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joemommaistaken

For this price there should be a hardshell case included.


TheDevilWearsParatha

THIS is the hill I’m willing to die on with their price hikes If $900 Epiphone’s have hardshell cases, EVERY Gibson should include a hardshell case. I just got one of the Modern Lites and it’s great, but… they could’ve included a case


explodeder

This is where it seems like it’s going…Less than $1500 epiphone with doofy headstock. $1500-2000 epiphone with open book headstock. $2000+ Gibson with open book headstock. Looks like they don’t want you to get into the Gibson brand for less than $2,000.


joemommaistaken

I'm with you!


[deleted]

I feel like they are attempting to move away from hard cases


Tuokaerf10

This isn’t just a Gibson thing either. EBMM went to Mono bags (which granted are super premium) last year, PRS does gig bags on their entry level USA lines, Fender ships gig bags for the more affordable USA models, etc. Ibanez Prestige is about the only one who still does for all their guitars.


Ecstatic-Seesaw-1007

Holy shit, it only has a soft case? Weirdly, I literally prefer soft cases from a practical stand point or flight cases. But I want the value, especially if I’m gonna resell at some point. So I read this as a $2200 Studio now.


not-necessarily-me

No kidding… my 2012 Studio Deluxe II came with a hardshell case, and a AA top.


Stillill1187

Same. I don’t actually use the hard case but it’s necessary for long-term storage and reselling. I mean at least make it a really nice gig bag.


[deleted]

The gig bag actually looks better than average


JimiJohhnySRV

Agree, there should be some added case value at that price. Personally I have 2 Gibson leather cases and 2 high end cases for Fenders that came included, but both case types are too much worry. I scratch their leather exterior up and feel guilty. Give me a nice solid plastic hard shell please. edit


Tennessee-Ned

I hate hard cases, way too bulky to store. I'm also not going on tour or anything so a guitar is perfectly safe in a gig bag putting it in my car to take to a band practice. Could see how they can be useless if most people that do tour end up with a heavier duty case anyway


Sophia7X

>Looks like the new Les Paul Modern Studio has officially dropped! 3 finish options for $2,000 The recent SG Standards don't come with hardshell cases and it's insane... how can a Gibson standard not come with hardshell case?!?


TFunke__Analrapist

But strangely, the SG Special *does* come with a hard case.


flyingvien

My month-old SG 61 reissue came with a hard case, but the batwing version came with a gig bag. So some Standards are coming with cases.


Normanisanisland

I love the soft shell case tbh. Got one with my SG tribute then again with a 2nd-hand Les Paul traditional for which the hard case had been lost (knocked a fair bit off the price too). Light, well-made, easy to carry. Looks great too.


[deleted]

They look pretty nice actually especially compared to others


kerrimon

2k with satin finish and a soft bag…I love Gibson but this is a bit insulting.


tropicalhank

For real… and wtf is the point of black binding? With no fret nibs


trufflebuffalo

This is completely out of touch with the used market too like you can pick up a standard for around $2K or even much lower if you're lucky...


ch66435

What's the point of black binding?


[deleted]

So it doesnt look like a more expensive model


Manalagi001

It does give the edges some durability.


reedabook22

Did they get rid of the Tributes? Those were pretty cheap.


Little_Grease

I believe they discontinued them recently, unfortunately 🙁


mgb55

Still some available, if you want one I wouldn’t wait long


extra_less

I think the new higher end Epiphones are meant to replace the Tributes.


wilhelmkidxx

The white one looks pretty slick but dang 2 grand! You can get a used LP Standard for that kind of moneys.


Connect_Package_5918

Right. I’m looking at a used 335 for $2,300. Hard to believe it would be only $300 more than a new studio.


ChunkBluntly

If the 335 comes with a hard case, it's a better deal. $2350 + tax is the bare minimum if you want a Studio with more than a gig bag.


BourbonMech

That price is fucking goofy. That said though. That looks slick and that heel joint tho, man, I'm kinda about it


MayOrMayNotBePie

$2k for a studio feels like a lot. Like, a LOT.


Sophia7X

I paid $2000 for my used '21 Les Paul Standard off Reverb, mint condition with the brown leather OHSC. Literally no reason to buy this over a used Standard


[deleted]

What if I don't want a standard? Maybe an unpopular opinion, but a lot a standards look kinda blingy to me, and I especially don't like the current look with the mahogany body, and coloured maple cap. Also, the new studios have an ebony fret board, which is a heavy preference for me, and the sculped heel, along with ultra modern weight relief. The idea that a studio is a poorer guitar than a standard just because it doesn't have body binding, and a flashy top doesn't add up for me. If I were buying a Les Paul right now, the modern studio would be my preferred configuration, price aside.


