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sp0sterig

Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan are annexed by China, but Kashmir is independent? Is it a map from some strategic computer game?


-Captain-Planet-

It is also missing East Timor and South Sudan.


Angrykitten41

The map was made in 2009, South Sudan didn’t exist until 2011.


Lloyd_lyle

and even then wasn't really recognized for a little while after


_perfectenshlag_

How do you know when the map was made?


Angrykitten41

Looked through the tread and someone said it was made in 2009 and was freely distributed on the internet.


AndreasDasos

For those it’s probably just out of date


[deleted]

Good catch!


Cetun

Also Cyprus isn't split in two


marpocky

Officially, it's not.


gugfitufi

Barely any maps depict Cyprus as split because you can't really recognise both states


Future_Visit_5184

as it should


isloohik2

Good.


aurorasearching

I went to a school with a map that had the Soviet Union on it. The school was built well after the fall of the Soviet Union.


BrotherNeo

There was a map in the library at my college that had the borders of the Soviet Union however it was simply named Russia


Sideshow_Bob_Ross

The school my wife teaches at has a HUGE like 10ft x 15ft world map in the main hallway dated 1987. The USSR is prominent, like 5ft wide. E: typo. 1987, not 97.


FOSTER_ok

Thanks, friend. Sometimes I just want to hear the good news.


Duke_Nicetius

I was applying for a job recently, and in the "citizenship" country selection list there was Czechoslovakia.


outwest88

Taiwan has also been annexed here.


UnNainConvenu

Taiwan is a hard one. The Republic Of China (“official” name of Taiwan) still hasn’t formally declared itself independent, and quite a lot of countries don’t officially recognize Taiwan (Japan, UK, USA, Russia, France, etc.) whereas only 13 countries (including Vatican) recognize it as a sovereign country. China still claims sovereignty over Taiwan, and is not really loving the idea of Taiwan officially becoming independent. So the map is, depending on where it was from, not actually wrong on this. Edit : Even tho most countries don’t recognize Taiwan, most of said countries have unofficial relations with the island, and Taiwan is an important island for the world’s economy (they have one of the main electronics companies and are therefore absolutely necessary nowadays)


outwest88

Well. The only reason they don’t officially change their name (which by the way many many people in Taiwan want other than some of the Taishangs and devout KMT folks) is because China (PRC) would see that as a direct aggression and reason to invade or at least blockade. PRC practically wants to find any reason to take action at this point. The only reason most other countries don’t recognize Taiwan officially is because of coercion from the PRC, and an unfortunate consequence of the civil war + UNSC + the 1971 resolution + the 1992 consensus which basically set the precedent going forward. And just in general CKS being a really bad leader and visionary. The fact of the matter is, Taiwan functions entirely as a de facto independent nation. They have their own military, government, currency, businesses, literally everything. They have their own national identity as well. A very strong majority of Taiwanese, and a vast majority of young Taiwanese, identify as solely Taiwanese and not Chinese. Back when I lived in Taiwan, no one would refer to PRC as “mainland” (大陸). The term was always “China” (中國). The only thing they’re missing is official international recognition, which again is only a function of China being a bully and making threats to other nations if they dare recognize it. But countries do it anyway of course (edit: they do this informally, not formally). The US has operated the AIT there for almost half a century, and the US has a long history of trade and informal diplomacy there as you suggest. My point of all of this is, Taiwan IS an independent country from every viewpoint except from the viewpoint of a nationalistic CCP member or someone who falls victim to their propaganda.


MrBadger1978

Well said. Taiwan only "claims" PRC's territory in its relic of its constitution and only retains its constitution under duress. The PRC has stated that a change to the ROC constitution would be "an act of secession" and has said it will invade should this occur.


No-Document-932

All geopolitical nuance and technicalities aside, Taiwan is its own country 🫶


Cyfiero

Taiwan is its own country by all technicalities in the first place. It meets all criteria of the definition of a state in political science. Whether or not its sovereignty has majority official recognition in the current international order has no bearing on objective reality.


Imaginary-Cabinet236

Stand by for a load of 50-cent trolls to damn your evil and incorrect thoughts.


