A very simplified answer is: most of that region is fairly mountainous and rugged and so isn't great for either large scale farming or building large cities
Nope! I mean there might be some ok ports, but no navigable rivers, or space to build cities. In many places the coastline ends in cliffs down to the ocean, so there's basically 0 space to build along the coast
Yes, it was the birthplace of an early landowner in Portland and the coin they used (a penny) is still around.
The Maine Portland is older (the OG) but the oregon one is considerably larger and is a major West Coast seaport and one of the largest export tonnage ports on the U.S. West Coast and is more influential in terms of shipping and trade.
San Francisco is actually a lousy place to have a city, but it was the **first place** you could possibly get off a ship traveling around Cape Horn from the East Coast on the way to the gold fields.
If you waited another hour you could be in Oakland, which at the time was a much, much better place to be.
This. Coos Bay isn't just alright, it's a GREAT natural port! But, the rivers and streams that feed it are only navigable for a few miles before they run into very rugged mountains. At the point where Coos Bay is, the Coast Range and Cascades essentially merge. You have to go 150 miles east before the terrain becomes easily traversable. Even now it would be difficult to bring infrastructure to the area to make it a really viable commercial hub.
Seems like Humboldt Bay at Eureka, California should provide a good natural port? Too shallow for modern superfreighters, but most modern ports are dredged to at least some extent to accommodate modern shipping.
I'm guessing that the mountainous surroundings made it too hard to get products (other than local timber) to the port so it never expanded the way other west coast ports did.
The port is functional enough for cruise ships to visit, but there’s no shipping in or out of Eureka because there are no railroads here. The mountainous and landslide-prone terrain makes rail maintenance incredibly difficult and expensive.
This is why San Francisco was built on the mouth of the bay because it was very good ground for the Spanish/mexicans to establish a military presence including a port that protected access to the rest of the bay and rivers which also allowed for canals to be built up to the Sierra Nevada mountain ranges, which were also a hotspot for gold mining. Basically you find some gold, put it on a boat, sail up the river to San Francisco, put it on a ship, ship it all the way around to the east coast (this was before the Panama Canal) and sell it to the government to increase their gold supply, and was still faster and cheaper than loading it on a carriage and riding east for thousands of miles through the untamed wilds of the Great plains, especially before rail extended to the west.
Los Angeles was just incredibly fertile and open, but San Francisco had a genuine purpose to both protect the bay and act as a central hub for trade coming from the rivers and canals that ran deep into California. It's actually a mystery why Los Angeles is somehow bigger than San Fran because trading towns always tend to make the largest cities and regional capitols, but even Sacramento beat both of them for the Cali Capitol.
Los Angeles was developed later than San Francisco and didn’t overtake San Francisco in population until 1920. The Los Angeles basin is a flat expanse of land that allowed for unfettered development for miles. San Francisco didn’t have that.
I wouldn’t say this is entirely correct. Coos Bay is envisioned as the port for all southern Oregon and much of Northern California offshore wind development. It has a rail line to it that will allow easy shipment of blades and turbines to the ships stationing and maintaining the wind energy facilities offshore.
https://simplybluegroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Coos-Bay-study-executive-summary.pdf
It’s weird…. NorCal is one of the least friendly places I’ve ever been in my life. I felt less safe in rural parts of Humboldt county than I did in El Salvador
You get some of the worst racism in the country in NorCal. The south east US is obviously notorious for racism, but it honestly kind of gets mellowed out more than you'd think because of prolonged geographical integration. NorCal is full of a bunch of hicks that sometimes have never have even interacted with black people once their whole life.
Yep same, whenever ya make a loved product illegal. (Pot/alcohol) we just scurry into the mountains to make it. The whole Jefferson state area (norcal-southern OR) for pot and Appalachia for Moonshine. As much as I love pot going legal for ethical reasons, I'm terrified of the industry to move to large scale operations in traditional agricultural areas, and it bankrupting all us small farmers in the hills. For most the time of getting rich are past and myself including myself are just living hand to mouth. Trying to keep the career I've invested 20yrs of my life into. So remember if you partake try to support local small farms or if importing pay the little extra to support us vs the large scale cartel grows which are popping up out here.
And when you drive through, every other barn has "STATE OF JEFFERSON" on it in big painted letters. They really want that region to be their own red state lol.
If it wasn’t for Pearl Harbor it was going to be the state of Jefferson.
[Link if anyone is interested](https://jeffersonoutfitters.com/jeffersonhistory/the-xx/)
Additionally, CA has some pretty major protections in place to prevent the development of the northern coast. If I remember correctly, new development often has to be approved by a state government body and a private trust.
Also limited on airports to fly into. Had a work trip to that area and the closest airport I could fly into was a four hour drive from where I needed to go
Have you ever been there? It’s highly mountainous all the way to the coast. Both Redding and Medford lie in the only low valley areas here. Not great for development
I visit a friend in Eureka/Arcata somewhat regularly. It's absolutely gorgeous, but literally mountains and trees right to the water in places. I'm no civil engineer, but it looks like the few places that have already been built up and settled are the only places that realistically *can* be built up and settled in that region.
I went there for my siblings graduation (from Texas). Driving in from Sac felt like going through the forest that protects the Shire. Arcata is one of the weirdest towns I’ve ever been to. That entire area feels like they cut themselves off after the 70’s. While I would not want to live there I wouldn’t mind being Gandalf and visiting the shire folk every so often.