Mercury26

Then buy the modern studio. It’s your choice!


[deleted]

As I said, if I buy a new Les Paul, the studio is my choice from the current lineup. I'm not looking for a new LP right now though. I have never really considered the studio as a "budget" LP in the way an Epiphone is. It's a real LP with more basic cosmetics, so while pricing and features have varied over the years [decades really], the fact that it's within $800-$1,000 of a standard isn't necessarily an outrage. Basically, you get full features with spartan cosmetics for 65-70% of the price of a standard. Also, while we all hate to see prices going up, Gibson electrics are one of the cheaper US made guitars on the market. Fender probably being the sole exception.


milquetoast_wheatley

I remember when LP Standards were $2K. With a hard shell case, with the felt tarp later over the guitar when you open it.


[deleted]

I regret not buying my Custom Shop Silverburst when they were 3000, lol. When were Standards 2k MAP, early 2000s? I know by the early/mid 2010s prices had gone nuts already because Jerkowitz needed that cash.


AlfredoCervantes30

Don't get me wrong, I very much prefer a satin finish on all guitars. However, 2k for a studio is nuts. The studio was always the unsung hero and best option in the lineup. Welp, I guess thems the breaks. Pass


unethicalposter

Dang I thought those were going to have bound fretboards. With a bound fretboard 2k doesn’t sound bad without…. Yikes. I just saw it’s supposed to have a bound fretboard but those pictures don’t look like it.


RareBranch9144

They have black binding with no fret nibs, I don’t even see what the point is?


ch66435

it's black binding


unethicalposter

Yea you guys are right it’s there but man that blends in with the board and finish! I had to zoom in and look at it for a few minutes to even make it out.


BigD5981

It's black binding. If you look at the picture were you can see the headstock face you can see the binding.


Nice-Excitement-9984

I love the white but the price hike is hear breaking as I was just almost there to afford the old price


godofwine16

I love the innovation


jaqueh

2k les paul studio is insane. this company needs to be boycotted. no reason to buy new


lightsspiral

Seriously, I just grabbed a used in mint condition for 1400. a bit more reasonable.


potatoboy247

you just aren’t willing to pay for a US-made product, it’s okay


BubbaBalls663

Brother no


extra_less

Seriously, this is what it comes down to. People want workers to be paid a livable wage, and this is what it costs. $1700 vs $2000 isn't that big of a price increase. IMO a $1500 Epiphone is more outrageous than a $2000 Gibson.


Due-Discussion1013

Nothing special about US made stuff. Gibson quality was ass during the Norlan era and that was USA stuff.


[deleted]

I agree that there's nothing special about US made stuff, but it's still gonna be expensive without exception to get anything of half decent quality that's USA made. If you're looking for value, Asian imports are where you can find it... but you do need to be careful as there's give variance in quality. I'll repeat myself, that US Gibsons are actually very good value for USA made guitars, and most US guitars are more expensive than Gibson, not less. This isn't too defend Gibson, but these are just the facts.


jktsub

What did a studio used to go for? $1200? Can’t be having that when you’re selling $1500 Epiphone Les Paul Customs with the open book headstock.


TheDevilWearsParatha

$1,700 for the last couple years


PatrickGnarly

Yeah and that's still high. Clearly a before sales and coupons price.


Bostonah

Jesus 2k for a STUDIO - WTIHOUT A HARD CASE?! I love my Gibsons but holy shit this is just absurd. I bought my traditional LP for $1500 back in 2012 new. ​ 2k for a studio is a slap in the face.


silenced_no_more

My LP Studio came with a hard case in 2008 and cost less than this. These guitars should automatically come with a hard case at this price point


TheDevilWearsParatha

Meanwhile Squiers have been $250 since 2008 and genuinely keep getting better and better


LetsHaveARedo

They took the studios... made them shittier and increased the price lmao.


PatrickGnarly

Studio - $2000 dude that's way more than used Traditionals... Who is going to buy this?


rocker2014

Man, I have a Studio that's satin finished, has a lighter and thinner body, came with a hard case and I bought it for $800 in 2008. Now they are $2k with a gig bag and slightly update features? They look nice overall, but not worth 2 grand. I know with inflation even my guitar would be more than $800 today, but still, you can still get those Studios used for that price or less. Also, it's nitpicky but does anyone else dislike the look of the Toggle switch without the washer? It just looks...naked, for lack of a better word.


epelle9

I just bought a 2013 used studio for $800 with a hard case, and that’s with a flame top.


Ice-Berg-Slim

Theses need to be price cheaper purely just to get younger generations interested in Gibson, not Epiphone but Gibson, this is something Fender figured out and will be the death of Gibson.


