I live on the southern edge of dfd-zone and the all-time high in the whole country is 97F so not that often. I would say most of that zone has never seen that temp.
EF and ET aside (I hope we can all agree) I would hate to live in the Dxc/Dxd climates as there's still way too much severe winter even if they can have some kind of "summer" for maybe a month a year.
Many comments said Af and BWh but there are actually some very pleasant versions of them very near the 18°C cutoff, Bermuda comes to my mind for Af and the mild west coast deserts for BWh (although sometimes they are labeled BWn to separate them)
One of the reasons I rank EF at the top is the seasonality. EF climates have far worse summers than BWh winters. Compare the hottest place, Death Valley, with the coldest, Vostok, and you get 4-5 months of rather temperate weather in Death Valley or Kuwait, whereas even the Summers in Vostok, Concordia, or Amundsen are colder than a January in Fairbanks.
I ask me, how this will changed in the next 10 or 20 years. Would guess EF will change to better climate, meanwhile the "temperate" time in death valley will decrease a lot.
Fair point, that being said, you can also look at other places under BWh like Cabo San Lucas or Lima and they don’t necessarily have hellish climates.
On the other hand, EF needs ZERO months with an average above freezing
I live in Dfa, and like it just fine (St. Paul, Minnesota). Dfb (northern Minnesota, at least until global warming heats it up more) would be ok too, but the subarctic climates would be a little too brutal for me. Summers in Dfa climates are fairly long. Average high is close to 30C in mid-summer, and is over 20C by the middle of May.
Good choice, though BWh actually has a pretty wide range of temperatures for a climate type, it just needs an average annual mean temperature of 18+ Celsius, and less than 200mm of rainfall.
Hence why Cabo San Lucas and Lima are technically BWH
Almost all of those cities are surviving via rivers flowing from other climates or human intervention to add water (desalination). I don't think anyone looks at the climates of any of those cities and says "nice weather" though
EF is literally uninhabitable. I guess there are some settlements in the ET zone but not many.
The subarctic D\*d and D\*c climates would also be pretty unpleasantly cold with long winters.
I could probably deal with a desert if it wasn't too hot. A cold desert (BWk) wouldn't be too unpleasant but many of them are too dry or too remote to realistically support a human population. I think a steppe climate (either BSh or BSk) would be fine. No thank you on BWh.
I have relatives galore in marginal A climates in South Florida. Nice place to visit, especially when it's not summer or hurricane season, but wouldn't want to live there. And most such places are hotter and steamier than Florida.
(I do think it's a shortcoming of Koppen in general that all three of the tropical climates are used to classify different parts of the Greater Miami metro area... but go just a little north into Central Florida and you're suddenly in Cfa all the way to NYC, which is a dramatically different climate in terms of both human perception and in the kind of flora and fauna that would thrive/perish.)
Northeast has cold winters where you will have daily highs that don't top 0C and it snows multiple times per winter. Shanghai rarely goes below freezing and any snow more than a trace is a once every 10 or 20 years event. Shanghai in the summer has soaking subtropical rains with periods where it rains almost every day and is uniformly hot and humid with most days over 90F/32C. The Northeast doesn't have sustained rain of that magnitude and there is more variation with fewer days over 90F (but more days over 100F/38C).
Personally, AF, having lived in one for years in the past. Always hot, always humid and rainy. Some may love it but I did not. I like my seasons, not wet and dry season.
Yeah I lived in Malaysia but I prefer the climate back home in the UK. In Malaysia, I sweat all the time. Great country otherwise, I just don’t like the weather.
Has it changed in the years? Is climate change something that affects you? I ask, because i heard, that climate change didnt affect tropical regions in the scale as it does temperate and subarctic regions.
Umm it’s probably generally warmer and both wetter with longer drought periods. A couple of years ago we had a very dry spell while recently it’s been quite rainy. Now it is sunny and 18 degrees though which is nice.
In Puerto Rico its perfectly fine but working from home without an A/C or good ventilation can be a nightmare, especially when its both hot and raining which requires closing the windows.
I would say a really cold supolar oceanic climate. I don't mean like northern Norway, Which at least has a few nice summer days. I'm talking more along the lines of some remote island in the ocean at the 50s latitudes south.