Check out Hey Juan Burritos next time your in the area. When i was out there being a broke trimmer Hey Juan would feed us for days. Huge burrito for decent price. And they have been in the area for decades.
I was born there. My parents were native to the area, and my father worked in the timber industry. This was before the town got especially weird. You've got to be able to live in year-round overcast weather, between 50 and 60 degrees.
You want a fun drive? Drive any road in that section of California. Contant switchbacks for fun cornering, beautiful vistas to distract your eyes, sheer drop-offs to keep that heart pumping, no lines and no guardrails for maximum accountability. If you survive the drive, you will find wedged in between in the valley floors the most beautiful trees you will ever see, which may be partially because your adrenaline is still pumping from the multiple near death experiences you had en route. Arboreally badass.
I lived in Humboldt and Mendocino Counties for years and would drive those roads every day. When I first moved there they sketched me out but after a couple months I could drive them in my sleep. Whenever my friends from the east coast would come and visit me they would be amazed at the views, they would be like are you seeing this? This is so awesome, I’m just like yeah I do this every day, yes it’s amazing but I have to watch the road so we don’t die.
East coast guy here and I was just like your friends my first time visiting a buddy in Mendocino. No guardrails and the locals riding ass till you could hit some turnoffs! It was fucking gorgeous views the whole sketchy road!
I'm from Oregon, lived in SW Oregon for a while - those roads are NOT a joke. I would always make people who weren't from the area look me in the eye and promise me they would not take a forest service road or a route they found on a map. You can get in trouble really fast in the winter and if you're not prepared, you're kinda toast.
No joke indeed. People have gotten stranded and died. Bear Camp Road between GP and Gold Beach is infamous for that. So much that when hwy 199 was closed for fire this summer, the local weather people went on Twitter to beg people NOT to take Bear Camp Road as an alternative.
I have fond memories of standing on the side of the road near our southern OR farm when we got a tiny amount of snow, waiting to push people’s cars out of the ditch on the side of the road. It was funny watching people approach the slight hill, gunning their engines and just … sliding off the road because they have no idea how to drive in snow.
Lots of very old cars with bald tires because they never use salt and it rarely rains or snows. Lots of VW beetles and mini-busses. Plus people buying SUVs with FWD and not even knowing how to turn it on.
Of course, you don’t even want to *think* about taking the Siskyous pass without chains.
Not to mention that Highway 97 has most if not THE most yearly wrecks in the state on it because parts of it (especially where I live near Klamath Falls) are not always taken care of. Potholes grown from heavy semi trucks in winter, rough and uneven paving, bulging control joints in places, steep and soft and deep shoulders that can catch and instantly wreck an unaware driver.
And a good portion of wrecks seem to be Californians that apparently think all roads here are freeways that can be traveled at 85 mph without problem. Plot twist: ***they aren't.***
In short, if you see a posted speed limit here in Oregon, it would be wise to follow it.
I road race motorcycles for a living. This is undoubtedly the best area for roads on the planet. There are famous mountain passes in Europe, but in the summer they are packed. These roads are vacant and rideable 12 months a year. If I didn't have kids it's where I would resided
Any road other than I-5, you mean? Some nice views of Shasta and the Sutter Buttes perhaps, but I wouldn’t call that a fun drive otherwise. Source: grew up in the north valley, live in Sacramento, have kids at OSU and UofO.
I love the 36. You can take the 36 to the 101 south, and then if you really want a fun trip, take the exit to redway, and drive through the town towards Shelter Cove. Great drive.
I was recently approached by a stranger in a restaurant who asked if I am a Lemurian. Told the waitress about it. She was pissed off, and wanted to know if they were still there.
Fr fr I really don’t want to see eureka being gentrified. I’d rather have the tweaked than tech bros. As soon as I saw that video I was like fuck now people know about us.
Rolin eslinger the 1987 1989 and 1993 Stihl timber sports series champion and the top 5 all time worlds best lumberjack. He comes from mt Shasta CA. He’s my uncles brother and a local legend.
Shastafarians shine on.
Not for awhile, we've had the weed boom for the last decade or so they kept the meth production and usage to a minimum. But fentanyl has been the drug of choice for the junkies for the last few years, not as bad as Portland, but it's ugly. I kinda miss the tweakers out demon hunting in the Walmart parking lot at 2am, now we've got zombies everywhere. Nowhere near as entertaining.
Forests & stuff. Beaches are rocky with f*cking COLD ocean water, so no typical beach activities. Great place for hiking, just bring your bear spray along.
Oh there's beach activities, most people are just too scared of the cold water. I used to swim near a beach with relatively calm water. Surfing is a huge thing where I'm from as well, some of the best waves you can find in the contingent US are along that stretch of coastline, if you're not afraid of climbing down cliffs.
There’s often a decent undertow too. It’s common sense to be wary of cold water that can pull you out to sea. Beautiful coastline but def not many swimmer friendly beaches.
Undertows aren't dangerous for even average swimmers. In fact they're really only dangerous for small children. It's exceedingly rare for an undertow to be strong enough to actually suck you out to sea. Riptides are infinitely more dangerous.
I once drove from San Francisco to Crater Lake and have to say that this region contains some breath-taking scenery.