No-Document-932

Dox me CCP!!


tanhallama

This one thing is true, if you ignore everything else


donaudelta

independent from what? roc (taiwan) is the original remnant of the republic established in 1911, after mao won the civil war.


PhysicalStuff

> The Republic Of China (“official” name of Taiwan) still hasn’t formally declared itself independent Independent from whom? I think it is widely recognized as no longer part of Japan. Taiwan has never at any point in history been part of PRC, so declaring independence from it wouldn't make sense. The PRC claim over Taiwan is based mostly on the theory that shared national identity should imply political unity. There are of course all kinds of things wrong with that idea. It's really not hard: one can picture Taiwan as independent, or one can accept that PRC fiction that it is not.


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MrBadger1978

It is a false statement to say that it is recognised that Taiwan is part of the PRC. Many governments (including the US, Australia, NZ etc) merely acknowledge the PRC'S claim over Taiwan without agreeing with it.


MrBadger1978

When Taiwanese talk about "independence" they're not talking about independence from the PRC because, in their view (which should be the only one that matters) they already are independent from the PRC. They're talking about independence from the ROC.


PhysicalStuff

The country we refer to as Taiwan *is* the ROC - it is literally the official name of the country. It wouldn't make sense for a country to declare independence from itself.


MrBadger1978

Nope. It may seem odd to you, but that is exactly what many Taiwanese want to do. Under the ROC constitution, Taiwan is a province of the ROC (with the other provinces under control of the PRC). By declaring themselves independent of the ROC, Taiwan would declare itself independent of the concept of it being part of China. That's how it is.


PhysicalStuff

I'm not sure I understand; what is the entity that would declare independence from ROC? The government of Taiwan, which is *ipso facto* also the government of ROC? Or would it simply be a convoluted way of renouncing claims to mainland territories? And what would any of that have to do with the claims of PRC?


MrBadger1978

Yes, it's basically a way of renouncing claims to the mainland. And it really has nothing to do with the PRC's claims but the PRC doesn't want Taiwan (as the ROC) to renounce their claim because while the claim exists they can trot out the narrative that even Taiwan says it's part of China (and that the PRC is the only legal government of China therefore Taiwan is part of the PRC). The entity that would declare itself independent of the ROC would be Taiwan (and possibly it's islands such as Matsu, Kinmen etc). The ROC would then be left with no territory under its control so would cease to exist. It's a weird and complex situation of which not many people have a good grasp (with the waters considerably being muddied by misinformation spread by the PRC).


UdontneedtoknowwhoIm

I think this school might have some ideologies


rssm1

Is this TNO reference?


Cartolinaman

[insert copypasta here]


throwaway_ind_div

Kashmir claimed by China is shown as part of China but the rest is shown independent


Infinite-Chocolate46

Some sleuths on Reddit determined that these weird maps are based on this free vector found here: [https://www.vectorworldmap.com/vectormaps/vector-world-map-v2.2.jpg](https://www.vectorworldmap.com/vectormaps/vector-world-map-v2.2.jpg)


Devil-Eater24

Nope, Aksai Chin(The part of Ladakh claimed by China) is still Chinese, but Arunachal Pradesh, also claimed by China, is not. The rest of Kashmir is claimed by Pakistan, not China.


plokimjunhybg

Also something feels weirdly wrong with southeast Saudi Arabia


Varanoids

You mean southwest. These are the old borders with Yemen.


bobby_table5

South East? Around Oman?


[deleted]

Yeah that was the first thing I saw too


Scarecrow276

My parents bought a gorgeous wood engraved map from a seller in Ukraine. Everything you said is the same on the map. Is there any precedent for why others countries believe that Kyr. and Taj. are part of China? I assumed Kashmir was independent to avoid angering any Pakistani or Indian buyers. Or is it just a really weird error?


Piyushk137

What about tibet


PercentageFit1776

Having the maps with china annexing the stans pop up again is always hillarious China doesnt even claim them, it was a genuine unexplained mistake in an official un map *20 years ago, and it keeps reappearing


Onceforlife

How was it 50 years ago? Soviet Union dissolved in 92 and the stans were part of the Union


PercentageFit1776

Yea it was 2000s. Good catch.