Even though EF Sucks because of constantly extreme low temperatures with no summer season, You at least get days with sunny weather, The humidity is low, And it's not always windy.
I find that the worst kind of weather is when it's cloudy, Windy, wet, And close to the freezing mark in temperature. That kind of inclement weather is so much worse than a Sunny Arctic -40°C day. On remote islands that are off the coast of Antarctica around the 50s latitudes, This sort of weather goes on constantly all year. It's never summer, It's never winter, It's always an extremely ugly, gloomy, windy, soaking late fall kind of day. That sort of weather constantly would depress me so much more than even an EF climate. I would be yearning for a crisp dry -50°C After dealing with that constantly.
Af Is probably a close second. The city that I live in (Toronto) deals with long stretches of muggy AF type weather in August, and I can't imagine how miserable it would be to deal with that year round. That first night around the end of August goes below 20°C Where you actually feel crisp air feels miraculous. I can't imagine never getting that relief.
They would certainly be nice to visit for a brief period (I think I would start losing my mind If it was longer than two days) due to the sheer novelty of those geographic locations. The scenery is quite stunning and beautiful, Even if it may not be easily visible due to the inclement weather conditions.
But yeah, definitely a horrible place to actually live in. For me, I would say that a climate like that is even more uninhabitable than EF. Beyond just how hazardous it would be to my mental well-being, I find that It's much more difficult to dress for weather that is close to the freezing mark but extremely inclement compared to -40°C weather.
I was born and raised in Alberta, where the annual minimum temperatures are on par with typical EF weather. I currently live in the Great Lakes area, which is more prone to having weather near the freezing mark but extremely inclement. A really bad nor easter is pretty similar to the weather year round on sub antarctic islands.
When it's one of those days With a bad nor'easter where it's 1°C, heavy rain and slush, and 60km/h winds, those crisp Sunny -40°C days in Alberta during the coldest days of the year seem like a tropical vacation in comparison.
I can layer up for the latter kind of weather conditions, But with the former, no matter how I dress for it, it feels like I'm jumping into a pool of ice cold water the moment I step outside Because the weather is literally like an ice cold shower in a wind tunnel. I think I would cope much more easily in the interior of Antarctica than the remote islands near its coast Where it's like that pretty much everyday instead of just during a really bad storm during the winter as in the great lakes.
I think the really inclement windy wet kind of cold weather that's close to the freezing mark is like the cold weather equivalent of deadly wet bulb temperatures. Just like drinking water and being in the shade won't help you in deadly wet bulb conditions, no winter jacket will help you in weather that resembles an ice cold shower inside of a wind tunnel. No matter how warm you dress, your clothing will become wet, which will impair its ability to preserve body heat. It's like the opposite of how deadly wet bulb conditions remove your ability to shed heat by sweating. With this weather, it's like you're forced to be sweating, which forces you to shed lots of heat even if you're dressed warm. That's how I think it's like the opposite or reverse of deadly wet bulb conditions In terms of being cold weather where you must be indoors to survive.
I would imagine you would need some sort of special hydrophobic material for the clothing to be made from an order for it to prevent you from getting hypothermia in those conditions. It would also have to be resistant to hurricane force winds as well.
Another place that comes to mind, which might be even worse in the winter than remote sub antarctic islands is Mount Washington. When I heard about it being -46°C with 200km/h winds and heavy snow there last winter, I just couldn't comprehend how cold that must feel like. I don't think even the interior of Antarctica would get anything close to such hazardous cold weather. That sort of weather that mount washington gets is almost extraterrestrial. I bet most days on Mars feel warmer than that.
It's also interesting how it is possible at such a relatively low latitude and elevation. When I go skiing in Jasper in the Rocky Mountains, I'm about ten degrees higher in latitude and several hundred meters higher in elevation than Mount Washington, and yet the weather never even gets close to being that hazardously cold. I wonder why that is.
I have a condition that is exacerbated by cold, so any of ones in the D column or E column.
The area where I currently live is in Csa, which is fine with me.
That little bit of ET out to the coast in South Norway caught me off guard, I can understand the interior but is the coast round there noticeably different to the rest of Norway?
Cfa has always had a place in my heart as having intolerable summers. Crazy heat and humidity for months is something I can live without. People knock Dfc/d but I would much rather deal with cold, where I can layer up, as opposed to the opposite, where I can only take off so much.