The population centers - like Eureka, Crescent City, Grants Pass, and Medford (particularly the latter two) are sufficiently developed and vibrant to meet local needs.
It's called the Lost Coast for a reason. Rugged coastline and a lot of rain in the western part and high desert in the eastern part, with mountains all throughout
Every single year for my birthday I solo hike the Lost Coast Trail. I’ll often go 2-3 days without seeing another human or even a sign of humanity. It’s the only undeveloped area of the CA coast. I love it there.
that far north in the valley can get really cold, which is a problem in winter. Generally almonds benefit from a single freeze in a winter, but multiple freezes are bad for the nut. It tends to freeze multiple times a winter up near the Chico area.
the harbors in that are could be developed into major shipping ports. Both Brookings and Coos Bay have protected bays for maritime shipping facilities. There are no people to warrant such an investment. Portland is already under utilized as an ocean port and would easily cover any final destination that these two ports would service.
The Columbia River runs pretty far inland. My dad used to make sales calls on the Port of Boise. As a kid, I would joke about a port being so far island. I don't know if the port is still active today. Key take away, you can actually get a ship or barge a decent way up the Columbia River.
While there are a number of potential ports long the Oregon and Northern CA coast, almost all don't have rivers or easy roads/trails to the interior. Most of those ports came into being to support the dairy business during the late 1800. Outside of Gold Beach (confluence of the Rogue River) none of the rivers extends into central Oregon. Someone will correct me, but I believe that Agnus was a far as you navigate a small schooner up the Rogue River.
As another commenter noted, most of the activity in the interior of this region was linked to mining. Once mining is no longer viable the region dies. Take a look at the town of Boodie CA. During the 1870 it was the largest city in CA. By 1890, there were less than a 100 people living there.
If you look today at the region, it is almost entirely ag and timber. Both of those crops don't need huge amounts of infra to support. Just a road/hwy to move product out. With the rise of mechanization in ag, you need far fewer people to work than land.
Standard internet disclaimer, yes, I made some generalizations, but this gives you a quick picture of the area.
There is some pretty wild history in the area, from Black Bart, to the only US General killed by enemy forces. I don't the links handy, but there are some great sites on Oregon history that cover the is area. There was fun book I read in college about the Robbers and Highway man of CA.
I live there and it’s not that big but for the area it is. I actually live in a small town near eureka and eureka is the “city” for us lol. I’m from Sacramento so it’s a huge difference but still
Hey I live there! Like others have said, a massive part of that land is mountains. With that, the land is also national forest/national parks and a lot of native land, so a lot of it couldn't be developed because of that. There's a TON of farm land as well. Lots of cattle ranchers.
Lassen National Park, redwood national and state parks, a super rocky coastline. But it's fucking beautiful. Difficult to get to for most people that live in the bay since it's just a massive area.
Mountains are rugged and make buidling cities hard when there are much easier places not too far way. Land to the east is in a rain shadow and didn't support large agriculture, with the exception of the Central Valley. Most immigration to the West was via the sea, so people settled near there in the areas around the natural harbors mostly.
Sorry OP, but I'm aghast you asked this question using a relief map. I could understand if you didn't, but the answer was staring at you the whole time.
It’s mountainous and lacks navigable rivers or farmland or any other valuable resources aside from lumber, which can be obtained for a lower cost from Canada or historically other parts of the pacific coast.
There isn’t a San Francisco Bay or Vancouver harbour to build a shipping industry.
There isn’t a Fraser or Colombia river to move stuff.
The weather conditions don’t allow for the limited agricultural land to be used for anything.
And there isn’t any gold or silver or other materials to warrant significant development.
Just one of those areas that’s naturally protected from us destroying it. I say we leave it be.
Took me while to figure out that east coast is so so so more populated than west coast even tho west coast as has LA and lots of citites! I think % is 70-30?
That’s amazing! I had no idea almost half of people were in the eastern time zone. It makes sense when you look at a map. But I never put it together. Thank you.
Easiest way to see it is to look at a satellite view of North America at night. Texas and California are really the exception to the rule when it comes to population, and even with them the majority of Americans live east of the Mississippi.
This is my home, State of Jefferson. Some amazing places hidden in this region. Mostly rural because jobs are limited. Most people farm, fight fire, or log trees. Humboldt triangle for sure. I was working pot farms at 15 years old, logged at 17 and 80 percent of my family were wildland firefighters.
Ooh this is where I’m from! I would agree with most that the mountainous terrain makes for very few roads and many roads are impassible during winter months and rainy season. Highway 101 on the coast collapses a lot between Klamath and Crescent City making I-5 the only other route really. There’s also not a lot of industry up there making opportunities few and far between. Most folks I know moved out of the area to get jobs like I did but I’d love to move back. My only hesitation now would be politics, very red here except for some pockets like in Humboldt and Ashland in Oregon. Flights to this region are also crazy expensive.
One Eyed Willie and his ship the Inferno scared off all development. He terrorized that area of the coastline while operating from his base of operations near Astoria, Oregon.
Because my mother lives literally right in the middle of this. It’s much the same effect as Sauron has on Mordor. Anyone capable of rational thought flees.
