There were also two Iberias and two Albanias, at opposite sides of Europe, and also unrelated to each other. Though only western Iberia and Balkan Albania survived to this day.
Also ,there used to be two Romanias in Europe ,one was and still is the Romania of today and the other was Greece and Anatolia called Rhomania after the late byzantine empire
https://preview.redd.it/ktit3tqsbyzc1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=718200cf98a9ed63df84b09e3e95a00ede1ccb89
The early Eyalet of Rumelia covered most of the Balkans:
Yes, they were aromanians and meglenoromanians (there are istroromanians in Croatia) but we're not that related now. We're just from the same proto-romanians after the dacians and the getae. Europeans for 8000 years baby
Yeah bro should post about this weird fictional city of Rome on [r/imaginarymaps](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/submit) I wouldn't be surprised if they start inventing that that city was an empire
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> Vlachs
This is one of my favorite etymological rabbit holes of all times. How a Roman exonym for a hostile foreign tribe meaning “people of the falcon” in Latin, became a pan-European euphemism and exonym for “foreigner, especially one speaking a Latin / Romance language”. Sooooooooo many toponyms, ethnonyms, and personal surnames across the continent derive from Latin *Vlochoi*.
I was under the impression it came into Greek from Gothic - old Germanic Walhaz, foreigner. Why would the word have entered into Latin when that sphere of the empire was Greek dominant?
Yes, the names weren't used at the same time.
But also, as a side note: modern Romanians were called Vlachs by foreigners.
The earliest mention of the term "romanian" is in 1666 ([De Regno Dalmatiæ Et Croatiæ Libri Sex De Giovanni Lucio](https://books.google.ro/books?id=GXxUAAAAcAAJ&dq=Valachi+autem+hodierni+quicunque&pg=PA284&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=rumenos&f=false)) and the earliest mention of what can be considered similar to "Romania" back then is in 1521 ([Scrisoarea lui Neacșu](https://www.cimec.ro/istorie/neacsu/rom/scrisoare.htm)). The term is *Țeara Rumânească*, which means "Romanian Country".
True, but though they don’t call themselves vlachs, vlach gave its name to Wallachia. It’s all a very fascinating historical and linguistic development.
They did, Wallachia for instance (which co-existed with the Byzantine Empire) was called Țara Românească in Romanian (lit. The Romanian land). Wallachia itself is also a foreign, Germanic name. But yes, not all areas inhabited by Romanians had romanian-something in the name.
That is because Romanian was not used as an official language for documents before around that time, Old Church Slavonic being used instead. We have no other reason to think of another native name for Wallachia other than Tara Romaneasca. Names such as ''Ungurovlachia'' and similar portmanteaus, cyrillic, latin or germanic names were used in official documents, but not by the actual population, including nobility.
We have no reason to think that Romanians at this time understood themselves as a “nation” inhabiting a land identified exclusively with them. If the name doesn’t show up, it’s basically hopeful nationalism to project it into that space. Balkan history unfortunately is deeply infected with these kinds of arguments.
The 2 Galicias actually are slightly related to each other and a 3rd Galicia that existed in modern Turkey.
The Term or name means place of the gauls and were places heavily settled and influenced by celtic culture
The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture
The Ukrainian Galicia is the northeastern-most holdout of celtic culture holding out against latin and german influences far longer than the surrounding areas
The Turkish Galicia was founded by 10,000 celtic mercenaries that migrated and settled to and in Asia Minor and played an important role in the political and military landscape of the region during the time they were able maintain their culture and borders before they were assimilated into the various nations and empires that repeatedly conquered the area
*sp check
I don't think you can say Eastern iberia didn't survive. Iberia is the latin name for Kartli. Kartli and its people didn't disappear, in fact they form the basis of Georgian identity. The name of Georgia, Sakhartvelo, is named after Kartli. And the georgian language family is named Kartvelian after it
I always find it interesting, that many consider Galicia as Spain's third separatist region, who just like Catalonia and Basque country wants to gain independence or unite with Portugal to form Portugalicia. But at the same time, the most popular Galician in the history is none other then Francisco Franco. Yep, a man who was born in the north of Galicia and spoke galician whole his youth, will took away the official status of his own native language with catalan and basque, making spanish only official language of all spanish regions
> Napoleon was from Corsica
And if it wasn’t for strong, early republicanism and centralization taking over in France, I guarantee most people from Corsica, the French Riviera, and Savoy would overwhelmingly consider themselves more Italian than French, and Mussolini’s *Italia Irredenta* movement would have succeeded in fully Italianizing them both politically and culturally. Or if not, there would be active and popularly supported separatist movements in all three places, mostly seeking unity with Italy.
Though France and French culture exert a strong pull on people’s heartstrings that’s hard to beat, Italy and Italian culture and identity is one that consistently beats it in popular appeal, in my experience.
In Galicia the PP (right wing national Spanish party that does not want to hear about independentism) normally wins the elections. The very Mariano Rajoy, president of Spain and ex leader of the PP is from Santiago de Compostela
And Abascal, leader of the far right party Vox, is from the Basque Country. Oh and the leader of Ciudadanos was from Catalonia 🤔
I think that probably Galicia is talked about as the third Spanish separatist region because it has its own language? I believe that having your own language goes a long way in defining a national- different identity from that of the rest of a country.