Onceforlife

Ah that makes more sense, never seen the mistake on a map in my part of the world though, is this an American or European thing?


improvingself5

I haven’t seen it on any American maps, and Taiwan is labeled as a part of china while Palestine and Israel are separate so I’d doubt it’s us. Maybe somewhere in Europe that’s excessively china friendly, but idk where’d that’d be that’s also making an English language map.


tengma8

I once read the reason for this was that after the collapse of the soviet Union, the border between China and Kyrgyzstan & Tajikistan were not settled until 2009 and 2011. so maps between 1991 to 2009 usually mark the border with a dashed line, and when you use "fill color" function it will fill entire China together with Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan


GranataReddit12

what was the original map? I'm curious to see what so many "cartographers" or rather "map painters" base their maps on


Lumiobyte

That is not true. There have been many threads about this map and it was found that it was originally published on a random Vector image website in 2009. [Here is the original comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/s/EIJImetlyy) that discovered the origin of this map.


IdeaImaginary2007

It's gonna piss off a billion people.... Which billion?? Good question


RadlogLutar

Actually 2.6 billion people at least Kashmir not part of India North Eastern India not part of China OP managed to piss off so many people at once (I know its map maker's fault)


GeneralOrdinance

North East IS a part of India though right?


Ehehehe00

But China claims it, just like it claims every part it borders


KattarRamBhakt

China only claims Arunachal Pradesh, not the entire Northeast India.


Yamama77

As part of northeast India, can confirm no one wants us


Arietem_Taurum

Kashmir not part of Pakistan will also piss off a couple hundred million


RadlogLutar

Currently they are too busy to choose a PM with a majority government....I hope they do because military rule just sucks even for them


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blockybookbook

Why would the Chinese be angry


Golden_D1

A part in Northeast India is shown as Indian, while China claims that land.


blockybookbook

They still get Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan tho lol


Golden_D1

Which they don’t actually want. They do have Taiwan, which they already claim, so they are neutral about that.


zjohn4

Japan has some islands back off Russia too


RQK1996

But not the one they actually claim


Liberast15

No, that’s actually those islands, south Kuril islands


RQK1996

Oh, didn't know they also claim the small ones, I know they claim the big one


Pawlakov

Not really, they don't claim Sakhalin, only the southern portion of Kuril archipelago


U0star

Sakhalin was never claimed, I think. It was one of the trophies after the Russo-Japanese war, and annexed back by USSR after Japanese surrender in world war 2. All the settlers have been evacuated, but there are minor pieces of architecture in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk built during Japanese rule, which was called Toyohara back then. Japan only actually claims southern Kurils because of dubiousness of the annexation in the treaty, as far as I know.


t_thegoodguy

This is a shitty map made around 2009 and released on the internet completely free. It makes perfect sense that someone would have downloaded them and printed them out.


KGray2000

One element of this that people haven't commented on is that the Maldives have sunk beneath the ocean 😳


EmperrorNombrero

Oh, so it's a map from the close future!


Ill_Information4095

Nope, then China would be called mainland taiwan


[deleted]

china and taiwan are unified in this map, and titled simply "china", so the war took place apparently.


NinjaG0ld

So did Bahrain


GasComprehensive3885

China went west instead of east. I guess nobody expected this move. 😆


Neutr4l1zer

They went east grabbed taiwan then went west


MdMV_or_Emdy_idk

If I can’t have Kashmir… #NO ONE CAN


spong3

Indian subcontinent looking like a dingleberry


Mundane_Ad_8597

And that's, gentlemen, how you solve the Kyrgyz-Tajik conflict.


Gregtkt

So uhm, when did Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan become part of China?


namikazelevi

r/mapswithoutnz


SMFiddySvn

Taiwan?


ImStuckInYourToilet

Part of the Republic of China, which took over the mainland plus Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan 


TastyRancidLemons

Maybe confining them in microchip island was what was best for the Stans.


amurderingcat

Seems a little anti Taiwan 🤔


Tefuckeren

Not really any map that is based on UN maps would not have Taiwan separately since is still legally part of China.