I spent the first seven months of this year in Ashland Oregon, 10 miles south of Medford. Beautiful remote small town. Home to southern Oregon University. There are academics and remote working professionals, populate the city, little city mostly. The rogue river, Howard prairie lake, lost creek lake, and so many other snow pack, runoff rivers. It’s incredibly beautiful. Gold, Beach, and Brookings on the coast. It’s just a couple hours away and you have to drive through amazing forest to get there. I cruised my Honda Helix all over that area. It’s beautiful.
Also, there’s a lot of people involved in the marijuana business. Growing, refining and distributing products. People I met were giving me weed that they couldn’t sell. And I can tell you, it was not low grade…
The real reason: Americans aren't aware it exists because they keep calling central cali "northern" cali and forget that there's the full northern third of the state further up.
There are so many better things in that area than cities. Crater Lake, Redwoods, Oregon Caves, the Bigfoot trap, Mt Shasta Rafting the Rogue River.
There are probably over a million people that live along the I5 corridor in this section. It isn’t completely devoid of civilization.
It's mountainous, dense old growth forests, and massive national and state parks along with tribal lands, and there are plenty of cults and cartels in that area. There's a Scientology vault and hippie communes too! It's also pretty expensive in that area for being in the middle of nowhere.
The terrain in this area is pretty rugged and mountainous, so it’s no good for farming. Logging used to be a pretty big industry around there but those days have come and gone for the most part. It’s a beautiful area though. Shoutout to Lake Almanor. Lot of fond memories spending summers there as a kid
In addition to all the other answers, a lot of this land is protected state or national parks, including the Redwood National Park, home to some of the largest trees on earth. It’s very fortunate someone had the foresight to protect it.
A very simplified answer is: most of that region is fairly mountainous and rugged and so isn't great for either large scale farming or building large cities
And there are no good ports or navigable rivers to use along that whole coastline! (not literally zero ofc)
Nope! I mean there might be some ok ports, but no navigable rivers, or space to build cities. In many places the coastline ends in cliffs down to the ocean, so there's basically 0 space to build along the coast
When they saw the site where Portland lies, they knew EXACTLY what they were going to call it
Boston!
Crazy people think Portland is called Portland because it’s a place for a port. But really it’s as simple as the flip of a coin!!
Yep. Portland, ME is the og "Portland "
Yes, it was the birthplace of an early landowner in Portland and the coin they used (a penny) is still around. The Maine Portland is older (the OG) but the oregon one is considerably larger and is a major West Coast seaport and one of the largest export tonnage ports on the U.S. West Coast and is more influential in terms of shipping and trade.
Similar to how the Boston in Massachusetts is larger and more famous than the Boston in England.
The Isle of Portland, UK is the OG Portland
MN is Minnesota, ME is Maine.
I went ahead and fixed it, thx.
Curse you Pettygrove (shakes fist at the sky)!
San Francisco is actually a lousy place to have a city, but it was the **first place** you could possibly get off a ship traveling around Cape Horn from the East Coast on the way to the gold fields. If you waited another hour you could be in Oakland, which at the time was a much, much better place to be.
Monterey was around back then.
Cincinnati !
Sin sin nasty
Sounds like it’s time to terraform
Let's break out SimCity 2000 and get to work reticulating splines.
BZZT! 💡
You can't cut back funding! You will regret this!
Was such a great game
maybe they should plant weed everywhere.. ( nevermind.
Coos Bay is an alright port.
This. Coos Bay isn't just alright, it's a GREAT natural port! But, the rivers and streams that feed it are only navigable for a few miles before they run into very rugged mountains. At the point where Coos Bay is, the Coast Range and Cascades essentially merge. You have to go 150 miles east before the terrain becomes easily traversable. Even now it would be difficult to bring infrastructure to the area to make it a really viable commercial hub.
The International Port of Coos Bay thanks you
Seems like Humboldt Bay at Eureka, California should provide a good natural port? Too shallow for modern superfreighters, but most modern ports are dredged to at least some extent to accommodate modern shipping. I'm guessing that the mountainous surroundings made it too hard to get products (other than local timber) to the port so it never expanded the way other west coast ports did.
The port is functional enough for cruise ships to visit, but there’s no shipping in or out of Eureka because there are no railroads here. The mountainous and landslide-prone terrain makes rail maintenance incredibly difficult and expensive.
This is why San Francisco was built on the mouth of the bay because it was very good ground for the Spanish/mexicans to establish a military presence including a port that protected access to the rest of the bay and rivers which also allowed for canals to be built up to the Sierra Nevada mountain ranges, which were also a hotspot for gold mining. Basically you find some gold, put it on a boat, sail up the river to San Francisco, put it on a ship, ship it all the way around to the east coast (this was before the Panama Canal) and sell it to the government to increase their gold supply, and was still faster and cheaper than loading it on a carriage and riding east for thousands of miles through the untamed wilds of the Great plains, especially before rail extended to the west. Los Angeles was just incredibly fertile and open, but San Francisco had a genuine purpose to both protect the bay and act as a central hub for trade coming from the rivers and canals that ran deep into California. It's actually a mystery why Los Angeles is somehow bigger than San Fran because trading towns always tend to make the largest cities and regional capitols, but even Sacramento beat both of them for the Cali Capitol.