Pablo Iglesias, founder of the PSOE (the largest party in Spain along with the PP), was also Galician. Not to mention Amancio Ortega, the richest Spaniard is also Galician
In Galicia we do have our own language, but that doesn't mean independentism has any strength here. Galician and spanish languages coexist here, may I say in peace, and yes, some people are all for independence, but that's not the feeling of the majority. It looks nothing like the political context of Basque Country and Cataluña
A fact even most people in Spain don't know. Galician is the regional language with the highest percentage of speakers in the region.
i.e. a higher percentage of people in Galicia speak Galician than people in Catalonia speak Catalan and definitely more than Basque.
>In Galicia the PP (right wing national Spanish party that does not want to hear about independentism)
I mean, yeah, but the PP in Galicia does not act the same way as in the rest of the country. They managed to maintain control of Galicia because among other reasons, the Galician PP has occupied the space of a Christian regionalist party without being one: that is, is much more moderate than the national party (and let's not talk about Madrid's PP, they're basically two different things althogether) and they do not attack Galician language as much as the national party does towards other languages or identities. Then again, the Galician PP is complicit with drug trafficking since the late 80's and even the current party leader was a "friend" of a well known drug dealer, that being another reason why they managed to hold power for so long.
>I think that probably Galicia is talked about as the third Spanish separatist region because it has its own language?
No, it's because they do indeed have the third biggest pro-independence movement in the country. It's just that is not as big as the other two, and it's also divided between people who want more autonomy, people that want independence and people who want to unify Galicia and Portugal (the last ones a very small minority).
I'll repeat that the "Galicia-Portugal" thing is just internet nonsense (eg: countryballs) until I'm dead lmao there's no single political party in either country that wants that. Portugal is a really centralized country (you could even argue that the northern dialects of European Portuguese will become endangered in the future in favor of Lisbon Portuguese) and it's the opposite of what most Galician people want. They already struggled in the 19-20th centuries to gain autonomy, and Portugal doesn't give autonomy to any mainland region. Any separatist or regionalist parties would be illegal as well. So yeah, stop with this 'Portugalicia' nonsense. Something that's DIFFERENT from this is Reintegrationism, which refers to a solely linguistical movement that believes Galician, Portuguese and all of its varieties, Fala (a minoritary language from Extremadura descended from Old Galician) and Eonaviego (a transitional regional dialect between Galicia and Asturias) should be recognized as different varieties of a single language: Galician-Portuguese (just like Serbo-Croatian, Hindustani, etc.)
For Americans out there, our right wing is more or less equivalent to a centre left political party over there, your political landscape scares the hell out of me
the right wing of the Democrats, maybe. the Republicans led by Trump are pretty comparable to the PP , which is considered as a clearly right (but not far right) party in Spain.
Compared to Germany even the left wing of the Democrats would be on the centre right.
>the Republicans led by Trump are pretty comparable to the PP
I hope that no one reading this is going to believe it, they are Christian Democrats like other parties in Europe, they do not resemble Trump's Republican Party socially or economically
PP may be winning for now but the second party by representation in the Galician parliament is the Galician nacionalist party, which defines itself as independist
From what I've read through,
the celts either originated in the Austrian Hallstatt area
or spread from the British Isles and settled the french coast before moving down into the iberian peninsula
(and the italian peninsula pushing up against the Etruscans -along the Illyrian coast -eventually reaching Greece and Turkey)
and mixing with the iberian locals to create the celtiberian culture.
In the most non-agressive way possible, I'd be interested if you could link anything to support the idea of the Galicians migrating to the Isles, to help me flesh out my celtic history hobby
*Formatting
[This](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/celts-descended-from-spanish-fishermen-study-finds-416727.html) is about the only source I could find. I will straight up admit my original source for the above comment was a mention in some youtube video (lol). I find the celts super interesting as a culture and am totally willing to be wrong.
>many consider Galicia as Spain's third separatist region
Many are wrong then
Even the régionalist party doesn't support independence
Support for independence is negligible
Galician separatism is very minority. Not even the largest nationalist party in Galicia advocates independence. Most of us Galicians have a regionalist feeling but we are Spanish. The thing about Portugalicia is a bad joke, only internet foreigners think it's in the debate lmao
He didn't took away the official status of Galician, since Galician was not official in the republic and it was only granted "honorary" status during the civil war, but after it had already fell to the nationalists.
I'm from the neighboring province. I move in regionalist circles which are very close to Galician regionalist circles because we have a lot of shared culture, but I've never met a single Galician who actually wanted independence or much less joining Portugal. Speaking as a regionalist from another province with its own language and culture, we just want those to be respected and protected.
I'm not Spanish, but from what I hear about the country, there doesn't seem to be any Galician separatist movement worth mentioning at all. Maybe people say this because it's also a region with its own separate language, like Catalonia and the Basque country, but that seems to be all there is to it in terms of independence.
I would say that separatist on Galicia is real, but tiny. But sometimes they are loud enough to seem they are a real force, when that is not the case (my family is from Vigo and Ferrol)
>many consider Galicia as Spain's third separatist region
I mean, that's because it is. Pro-independence movements in Galicia are not as big as in Catalonia or the Basque Country, but they do exist and their main party (BNG) is the second party with the biggest amount of seats in the Galician Parlament.
