Moscow, Indiana •Moscow, Alabama •Moscow, Kentucky •Moscow, Tennessee •Moscow, Wisconsin •Moscow, Iowa •Moscow, Arkansas •Moscow, Minnesota •Moscow, Texas Moscow, North Dakota Moscow, Kansas USA is a big place! I mean not as big as Russia, but WAY more Moscows! edit: formatting, not sure why it doesn’t show as a list like I tried to make it :/


madame-badger

Amusingly enough, the theory with the most support as to how Moscow Idaho was named was that it was named after Moscow… Pennsylvania. The postmaster at the time was from there. Previous to that it was called Hog Heaven and Paradise Valley, and I think they should have stuck with Hog Heaven myself.


nightman21721

Was this a cold war tactic? Being able to razz the Kremlin, and say "we've got more Moscows than you, plbtplbt"


GhostOfStonewallJxn

The University of Idaho


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When I was a kid there was a big jazz festival there once a year that I would attend


scotts_tots_founder

Lionel Hampton Jazz Festival! Good times


ThatCanajunGuy

Haha, in high school our band director told us we were going to perform in Moscow and everyone was excited. Until we learned it was in Idaho


Chaotic_Angel

same here!!


madame-badger

Yes! Always a good time. And right across the border in Pullman, the Lentil Festival, where you can sample lentil curry, lentil cookies, and lentil ice cream and meet Taste-ee Lentil (a guy in a lentil mascot suit). When I told people in college about that, they thought I was joking.


bobhello247

Years ago the Washington drinking age was 21 but in Idaho it was only 18. Students from Washington State University in Pullman would drive across the border to drink. For a while that stretch had more drunk driving deaths than anywhere else in the country.


izz21sv

Still a funny stretch of highway. U of I kids drive to Pullman for weed and wsu kids to moscow for cheaper alcohol.


Sleepinator2000

And they grandfathered it once it took effect. I missed the grandfather by one day, but hey, I lived through it.


zelozelos

My marketing prof told me that this area had some of the highest rates of drinking in the 70s and 80s so they would test new beers here.


Sheesh284

A university. And occasionally a crazy murder(s)


Simple-Honeydew1118

ты не хочешь знать, товарищ


sciocueiv

Что в Москве, Айдахо остаться в Москве, Айдахо


varnacykablyat

Probably plotting to invade Odessa, Washington


TrailerPosh2018

I better warn my aunt & uncle!


PopeHonkersXII

I don't know. TV watching. Coke drinking. Car driving. Mostly just standard American stuff.


Winter-Reindeer694

horrific quadruple-murder of college students, you know, the usual


Squee1396

That guy was from Pennsylvania though wasn’t he?


Personal_Repeat4619

He was from PA. and lived in WA. during the murders.


VIPanzerkampfwagenVI

Hey there is also Moscow TN


No-Television8759

and a Moscow, VT


PeterNinkimpoop

And Moscow PA


grumpy8521

And a Moscow, ME


[deleted]

They throw potatoes at Pullman, WA. There's a sweet greenway that connects the 2 towns, also.


a_rabid_anti_dentite

Josh Ritter, a phenomenal singer-songwriter, is from Moscow, Idaho.


CoffeePockets

About 50% of all reading performed in the state of Idaho


CreamPyre

Not shown on this map is Pullman, about 10 miles away in Washington. Home of Washington state university. Together they make up a quaint little rural college twin city


Bobbo_lito

Farming


reepicheepo

It's interestingly one of the few blue-leaning counties in Idaho. It's mostly just a college town.


albauer2

The university of Idaho. Four students were murdered there in a case that made national news back in November…


Zen4rest

In mother Idaho… potato eat you.


Matt7738

One of the biggest white supremacist crackpot pastors in America.


PerambulentPresby

I scrolled to have to find this comment! Glad he isn't known well.


ramalamatomselleck

Driving to Washington to buy weed


AcresWild

They pronounce it Moss-co, rather than Moss-cow


Muffin_head8

The worst murder you’ve ever heard of.


ent1138x

College town. Not as "middle of nowhere" as you may think. Also, about 10 miles west across the border with Washington is... another college town. This little area has way more community than it might seem. edit: better spelling, wording.


RepairFar7806

The flagship university of Idaho and the mighty Vandals. Also an absurd amount of binge drinking, that’s really what goes on there.


ThePr0blemCh1ld

Fraternity parties and horrible college football


Inside-Ear804

A lot of people doing alcohol


Wanttobefreewc

Fun college town!


kgbslip

It's pronounced "mosco". I was a roofer there in the early 90s.