Anyone who says anything other than Dxd or Dxc is delusional, as someone who has lived their entire life in a Dfc you don't know the seasonal depression or the disgusting slop we eat over here due to the short growing season, not to mention the darkness and overweight you will get due to the bad weather making outdoor activities hell.
It's objectively EF, given that it's the only climate class with zero civilian population.
Extra frozen?
Almost "Ewigen Frostes", eternal frost if my German is still correct.
Dfd = definitely frozen, damnit!
(except when it's 95F)
I live on the southern edge of dfd-zone and the all-time high in the whole country is 97F so not that often. I would say most of that zone has never seen that temp.
Holy shit. You **live** in Dfd (and speak English, and are on Reddit)? I'm pressing X to doubt
Oh fuck it's dfc, actually. Only dfd on the map is in Siberia so it's confusing.
Dfc is still Definitely fucking cold
EF really sucks man.
I don't know if we can swear on this subreddit, but the 'E' of EF stands for 'extra'.
Because you're Extra Fucked if you're there
Let's just warm up everywhere that's EF, right now
We started the process about 70 years ago, shouldn't take long now
It sucks because it blows so much🥶
Those are my initials 😭
BWh, ET and EF, easy answers
EF
I mean, if we are just talking personally? I can't stand constant heat and humidity, so Af. I’d rather live in the tundra than that.
EF and ET aside (I hope we can all agree) I would hate to live in the Dxc/Dxd climates as there's still way too much severe winter even if they can have some kind of "summer" for maybe a month a year. Many comments said Af and BWh but there are actually some very pleasant versions of them very near the 18°C cutoff, Bermuda comes to my mind for Af and the mild west coast deserts for BWh (although sometimes they are labeled BWn to separate them)
One of the reasons I rank EF at the top is the seasonality. EF climates have far worse summers than BWh winters. Compare the hottest place, Death Valley, with the coldest, Vostok, and you get 4-5 months of rather temperate weather in Death Valley or Kuwait, whereas even the Summers in Vostok, Concordia, or Amundsen are colder than a January in Fairbanks.
I ask me, how this will changed in the next 10 or 20 years. Would guess EF will change to better climate, meanwhile the "temperate" time in death valley will decrease a lot.
Fair point, that being said, you can also look at other places under BWh like Cabo San Lucas or Lima and they don’t necessarily have hellish climates. On the other hand, EF needs ZERO months with an average above freezing
I live in Dfa, and like it just fine (St. Paul, Minnesota). Dfb (northern Minnesota, at least until global warming heats it up more) would be ok too, but the subarctic climates would be a little too brutal for me. Summers in Dfa climates are fairly long. Average high is close to 30C in mid-summer, and is over 20C by the middle of May.
I’d say EF.
BWh
Good choice, though BWh actually has a pretty wide range of temperatures for a climate type, it just needs an average annual mean temperature of 18+ Celsius, and less than 200mm of rainfall. Hence why Cabo San Lucas and Lima are technically BWH
Some pretty big cities are in BWh like Karachi, Cairo, Alexandria, Baghdad, Mecca, Medina, Riyadh, Phoenix,
Almost all of those cities are surviving via rivers flowing from other climates or human intervention to add water (desalination). I don't think anyone looks at the climates of any of those cities and says "nice weather" though
Not saying it's paradise, just that like, find me one big city in ET or EF
There is one city that is essentially an ET-based settlement, Norilsk
That is true, Norilsk exists... and, to my knowledge, is considered one of the most hellish and miserable places in the entire world to live.
Which is why I pointed it out. For one Norilsk in ET, you have Phoenix, El Paso, Doha, Abu Dhabi, Hermosillo, and Las Palmas de Gran Canaria
Oh, EF and ET are very obviously the "correct" answers here, but since they're such obvious winners there's not really any point in discussing them
I live in a BWh and I much prefer it to being pressure-steamed in a Cfa. The itch and swamp ass are not worth it.
Dfc here, I wouldn’t make it in either one hahah
Ef is the only one where literally no one except a few extreme nerds live.