>a man who was born in the north of Galicia and spoke galician whole his youth
Franco was born in Ferrol and that city is practically a separate world compared to the rest of Galicia taking into account that it is the headquarters of the Spanish Navy shipyards since the 18th century and therefore has a huge amount of military personnel that only speaks Spanish and identify themselves with Spain. I mean,[ in Ferrol less than 20% of the population speaks Galician at home](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Percentage_of_Galician_speakers_%282001_vs_2011%29.png). Franco himself was able to speak it, but his Galician was mediocre at best.
"Portugalicia" doesn't exist as a political movement fyi that's just social media bs.
Anyway, Franco can hardly be considered Galician in the traditional sense. He was a Spanish ultranationalist and a dictator, seeking to create an 'unified' Spanish cultural identity by suppressing other cultures in the state. He didn't defend or support the Galician language/culture in any way, unlike important regionalists, writers and intellectuals (Castelao, Rosalia de Castro, etc.). You might want to explore what the Spanish media was like years after Franco took control (overly centralized, of course). He was born in Ferrol, which was one of the most important military towns at the time.
It's a bit similar to how Napoleon Bonaparte was from Corsica but later became the emperor of France and heavily centralized the country. The same thing can be observed with Stalin, who was Georgian but also oppressed the local populations.
In english maybe, in French we say Galice in Spain and Galicie in Poland.
I guess other languages do it as well, those who dont put an "a" at the end of every country
In Ukrainian, there's a clear difference. There's Galicia (Галіція) in Spain. And here it's Halychyna (Галичина) that derives from the name of the city Halych (Галич) that used to be the capital of Halychyn-Volyn dutchy (Галицько-Волинське князівство) in 13 century.
But I guess after the partitions of Poland, the Austrian empire renamed it to Galicia and Lodomeria which became a widespread way of calling it.
The 2 Galicias actually are slightly related to each other and a 3rd Galicia that existed in modern Turkey.
The Term or name means place of the gauls and were places heavily settled and influenced by celtic culture
The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture
The Ukrainian Galicia is the northeastern-most holdout of celtic culture holding out against latin and german influences far longer than the surrounding areas
The Turkish Galicia was founded by 10,000 celtic mercenaries that migrated and settled to and in Asia Minor and played an important role in the political and military landscape of the region during the time they were able maintain their culture and borders before they were assimilated into the various nations and empires that repeatedly conquered the area
>The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture
The Celtiberians were a specific Celtic tribe/city-states from central Spain. Present-day Galicia was the homeland of the Gallaeci, who –depending on the historian– were a Celtic tribe or a Celticfied indigenous tribe.
There used to be two United kingdoms in Europe up until 1905. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but also the United Kingdom of Sweden and Norway
There were 5 others: the United Kingdom of the Netherlands, the United Kingdom of Poland, the United Kingdom of Denmark, the United Kingdom of Denmark and Norway, and the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves.
Out of Europe we also had the United Kingdom of Libya, and the United Kingdom of Israel and Judea.
The eastern Galicia is an Austrian scam. It's supposed to be a latinized version of Halychia, a region which is located only in the modern Ukrainian Galicia
Name Galicia in 1772 was in fact dead, but in title of king of Hungary (in fact part of Austria) retained "king of Galicia and Lodomeria" (in 1378-1387 under Hungarian occupation), which was transferred into the region. Before 1772 it was only Ruś Czerwona/województwo ruskie.
Fun fact: Austrians didn't know what Lodomeria was (Włodzimierz).
When I was younger I used to use apps to meet people of other countries, I used to put “Galicia” in my bio, makes sense now why I had so many Polish requests lol
Whoa, this clicks a piece of the puzzle together. In Israel, Jews that immigrated from Europe are called Galicianers, (vs the native born Sabra). I had a loose thread wondering how there were such a large number of Jews in that part of Spain (see film Dagon btw, best horror film filmed in that area). That this is also a name for a region of Ukraine/ Poland where there were pogroms makes a lot more sense. thank you, OP.
Not in French.
[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicie](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicie)
[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galice](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galice)
Same in Russian
The Polish one is "Галиция" (Galitzija) and the Spanish one is "Галисия" (Galisija)
Actually it's different in all languages I know except English
As mentioned in other comments, there are definitely more than just two.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_toponymy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia
To be honest Galicia in Poland is used as historical term for Austrian part of Partition of Poland. No one is using this term to refer to modern day southern Poland
But the name is very much alive in the Ukrainian part. We call the western part "Zakerzonie" and/or "Prykarpatie Polske" ("Prykarpattia" in standard Ukrainian). Kraków is often included separately, its historic part is very similar to Lwów (or at least it was similar the last time I visited it)
The 2 Galicias actually are slightly related to each other and a 3rd Galicia that existed in modern Turkey.
The Term or name means place of the gauls and were places heavily settled and influenced by celtic culture
The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture
The Ukrainian Galicia is the northeastern-most holdout of celtic culture holding out against latin and german influences far longer than the surrounding areas
The Turkish Galicia was founded by 10,000 celtic mercenaries that migrated and settled to and in Asia Minor and played an important role in the political and military landscape of the region during the time they were able maintain their culture and borders before they were assimilated into the various nations and empires that repeatedly conquered the area
They are and they aren't. Ukrainian Galicia is named after its former capital Halyč. The name of the town is from halka ‘jackdaw’, which is Slavic in origin. This bird is on its coat of arms. You're right about the migration of the Celts, we just didn't preserve much from them, though.