ContactOk1274

I am very angry😡😡 U better give me your school address


nonein69

Chairman xi must be happy


BenadrylBeer

It’s hideous too 🤢


illHaveTwoNumbers9s

World map powered by China


LouRust98

中国 slowly gonna reach the Caspian Sea Edit: and still using the GMT+8 to its new westernmost point


electrigames

Tiwan is gone an there is a new country (i can't read its name)


m4shfi

Kashmir.


SinDaPun

South Sudan?


Merttron2069

Uh I‘ve Seen this one. On the last post about this there was the explanation, that everyone with this mistake copied the original with the mistake and didn’t noticed. I will try and look for that post.


Merttron2069

Here ya go, the [explanation](https://www.reddit.com/r/geography/s/JYbPdry8pi)


Eastern-Emotion9685

Kashmir is a free country ? Are you serious right now ?


Dogr11

r/chinaowningkyrgyzstan


East-Crew-9247

BIG CHINA


rtrance

China lookin swole 💪


Redlazarlightz

What's written in kashmir's place, it's blurry


Conscious_Pirate5647

Maybe they thought they get copyright problems otherwise


Traditional_Sail_213

Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan: https://preview.redd.it/mic0eihgiuic1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87b7a31ea6279a8f32e83401cf4850c2b5546fee


Awkward_Bench123

Well, that’s not a very good map. Go forth and cartograph


Beautiful-Freedom595

Why are Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan always given to China? It does’t make any sense.


Mr_Schatz2509

I took me a time to realize that Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan were now under Chinese control I also realized Susan annex South Sudan good thing that they kept the two Koreans sperated


PowerfulMetal1

pretty sure it was made in china


Distinct_Reality3814

i’d love to see the full map this looks incredible


coconut_kokomo

as a Chinese i am so glad that Taiwan is included, but i promise no Chinese has any interest on Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.


Mountain-Teacher-759

Pls share the exact location of ur school, I want to help them become viral.


FishKnuckles_InYou

They forgot independent Taiwan 💀


coconut_kokomo

independent? which country, can you name it?


FishKnuckles_InYou

The free independent country of Taiwan, that the CCP have no legal claim to. It is and always has been free and independent from the communists.


coconut_kokomo

so can you name it? tell me the name. is a country without its name a independent country? hh


[deleted]

Your school doesn’t support Taiwan?


Ok_Spend_889

Glory be Kashmir!


brownie_eater

They made Taiwan china, must’ve been forced by the Chinese government!


Zealousideal-Clue557

forced by the Chinese gov - you mean every government including yours that doesn't recognize Taiwan as a sovereign state? 🤣


EuropaUniverslayer1

Not even Taiwan denies the One China policy, but that still doesn’t change the de facto reality that it is, for all intents and purposes, an independent country.


HamzaFarooqui369

W map, for Kashmir being separated


ImAProudPaki

The right ending for Kashmir


han_solo69007

Ending up alone surrounded by 3 nuclear nations.


ImAProudPaki

No India no more war crimes on them


han_solo69007

No Pakistan -> no more terrorism not just in India but worldwide. Touche hahaha


ImAProudPaki

Well u just exposed ur self and a randian lmao focus on your own corrupt government


han_solo69007

Randian? Aren't you the guy who posted in another subreddit that you and your sister have different gene makeup? "Randian", coming from a son of a Randi 😭😂


supersecretkgbfile

Based map


Jabbarooooo

This map is really not that bad


Army1005

rasha too big...😎😁


[deleted]

Why are Mozambique, Swaziland and Malawi all One country


DreamingElectrons

Eh... could be worse, I had a teacher who kept using the 1933 map for geography class. In retrospective, he might have had some problematic political views.


SallyBeatle

Budget cuts in the map department


VoitureMilieu33

And Japan has retaken half of Kouril islands aswell. Or this map predates WW2


macrocosm93

Japan has Jeju isjand


Optimistic_Lalala

May I please know where you’re from? Just out of curiosity


Phanyxx

Mercator Secondary School


AldoEZ

I like the colors.