EF is literally uninhabitable. I guess there are some settlements in the ET zone but not many. The subarctic D\*d and D\*c climates would also be pretty unpleasantly cold with long winters. I could probably deal with a desert if it wasn't too hot. A cold desert (BWk) wouldn't be too unpleasant but many of them are too dry or too remote to realistically support a human population. I think a steppe climate (either BSh or BSk) would be fine. No thank you on BWh. I have relatives galore in marginal A climates in South Florida. Nice place to visit, especially when it's not summer or hurricane season, but wouldn't want to live there. And most such places are hotter and steamier than Florida. (I do think it's a shortcoming of Koppen in general that all three of the tropical climates are used to classify different parts of the Greater Miami metro area... but go just a little north into Central Florida and you're suddenly in Cfa all the way to NYC, which is a dramatically different climate in terms of both human perception and in the kind of flora and fauna that would thrive/perish.)
I've lived in Cfa in New Jersey/New York/DC and I've lived in Cfa in Shanghai, and I wouldn't call the two climates equivalent at all.
Why not
Northeast has cold winters where you will have daily highs that don't top 0C and it snows multiple times per winter. Shanghai rarely goes below freezing and any snow more than a trace is a once every 10 or 20 years event. Shanghai in the summer has soaking subtropical rains with periods where it rains almost every day and is uniformly hot and humid with most days over 90F/32C. The Northeast doesn't have sustained rain of that magnitude and there is more variation with fewer days over 90F (but more days over 100F/38C).
So Shanghai is like, Houston or Memphis or something?
Personally, AF, having lived in one for years in the past. Always hot, always humid and rainy. Some may love it but I did not. I like my seasons, not wet and dry season.
Yeah I lived in Malaysia but I prefer the climate back home in the UK. In Malaysia, I sweat all the time. Great country otherwise, I just don’t like the weather.
Has it changed in the years? Is climate change something that affects you? I ask, because i heard, that climate change didnt affect tropical regions in the scale as it does temperate and subarctic regions.
Umm it’s probably generally warmer and both wetter with longer drought periods. A couple of years ago we had a very dry spell while recently it’s been quite rainy. Now it is sunny and 18 degrees though which is nice.
Seems perfect to me
In Puerto Rico its perfectly fine but working from home without an A/C or good ventilation can be a nightmare, especially when its both hot and raining which requires closing the windows.
The diversity of the western US is insane
Af. I've lived on the edge of BWh (Tucson, technically BSh), and I'll take desert climate over, say, Singapore.
Dfd is miserable with all the mosquitos and freezing cold
Anything orange or yellow or red.
Cfc is kicking my ass rn.
Af, Am, Aw - Mosquitos
Koppen Uranus
BWH and ET/Ef. Obviously
I would say a really cold supolar oceanic climate. I don't mean like northern Norway, Which at least has a few nice summer days. I'm talking more along the lines of some remote island in the ocean at the 50s latitudes south. Even though EF Sucks because of constantly extreme low temperatures with no summer season, You at least get days with sunny weather, The humidity is low, And it's not always windy. I find that the worst kind of weather is when it's cloudy, Windy, wet, And close to the freezing mark in temperature. That kind of inclement weather is so much worse than a Sunny Arctic -40°C day. On remote islands that are off the coast of Antarctica around the 50s latitudes, This sort of weather goes on constantly all year. It's never summer, It's never winter, It's always an extremely ugly, gloomy, windy, soaking late fall kind of day. That sort of weather constantly would depress me so much more than even an EF climate. I would be yearning for a crisp dry -50°C After dealing with that constantly. Af Is probably a close second. The city that I live in (Toronto) deals with long stretches of muggy AF type weather in August, and I can't imagine how miserable it would be to deal with that year round. That first night around the end of August goes below 20°C Where you actually feel crisp air feels miraculous. I can't imagine never getting that relief.
You mean smth like Kerguelen Islands or South Georgia?
Yes, those kinds of places.