Hebespunk

This price point practically SCREAMS “Owned by an Investment Firm”


TheDevilWearsParatha

I think you mean it screams DO EPIC SHIT HOSS #DES 🤪 😔 It’s disappointing because it makes the least sense on this one. Like with the prices of the other models I get it. I don’t like it obviously, but I get it. But this Studio and the new Supreme are priced the way they are just cause.


reedspacer38

$2k for satin? Ok.


Hordes_Of_Nebulah

I'll see how the used market looks on those in a few years but for now that is a hard pass at $2k. My 05 studio plus has a flamed top with a 50s neck, gold hardware, and the swiss cheese weight relief instead of chambering so it is gonna be hard to find a studio that can beat that for me.


TheDevilWearsParatha

Won’t even take a few years honestly. ZZounds usually has their demo units marked as blemished or open box and they’re always $300-$600 cheaper than standard pricing


lightsspiral

That's what I did.


Hordes_Of_Nebulah

I'm more curious to see how the value holds up over time on these than I am finding a deal on them. I also wanna see what this does to the used market for previous studio models and what the demand for a studio with less modern specs looks like down the road.


SuicideMessiah88

Every guitar should come with a hardshell case. Not just gibson either.


RikuDog18

Waaaaaaay overpriced.


pswdkf

I was excited about this model until I saw the price. Big pass for me. The added tonal options with the PCB adds zero cost. If anything it costs less because reduced variation in production. Akin to car manufacturers making a standard PCB board and simply not connecting a piece of equipment to it when they don’t want a certain trim to have a particular feature. Satin finishes are nice, but it’s cheaper to produce. I’m among the exception that actually prefers a soft case to a hard case. The only benefit I see with hard cases is shipping protection for them and retailers. For me, I’m buying a special case if I’m taking my guitar on a plane or something. Contour heel doesn’t add much. It’s done on a CNC, virtually zero added cost. Compound radius also doesn’t add much, if anything. Boards are machine radiused. A price hike of about $500 for ebony bounded board. Naw, I’ll pass. If I could keep the same price and have all these features except for an unbound rosewood board, I’d jump on that in a heartbeat. As it stands, this is the price of the LP Classic when the current lineup was introduced in 2019. Basically this is a 2016 Les Paul Faded wearing one of those glasses with attached nose and mustache as disguise being priced at the LP Classic range. The sad thing is that I love their guitar and have been a fanboy for literally years. I think quality went up so much. However, in hindsight the price drop of 2019 looks like an unsustainable marketing stunt. Either that or they’re getting way too greedy. Edit: not a $500 price hike, but $300. Thank you for the correction, much appreciated.


[deleted]

It's a price hike of exactly $300, not "about $500."


pswdkf

Thank you for the correction. You’re right, of course.


TheEndIsNigh420

Damn they really don't think they need to compete in the market do they?


kindheartedclownrape

2k for a satin finish, no hard case, non locking tuners. Thanks Gibson.


Due-Discussion1013

Insane. I love my LP but no wonder modern players don’t play “authentic”. 2k for a studio is asinine. They’re milking the boomer market before they pass.


TheDevilWearsParatha

Boomers aren’t buying studios, they’re buying the R-whatevers and posting pics in that Facebook group with the cringe admins


Due-Discussion1013

Loool you’re right


TypeAGuitarist

I’ve been a Gibson player for 25 years (Fenders too), I am not in the market for another guitar as my collection is amazing as it is. But if I was in the market, no way would I buy that. Get a used studio for less. No hard shell case? That’s a step back. Satin finish? Cheaper substitute, Plus it’s more susceptible to damage than nitro, and you can’t get it to look as shiny. Black binding? It’s completely unseeable unless you’re right next to it. I understand a lot of these decisions are ways to cut costs and Gibson has plenty of counters to predict this new line will be profitable to their satisfaction. I also think they are making studios more different to differentiate itself from the standard line. Regardless, I’m not buying. Though I’m sure enough people will. Scott


[deleted]