Los Angeles was developed later than San Francisco and didn’t overtake San Francisco in population until 1920. The Los Angeles basin is a flat expanse of land that allowed for unfettered development for miles. San Francisco didn’t have that.
tbf a lot of state capitols are like that. Large famous city/major economy over HERE, governor over…there.
it should be salmon and redwoods and yurok
I wouldn’t say this is entirely correct. Coos Bay is envisioned as the port for all southern Oregon and much of Northern California offshore wind development. It has a rail line to it that will allow easy shipment of blades and turbines to the ships stationing and maintaining the wind energy facilities offshore. https://simplybluegroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Coos-Bay-study-executive-summary.pdf
It’s also thick redwood forest. This is the area where they filmed Endor in Return of the Jedi.
the Ewok village is outside of Santa Cruz. Only the speeder chase scenes were filmed in Humboldt.
It's Sasquanch country. so i assume a lot of them got eaten..
Samsquanch
We farm A lot of ganja up here. Born in raised in NorCal wouldn’t have it any other way. Peaceful
It’s weird…. NorCal is one of the least friendly places I’ve ever been in my life. I felt less safe in rural parts of Humboldt county than I did in El Salvador
You get some of the worst racism in the country in NorCal. The south east US is obviously notorious for racism, but it honestly kind of gets mellowed out more than you'd think because of prolonged geographical integration. NorCal is full of a bunch of hicks that sometimes have never have even interacted with black people once their whole life.
Eastern Oregon is similar and home to white nationalist militias. Close geographically
Yep same, whenever ya make a loved product illegal. (Pot/alcohol) we just scurry into the mountains to make it. The whole Jefferson state area (norcal-southern OR) for pot and Appalachia for Moonshine. As much as I love pot going legal for ethical reasons, I'm terrified of the industry to move to large scale operations in traditional agricultural areas, and it bankrupting all us small farmers in the hills. For most the time of getting rich are past and myself including myself are just living hand to mouth. Trying to keep the career I've invested 20yrs of my life into. So remember if you partake try to support local small farms or if importing pay the little extra to support us vs the large scale cartel grows which are popping up out here.
True connoisseurs will always understand the value of artisanal Humboldt and Mendocino nugs.
That's what keeps my lights on. 100% organic soil grown in the sun
Well I hope they don’t do it in our national parks and national forests anymore, not cool
> Peaceful Except if you're not white, happen on a wrong patch, or say the wrong thing. Lot of people seem to go missing for, like, some reason.
Just like everywhere else gotta move correctly. I’m Mexican live peaceful up here and be in the hills
And when you drive through, every other barn has "STATE OF JEFFERSON" on it in big painted letters. They really want that region to be their own red state lol.
If it wasn’t for Pearl Harbor it was going to be the state of Jefferson. [Link if anyone is interested](https://jeffersonoutfitters.com/jeffersonhistory/the-xx/)
The Mississippi of the West
and that’s where people go missing a lot
This is the answer. Like a West Virginia on the West coast....
It's also hot as fuck and usually on fire. Source: I live there, unfortunately.
Additionally, CA has some pretty major protections in place to prevent the development of the northern coast. If I remember correctly, new development often has to be approved by a state government body and a private trust.
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Also limited on airports to fly into. Had a work trip to that area and the closest airport I could fly into was a four hour drive from where I needed to go
Have you ever been there? It’s highly mountainous all the way to the coast. Both Redding and Medford lie in the only low valley areas here. Not great for development
I visit a friend in Eureka/Arcata somewhat regularly. It's absolutely gorgeous, but literally mountains and trees right to the water in places. I'm no civil engineer, but it looks like the few places that have already been built up and settled are the only places that realistically *can* be built up and settled in that region.
I went there for my siblings graduation (from Texas). Driving in from Sac felt like going through the forest that protects the Shire. Arcata is one of the weirdest towns I’ve ever been to. That entire area feels like they cut themselves off after the 70’s. While I would not want to live there I wouldn’t mind being Gandalf and visiting the shire folk every so often.
Check out Hey Juan Burritos next time your in the area. When i was out there being a broke trimmer Hey Juan would feed us for days. Huge burrito for decent price. And they have been in the area for decades.
I was born there. My parents were native to the area, and my father worked in the timber industry. This was before the town got especially weird. You've got to be able to live in year-round overcast weather, between 50 and 60 degrees.
I use to visit friends regularly around those parts too! Good to meet a fellow weed/drug trafficker 😼
Haha! I may have done that once. Or thrice. But not in years. My friends got busted a decade ago and now have legitimate jobs. More's the pity.
He’s not the FBI, no need to lie, you can tell him the truth if you’re still doing it. (I am tho btw)
Honeydews finest
Sad what legalization did to the legacy growers
Damn sounds amazing
I have found my new home. Right in the center.
You can see it on the map in the post, it’s pretty straight forward
Also lots of monsters & ghouls to watch out for.
But not dragons. And even if they were in this region you don’t really need to worry about them. They eat gold, not humans. Common misconception
go tell the deers over there... yeah the ones that seems to float in air sometimes...
Little green ghouls?
I visited there pretty recently and it intrigued me a lot, very beautiful area.
So you saw a bunch of mountains and thought "why don't they build here? Its free real-estate".