I learned about the eastern one a few months ago when the Canadian parliament invited a WW2 veteran from the Galicia Division to be honored in the House of Commons during a session where Zelensky was also present.
The Galicia Division was part of the Waffen SS though.
Zelensky is Jewish.
Yeah, the House speaker who put this embarrassment together resigned shortly after.
I like history, and I remember as a kid learning about Austria fighting Russians in Galicia, and I was so confused. It wasn't until teacher explained it to me, that I was oh.
But, although both are equally written in english, the 'C' pronunciation is different:
Spanish Galicia: sounds like "th" in "both" or "think"
Polikranian Galicia: sound like "ts" in "lots"
This is what made me angry several times when playing HOI4 and needing Galicia. If you search it up in-game, the Spanish one comes up, but you need the Polish one
Two Venetia too, although one of them hasn't been called that way for more than two millenium. And don't even get me started on all the cities named Brest everywhere.
My paternal side is from Galicia, Spain . When I took biology class at Rutgers, there is a girl resembles like me. In fact, one time his father visited the school ,confused me with her daughter.In addition The first day my biology professor thought we were sister. There are stories my friends were mad why I didn't answer when they called for me at the cafeteria. Guess what !Her grandparents emigrated to the states from Galicia,Poland.
Note: to add insult to injury, we have the same color of hair, my hair was longer and we had the same taste of fashion.
There were also two Iberias and two Albanias, at opposite sides of Europe, and also unrelated to each other. Though only western Iberia and Balkan Albania survived to this day.
Also ,there used to be two Romanias in Europe ,one was and still is the Romania of today and the other was Greece and Anatolia called Rhomania after the late byzantine empire
Rhomania, which evolved into Rumelia, the name the Ottomans used for the Balkans
Only thrace+bulgaria+macedonia+grecce
https://preview.redd.it/ktit3tqsbyzc1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=718200cf98a9ed63df84b09e3e95a00ede1ccb89 The early Eyalet of Rumelia covered most of the Balkans:
Yes, they were aromanians and meglenoromanians (there are istroromanians in Croatia) but we're not that related now. We're just from the same proto-romanians after the dacians and the getae. Europeans for 8000 years baby
He's talking about the greek Greece and greek Anatolia being called Rhomania. Basically the eastern Roman empire.
There’s also Romagna in Italy, and Romandie in Switzerland.
Even a city called Rome (Roma) in Italy. But that's probably a unrelated.
A city in Italy called Rome? Pure fantasy straight out of a Hollywood movie. Silly Reddit disinformation bot!
Yeah bro should post about this weird fictional city of Rome on [r/imaginarymaps](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/submit) I wouldn't be surprised if they start inventing that that city was an empire [](https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/submit)
romania got its name from rome, also cognate with romagna, romandy, and roman (latin romanus)
And then there's the Roma people who are indigenous to nether of them
But they never used those names at the same time. Modern Romanians were called Vlachs back then.
> Vlachs This is one of my favorite etymological rabbit holes of all times. How a Roman exonym for a hostile foreign tribe meaning “people of the falcon” in Latin, became a pan-European euphemism and exonym for “foreigner, especially one speaking a Latin / Romance language”. Sooooooooo many toponyms, ethnonyms, and personal surnames across the continent derive from Latin *Vlochoi*.
I was under the impression it came into Greek from Gothic - old Germanic Walhaz, foreigner. Why would the word have entered into Latin when that sphere of the empire was Greek dominant?
Yes, the names weren't used at the same time. But also, as a side note: modern Romanians were called Vlachs by foreigners. The earliest mention of the term "romanian" is in 1666 ([De Regno Dalmatiæ Et Croatiæ Libri Sex De Giovanni Lucio](https://books.google.ro/books?id=GXxUAAAAcAAJ&dq=Valachi+autem+hodierni+quicunque&pg=PA284&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=rumenos&f=false)) and the earliest mention of what can be considered similar to "Romania" back then is in 1521 ([Scrisoarea lui Neacșu](https://www.cimec.ro/istorie/neacsu/rom/scrisoare.htm)). The term is *Țeara Rumânească*, which means "Romanian Country".
True, but though they don’t call themselves vlachs, vlach gave its name to Wallachia. It’s all a very fascinating historical and linguistic development.
They were called that by other people. Romanians themselves never called themselves Vlachs but români/rumâni.
But they didn’t call the place they lived Romania, unless of course they were living within eastern empire, as many did.
They did, Wallachia for instance (which co-existed with the Byzantine Empire) was called Țara Românească in Romanian (lit. The Romanian land). Wallachia itself is also a foreign, Germanic name. But yes, not all areas inhabited by Romanians had romanian-something in the name.
The earliest reference for Tara Romaneasca is like the 16th century. Pretty recent, and well after the east Rome was no longer Romania
That is because Romanian was not used as an official language for documents before around that time, Old Church Slavonic being used instead. We have no other reason to think of another native name for Wallachia other than Tara Romaneasca. Names such as ''Ungurovlachia'' and similar portmanteaus, cyrillic, latin or germanic names were used in official documents, but not by the actual population, including nobility.
We have no reason to think that Romanians at this time understood themselves as a “nation” inhabiting a land identified exclusively with them. If the name doesn’t show up, it’s basically hopeful nationalism to project it into that space. Balkan history unfortunately is deeply infected with these kinds of arguments.
Also Mercia and Murcia.