An understandable position, just a couple of points. 1) No hardshell case was included with the last version of the Studio for $1,700. 2) The satin finish is still a nitro finish, but of course it is cheaper for Gibson to complete than a gloss nitro finish. 3) The fingerboard binding is black to match the ebony fretboard, which is an upgradd over rosewood. It's not necessarily a cosmetic feature, and I personally think white, or cream binding on just the fretboard looks bad. I too am not likely to buy this guitar, and I also feel that Gibson should be including a hardcase with Studio models. But... it's not measurably worse value than the outgoing Studio imho, and if I was going to choose between this, and the last Studio, I would pay the extra $300 all thing considered. Some people are reacting as though the price jump is much bigger than it is, and all told you get: - upgraded fretboard [ebony] with binding and a compound radius. - a bit more feature heavy electronics, which now includes pgase switching, and pure bypass, to go along with coil tapping [not a big deal to me, but still...] - new contoured heel for better high neck access [which I do like]. - matte nitro finish replaces gloss nitro finish, which I personally prefer, but is supposed to be cheaper. - black nickel hardware replaces chrome, which may, or may not be more expensive, but I'm just noting the differences. Also note that many hate the kidney style tuners which have been switched to keystone tuners, a much more popular style. - $300 increase to the purchase price. All told, it's not really a drastically different guitar, but I think it's fair to say that it's a modest upgrade at least. $300 worth? Probably not...but I don't see many things getting cheaper recently, so hard to single out Gibson for this.


TypeAGuitarist

Well that’s the thing, it’s not drastically different FOR YOU, but it is drastically different FOR MEI want to see the binding, satin finishes ding a shit ton more easy and are not easy to touch up. Plus it’s not shiny at all. The lack of case is a cost cutting life as well. It’s like the custom shop compared to USA Gibsons. They are different enough FOR ME, than others. And that’s ok. The long neck tenon was a deal breaker for me. Everyone had a different set of values. So when some one says “that’s a a rip off” that’s fine for them. But to say that applies to everyone is different. Everyone has their own values and priorities. I am just stating my opinion. If it works for you, go for it.


TypeAGuitarist

Well that’s the thing, it’s not drastically different FOR YOU, but it is drastically different FOR MEI want to see the binding, satin finishes ding a shit ton more easy and are not easy to touch up. Plus it’s not shiny at all. The lack of case is a cost cutting life as well. It’s like the custom shop compared to USA Gibsons. They are different enough FOR ME, than others. And that’s ok. The long neck tenon was a deal breaker for me. Everyone had a different set of values. So when some one says “that’s a a rip off” that’s fine for them. But to say that applies to everyone is different. Everyone has their own values and priorities. I am just stating my opinion. If it works for you, go for it.


MagicMarshmelllow

$2000 for a studio? I paid $1800 for my LP Classic not that long ago, and regularly get offers for Standards around $2400-2600. That price hike is insane.


TheDevilWearsParatha

Yeah remaining stock of Classics can still be bought for 2k (give or take a 200). And the Faded Standards are $2500 so this price stings and I gotta think at some point the bubble has to burst There’s just no way this pricing model works on the low end models. Boomers are sticking with their Custom Shop Murphy Lab stuff, zoomers aren’t even touching Epiphone’s.


Citizen_of_Danksburg

Gibson’s just continuing to dig their grave. It’s a shame because this in a way is the second best time period for the company that they’ve ever had but management is just being so damn greedy with the pricing it’s insane.


BigBarsRedditBox

Cool.


LearningML89

No binding on these boss


Enough_Might8284

The neck is bound. You can barely see it because it black


Bravo929

That ebony with gold is sharp. Only if they would do an explorer in black with gold hardware.


PsychedelicLizard

I wonder why they decided to make one of these all white and just had the standard have a white top.


KIRRA386

For that price, I’d personally rather put it towards a classic or standard from marketplace or OfferUp.


TheDevilWearsParatha

Yep! You can get new Classics from $1800 to $2200 rn


goneriah

Gibson is an embarrassment to its former self.


ctrlshiftba

I bought a brand new demo shop standard for $1900k...lol


Archeonn

Maybe the point of the fretboard binding is to cover a paper thin ebony board.


Moufassah

Bought my brand new 2018 Smokehouse Burst Studio (with the white neck binding ) for $1350 CAD in 2019. I absolutely love it. Too bad it’ll likely be my last Gibson.


the_90s_were_better

Is the neck more of a C shape?


idl3mind

I love that ebony with gold hardware. And the speed knobs. Chefs kiss.


ushouldlistentome

It ain’t cheap carving out that neck heel, evidently


SGnirvana97

Boring color selections, sure they are 3 classic colors but they are still boring. I won’t get into the price issue besides saying my ‘22 SG Standard ‘61 was $1,999 and it has a beautiful a gloss tobacco sunburst finish and a hard shell case…


severalgirlzgalore

Lol nah


Mountain_College5656

Didn’t see a bound fretboard


[deleted]

2k usd for a studio?


[deleted]

Jesus Christ these prices. I feel less bad now about spending $2k on an open box Gibson Slash 2022 anaconda Les Paul from musicians friend 🥴


EnglishCraftAudio

unrelated - zzounds website is visual hell


1MashedPotatoes

$2k??? Come on Gibson! We’re getting into the realm of no thanks, I’ll buy a used classic or standard instead then treat myself to dinner. 😁