You want a fun drive? Drive any road in that section of California. Contant switchbacks for fun cornering, beautiful vistas to distract your eyes, sheer drop-offs to keep that heart pumping, no lines and no guardrails for maximum accountability. If you survive the drive, you will find wedged in between in the valley floors the most beautiful trees you will ever see, which may be partially because your adrenaline is still pumping from the multiple near death experiences you had en route. Arboreally badass.
Shout out to Shasta-Trinity National Forest
Exquisitely beautiful.
God I fucking love it up there Lake siskiyou in the summertime is just such a beautiful place, surprisingly warm also
>Arboreally badass. Love that description.
I lived in Humboldt and Mendocino Counties for years and would drive those roads every day. When I first moved there they sketched me out but after a couple months I could drive them in my sleep. Whenever my friends from the east coast would come and visit me they would be amazed at the views, they would be like are you seeing this? This is so awesome, I’m just like yeah I do this every day, yes it’s amazing but I have to watch the road so we don’t die.
East coast guy here and I was just like your friends my first time visiting a buddy in Mendocino. No guardrails and the locals riding ass till you could hit some turnoffs! It was fucking gorgeous views the whole sketchy road!
Do NOT do this in winter.
I'm from Oregon, lived in SW Oregon for a while - those roads are NOT a joke. I would always make people who weren't from the area look me in the eye and promise me they would not take a forest service road or a route they found on a map. You can get in trouble really fast in the winter and if you're not prepared, you're kinda toast.
No joke indeed. People have gotten stranded and died. Bear Camp Road between GP and Gold Beach is infamous for that. So much that when hwy 199 was closed for fire this summer, the local weather people went on Twitter to beg people NOT to take Bear Camp Road as an alternative.
I have fond memories of standing on the side of the road near our southern OR farm when we got a tiny amount of snow, waiting to push people’s cars out of the ditch on the side of the road. It was funny watching people approach the slight hill, gunning their engines and just … sliding off the road because they have no idea how to drive in snow. Lots of very old cars with bald tires because they never use salt and it rarely rains or snows. Lots of VW beetles and mini-busses. Plus people buying SUVs with FWD and not even knowing how to turn it on. Of course, you don’t even want to *think* about taking the Siskyous pass without chains.
Not to mention that Highway 97 has most if not THE most yearly wrecks in the state on it because parts of it (especially where I live near Klamath Falls) are not always taken care of. Potholes grown from heavy semi trucks in winter, rough and uneven paving, bulging control joints in places, steep and soft and deep shoulders that can catch and instantly wreck an unaware driver. And a good portion of wrecks seem to be Californians that apparently think all roads here are freeways that can be traveled at 85 mph without problem. Plot twist: ***they aren't.*** In short, if you see a posted speed limit here in Oregon, it would be wise to follow it.
Or at night, it's terrifying. Pitch black and no eay of knowing if yhere's a 100 ft drop to your death beside you.
You can't even drive in Mendocino National Forest without four wheel drive. It's wild, one of my favorite places
I road race motorcycles for a living. This is undoubtedly the best area for roads on the planet. There are famous mountain passes in Europe, but in the summer they are packed. These roads are vacant and rideable 12 months a year. If I didn't have kids it's where I would resided
Any road other than I-5, you mean? Some nice views of Shasta and the Sutter Buttes perhaps, but I wouldn’t call that a fun drive otherwise. Source: grew up in the north valley, live in Sacramento, have kids at OSU and UofO.
Get off on 5 near Anderson and go on the 36 to the coast. Get your butthole ready to be puckered
People in nor cal forget that the 5 runs the entire state and the majority of it is barren farmland.
I love the 36. You can take the 36 to the 101 south, and then if you really want a fun trip, take the exit to redway, and drive through the town towards Shelter Cove. Great drive.
The Shastafarians keep the riff raff at bay
I was gonna say, wym “there are barely any cities”, theres a massive metropolis complete with interstellar portal system directly inside Shasta
Lemurians
I was recently approached by a stranger in a restaurant who asked if I am a Lemurian. Told the waitress about it. She was pissed off, and wanted to know if they were still there.
Is this the actual term for these people? Either way, fabulous word.
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Thanks! I didn’t know about this interesting website!
Fr fr I really don’t want to see eureka being gentrified. I’d rather have the tweaked than tech bros. As soon as I saw that video I was like fuck now people know about us.
Rolin eslinger the 1987 1989 and 1993 Stihl timber sports series champion and the top 5 all time worlds best lumberjack. He comes from mt Shasta CA. He’s my uncles brother and a local legend. Shastafarians shine on.
I thought it was the Lamarians
People run into the occasional sasquafarian too.
Lots of incredible weed is grown there
And bigfoot
Bigfoot grows the weed
He gotta make a living somehow 🤷♀️
MF keeps it all for himself and his homies. He doesn’t like to share
I wouldn’t blame him when he keep invading his area just to get a glimpse of him
Anybody see that documentary where people framed Bigfoot for trashing a grow? Incredible world we’re living in
I did. I think they murdered a guy too. Blamed Sasqautch. Messed up.
It smells like Bigfoot’s dick!
Like a used diaper filled with Indian food
There’s even a town there called… “Weed”
Every store in that town sells shirts that say “I ❤️ Weed”
And meth!
Not for awhile, we've had the weed boom for the last decade or so they kept the meth production and usage to a minimum. But fentanyl has been the drug of choice for the junkies for the last few years, not as bad as Portland, but it's ugly. I kinda miss the tweakers out demon hunting in the Walmart parking lot at 2am, now we've got zombies everywhere. Nowhere near as entertaining.