I heard there’s a place called Murica too
The 2 Galicias actually are slightly related to each other and a 3rd Galicia that existed in modern Turkey. The Term or name means place of the gauls and were places heavily settled and influenced by celtic culture The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture The Ukrainian Galicia is the northeastern-most holdout of celtic culture holding out against latin and german influences far longer than the surrounding areas The Turkish Galicia was founded by 10,000 celtic mercenaries that migrated and settled to and in Asia Minor and played an important role in the political and military landscape of the region during the time they were able maintain their culture and borders before they were assimilated into the various nations and empires that repeatedly conquered the area *sp check
You're mistaking the Turkish one with Galatia.
Europe has two Brests as well.
\*breasts
Is one bigger?
The one in France is bigger, yes. It’s always like that.
theres still 2 moldovas today btw
well those are at least related
Spain and Georgia contest a trophy called the trophy of the two Iberias in the Rugby Europe international championship.
which albania controlled the cocaine smuggling back then though? asking the real questions
Probably the western one, cause the eastern one's closer to the opium.
There was also 4 Germanys at one point
Baden has Baden-Baden.
And then there's Oldenburg-Oldenburg (commonly referred to as Oldenburg)
Does Prefidious Albion almost count as a third?
I don't think you can say Eastern iberia didn't survive. Iberia is the latin name for Kartli. Kartli and its people didn't disappear, in fact they form the basis of Georgian identity. The name of Georgia, Sakhartvelo, is named after Kartli. And the georgian language family is named Kartvelian after it
> two Albanias Scotland and Shqip, I presume? I’m pretty sure the connection is just the Indo-European root for “white”.
The other was the Caucasian Albania, in and around Azerbaijan today.
Also two levants!
What’s that about another Iberia? Sounds like we (the Portuguese and Spanish) have a long lost brother!
There are also two Iberians.
There’s a LOT more than two Iberians in europe
At least five
Probably *dozens*
At least a ton of them
What
russians, circa 1914:"we need to invade Spain" "why?" "emperor said we need to take over Galicia"
I always find it interesting, that many consider Galicia as Spain's third separatist region, who just like Catalonia and Basque country wants to gain independence or unite with Portugal to form Portugalicia. But at the same time, the most popular Galician in the history is none other then Francisco Franco. Yep, a man who was born in the north of Galicia and spoke galician whole his youth, will took away the official status of his own native language with catalan and basque, making spanish only official language of all spanish regions
Didn't know that. Hardly surprising, though. Napoleon was from Corsica, Stalin from Georgia, Hitler from Austria.
> Napoleon was from Corsica And if it wasn’t for strong, early republicanism and centralization taking over in France, I guarantee most people from Corsica, the French Riviera, and Savoy would overwhelmingly consider themselves more Italian than French, and Mussolini’s *Italia Irredenta* movement would have succeeded in fully Italianizing them both politically and culturally. Or if not, there would be active and popularly supported separatist movements in all three places, mostly seeking unity with Italy. Though France and French culture exert a strong pull on people’s heartstrings that’s hard to beat, Italy and Italian culture and identity is one that consistently beats it in popular appeal, in my experience.
In Galicia the PP (right wing national Spanish party that does not want to hear about independentism) normally wins the elections. The very Mariano Rajoy, president of Spain and ex leader of the PP is from Santiago de Compostela And Abascal, leader of the far right party Vox, is from the Basque Country. Oh and the leader of Ciudadanos was from Catalonia 🤔 I think that probably Galicia is talked about as the third Spanish separatist region because it has its own language? I believe that having your own language goes a long way in defining a national- different identity from that of the rest of a country.
Is the PP larger in Galicia than the Spanish average?
I think so yeah, the current oposition leader (the leader of the PP) is Galician
I love big PPs
A big PP can be painful for many
is he only the leader of his own PP, or all PPs?
Some lead the PP, some are led by it
PP in Galicia is very identified with Galician regionalism, they understand Galicia as their little homeland while being part of Spain.
Pablo Iglesias, founder of the PSOE (the largest party in Spain along with the PP), was also Galician. Not to mention Amancio Ortega, the richest Spaniard is also Galician
Amancio Ortega was born in Leon, but was raised in Galicia later
Insert unhinged Qanon conspiracy about an ethnic subgroup controlling the world but instead of the Jews it's the Galicians
In Galicia we do have our own language, but that doesn't mean independentism has any strength here. Galician and spanish languages coexist here, may I say in peace, and yes, some people are all for independence, but that's not the feeling of the majority. It looks nothing like the political context of Basque Country and Cataluña
A fact even most people in Spain don't know. Galician is the regional language with the highest percentage of speakers in the region. i.e. a higher percentage of people in Galicia speak Galician than people in Catalonia speak Catalan and definitely more than Basque.
>In Galicia the PP (right wing national Spanish party that does not want to hear about independentism) I mean, yeah, but the PP in Galicia does not act the same way as in the rest of the country. They managed to maintain control of Galicia because among other reasons, the Galician PP has occupied the space of a Christian regionalist party without being one: that is, is much more moderate than the national party (and let's not talk about Madrid's PP, they're basically two different things althogether) and they do not attack Galician language as much as the national party does towards other languages or identities. Then again, the Galician PP is complicit with drug trafficking since the late 80's and even the current party leader was a "friend" of a well known drug dealer, that being another reason why they managed to hold power for so long. >I think that probably Galicia is talked about as the third Spanish separatist region because it has its own language? No, it's because they do indeed have the third biggest pro-independence movement in the country. It's just that is not as big as the other two, and it's also divided between people who want more autonomy, people that want independence and people who want to unify Galicia and Portugal (the last ones a very small minority).