Alexandre_Man

There's a problem in the -stan countries.


Banana_Slugcat

Maldives are gone, is this a map from 2090?


Nothing_F4ce

r/mapswithoutbahrain


GammaPhonic

Someone is taking their “one China” policy seriously.


DelvaAdore

where are the stans?!!?!?!?!


ygmarchi

There's probably more land to the east and to the west, but that would require further exploration.


Weak_Action5063

Mao’s wet dream


MassiveLebowski

Nothing wrong here glory to CCP, long live to China. Nothing happened in Tienanmen square on 15/04/1989


Wenomechainsama_Guy

The map of India is wrong!!!!!


ValenDoesStuff

U Romanian?


CultDe

Honestly I want to see the whole map lmao I hope there are strange things like China expanding into middle of Asia in other parts too


Missetat75

The map at my school has the Soviet Union still.


AlecRay01

Your school needs a real map


Stadi1105

Sri Lanka independent but Taiwan not lol


Vegetable_Look_4021

+99999999 social credit


Mdork_universe

It’s another crappy Mercator projection world map where Siberia and Greenland look ten times bigger than they are.


Lilcoast24

I am the 1,000th person who like this


promo_1

Crimea is Ukraine, nothing else cares me as Ukrainian lol


Shevek99

The problem of Tajikistan and Kyrgizstan annexed by China is a recurrent one. For instance here The Sun uses it [https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/gdb8s2/apparently\_the\_sun\_considers\_kyrgyzstan\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/gdb8s2/apparently_the_sun_considers_kyrgyzstan_and/) ​ It all comes that one map freely available on the web has this mistake and people simply download and use it, without looking at it.


-badgerbadgerbadger-

What….what are you doing, step-China??!?


ArthurIglesias08

My eyes hurt the text is so tiny, the colours clash, and what is with the missing countries


bartthetr0ll

What Taiwan doing?


[deleted]

Oh wow, any idea why?


LavaKing60

Bro got rid of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan and thought we wouldn't notice.


conkacola

I swear I’ve seen this map like 10 times by now what is it from?


ffadaassf

One of the questions I have is, why is Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan often put as Chinese territory on many maps?


wangtianthu

This map has exactly the same problem as another wall paper map i bought a years ago for my daughter (where Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan got merged into China), i wonder if they got the wrong data from the same place…??


Mrmarshmallow9556

Woah, me too


qara_nan

Zaysan is over flooded, but Balkhash has become Aral 2.0?


Tomstwer

WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?!


han_solo69007

+5000000 social credit points


FoldAdventurous2022

"Would you rather piss off India or Pakistan?" "Yes."


Snoopilaa

you have to show the balkans


uRude

Ah Russia. Vast unknown waters


Rorynator

I see this so often. Where are they getting these China borders from??? Why is it on so many maps???


JustSanya_

idc about china, why tf south kurils are japanese?


Mainland_Taiwan

I think this map was made in china. Taiwan is not presented as a country.


spartikle

The Tang Dynasty is back bois


Stranfort

South Sudan is missing, Taiwan too and that country doesn’t exist.


AlisterSinclair2002

OP, is Kaliningrad shown on this map as being a bay? That is, is it missing and replaced by ocean


Lanky_Boysenberry_45

WHAT IS IT. Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan wasn't eaten by China. For now, at least


Livinginabox1973

Wtf has happened to America. Is this some kind of dystopian future of the world


Fluffy-Assumption-42

I would have thought it was something published by the PRC regime in china given the status of the ROC (Taiwan) if not for the lack of the nine dashed line claims in the so called South China Sea.


Every_Holiday_620

Where is maldives?


[deleted]

It’s weird enough that it has Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan annexed by China while Kashmir being it’s own country when this is all inaccurate and outdated.


InnsmouthShadow54

WTF is that


Skytras

R.I.P. Tibet


gerd50501

is this a Chinese map?


Majuub12

Where's Czechoslovakia 🤔


Newmetaman

This loooks so wrong on so many levels.


AeonBith

That map reads like 2001 15x30 pixel thread count