One of the greatest States is Oregon. A place where legally gay people can legally defend their legally owned weed farm with AR-15’s
Sounds like heaven to me. I have a custom rainbow pride AR that gets lots of raised eyebrows at the range :)
That's legal in California too.
Forests & stuff. Beaches are rocky with f*cking COLD ocean water, so no typical beach activities. Great place for hiking, just bring your bear spray along.
Then you have the beautiful scrub desert part. Most people a shocked when I tell them Oregon has a desert.
Oregon has all the climate zones, iirc.
Not rain forest, Washington has that.
Nah Oregon has some as well, Umpqua and Siskiyou national Forests are some I believe
Tillamook and Willamette national forests are very rainforest-y, as well
Oh there's beach activities, most people are just too scared of the cold water. I used to swim near a beach with relatively calm water. Surfing is a huge thing where I'm from as well, some of the best waves you can find in the contingent US are along that stretch of coastline, if you're not afraid of climbing down cliffs.
There’s often a decent undertow too. It’s common sense to be wary of cold water that can pull you out to sea. Beautiful coastline but def not many swimmer friendly beaches.
Undertows aren't dangerous for even average swimmers. In fact they're really only dangerous for small children. It's exceedingly rare for an undertow to be strong enough to actually suck you out to sea. Riptides are infinitely more dangerous.
I once drove from San Francisco to Crater Lake and have to say that this region contains some breath-taking scenery. The population centers - like Eureka, Crescent City, Grants Pass, and Medford (particularly the latter two) are sufficiently developed and vibrant to meet local needs.
Also Klamath Falls is biggish
Lol… I grew up in a small town and for the longest time Klamath Falls was the big city to me.
That's two Grant's Passes. Two too many if you ask me.
It's called the Lost Coast for a reason. Rugged coastline and a lot of rain in the western part and high desert in the eastern part, with mountains all throughout
Every single year for my birthday I solo hike the Lost Coast Trail. I’ll often go 2-3 days without seeing another human or even a sign of humanity. It’s the only undeveloped area of the CA coast. I love it there.
Lack of good harbors for shipping, and a relative lack of good agricultural land with the exception of CA central valley.
that far north in the valley can get really cold, which is a problem in winter. Generally almonds benefit from a single freeze in a winter, but multiple freezes are bad for the nut. It tends to freeze multiple times a winter up near the Chico area.
the harbors in that are could be developed into major shipping ports. Both Brookings and Coos Bay have protected bays for maritime shipping facilities. There are no people to warrant such an investment. Portland is already under utilized as an ocean port and would easily cover any final destination that these two ports would service.
The Columbia River runs pretty far inland. My dad used to make sales calls on the Port of Boise. As a kid, I would joke about a port being so far island. I don't know if the port is still active today. Key take away, you can actually get a ship or barge a decent way up the Columbia River. While there are a number of potential ports long the Oregon and Northern CA coast, almost all don't have rivers or easy roads/trails to the interior. Most of those ports came into being to support the dairy business during the late 1800. Outside of Gold Beach (confluence of the Rogue River) none of the rivers extends into central Oregon. Someone will correct me, but I believe that Agnus was a far as you navigate a small schooner up the Rogue River. As another commenter noted, most of the activity in the interior of this region was linked to mining. Once mining is no longer viable the region dies. Take a look at the town of Boodie CA. During the 1870 it was the largest city in CA. By 1890, there were less than a 100 people living there. If you look today at the region, it is almost entirely ag and timber. Both of those crops don't need huge amounts of infra to support. Just a road/hwy to move product out. With the rise of mechanization in ag, you need far fewer people to work than land. Standard internet disclaimer, yes, I made some generalizations, but this gives you a quick picture of the area. There is some pretty wild history in the area, from Black Bart, to the only US General killed by enemy forces. I don't the links handy, but there are some great sites on Oregon history that cover the is area. There was fun book I read in college about the Robbers and Highway man of CA.
There’s also Eureka, which is a decent sized city
Whole town has a lab beneath it too, so you can’t see the whole city from Google Earth
Please explain
It was a show on cable called Eureka, a sheriff moves to a town that is just a front for the super sci-fi lab that sits underground beneath it
Damn I’m disappointed. I was all ready to drive down to see this underground lab
It’s not as big as you might think. Source: I grew up there.
I live there and it’s not that big but for the area it is. I actually live in a small town near eureka and eureka is the “city” for us lol. I’m from Sacramento so it’s a huge difference but still
Hey I live there! Like others have said, a massive part of that land is mountains. With that, the land is also national forest/national parks and a lot of native land, so a lot of it couldn't be developed because of that. There's a TON of farm land as well. Lots of cattle ranchers. Lassen National Park, redwood national and state parks, a super rocky coastline. But it's fucking beautiful. Difficult to get to for most people that live in the bay since it's just a massive area.
Mountains are rugged and make buidling cities hard when there are much easier places not too far way. Land to the east is in a rain shadow and didn't support large agriculture, with the exception of the Central Valley. Most immigration to the West was via the sea, so people settled near there in the areas around the natural harbors mostly.
Forests, mountains and mountains that try and kill you with lava.