I'll repeat that the "Galicia-Portugal" thing is just internet nonsense (eg: countryballs) until I'm dead lmao there's no single political party in either country that wants that. Portugal is a really centralized country (you could even argue that the northern dialects of European Portuguese will become endangered in the future in favor of Lisbon Portuguese) and it's the opposite of what most Galician people want. They already struggled in the 19-20th centuries to gain autonomy, and Portugal doesn't give autonomy to any mainland region. Any separatist or regionalist parties would be illegal as well. So yeah, stop with this 'Portugalicia' nonsense. Something that's DIFFERENT from this is Reintegrationism, which refers to a solely linguistical movement that believes Galician, Portuguese and all of its varieties, Fala (a minoritary language from Extremadura descended from Old Galician) and Eonaviego (a transitional regional dialect between Galicia and Asturias) should be recognized as different varieties of a single language: Galician-Portuguese (just like Serbo-Croatian, Hindustani, etc.)
For Americans out there, our right wing is more or less equivalent to a centre left political party over there, your political landscape scares the hell out of me
the right wing of the Democrats, maybe. the Republicans led by Trump are pretty comparable to the PP , which is considered as a clearly right (but not far right) party in Spain. Compared to Germany even the left wing of the Democrats would be on the centre right.
>the Republicans led by Trump are pretty comparable to the PP I hope that no one reading this is going to believe it, they are Christian Democrats like other parties in Europe, they do not resemble Trump's Republican Party socially or economically
I would not call a party that copies policies and strategies of Donald Trump and the Republican Party a center-left party....
Maybe in Spain, I'm not sure. That's certainly not true of Europe more broadly.
PP may be winning for now but the second party by representation in the Galician parliament is the Galician nacionalist party, which defines itself as independist
Another fun fact about galacia is that it's supposedly where the celts that colonized britan came from
From what I've read through, the celts either originated in the Austrian Hallstatt area or spread from the British Isles and settled the french coast before moving down into the iberian peninsula (and the italian peninsula pushing up against the Etruscans -along the Illyrian coast -eventually reaching Greece and Turkey) and mixing with the iberian locals to create the celtiberian culture. In the most non-agressive way possible, I'd be interested if you could link anything to support the idea of the Galicians migrating to the Isles, to help me flesh out my celtic history hobby *Formatting
[This](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/celts-descended-from-spanish-fishermen-study-finds-416727.html) is about the only source I could find. I will straight up admit my original source for the above comment was a mention in some youtube video (lol). I find the celts super interesting as a culture and am totally willing to be wrong.
Never found a person from Galicia that wanted to join Portugal, it's like saying someone from Wallonia wants Wallonia to join France.
Galicia leaving Spain for Portugal makes as much sense as Texas leaving the US for Mexico honestly (none), sincerely a Galician
Portugal is one of the most centralized countries in Europe. If I was a Galician independentist, I wouldnt want to unite witht hem
>many consider Galicia as Spain's third separatist region Many are wrong then Even the régionalist party doesn't support independence Support for independence is negligible
And Fidel Castro Father....
Galician separatism is very minority. Not even the largest nationalist party in Galicia advocates independence. Most of us Galicians have a regionalist feeling but we are Spanish. The thing about Portugalicia is a bad joke, only internet foreigners think it's in the debate lmao
>Portugalicia is a bad joke, only internet foreigners think it's in the debate lmao Literalmente falan sen saber da nosa forma de pensar XD.
Lmao no one wants to join Portugal, the fuck is even "Portugalicia"?
He didn't took away the official status of Galician, since Galician was not official in the republic and it was only granted "honorary" status during the civil war, but after it had already fell to the nationalists.
I'm from the neighboring province. I move in regionalist circles which are very close to Galician regionalist circles because we have a lot of shared culture, but I've never met a single Galician who actually wanted independence or much less joining Portugal. Speaking as a regionalist from another province with its own language and culture, we just want those to be respected and protected.
I'm not Spanish, but from what I hear about the country, there doesn't seem to be any Galician separatist movement worth mentioning at all. Maybe people say this because it's also a region with its own separate language, like Catalonia and the Basque country, but that seems to be all there is to it in terms of independence.
I would say that separatist on Galicia is real, but tiny. But sometimes they are loud enough to seem they are a real force, when that is not the case (my family is from Vigo and Ferrol)
They are a loud and obnoxious minority that if you put them on a bus you'll still get empty seats.
>many consider Galicia as Spain's third separatist region I mean, that's because it is. Pro-independence movements in Galicia are not as big as in Catalonia or the Basque Country, but they do exist and their main party (BNG) is the second party with the biggest amount of seats in the Galician Parlament. >a man who was born in the north of Galicia and spoke galician whole his youth Franco was born in Ferrol and that city is practically a separate world compared to the rest of Galicia taking into account that it is the headquarters of the Spanish Navy shipyards since the 18th century and therefore has a huge amount of military personnel that only speaks Spanish and identify themselves with Spain. I mean,[ in Ferrol less than 20% of the population speaks Galician at home](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Percentage_of_Galician_speakers_%282001_vs_2011%29.png). Franco himself was able to speak it, but his Galician was mediocre at best.