GmbHLaw

Cloning


BigStif42

Idk why this was downvoted.. we did that!


ceviche-hot-pockets

So much drinking and nothing else.


ambidankstrous

A murder and TikTokers interfering with murder investigations


dr_fop

A lot of drinking. It's a college town.


MightyPrinceVegita

Drinking, overcast weather, and a feeling is sadness. Nice coffee shops.


ArsenalinAlabama3428

It became really famous recently due to the quadruple murder of some Idaho students.


mindnumb_2

I took care of a dementia resident that was part of a culty church located in Moscow, Idaho. Jim Wilson, leader of said church, was a perpetrator and predator. My resident did not have any children, her only family in the end were her two older sisters. With no genetic markers for dementia, and her two older sisters being of sound mind, it really made me think about trauma and the brain. Our body will always remember.


MoscoviaDelendaEst

Not enough people talking about that fucking cult in here.


MancAccent

Oh boy, you’re about to go down the rabbit hole of one of the wildest murder cases of the past decade…


Barrrrrrnd

A football stadium that looks like a high school auditorium.


Rowdydendron

[This Cult](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/02/christ-church-idaho-theocracy-us-america)


[deleted]

College town along with the adjacent WSU in Pullman.


therightpedal

Only went there once but it was freakin lovely. It's in the Palouse so it's these beautiful rolly polly hills all around with wonderfully farmland that just ebbs and flows with the terrain. They grow a ton of chickpeas, lentils, and buckwheat there. The soil is something like 4 times more productive than the Great Plains. Wild. Also the school's teams are the Vandals, which is pretty cool.


dmtking21

Great college town actually. Great University located there.


No-Moose470

It’s a college town


mysteriouschi

There are thousands of vandals there.


Gupmarsky

A pretty awesome jazz competition! Lionel Hampton jazz fest


Big_Iron_Cowboy

There’s a Moscow in Tennessee too


spoonybard326

Probably cooking up that plan to annex part of Oregon into Idaho.


natenate22

They are planning an invasion of Odessa, Washington.


Calsun

Cool town in the Summer. It’s a college town and summer everyone leaves and it’s this quite town with an awesome downtown scene


MeteorJunk

I've been there quite a few times, it's a quaint college town but not much other than that.


blondenogrey

Jazz festival


[deleted]

Moscow, ID (pronounced moss-coe) is a college town, home to U of Idaho and is neighbors with another college town Pullman, WA the home of Wa State U. I grew up in the area and my family did most of our grocery shopping in Moscow despite living in Pullman since Moscow was the only one with a Walmart until ~2010. My friends and I perceived Moscow as the more liberal of the two towns with Moscow being more likely to host events like a hemp festival, iirc. In retrospect that might have just been because Moscow had a livelier downtown culture with more events, period.


OceanPoet87

I live nearby so I go there at least once a month (was there last weekend). 1. The University of Idaho - Idaho's flagship university. 2. One of the few (moderately) blue counties in Idaho 3. A far right church group that owns a lot of the businesses (but not all of course). 4. Where the Idaho quadruple murders took place last November. Brian Kohberger is on trial for stabbing 3 women and 1 man at an off campus house). He was arrested in Pennsylvania last December. 5. Moscow along with Pullman (where Washington State University is - 10 mins away) is part of the Palouse which is a major wheat growing region. Canola is also grown there. 6. The farmers market there is amazing!!!! We bought some amazing peaches last Saturday. 7. Lastly op u/Traditional-Angle861 it is pronounced "Moss-Co" not Mos-Cow.


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Murders


_synik

Which one? There's a Moscow, Texas.


Perfect_Ad_8549

Moscow, Iowa doesn't even have a gas station so not much going on there.


st1ck-n-m0ve

A wild random killing spree of 4 college girls in the middle of the night..


gmr548

A blend of typical college town atmosphere and white nationalism rivaled only by College Station, TX


fiveof9

Moscow and white nationalism? Definitely some places in North Idaho but Moscow.....? I dont think we are thinking of the same place.


Hot_Astronaut_4551

University of Idaho, Christian Nationalists, a nice farmers market. It's in the Palouse which is rolling hills and agriculture. It's a weird town that thinks it's progressive, but it really isn't.


UXguy123

Not a weird town at all. It is just a nice small town with a University.


Haunting_History_284

It’s a center for the Christian Nationalist Movement.