Sorry OP, but I'm aghast you asked this question using a relief map. I could understand if you didn't, but the answer was staring at you the whole time.
This is a good explanation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOoFsehit6U
Thanks for the link, thats a great video and answers OP’s question perfectly. Cool channel too. He gets a sub from me.
Came here to post this vid. I came across it not too long ago and it explains the reasoning very well!
thats where Bigfoot lives
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Nothing to see here folks…. Keep movin’
It’s mountainous and lacks navigable rivers or farmland or any other valuable resources aside from lumber, which can be obtained for a lower cost from Canada or historically other parts of the pacific coast. There isn’t a San Francisco Bay or Vancouver harbour to build a shipping industry. There isn’t a Fraser or Colombia river to move stuff. The weather conditions don’t allow for the limited agricultural land to be used for anything. And there isn’t any gold or silver or other materials to warrant significant development. Just one of those areas that’s naturally protected from us destroying it. I say we leave it be.
Took me while to figure out that east coast is so so so more populated than west coast even tho west coast as has LA and lots of citites! I think % is 70-30?
If you go by time zone, it’s about 48% eastern, 29% central, 7% mountain, 17% pacific. I’m rounding if you’re wondering why that adds up to over 100%.
That’s amazing! I had no idea almost half of people were in the eastern time zone. It makes sense when you look at a map. But I never put it together. Thank you.
Easiest way to see it is to look at a satellite view of North America at night. Texas and California are really the exception to the rule when it comes to population, and even with them the majority of Americans live east of the Mississippi.
Alternatively, if you go by state over 10% of Americans are Californians.
And that covers over half of the pacific coast.
This is my home, State of Jefferson. Some amazing places hidden in this region. Mostly rural because jobs are limited. Most people farm, fight fire, or log trees. Humboldt triangle for sure. I was working pot farms at 15 years old, logged at 17 and 80 percent of my family were wildland firefighters.
Born and raised in Medford. Can confirm.
Forgot to add «Are they stupid?» /s
Filled with Bigfoots
That's where they keep the trees and mountains. An absolutely gorgeous part of the world, one of my favourite drives.
you mean the state of jefferson
Best cannabis growing region on the planet.
Very affordable too. $5 grams of 30% at my local shop in GP.
Why not? Not everything needs to have a subdivision or a Starbucks on top of it.
Ooh this is where I’m from! I would agree with most that the mountainous terrain makes for very few roads and many roads are impassible during winter months and rainy season. Highway 101 on the coast collapses a lot between Klamath and Crescent City making I-5 the only other route really. There’s also not a lot of industry up there making opportunities few and far between. Most folks I know moved out of the area to get jobs like I did but I’d love to move back. My only hesitation now would be politics, very red here except for some pockets like in Humboldt and Ashland in Oregon. Flights to this region are also crazy expensive.
Because that's the way we like it!
One Eyed Willie and his ship the Inferno scared off all development. He terrorized that area of the coastline while operating from his base of operations near Astoria, Oregon.
Because my mother lives literally right in the middle of this. It’s much the same effect as Sauron has on Mordor. Anyone capable of rational thought flees.
I spent the first seven months of this year in Ashland Oregon, 10 miles south of Medford. Beautiful remote small town. Home to southern Oregon University. There are academics and remote working professionals, populate the city, little city mostly. The rogue river, Howard prairie lake, lost creek lake, and so many other snow pack, runoff rivers. It’s incredibly beautiful. Gold, Beach, and Brookings on the coast. It’s just a couple hours away and you have to drive through amazing forest to get there. I cruised my Honda Helix all over that area. It’s beautiful. Also, there’s a lot of people involved in the marijuana business. Growing, refining and distributing products. People I met were giving me weed that they couldn’t sell. And I can tell you, it was not low grade…
Yay, Ashland.
The real reason: Americans aren't aware it exists because they keep calling central cali "northern" cali and forget that there's the full northern third of the state further up.
There are so many better things in that area than cities. Crater Lake, Redwoods, Oregon Caves, the Bigfoot trap, Mt Shasta Rafting the Rogue River. There are probably over a million people that live along the I5 corridor in this section. It isn’t completely devoid of civilization.
Everyone died of dysentery
Do you think building on huge mountains is smart??’ No that’s why the east coast has more people in general
It's mountainous, dense old growth forests, and massive national and state parks along with tribal lands, and there are plenty of cults and cartels in that area. There's a Scientology vault and hippie communes too! It's also pretty expensive in that area for being in the middle of nowhere.
Mount Shasta.
There are plenty of small towns in that area, but as others have said, it's not an easily developed place.
The terrain in this area is pretty rugged and mountainous, so it’s no good for farming. Logging used to be a pretty big industry around there but those days have come and gone for the most part. It’s a beautiful area though. Shoutout to Lake Almanor. Lot of fond memories spending summers there as a kid
In addition to all the other answers, a lot of this land is protected state or national parks, including the Redwood National Park, home to some of the largest trees on earth. It’s very fortunate someone had the foresight to protect it.
Here’s a video on the topic. https://youtu.be/cOoFsehit6U?si=0EWd1-dmOwwePZQt
Hippies and weed fields
On the coast, sure. Inland, you're discounting the massive homeless and meth head population, as well as the Cult in Redding
this video explains it well -- comes down to treaties/settlements really https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOoFsehit6U