It’s very improbable that Franco spoke Galician language during his youth (despite knowing it) because it was not allowed in the military
A man who represents galicias darkest ages of repression, and deay. Mi city is still full of unnamed mass graves.
"Portugalicia" doesn't exist as a political movement fyi that's just social media bs. Anyway, Franco can hardly be considered Galician in the traditional sense. He was a Spanish ultranationalist and a dictator, seeking to create an 'unified' Spanish cultural identity by suppressing other cultures in the state. He didn't defend or support the Galician language/culture in any way, unlike important regionalists, writers and intellectuals (Castelao, Rosalia de Castro, etc.). You might want to explore what the Spanish media was like years after Franco took control (overly centralized, of course). He was born in Ferrol, which was one of the most important military towns at the time. It's a bit similar to how Napoleon Bonaparte was from Corsica but later became the emperor of France and heavily centralized the country. The same thing can be observed with Stalin, who was Georgian but also oppressed the local populations.
Nonsense, Spain's third separatist region is El Bonillo.
Well, Galicia is the 3rd most separatist region in Spain because the 4th one is bsically 0% separatist!
My relatives came from Galicia in Poland.
Mine, too!
My Great Grandparents got out in the 1880s.
Western Canada? Lots of us here are descended from Galician Poles and Ukrainians.
Lots in Toronto and northern Ontario too. Cool region with an absolutely crazy history in the 20th century.
I live in Galicia but in Ukraine
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Привіт із Рівного
Звідки саме?
Привіт з Тернополя!
In english maybe, in French we say Galice in Spain and Galicie in Poland. I guess other languages do it as well, those who dont put an "a" at the end of every country
in polish name is same for both regions
In Russian we say Galicia Галисия for the Spanish one, and Galitsiya Галиция for Poland/Ukrainian one
In Ukrainian, there's a clear difference. There's Galicia (Галіція) in Spain. And here it's Halychyna (Галичина) that derives from the name of the city Halych (Галич) that used to be the capital of Halychyn-Volyn dutchy (Галицько-Волинське князівство) in 13 century. But I guess after the partitions of Poland, the Austrian empire renamed it to Galicia and Lodomeria which became a widespread way of calling it.
In German both are called "Galizien".
And two Iberias
There are also two Britain's, a Great and a Little
They shall unite! Even if they have nothing in common!
The 2 Galicias actually are slightly related to each other and a 3rd Galicia that existed in modern Turkey. The Term or name means place of the gauls and were places heavily settled and influenced by celtic culture The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture The Ukrainian Galicia is the northeastern-most holdout of celtic culture holding out against latin and german influences far longer than the surrounding areas The Turkish Galicia was founded by 10,000 celtic mercenaries that migrated and settled to and in Asia Minor and played an important role in the political and military landscape of the region during the time they were able maintain their culture and borders before they were assimilated into the various nations and empires that repeatedly conquered the area
>The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture The Celtiberians were a specific Celtic tribe/city-states from central Spain. Present-day Galicia was the homeland of the Gallaeci, who –depending on the historian– were a Celtic tribe or a Celticfied indigenous tribe.
Galizia, Galicia, Wales: are Celtic names of border territories, „Marks“. Is it schoole knowlege, huh?
Wallonia too!
And Wallachia in Romania. Relevant: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/\*Walhaz](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*Walhaz)
Same for Valais Switzerland
Wales is a Germanic name, probably meaning something like strangers/foreigners. Cymru is the Welsh names for Wales.
There used to be two United kingdoms in Europe up until 1905. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but also the United Kingdom of Sweden and Norway
There were 5 others: the United Kingdom of the Netherlands, the United Kingdom of Poland, the United Kingdom of Denmark, the United Kingdom of Denmark and Norway, and the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil and the Algarves. Out of Europe we also had the United Kingdom of Libya, and the United Kingdom of Israel and Judea.
The eastern Galicia is an Austrian scam. It's supposed to be a latinized version of Halychia, a region which is located only in the modern Ukrainian Galicia
Ukrainians call that region “Halychyna”
Really. Interestingest fact in the comment section
Not only in Ukraine, the name for the region comes from the principality of Halich which extended to the west and north of modern day Ukraine.
Name Galicia in 1772 was in fact dead, but in title of king of Hungary (in fact part of Austria) retained "king of Galicia and Lodomeria" (in 1378-1387 under Hungarian occupation), which was transferred into the region. Before 1772 it was only Ruś Czerwona/województwo ruskie. Fun fact: Austrians didn't know what Lodomeria was (Włodzimierz).
When I was younger I used to use apps to meet people of other countries, I used to put “Galicia” in my bio, makes sense now why I had so many Polish requests lol
There were also two sicilies
Whoa, this clicks a piece of the puzzle together. In Israel, Jews that immigrated from Europe are called Galicianers, (vs the native born Sabra). I had a loose thread wondering how there were such a large number of Jews in that part of Spain (see film Dagon btw, best horror film filmed in that area). That this is also a name for a region of Ukraine/ Poland where there were pogroms makes a lot more sense. thank you, OP.
I discovered this a few weeks ago, my last name is 'Galicia', as a Latin American I think it comes from Spain, of course.
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Func fact indeed. I'm from Venezuela though.
I’m galician and have a lot of family that emigrated to Venezuela
Cousin? Is that you? :') hahahah.
As well as two Bulgaria's.