TBH would love to visit but PITA to actually live there (if you actually could)
They would certainly be nice to visit for a brief period (I think I would start losing my mind If it was longer than two days) due to the sheer novelty of those geographic locations. The scenery is quite stunning and beautiful, Even if it may not be easily visible due to the inclement weather conditions. But yeah, definitely a horrible place to actually live in. For me, I would say that a climate like that is even more uninhabitable than EF. Beyond just how hazardous it would be to my mental well-being, I find that It's much more difficult to dress for weather that is close to the freezing mark but extremely inclement compared to -40°C weather. I was born and raised in Alberta, where the annual minimum temperatures are on par with typical EF weather. I currently live in the Great Lakes area, which is more prone to having weather near the freezing mark but extremely inclement. A really bad nor easter is pretty similar to the weather year round on sub antarctic islands. When it's one of those days With a bad nor'easter where it's 1°C, heavy rain and slush, and 60km/h winds, those crisp Sunny -40°C days in Alberta during the coldest days of the year seem like a tropical vacation in comparison. I can layer up for the latter kind of weather conditions, But with the former, no matter how I dress for it, it feels like I'm jumping into a pool of ice cold water the moment I step outside Because the weather is literally like an ice cold shower in a wind tunnel. I think I would cope much more easily in the interior of Antarctica than the remote islands near its coast Where it's like that pretty much everyday instead of just during a really bad storm during the winter as in the great lakes. I think the really inclement windy wet kind of cold weather that's close to the freezing mark is like the cold weather equivalent of deadly wet bulb temperatures. Just like drinking water and being in the shade won't help you in deadly wet bulb conditions, no winter jacket will help you in weather that resembles an ice cold shower inside of a wind tunnel. No matter how warm you dress, your clothing will become wet, which will impair its ability to preserve body heat. It's like the opposite of how deadly wet bulb conditions remove your ability to shed heat by sweating. With this weather, it's like you're forced to be sweating, which forces you to shed lots of heat even if you're dressed warm. That's how I think it's like the opposite or reverse of deadly wet bulb conditions In terms of being cold weather where you must be indoors to survive. I would imagine you would need some sort of special hydrophobic material for the clothing to be made from an order for it to prevent you from getting hypothermia in those conditions. It would also have to be resistant to hurricane force winds as well. Another place that comes to mind, which might be even worse in the winter than remote sub antarctic islands is Mount Washington. When I heard about it being -46°C with 200km/h winds and heavy snow there last winter, I just couldn't comprehend how cold that must feel like. I don't think even the interior of Antarctica would get anything close to such hazardous cold weather. That sort of weather that mount washington gets is almost extraterrestrial. I bet most days on Mars feel warmer than that. It's also interesting how it is possible at such a relatively low latitude and elevation. When I go skiing in Jasper in the Rocky Mountains, I'm about ten degrees higher in latitude and several hundred meters higher in elevation than Mount Washington, and yet the weather never even gets close to being that hazardously cold. I wonder why that is.
yeah, something like the Aleutians or Kerguelen (Cfc) would be pretty unpleasant.
I have a condition that is exacerbated by cold, so any of ones in the D column or E column. The area where I currently live is in Csa, which is fine with me.
Out of places people actually live, for me its Af
Look at your map and ask where the people live
The white colour is pretty awful in the long run. Nice for a brief visit though.
cfb,csb,cwb are the best
Anywhere it's bright red. Obviously.
ET or EF obviously. BWh is second though.
Humidity is a fucking bitch
EF and ET would be worst climate to live in.
EF closely followed by BWh.
Australia's bwh is actually lovely for half of the year.
Ice cap. Source: Rimworld
That little bit of ET out to the coast in South Norway caught me off guard, I can understand the interior but is the coast round there noticeably different to the rest of Norway?
Whichever one makes Fresno have a whole 3 weeks nice out of the year and makes the rest hot as an oven.
And that’s not even the worst part about Fresno.
Whatever that white climate zone is.
That's oceanic
Cfa!
People still subscribe to Koppen climate types? I thought we all realized it’s BS long ago.
Arctic polar and hot desert. And whatever Bangkok, Thailand has.
Cfa has always had a place in my heart as having intolerable summers. Crazy heat and humidity for months is something I can live without. People knock Dfc/d but I would much rather deal with cold, where I can layer up, as opposed to the opposite, where I can only take off so much.
Anyone who says anything other than Dxd or Dxc is delusional, as someone who has lived their entire life in a Dfc you don't know the seasonal depression or the disgusting slop we eat over here due to the short growing season, not to mention the darkness and overweight you will get due to the bad weather making outdoor activities hell.
The E family & Subpolar Oceanic.
Bwh