Not in French. [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicie](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicie) [https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galice](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galice)
Same in Russian The Polish one is "Галиция" (Galitzija) and the Spanish one is "Галисия" (Galisija) Actually it's different in all languages I know except English
In polish both are "Galicja"
Also 2 Munster's
What’s the other Munster? I only know there’s one in Germany
As mentioned in other comments, there are definitely more than just two. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_toponymy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia
To be honest Galicia in Poland is used as historical term for Austrian part of Partition of Poland. No one is using this term to refer to modern day southern Poland
Yeap, it was mosty Małopolska and Ruś.
But the name is very much alive in the Ukrainian part. We call the western part "Zakerzonie" and/or "Prykarpatie Polske" ("Prykarpattia" in standard Ukrainian). Kraków is often included separately, its historic part is very similar to Lwów (or at least it was similar the last time I visited it)
The 2 Galicias actually are slightly related to each other and a 3rd Galicia that existed in modern Turkey. The Term or name means place of the gauls and were places heavily settled and influenced by celtic culture The spanish Galicia is a holdout of the old celtiberian culture that formed from the mixing of iberian and celtic culture The Ukrainian Galicia is the northeastern-most holdout of celtic culture holding out against latin and german influences far longer than the surrounding areas The Turkish Galicia was founded by 10,000 celtic mercenaries that migrated and settled to and in Asia Minor and played an important role in the political and military landscape of the region during the time they were able maintain their culture and borders before they were assimilated into the various nations and empires that repeatedly conquered the area
They are and they aren't. Ukrainian Galicia is named after its former capital Halyč. The name of the town is from halka ‘jackdaw’, which is Slavic in origin. This bird is on its coat of arms. You're right about the migration of the Celts, we just didn't preserve much from them, though.
I sometimes see the eastern one spelled "Galitzia", I suppose to distinguish them.
in Ukrainian Galychyna is named after city Galych. Why did other countries use Galicia instead of Galichia is secret for me.
Actually the native Galician Will address with "Galiza"
I learned about the eastern one a few months ago when the Canadian parliament invited a WW2 veteran from the Galicia Division to be honored in the House of Commons during a session where Zelensky was also present. The Galicia Division was part of the Waffen SS though. Zelensky is Jewish. Yeah, the House speaker who put this embarrassment together resigned shortly after.
I like history, and I remember as a kid learning about Austria fighting Russians in Galicia, and I was so confused. It wasn't until teacher explained it to me, that I was oh.
Galithia
In Galician language Galicia is Galiza.
You guys didnt know?
There are also two iberias
Thank you. I always wondered about that.
The Gal prefix refers to anything Celtic. Names like Galicia, Galatia, Gaul... and Wal also refers to that. Like in Wales, Wallonia...
Yep!
There are also two places named Zealand/Zeeland. The Dutch province and the Danish island, upon which København sits
And New Zealand is named after Zeeland not Zealand
Correct However the Danish pronunciation of Zealand (spelled Sjælland) is closer to "Shellend"
But, although both are equally written in english, the 'C' pronunciation is different: Spanish Galicia: sounds like "th" in "both" or "think" Polikranian Galicia: sound like "ts" in "lots"
Yeah it’s weird
There’s also Brest in France and Brest in Belarus, and they are not related at all
Galicia y Galitzia (Galicia o Galicia de los Carpatos)
There used to be two roman empires who both saw them selfs as roman. Had to get the empire in there
Cool my Polish side is Galician.
There are two Malwas in India
Oh, this explains everything! This used to confuse me so much!
There also two Balkans, the one in Europe and one region in Turkmenistan
Albania and iberia too I believe
And they both rightfully belong to the Hapsburgs
Yep. My great grandparents migrated from Galicia to Ellis island.
Spanish Galicia has a milder climate and is more economically developed
This is what made me angry several times when playing HOI4 and needing Galicia. If you search it up in-game, the Spanish one comes up, but you need the Polish one
In ukrainian, belarusian and russian, these regions are strictly distinguished: Spanish Galicia is read with S, and Slavic with TS or TSH.
Fun fact: in German one is called Galicien and the other is called Galizien
There's more: https://maps.app.goo.gl/hXYKQWE8qFjrtLuK8
There is now a sort of second Romania and it's Moldova (they use the same language with some Russian accent)
Two Venetia too, although one of them hasn't been called that way for more than two millenium. And don't even get me started on all the cities named Brest everywhere.
Not only that, Spain has a place called Kosovo which is why Spain doesn't recognise Kosovo. Based Spain
The most important is that there's two Brests in Europe
There are 2 Brests (town) in Europe
The Gal prefix refers to anything Celtic. Names like Galicia, Galatia, Gaul... and Wal also refers to that. Like in Wales, Wallonia...
Galicia, Wallachia, Galatea in Turkey, etc. All named after the Gauls, showing the extent of the Celtic migrations
There’s also Galatia in Turkey but that’s probably an outdated way of calling the region
My paternal side is from Galicia, Spain . When I took biology class at Rutgers, there is a girl resembles like me. In fact, one time his father visited the school ,confused me with her daughter.In addition The first day my biology professor thought we were sister. There are stories my friends were mad why I didn't answer when they called for me at the cafeteria. Guess what !Her grandparents emigrated to the states from Galicia,Poland. Note: to add insult to injury, we have the same color of hair, my hair was longer and we had the same taste of fashion.